FRC up in arms over same-sex relationships in SWTOR

Saturday, 28th January 2012 16:31 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

The Family Research Council has taken great umbrage to the fact Star Wars: The Old Republic will eventually allow same-sex relationships in the MMO. So much so, its president, Tony Perkins, lambasted the game on a radio broadcast stating that “in a new Star Wars game, the biggest threat to the empire may be homosexual activists.”

Here’s a excerpt from the broadcast, pulled by GamePolitics, via Opposing Views:

“In a new Star Wars game, the biggest threat to the empire may be homosexual activists! Hello, I’m Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. In a galaxy not so far far away, Star Wars gamers have already gone to the dark side.

“The new video game, Star Wars: The Old Republic, has added a special feature: gay relationships. Bioware, the company that developed the game, said it’s launching a same-sex romance component to satisfy some complaints. That surprised a lot of gamers, since Bioware had made it clear in 2009 that “gay” and “lesbian” don’t exist in the Star Wars universe.

“Since the announcement, homosexuals have been celebrating the news, but parents sure aren’t. On the game’s website, there are more than 300 pages of comments–a lot of them expressing anger that their kids will be exposed to this Star Warped way of thinking.

“You can join them by logging on and speaking up. It’s time to show companies who the Force is really with!”

We’re unsure if Perkins also attacks the heterosexual love scenes in SWTOR, which as usual in a Bioware game, go to a black screen, because we’ve yet to listen to his session.

However, if you are in the mood to listen to such hate-spewing trash, by all mean do so by clicking here.



  1. LOLshock94

    those parents should get with the times those old cunts

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Stoopid_Snot

    Everybody knows that Aliens like to probe everybody and does not care about their gender :P

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Elrood

    This is fucking disgusting.


    100% behind you on that one.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. DSB

    It would be very easy to mistake that for a Christwire article.

    But I agree with mr. Christian Sexual Insecurity up there. Time has always been on the side of the people who try to keep other people from claiming their civil rights. And history has traditionally been kind to those who tried. You really showed those n****rs and k*kes, didn’t you?

    #4 3 years ago
  5. LOLshock94

    “But I agree with mr. Christian Sexual Insecurity up there.”

    #5 3 years ago
  6. GrimRita

    Wait a second. something isnt right here. The limited SWTOR game does NOT include same sex relationships and/or marriages.

    They have ‘plans’ to, like they have ‘plans’ to add other things that are missing from the game.

    Star Wars Galaxies did have same sex marriages back in 2003, so I fail to see how this is shocking. EA PR bullshit machine in action?

    PS – Love the pic..

    #6 3 years ago
  7. YoungZer0

    “Since the announcement, homosexuals have been celebrating the news, but parents sure aren’t.”

    Remember people, all parents hate gays. Even the gay parents.

    Get with the time, douchebag. Some of us actually like to have a proper democracy.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. KrazyKraut

    geez…those primitive US gov fags again…

    #8 3 years ago
  9. absolutezero

    “It’s time to show companies who the Force is really with!”

    The Force is with Jesus.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. TheWulf

    Are there really still people like this in the world?

    I suppose it’s just xenophobia rearing its head again, I guess. It seems that there are some types of person who’re unable to enjoy life without putting something down in order to do so. Of all my pet peeves, this is the one that irks me the most. Think about it, you’ll realise how true it is. Most of the time, when I get really annoyed, it’s about this.

    “I have such a substandard, shitty life. I’m going to go and pick on some gay types, or some handicapped people, or some minority ethnicities, or some goth types, or some furries just to make myself feel better. Because that’s who I am.”

    It’s usually projection regarding a lack of personal self-worth – because I find that the more self-worth a person has, the more intellectually charged they are, the more of a xenophile they are. If they feel that their own burgeoning shittiness is getting on top of them, then they’re more than likely going to express that as discrimination.

    The flavour of that discrimination doesn’t matter.

    And you can’t criticise a person’s lifestyle, after all, so it is all just discrimination. And I just tend to ask myself that, hey, if someone’s got to discriminate like this – how horrible is their life? I don’t have an easy time of it myself, being handicapped. I really don’t. But geez, you’d have to be a special kind of weak-willed, nurtured type to express your own life issues that way.

    So at the end of the day I just feel kind of sorry for them. I can’t bring myself to be angry about this.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. Stephany Nunneley

    @6 Ah so it sin’t in there just yet. Thanks Grim. I added the word “eventually” in there to be clearer.

    I remember the hoopla over this on the SWTOR forums resulting in a removal of the thread like most things that are considered “out of hand” by the forum bosses. I also remember the backtracking on the subject and the studio saying it would be added post launch – so I assumed by all the hate being spewed it was in there already.

    Considering I stopped playing the game, I didn’t really notice. But I suppose it would have been “front page news” once it had been added. Like a same-sex relationship option being added to a game is still something that everyone should make a big deal over – (sarcasm, not bitchiness, intended). It’s old hat by now.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. DSB

    This would really have added a whole new dimension to WoW back when I was playing.

