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Sweeney: Games to achieve complete graphical realism in “10-15 years”

Monday, 25th May 2009 21:09 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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Epic tech legend Tim Sweeney’s told Gama that absolute graphical realism is games is a mere decade away. Well, a decade and a bit.

“There are two parts to the graphical problem,” he said when asked if games would ever achieve a “100%” movie-like quality.

“Number one, there are all those problems that are just a matter of brute force computing power: so completely realistic lighting with real-time radiosity, perfectly anti-aliased graphics, and movie-quality static scenes and motion.

“We’re only about a factor of a thousand off from achieving all that in real-time without sacrifices. So we’ll certainly see that happen in our lifetimes; it’s just a result of Moore’s Law. Probably 10-15 years for that stuff, which isn’t far at all. Which is scary — we’ll be able to saturate our visual systems with realistic graphics at that point.”

The second issue, however, isn’t so easy to fix.

“But there’s another problem in graphics that’s not as easily solvable,” Sweeney added.

“It’s anything that requires simulating human intelligence or behavior: animation, character movement, interaction with characters, and conversations with characters. They’re really cheesy in games now.

“A state-of-the-art game like the latest Half-Life expansion from Valve, Gears of War, or Bungie’s stuff is extraordinarily unrealistic compared to a human actor in a human movie, just because of the really fine nuances of human behavior.”

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21 Comments

  1. anasui

    and there will still be framerate problems

    #1 6 years ago
  2. Daodan

    Well if I have to believe all these guys, we’re headed for some pretty smashing innovations. Absolute realism virtual reality. Wowwaitwut.

    #2 6 years ago
  3. freedoms_stain

    How many people really want 100% graphical realism? Visual style is often one of the most interesting factors of gaming.

    #3 6 years ago
  4. David

    I do not want to play a first person shooter were the people I’m fighting against look 100% human. How would someone cope with that ?

    I personally couldn’t cope with seeing such a thing I like my games to have a bigger than life feel and not to be 100% realistic.

    #4 6 years ago
  5. freedoms_stain

    Never seen a movie David? What does it matter if you watch a movie character taking a shotgun blast to the nads or if you personally press the X button to blow off said nads?

    The difference is you know it’s coming when it’s you doing the, er, nad blowing.

    #5 6 years ago
  6. ashers2ashers

    Personally can only see 100% realism as an improvement, so would be awesome.
    Although I do agree with freedoms_stalin, but games will still be able to retain visual style, look at films like sin city for example.

    Naturally there would be options to edit out experiences that some people may not be able to cope with; and surely this more realistic simulation will make the “blame-the-game” campaign gain a few column inches the next time someone plays an FPS and proceeds to kill dozens of people when these new, ultra-realistic graphics come in. And sure, I reckon it actually would make someone more likely to kill/steal etc., as they would have been doing it virtually already, and becoming desensitized to it even more so than the media tries to blame current video games for being able to do.

    Either way, I reckon it would be a good thing.
    Worlds overpopulated anyways. ;)

    #6 6 years ago
  7. blackdreamhunk

    this like old news for pc gamers, here check this out :0 even onlinve is cool to when comes to the power of graphics.

    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece

    #7 6 years ago
  8. David

    “Never seen a movie David? What does it matter if you watch a movie character taking a shotgun blast to the nads or if you personally press the X button to blow off said nads?”

    because your the one actually doing it, a movie is a passive experience. If you can sit there and tell me you would be fine blowing off the head of a game character that looked as real as your next door neighbor then good for you but I’m not into that kind of stuff.

    #8 6 years ago
  9. blackdreamhunk

    not all games are about blowing people up. There is sport games and other types of games on the pc. Oh wait your a console gamer you don’t know that, your use to your mindless button mashing games. Any way, yea pc gaming is years a head check out onlive and project offset. Project offset is an Intel game project for pc gamers only :)

    http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/44654/PC/Crysis/Trailer/OnLive-Genefier-Movie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkoi6WCCJHY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkWKBmUCTQ

    It’s only for the pc,it’s really great to be a pc gamer. Pc gamers knew about these tech for years. It’s only console gamers findng this out.

    there more cuting edge games coming to the pc too. Not just crysis by the way!Oh Intel is getting into the soft ware business for pc gaming just a few big companies are.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/25/technology/business-computing/25soft.html?ref=technology

    #9 6 years ago
  10. David

    wow great generalization of a person you don’t even know. I play on pc just as much as my console my point is that I prefer games that make things bigger than life and the graphics are stylized I’m not a fan of ultra realistic graphics and never will be.

    Also couldn’t give a rats ass about sports titles I hate all sports anyway.

    #10 6 years ago
  11. blackdreamhunk

    well then you must not know all your genres, you must be really new to pc gaming then. A seasoned pc gamer would have never ever said such thing as you did. had I recommed try playing other types of pc games other than the over hyped consoles ports.

