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Games developers really kicked Kinect when it was down this week

Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:56 GMT By Matt Martin

It’s not been a great week for Microsoft. Pulling Kinect from the Xbox One was seen as the final u-turn for a games consoles that’s been chasing its own tail almost since it was first revealed.

We know games players, fanboys and the press were happy to take a dig at another climb-down from the Xbox corporation, but you’d expect a little more solidarity from games developers. Wouldn’t you?

George Broussard (Duke Nukem) got straight to the point.

Rami Ismail (Ridiculous fishing, Luftrausers) went for the burn…

But he did make a good point about indie development.

We’re not entirely sure what point David Jaffe (Twisted Metal, God of War) was making, or whether a 13 year-old fanboy had taken over his account briefly.

Ben Cousins (Battlefield F2P, The Drowning, ) offered some smug historical insight.

Dan Marshall (Time, Gentlemen Please!) injected a little British humour.

While Devolver Digital’s fictional CFO Fork Parker was only thinking of the children…

…he may have also hit the nail on the head.

Dropping Kinect wasn’t a surprise to some people blessed with foresight, as noted by Ed Boon (Mortal Kombat).

And after all this, what does Kudo Tsunoda, creative director of the original Kinect 1.0 think? Oh, that’s right, he’s not been very active for a while… maybe he’s still playing those games?

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16 Comments

  1. DeVitowned

    Haha Damn. I guess Nintendo is no longer the butt end of the joke.

    #1 10 months ago
  2. Joe Musashi

    Vlambeer. So salty. Glorious.

    JM

    #2 10 months ago
  3. Doppleganger

    If there was the option on day one I would still buy the kinect as for having a home theatre it’s absolutly amazing. It’s just awful and useless for games, that’s all.
    I just want a disc less version as I’m all digital on this console and my optical drive is pretty much a virgin. Damn stupid consumers for destroying the xbox one.

    #3 10 months ago
  4. Sethos

    Good. Kinect is shit for kids, don’t shuv’ it down our throats.

    #4 10 months ago
  5. DjCowHerder

    Thank goodness. Now with this out the way, Roll on Halo 5.

    #5 10 months ago
  6. fearmonkey

    Wow……. the Xbox One such a historic fiasco, truly one for the history books. The sad fact is that they spent all this time, effort, and development money on features that they had to completely walk back on. A group of designers, devs and QA worked on the DRM implementation, probably a ton of executive meetings just on that alone. Now they are walking back on included Kinect, when that was supposedly too important on the Xbone to remove, too integral to be without. The designed it’s audio processor and other silicone inside the Xbox especially for the Kinect, and now it’s being relegated to just another peripheral.

    In short, they made the GPU less powerful because they spent their silicone money to support Kinect, which now will not be included with the system. Essentially turning the Xbox One into a 360 in features, and competing for the same price with the PS4 which was built as a gaming device primarily and has much better ram and GPU.

    Why would anyone hire Don Mattrick after this fiasco? I am thinking Zynga will not survive his management. Don walked in and took over the reigns from the people who got the 360 and Xbox brand going, and took the glory from it becoming successfull, but it wasnt his leadership that did it.. Now the real fruits of his decisions and labor show and he almost ruined the Xbox brand name.

    I am betting the Xbox rebounds with the $399 cost, and it might even overtake PS4 as the top console in the US again. But the PS4 is going to be the big system this gen.

    #6 10 months ago
  7. jonnymelamet

    Here is a thought.

    I understand that developers work hard to program games etc, but sometimes you have to learn how to adapt to new technology. It is their job to make it great.

    If the peopel building software for a device say it is shit, then the software coming out for teh device will be shit. It is time for some of these developers to get their head out of their arses.

    The games market will die without an influx of new technology and I haev already mentioned here multiple time reasons why I think VR is going to fail. Having had some hands on time with a friends set, I believe these points to be even more true now.

    If developers don’t adapt, the market will die, especially as all TVs, phone, computers etc have voice recognition.