    We had a former GM who was a really softspoken, non-authoritative type who would always take the most bitch-like view of anything we discussed, so my whole thing was calling him “Gay” “Gayfag” or “Bitch” at every possible opportunity.

    It would’ve been so much better if I could’ve spammed him with marriage invites while doing it.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. TheWulf


    I can kind of see that. It’s the lack of inclusion that it’s fair enough to make a big deal over because the inequality of it is shitty. So it makes sense to cover that because it proves that videogames are really still in the dark ages, sometimes.

    You know, compared to even comic books, we’re still in the dark ages. Are you familiar with Jean-Paul Beaubier? Northstar by his superhero name. His story is old now, but back in the day he was a breath of fresh air, he was brilliantly written, and his story was mainstream comics writers and publishers saying that they’re open-minded, consequences be damned.

    And as Jean-Paul went on, his character acquired more and more depth, he ended up becoming one of the more interesting characters in the Marvel Universe. And this was a long, long time ago.

    It’s a big deal to cover inequality since, really, inequality is such a old issue that it doesn’t even matter to television, film, books, or even comic books any more. It only seems to apply to games – and not because of discrimination, perhaps, but because of cheap developers. But it’s something that should be spoken up about just because of how ridiculous not allowing equality is in this day and age.

    But once that has been won? There’s not much point in covering it or making a big deal about it because it’s something that should have been there in the first place. It’s like praising someone and thanking them for getting off their arse and finally fixing/doing something they should have done a long while ago. (Since this should have been present at release.)

    #13 3 years ago
  14. TheWulf


    That’s not so bad. I’m soft spoken, I have a high-pitched voice, and I’m Welsh. I get named Pippin by people in MMOs. In many MMOs my official guild rank has been ‘Pippin.’

    I will do terrible things to them. One of these days.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. GrimRita

    @11 – no worries. SWG has same sex marriages from day 1 so I just cant see why some ‘council’ would be up in arms now.

    And yes, you are spot on. The forum ban bots were out in force over this, in typical ‘lets over react’ fashion.

    I was in LA just before Xmas and I was shocked at how backward the USA can be/still is – even with those running for elections, making a big deal over a trival matter – when they clearly have much tougher things to deal with.

    Its about time the US pulled themselves out of the dark ages

    #15 3 years ago
  16. Stephany Nunneley

    @13 I suppose you are right. I guess I just feel being able to have a same-sex relationship in a game isn’t headline news because of my personal feelings on the matter. It isn’t a big deal to me because to me it is the norm (which is not how most “older” people feel in my region of the country). People love who they love and that is that – nothing unusual about it. Unfortunately, not everyone feels this way – so you’re absolutely correct: until it “has been won” it’s worth the headline. xxxoo

    #16 3 years ago
  17. KrazyKraut

    I understand that most ppl on the planet are hetero…okay. But a RPG is what it is: a ROLE-PLAYING-GAME. And when someone wants to play a role….okay. To be gay or straight is not a role, its a natural, sexual orientation. I really dont get it why those parents cry like that. Oh yes…its written in the Bible…

    #17 3 years ago
  18. DSB

    @14 Well, since you’re welsh, I would’ve gone with sheep jokes. Your rank would be Timmy Time.

    @15 I guess it depends where you visit. I spend my time in the South, and I always feel like the reverse is in effect when I come home to Europe.

    I come home to people complaining about the smallest things while they have high pay, powerful unions, free healthcare and education. In the southern US people are more concerned about just keeping their job, feeding their kids and paying for gas. Going to the doctor and educating their kids is a luxury they often can’t afford.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. TheWulf

    @16 (Whoops, got the number wrong!)

    Yeah, I don’t think it’s worth rubbing it in their faces.

    The victory isn’t a huge one. The victory is more of an intellectual one, and it’s a victory against inequality, but it’s not something that should be sung or praised about. It was a change made to this world of ours, for the more fair, and we have a game now expressing fairness.

    But shouldn’t that game have been expressing fairness in the first place? If we make a big deal about same-sex marriages being added in an ex-post facto way, then we’re just encouraging developers to release games with straight options only, and then to add gay options later, because this results in more advertising. Sure, there might be a negative PR burst at first, but then you have all the sites praising it later.

    I don’t think it should work that way. I think it should be mentioned as a surprised note if a game is released that way, you know, ‘hey, look, this game isn’t stuck in the dark ages!’ But beyond that? It’s not something that we should make a big deal about unless the inequality is obvious.

    So I agree with making a big deal about the lack of inequality there, but I also agree with not making a big deal about the victory. That might not make a lot of sense, but it’s how I feel.

    I just don’t want to encourage future developers that this is an okay thing to do. In future, if you’re going to add relationship options, then do it right and just remove the barriers from the start. In this day and age you shouldn’t be having barriers in that area anyway. And frankly. Frankly? A good portion of their audience isn’t going to be straight, anyway.

    I’m not just talking homosexual people here, but bisexual, transgender, and pansexual people included. All of them benefit from these barriers being removed. But the game should be built that way.

    It shouldn’t be praised for adding it as an afterthought.