    Here is a really good pc gaming list right here :)
    http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2009/

    upgrading and getting powerful systems has been a way of life for pc gamers.

    http://vator.tv/news/show/2009-04-10-raptr-founder-on-the-evolution-of-gaming

    http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/04/20/how-pc-gaming-helps-shape-the-future-of-computing/

    http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,659651/Gaming-Special-The-biggest-hardware-devourers-of-their-times/Knowledge/

    #11 6 years ago
  12. freedoms_stain

    “you would be fine blowing off the head of a game character that looked as real as your next door neighbor”

    Course I would, it’s not real, that’s the point. It’s about having strength of mind to distinguish real from not real. The game censorship movement would love to get their hands on comments like yours, fuel for their fire “gamers are having trouble distinguishing reality – they’re all gonna go FPS-nuts and shoot up schools!”

    #12 6 years ago
  13. David

    I don’t have trouble distinguishing anything I just don’t see any fun in playing games that are realistic. I’ve played games for most of my life 21 to be precise and the games I’ve had the most fun on are the ones that are far from realistic in regards to gameplay or attempts at graphical realism.

    Its got nothing to do with censorship I just have no love or wanting to play games were I’m fighting against character that look realistic. Its not my kind of taste in games

    #13 6 years ago
  14. The_Deleted

    It’s quite sad that with all the things we could achieve with games as far as the imagination goes that we just want everything to look like real life.
    It says a lot about arrogance of the human condition and the death of the imagination.

    #14 6 years ago
  15. blackdreamhunk

    check out dragon flash point.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMlb5yLRks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjCgNC4gNG8&feature=related

    http://www.videogamer.com/pc/operation_flashpoint_2/news/operation_flashpoint_2_needs_ego.html

    there alot more games that will be cuting edge on the pc.
    like

    doom 4

    alan wake

    Deus Ex 3

    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-teaser-deus-ex-3/28355

    http://www.destructoid.com/deus-ex-3-designer-says-original-slow-console-versions-won-t-be-dumbed-down-108727.phtml

    thief 4

    http://pc.ign.com/articles/982/982148p1.html
    and few other games can’t remeber them all, there was some game devs who said they can out do crytek for high end gaming.

    #15 6 years ago
  16. blackdreamhunk

    Oh here is the link with pc gaming time line

    http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,659651/Gaming-Special-The-biggest-hardware-devourers-of-their-times/Knowledge/

    here is a link with other game devs talking about pc gaming graphics getting better or realism on game spot

    http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myst/video/6100983/special-feature-graphics–then-and-now?tag=videos;img;1

    #16 6 years ago
  17. ecu

    It’s quite sad that with all the things we could achieve with games as far as the imagination goes that we just want everything to look like real life.
    It says a lot about arrogance of the human condition and the death of the imagination.

    Don’t know why, whenever this comes up, people claim they don’t want it. Why not? Graphical realism isn’t at the expense of brilliant and varied game worlds. The extra graphical power gives unlimited potential, so it’s a good thing. If we achieve 100% realism, do you really think that every game is suddenly going to look like that? Of course they won’t.

    As for this prediction – I can’t see it happening. We’re going to hit a brick wall, I reckon. Just like we have with CGI for films, and we’re back again to that uncanny valley. For true realism I think it’s going to require a totally new way of looking how games are made.

    #17 6 years ago
  18. The_Deleted

    Don’t know why, whenever this comes up, people claim they don’t want it. Why not? Graphical realism isn’t at the expense of brilliant and varied game worlds.

    Very true, ofcourse. I was making a blanket statement and blindly giving into my arrogant train of though.

    There is no reason we shouldn’t want ‘real’ graphics but my point was that that it is all Western developers seem to do just ‘cus they can. With no attempt to go a bit crazy when it comes to game design.

    #18 6 years ago
  19. Dannybuoy

    of course we all want graphical realism.. anyone that says they’re not bothered are just lying, or trying to be different for the sake of it.. As soon as we have graphics on par with the visuals of big budget films it going to be an amazing time!

    #19 6 years ago
  20. endgame

    david i’m at about your second comment, but this is getting so childish that i’m not even going to bother reading the others. u need to grow up! acting like a kid, or not being able to tell reality from games.. that’s sad. if we would have to fight in a real life war, or in a virtual one, u’r the last person i would like to stand beside. the word p***y comes to mind now. heh, i bet u’r damn gd at shooters, or anything at all with that attitude. nooot!

    as for visual styles, i’m loving those (tf2 is my fav shooter atm, until mw2 gets released) but i’m also loving games that look close to reality, like crysis. there’s nothing wrong with games achieving complete graphical realism. after all, we’r humans, and there’s nothing that we can’t do. we just need to want to do it.

    #20 6 years ago
  21. blackdreamhunk

    Here check this indei game dev’s engine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCzDKj3hjOE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibZZRDIhtVo

    there is a number of high powered graphic games coming to the pc. It’s not just cryteck by the way. They are not the only ones.

    #21 6 years ago

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