Quick Quotes: Randy Pitchford on DNF sales

Friday, 17th June 2011 17:56 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

“With sales data, It seems like customers love Duke. I guess sometimes we want greasy hamburgers instead of caviar…” – Randy Pitchford on Twitter, discussing how well Duke Nukem Forever is doing at retail.



  1. BULArmy

    I like DNF, yes it is flawed and I think they coud have done better.(not this 2 slot weapon shit, more enemies at time, no healt-ego regen)but it is something we totally forgot as an experience. Old-school shoot and run ,insted of the unrealistic shoot and run that is trying to be realistic in modern shooters. I prefer that to the next COD. And yes it have some very lame level-design and other bad things and get 2/10 but for the same thing MW2 got 9/10…

    #1 3 years ago
  2. DSB

    I think he makes an excellent point.

    Most of the people railing against DNF are either going on secondhand info or the demo, which was really not the best way to show off the game.

    It does feel ancient in every way, but it’s 100% Duke, and personally I feel just as entertained playing it as I did playing the original games back in the 90′s.

    For anyone who didn’t, the full price obviously isn’t worth it. To me it’s a bit like playing Half-Life 2, if that was put out today. It’s ancient, but it’s still good company.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. DuckOfDestiny

    Now I liked the game, but I had to facepalm when I read this.

    Maybe he should take a look at the reviews, or the forums before he continues. Or quite possibly he’s in denial.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Talkar

    I really enjoyed DNF!

    @3 Just because the whiners are the loudest, doesn’t mean they are the majority. They could be 3% of the buyers for that matter.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. DSB

    @4 You can count on it.

    It’s the same with CoD, or Portal 2. If something is worth something to someone, then it’s gotta be worth hating to everybody else.

    It certainly seems to affect peoples hemorrhoids in a negative way once you reach a certain degree of exposure, or sales.

    Not that there is such a thing as an ultimate opinion, but once people start mobbing on something like that, usually being part of the mob becomes the drive, more than whatever it’s against.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. DaMan

    Defensive people. They’re intriguing.

    yesterday they were saying how Cod is a masterpiece based on the ‘fact’ that ‘all reviewers’ think that way as well as the multimillion sales.. only to later state how all DnF whiners base their opinion on something others said.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. DSB

    I don’t recall saying that the reviewers were categorically wrong at any point. I think there’s a huge difference between those who review it as a piece of nostalgia, and those who review it, as if it’s a product that was ever supposed to compete with todays games market.

    It’s quite obvious looking at this site, that most of the people railing against the game are either going on the demo, or secondhand information. Have they played it? You have four people in this comment section who have, and enjoyed themselves.

    I fail to see the huge gap in consistency, there.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. The_Red

    I hope the game sells really well because this game is awesome. It has serious flaws but most of critics are mostly criticizing the game for its offensive content which in my opinion is really fun. Some reviewers did solely rely on game’s mean weaknesses but sadly majority of them (wrongfully) focused on stuff that “They” deemed offensive and misogynistic.

    They say the game has gone too far but that’s exactly the same idiotic and bullshit attitude that a lot of people had around the time original Mortal Kombat and DK3D were out. The game was offensive back than but is really tame now. Duke HAS to push the boundaries.
    Yes, Duke Nukem Forever is disappointing in many areas of design but it’s beyond awesome in many other and more “offensive” aspects.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. DaMan

    Firstly, people are entitled to review the game both ways. saying that the game is shit because it holds little to no value as something except nostalgic experience is as much of a valid point to justify not spending the money as saying that you should waste your bucks and time on it for the good old memories. It’s quite depressing that you even argue that. Perhaps the reviewers feel as that the nostalgic factor isn’t enough to justify a purchase of this (dated) game?

    But that’s beside the point.

    What I meant is how you, among others, referenced reviews as very much valid if not deciding factors in arguing about how good the game is when now stating how it’s wrong to pre-judge it based on others’ opinions. Surely that way it’s asinine to make a decision based on ‘second hand ‘ information from Metacritic, no? Is it only asinine when it comes to games you like? Or there’re no two ways to review CoD?

    Also, I do think that if you make a demo, and it’s shit, then you’re at fault for making me not purchasing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if you even argue that though of course.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. DSB

    @9 You’re really off on a tangent here. Talk about being defensive :P

    I at no point said that the reviews are wrong, in fact I quite clearly established the opposite in my last post. They’re perfectly valid, so long as they render an honest representation of what they review.

    Take the Rock, Paper, Shotgun review as a case and point, which somehow manages to include the writers own sensibilities about women, as somehow being relevant to the game. Something that also happened a lot to a game like The Witcher. That has nothing to do with rendering criticism, that’s just putting your own values above the material you’re covering. Fox News journalism if you will.

    Once you cross that line, then it’s not about the game, it’s about who you are as a person, and personally I find that completely irrelevant when I’m looking to read a games review.

    I never relied on any review to formulate my own opinion of a game, so I don’t see how your little rant at the end in any way concerns me. If the reviews support my point of view, then I’m likely to explain why they might, and if they don’t, then I’m likely to explain why they might not. I actually played the game, and I have no problem outlining why I like it, or where people might be missing something in regards to it.

    I tend to get defensive a lot, when people talk rubbish, because I feel like someone has to. If people get hysterical about Activision, when they’re really just copying a business model invented by EA, then I think people are missing something. It’s not that one is better than the other, it’s that neither one is.