    I still think that Microsoft mucked up with how it handled the Kinect, but these developers need to improve how they work before they get left behind.

    Fru and D4 are coming out soon and seem to be showing new, innovative ways of using the device. After they are released, I would like to see peoples attitudes towards the device.

    #7 10 months ago
  8. pukem0n

    @fearmonkey is it really worse than the PS3 start fiasco?

    599$.
    riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer.
    taking away loads of features

    like i stated a lot of times, roles have reversed from last gen and will propably reverse next gen again, so it all balances out.
    fanboys hate, Gamers game. nuff said :)

    #8 10 months ago
  9. OneLifeCycle

    Such a clumsy release. MS has completely lost me and it’s too little too late to pull me back to their fold. Forcing a stupid gimmick onto me when I had ZERO interest was the last straw. I won’t even attempt to address the silly policies they also have done a 180 on. MS doesn’t listen to gamers. The only thing they listened to here were the numbers. All of their greed, stubbornness and outright disregard for the well-being of the gaming community as a whole is disgusting. Never again, MS. Never again. Take all those paperweights known as the Kinect and shove them up your collective asses.

    #9 10 months ago
  10. Pytox

    pachter is right for once :p

    #10 10 months ago
  11. DeVitowned

    @Pytox

    You know what they say, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

    #11 10 months ago
  12. theduckofdeath

    @Doppleganger Kinect us great for switching between games/apps/TV and I was impressed home the infrared can hit components you would think no way in hell it could reach.

    I wouldn’t say it is useless for games; it has some basic augmentations for core games (looking into turns in For a 5), but developers took way too long to push things further. That includes Microsoft.

    How they could market Kinect as integral to XB1 and launch with no Kinect games, nothing innovative or otherwise, is beyond me. It is June and they barely got Kinect Sports Rivals out the door.

    #12 10 months ago
  13. bigpoop

    hey vg24/7 where’s the article showing bitterness that the kinect was taken out? Harmonix comes to mind. Report both sides of the story, not just the trash everyone else does too.

    #13 10 months ago
  14. RandomTiger

    @bigpoop Its mentioned here briefly: http://www.vg247.com/2014/05/14/xbox-one-kinect-processing-power/

    “Except, it seems, Kinect developing studio Harmonix, who responded to the news with surprise on Twitter.”

    #14 10 months ago
  15. boiled lobster

    Suppose a company, let’s call it ‘Microsoft’, tells game developers, “We are going to sell Wii U (and showers them with appropriate SDKs) only to put PlayStation 4 on store shelves. With those two options we all know what’s going to happen.

    Up until it now seemed Redmond was as likely to jettison Kinect as it is Windows 8, both of which are hammered in opinion polls. So game makers began developing games that would utilize its novel interface. Double-A projects that have a chance of surviving in a triple-A world have budgets in the millions of dollars while AAA bills are measured in hundreds of millions. For both, removing Kinect from their Kinect-ed games may break the budget. If they do not cut their losses, publishers may need to sell more games just to break even, and this figure may be higher than Kinect’s user base.

    Finding their livelihood may be in jeopardy from the media rather than their employer first is what pisses people off.

    #15 10 months ago
  16. sebastien rivas

    Too expensive as seen in tweet, A kinect need cash flow to be created in mass indeed, yet, that expensive to be 100$ or so. I really don’t think so and if it is then shame on Microsoft indeed.

    To Help Microsoft and others, a peripheral that cost most more than 50$ with no direct influence AND large usage is becoming expensive.
    If it were EASY to code with and for kinect then even poker card game would use it somehow and players would say “fun” and ALL developers would say “we love it” The fact too many games and too many genres do not use Kinect is relevant to its mediocre success or lack thereof.
    Nothing is lost though, it is just a profound failure in terms of cost versus success, it does not mean it has to stay that way.
    So…. What can be done mr Phil? just drop Kinect and show Microsoft lost a little battle and yet a major war or re-define the kinect at all levels?!?!?!