    “Fine, you did it, finally. Do a better job next time.”

    That’s my sentiment, and it may be harsh but I also think it’s fair. Because like I said, it’s not like their entire audience is straight these days. And honestly, I think I’d prefer to just see relationships left out of games because the whole thing opens a can of worms.

    Or you could just do it like Bethesda did and homogenise the whole thing.

    I admit, that leads to some pretty great feats of hilarity.

    So yeah, I married Sinding in Skyrim and I’m greeted with “I never thought I’d see you again.” every time I come home.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. TheWulf


    The sheep. Always the sheep.

    I’m really glad that the rest of the world doesn’t know about that.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. TheWulf


    Gods, so much typing!

    That’s actually a good point! It’s kind of silly to insinuate that all straight people are closed minded. You can be facetious about it, but it’s not the case. I know one guy who’s… well, completely depraved in utterly entertaining ways. His personality is bizarre, eclectic, and eccentric.

    I really value his friendship. I like open-minded people, and he just has this laid-back attitude regarding everything. You just can’t razz him at all, you can’t shake him. You can change the conversation to joke vore in an entirely facetious way, but it just doesn’t get him. Nothing does. I’m incredibly entertained by him.

    He’s really a bit of a role model for open-mindedness for me.

    I hope he doesn’t read VG247. So awkward.

    Anyway, what I’m saying is that that’s a fair point. I could totally see an open-minded person playing things from different viewpoints. Hell, I can see a straight person playing a straight relationship from the female perspective really easily. I have no trouble seeing that. I think that this is something that happens all the time.

    So yeah.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. TheWulf

    Also, awesome conversation is awesome.


    Let’s see if I missed anything I can still poke before deciding not to type anything more.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. TheWulf


    That’s not entirely fair.

    I’ve met some pretty closed-minded people over here in Britain, but the friend I’ve just described above who isn’t shaken by anything is American. In fact, he’s Texan. ALL YOUR STEREOTYPES ARE DEAD, HA!

    It really doesn’t matter. I know that there are some places in the world where there are concentrations of people like this, but it’s usually just crazed towns here and there who tends to ‘speak with the voice of the state’ or whatever. They don’t reflect the views of their state, and definitely not the views of America as a whole. (America is a huge place!)

    It’s just the squeaky wheel, you know? The squeaky wheel gets more oil. The more noise they make, the more attention they get, even if they only account for an infinitesimal amount of their state’s population.

    Same over here, too.

    I mean, discrimination is everywhere. It takes all sorts, and you basically have to take things on a person to person basis. I know it’s easy to lash out because I’ve done it in the past, but you really have to hold yourself back from doing it, because logically it’s just not true.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. TheOutcastWolf

    People like you that make the world be shittier, saying that something is wrong and horrible and that everyone is going to hell just because it’s different than your patterns.
    In real life it happens all the time, and like @17 said (in other words), why the f*ck not it cannot happen in a ROLE-PLAYING GAME?
    This also happened when Mass Effect came out and NOTHING happened besides tons of idiots like President I-Hate-You-All from Everyone-Is-Gonna-Suffer Club being sued for obvious reasons and Bioware getting even more money.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. TheWulf

    ‘kay. Shutting up now. :P

    #25 3 years ago
  26. burrsalem

    Kudos to Bioware.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Virginityrocks

    Uh oh. Looks like Jesus is at it again!

    #27 3 years ago
  28. silkvg247

    Wish he lived in the UK, I’d have the cops beating down his door for inciting hate crime.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. minxamo

    They also have inter-species sex in mass effect (and presumably TOR), which is comparable to bestiality.
    Why is nobody complaining about that?

    Fucking Hepler…

    #29 3 years ago
  30. speedxl01

    Thank you Bioware for being inclusive!

    #30 3 years ago
  31. Paladin_Rage

    Well, this is good news for the straight guys who would like to jack off to some interspecies lesbians in the galaxy far, far away.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Hunam

    I like the fact that the guy says the biggest threat to the Empire is homosexuality. Clearly that guy likes to roll darkside points with the evil faction. The torture and slavery stuff seems perfectly fine with him I guess.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. freedoms_stain

    With every passing year the ranks of these small minded fools thin out. I only hope that I get to see them extinct by the time I’m gone. Until then I’m sure they’ll continue to make arses of themselves with this sort of increasingly irrelevant bullshit on the public stage.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. HeavyD-Love

    Only 2 mentions of Skyrim in all these comments? Skyrim has same sex marriages and I definitely commend Bethesda for this. These anti same sex marriage people are ancient history.

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Noodlemanny

    Fuck My Life. Fuck all our lives.
    Are some of us really so incompetent that can we warp things like this into things that we say actually matter in any way?
    Seriously aliens would have every right to totally annihilate us from the solar system. Rage face.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Kabby

    Pretty sure Darth Baras is gay.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. OrbitMonkey

    So some random guy gets bent out of shape over Biowares lesbian aliens for teenage boys schtick and the internet goes into *right on* rage mode?

    Predictable ;-)

    #37 3 years ago

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