    Likewise, if people are getting hysterical about CoD, and their main argument is that basic features of the game, which are equal to everyone, somehow constitute cheating, then again I feel that they might be missing something.

    Portal 2 is perhaps the best case of it happening. People who hadn’t even played the game were railing against it on the false assumption that it was 6 hours long. They hadn’t played the game, and they didn’t consider whether those 6 hours were enjoyable or not, they were quite content just spouting nonsense based on something they hadn’t even touched.

    If people simply don’t like something, then there’s nothing to say to that. Opinions are fine. Nonsense deserves to be challenged, on the other hand.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. DaMan

    Rant? I was questioning you logic, Dsb, based on your previous post in here, you really do get personal way too much; when was the last time you got laid, hmm? For the record no I don’t really mind how this one turned out, like I said your previous comment just came across as I described.

    Anyway, that is fair enough, if I think the game is shit and reference reviewers who didn’t whine about sexist stuff then it’s as much of an opinion as you enjoying it. Thanks for elaborating.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. DSB

    Are you offering me a shag?

    Really, I wasn’t trying to get personal, and I don’t particularly like to write about myself, but I’m more than happy to outline whatever it is I think, if people want me to, and you did jump down my throat.

    There’s nothing that says you have to agree with me or aknowledge anything I say.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. DaMan

    Uh. No.

    Sorry, dear.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. DSB

    Your text says no, but your ass says yes.

    Do you see where that got you? Don’t talk about my current lack of pussy.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. DaMan

    See? :)

    So, like I was saying, when was the last one?

    Now that you mention, pussy? Quite the opposite. I do think you’re a dick.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. AHA-Lambda

    yea cos everyone that bought the game clearly loved it -_-

    this is more analogous to a decent burger being compared to an out of date and undercooked, sloppy mess

    #16 3 years ago
  17. DSB

    22 days :( I reckon you can go without pussy for roughly 8 days before turning gay.

    I fell in love the last time I was in the US, and now we’re doing the back and forth thing. Distance-to-pussy is no joke.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. DaMan

    Thanks for proving my point.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. DSB

    You DaMan.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. DaMan

    Back to DNF now. How much would you guys who played the game and enjoyed suggest paying for it? Rent it? Wait for a price drop?

    #20 3 years ago
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    #21 3 years ago
  22. DSB

    Depends totally on what you think you’re getting. If you aren’t fond of the old ones, and you don’t want to bother with vintage game design, then I’d say 15 euro.

    Personally I think it’s cute to see things like basic physics puzzles and platforming in a shooter. Who would ever dream of putting something like that into a game today?

    On the other hand you also have less memorable stuff like creature closets delivering waves of enemies.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Phoenixblight

    “Personally I think it’s cute to see things like basic physics puzzles and platforming in a shooter. Who would ever dream of putting something like that into a game today?”

    Crysis 2 did that.


    I have played the demo and I have rented it for 2$ from Redbox out here. If you are going for Nostalgia then its Ok game even compared to Duke 3D its looks pretty but thats all it has going for it is its Nostalgia. If I were to even consider buying it would have to be through steam when its 75% off.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. Freek

    You don’t have to compare it to COD to see that it is a bad game. You can simply compare it to itself: Duke Nukem 3D. A better game.

    Remember all the secrets you could find? Remember all the different ways to play a level that opened up? You could get powerups and jetpacks in unexpected places and really have fun with it. It rewarded you for exploring. Non of that is in DNF. It’s just dull and poorly designed. A series of boring corridors as linear as any modern shooter, just not as good.
    There’s sometimes a hint of an interesting idea; such as the kitchen level in the Duke Burger, but it’s all far too poorly made to be truly fun.

    The humor doesn’t work either. It’s way too obnoxiouse and self indulgent. And he even gets the movie quotes wrong, how is that funny?

    The weapons? Okay-ish but non of them have any flair or punch to them, with the exception of the shotgun. This comming from a game that used to be known for it’s great weapon design.

    This isn’t retro fun, it’s just bad. Compared to Half Life, Unreal, Painkiller, you know old school shooters, DNF simply doesn’t hold up at all.
    You can see where it got it’s ideas but it doesn’t do them any justice.
    It’s a rushed, under produced game that sold on the basis of hype, curiousity and an intrest in the character.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. DSB

    Well, it’s missing the options, but there are still a few hidden zones, and it does have it’s surprising moments, like shooting down the blimp and what not.

    Personally I didn’t think that the “spider web” designs of old games was anything to really cherish. I don’t miss running around samey-looking halls looking for that one door I have the key to.

    Exploration needs to be justified in my opinion, corridors do keep the game moving.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. DarkElfa

    I thought it was awful. So awful in fact that I uninstalled it after 20 minutes.

    The dialogue wasn’t clever. The graphics were circa-2005. The gameplay was atrocious. I’ve never had less fun shooting something in my life.

    It was so awful, people who pirated it should get their money back.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. jacobvandy

    After 20 minutes, you’re barely out of the introductory (fake) first level, let alone the ACTUAL tutorial. GJ on the close-mindedness.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Gigabomber

    I love gearbox for the same reason I love volition: they have a mentality that brings fun to the table even if they botch it on occasion. I am going to bring Duke over to my buddies house today, but I am going to make sure to blaze through the first hour and a half because it is just plain boring.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Phoenixblight


    This is not Gearbox’s work this is 3d Realms work that Gearbox worked on to make it playable.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. xino

    3 stanza lines and you call this news!?

    wtf O_o

    #30 3 years ago

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