    #16 10 months ago

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  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare MLG Pro League 2015 schedule announced

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  • Happy Birthday PlayStation 2, you are almost old enough to drive

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  • Here’s what the final version of Valve’s Steam Controller looks like

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  • The Sims, SimCity developer closed down

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  • Gigantic MOBA coming to Windows 10 and Xbox One with cross-play

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  • Here’s a look at Unreal Tournament DirectX 12 gameplay

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  • Wireless adapter for Xbox One controllers out later this year

    Microsoft announced at GDC 2015 today it will that all wireless Xbox gaming accessories will be designed for and supported on both Xbox One consoles and Windows 10 PCs moving forward. Later this year, a wireless adapter will be released, allowing current Xbox controllers and future devices to be used wirelessly on PCs. This will […]

  • Microsoft offers up more details on Spencer’s GDC 2015 talk

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  • Wasteland 2 is coming to PlayStation 4 this summer

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  • Cross-Buy detailed for Windows 10 and Xbox One; Elite: Dangerous coming to Xbox One

    During Xbox boss Phil Spencer’s session at GDC 2015 today, it was announced Elite: Dangerous would release on Xbox One. Spencer also outlined cross-buy functionality across Windows 10 and Xbox One. Spencer’s talk started off with Frontier Developments announcing Elite: Dangerous for release this summer as a console debut on Xbox One, suggesting the Elite: […]

  • Longbeards Culture Pack available now for Total War: Attila

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  • Nvidia unveils Titan X as world’s “most advanced GPU” – video

    Nvidia revealed Titan X as “the world’s most advanced GPU” during Epic founder Tim Sweeney’s State of Unreal session a t GDC 2015 today. Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang took the stage during the panel stating it contains “8 billion transistors,” and has 12GB of RAM. Pricing wasn’t announced, but it was rumored back in January […]

  • Steam sale discounts titles announced for SteamOS

    With many of the year’s most popular games heading to SteamOS, Valve has decided to host sale in celebration. Here’s a short list of titles on sale. The full list of PC, Linux, Mac and SteamOS discounts can be found through the link. The Banner Saga Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Batman: Arkham […]

  • PayDay 2 announced for SteamOS, celebrating with franchise sale

    PayDay 2 is coming to SteamOS, Overkill has announced. Still under development, a release date will be announced at a later date. “Making sure PAYDAY 2 is available on SteamOS felt like a no-brainer,” said Bo Andersson Klint, CEO of Starbreeze in the press release. “With PAYDAY 2: Crimewave Edition coming to the next generation […]

  • Magicka 2 has a release date and a crazy new trailer

    Magicka 2 has a release date for PC and the PlayStation 4, and Paradox Interactive has released a trailer featuring “Vlad’s latest lyrical triumph,” which is his rendition of the Game of Thrones theme. Magicka arrived on PC and PS4 May 26 and the game can be pre-ordered on PC beginning today, with PS4 pre-orders […]

  • Nintendo eShop schedule: Don’t Starve: Giant Edition, Never Alone, others

    Nintendo has sent over a list of titles heading to the eShop in 2015. The schedule contains titles such as Affordable Space Adventures, Runbow, Swords & Soldiers 2, Don’t Starve: Giant Edition, Never Alone and Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars. Below a preliminary list of games scheduled to launch in the Nintendo eShop on […]

  • Week 8: Can you win the weekly VG247 GTA Online playlist? Play tonight at 8pm UK time!

    We’re hotdogging tonight. I don’t even know what that means. Eight weeks of ridiculous death. Such a brave, true milestone. We’re going to celebrate two entire months of playing weekly GTA Online playlists with VG247 readers with Hotdogging, a set of six jobs I named completely at random. This one ends with a straight-up border […]

  • Puzzle platformer Four Sided Fantasy coming to PC, consoles in early 2016

    Curve Digital and developer Logan Fieth’s studio Ludo Land are bringing puzzle platformer, Four Sided Fantasy, to PC all major consoles in early 2016. Ludo Land are developing the PC version, with Curve Digital handling the console and Vita versions. Four Sided Fantasy tasks players with venturing across “dreamlike levels” by controlling and manipulating the […]

  • Tropico 5 arrives on PS4 in April – video

    A release date for Tropico 5 on PlayStation 4 has been announced. This is the franchise’s first foray onto PlayStation consoles. It arrived in Europe on April 24 and in North America on April 28. A Limited Edition has also been announced, and it includes The Big Cheese DLC and the Bayo Del Olfato sandbox […]

  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain Limited Edition PS4 releasing in Asia

    A limited edition Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain PlayStation 4 system will be released in Asia. The system and its DualShock controller were designed in collaboration with Konami Digital Entertainment and targeted for the Asia region, per Gematsu. It will be released as part of PS4 Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain […]

  • This video shows Sid Meier’s Starships being played on iPad

    Sid Meier’s Starships will be released on iPad alongside Mac and PC, and to give you an idea on how it plays on the tablet, a new video has been released. Watch below as Pete Murray and lead producer Stuart Zissu show off the iPad version. The 4X space-strategy releases on March 12.

  • Wolfenstein: The Old Blood announced as standalone prequel to Wolfenstein: The New Order

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, a standalone prequel to The New Order, will release May 5 on PC, PS4 and Xbox One. The game takes pace in 1946, and and players take on the role of B.J. Blazkowicz as he embarks on a two-part mission in Bavaria. Part one, Rudi Jäger and the Den of Wolves, […]

  • Observer Mode coming soon to Evolve as a free update

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  • Dragon Quest Heroes and PS4 top Media Create charts in Japan

    The PlayStation 3 and PS4 skus for Dragon Quest Heroes were the top sellers on the Media Create charts in Japan, moving a combined 594,749 units. Elsewhere on the chart, The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask 3D was in third place with 39,751 units moved, and last week’s top seller, God Eater 2: Rage Burst, […]

  • Watch Hideo Kojima answer lots of your burning Phantom Pain questions

    What’s better than learning the official release date of MGS5: The Phantom pain? Hideo Kojima talking more about it, of course! Hideo Kojima has decided to answer a few fan questions about Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain, to help boost everyone’s hype to insane levels. He talks about the game’s story, his relief […]

  • MGS5: The Phantom Pain Day 1 and Collector’s Edition revealed

    Konami has officially revealed the release date of Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain alongside the game’s Day 1 and Collector’s Edition. Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain will release September 1, worldwide, as previously leaked. It will be available on PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. The PC Steam […]

  • EU Club Nintendo: Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds soundtrack back in stock

    Club Nintendo members in Europe can once again pick up The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds soundtrack. For 3000 Stars, members of the program will receive the double-CD soundtrack which features 89 tracks with liner notes from Ryo Nagamatsu and 12 sheet music excerpts. It also comes with 16 Milk Bar Musician pieces. […]

  • HTC apologises over “confusing” Half-Life VR comments

    HTC has misspoke when it talked about Half-Life coming to VR headset Vive. HTC chairwoman Cher Wang has apologised over the comments she made yesterday about the possibility of Half-Life coming to Vive, the VR headset it’s manufacturing with the help of Valve. Sources close to Valve, have indicated to the BBC that the developer […]

  • What do Heists and Daily Objectives tell us about the future of GTA Online?

    Daily Objectives could be more important to GTA Online than Heists. These theories and more, from a giddy Matt Martin. Yesterday Rockstar dropped a bombshell. Not only is it releasing Heists next week – the mythical 4-player missions for GTA Online – but it’s also going to be introducing daily challenges and more modes to […]

  • Breaking down Hardline Premium, is it worth it?

    Having been announced just a few days ago, the Premium service for Battlefield Hardline has been a topic of constant debate among the Battlefield community. Many look at Hardline as a Battlefield off-shoot that will just tide everyone over until Battlefront comes out in the fall. EA has other plans however, announcing a $50 Premium […]