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Games developers really kicked Kinect when it was down this week

Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:56 GMT By Matt Martin

It’s not been a great week for Microsoft. Pulling Kinect from the Xbox One was seen as the final u-turn for a games consoles that’s been chasing its own tail almost since it was first revealed.

We know games players, fanboys and the press were happy to take a dig at another climb-down from the Xbox corporation, but you’d expect a little more solidarity from games developers. Wouldn’t you?

George Broussard (Duke Nukem) got straight to the point.

Rami Ismail (Ridiculous fishing, Luftrausers) went for the burn…

But he did make a good point about indie development.

We’re not entirely sure what point David Jaffe (Twisted Metal, God of War) was making, or whether a 13 year-old fanboy had taken over his account briefly.

Ben Cousins (Battlefield F2P, The Drowning, ) offered some smug historical insight.

Dan Marshall (Time, Gentlemen Please!) injected a little British humour.

While Devolver Digital’s fictional CFO Fork Parker was only thinking of the children…

…he may have also hit the nail on the head.

Dropping Kinect wasn’t a surprise to some people blessed with foresight, as noted by Ed Boon (Mortal Kombat).

And after all this, what does Kudo Tsunoda, creative director of the original Kinect 1.0 think? Oh, that’s right, he’s not been very active for a while… maybe he’s still playing those games?

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16 Comments

  1. DeVitowned

    Haha Damn. I guess Nintendo is no longer the butt end of the joke.

    #1 9 months ago
  2. Joe Musashi

    Vlambeer. So salty. Glorious.

    JM

    #2 9 months ago
  3. Doppleganger

    If there was the option on day one I would still buy the kinect as for having a home theatre it’s absolutly amazing. It’s just awful and useless for games, that’s all.
    I just want a disc less version as I’m all digital on this console and my optical drive is pretty much a virgin. Damn stupid consumers for destroying the xbox one.

    #3 9 months ago
  4. Sethos

    Good. Kinect is shit for kids, don’t shuv’ it down our throats.

    #4 9 months ago
  5. DjCowHerder

    Thank goodness. Now with this out the way, Roll on Halo 5.

    #5 9 months ago
  6. fearmonkey

    Wow……. the Xbox One such a historic fiasco, truly one for the history books. The sad fact is that they spent all this time, effort, and development money on features that they had to completely walk back on. A group of designers, devs and QA worked on the DRM implementation, probably a ton of executive meetings just on that alone. Now they are walking back on included Kinect, when that was supposedly too important on the Xbone to remove, too integral to be without. The designed it’s audio processor and other silicone inside the Xbox especially for the Kinect, and now it’s being relegated to just another peripheral.

    In short, they made the GPU less powerful because they spent their silicone money to support Kinect, which now will not be included with the system. Essentially turning the Xbox One into a 360 in features, and competing for the same price with the PS4 which was built as a gaming device primarily and has much better ram and GPU.

    Why would anyone hire Don Mattrick after this fiasco? I am thinking Zynga will not survive his management. Don walked in and took over the reigns from the people who got the 360 and Xbox brand going, and took the glory from it becoming successfull, but it wasnt his leadership that did it.. Now the real fruits of his decisions and labor show and he almost ruined the Xbox brand name.

    I am betting the Xbox rebounds with the $399 cost, and it might even overtake PS4 as the top console in the US again. But the PS4 is going to be the big system this gen.

    #6 9 months ago
  7. jonnymelamet

    Here is a thought.

    I understand that developers work hard to program games etc, but sometimes you have to learn how to adapt to new technology. It is their job to make it great.

    If the peopel building software for a device say it is shit, then the software coming out for teh device will be shit. It is time for some of these developers to get their head out of their arses.

    The games market will die without an influx of new technology and I haev already mentioned here multiple time reasons why I think VR is going to fail. Having had some hands on time with a friends set, I believe these points to be even more true now.

    If developers don’t adapt, the market will die, especially as all TVs, phone, computers etc have voice recognition.

    I still think that Microsoft mucked up with how it handled the Kinect, but these developers need to improve how they work before they get left behind.

    Fru and D4 are coming out soon and seem to be showing new, innovative ways of using the device. After they are released, I would like to see peoples attitudes towards the device.

    #7 9 months ago
  8. pukem0n

    @fearmonkey is it really worse than the PS3 start fiasco?

    599$.
    riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer.
    taking away loads of features

    like i stated a lot of times, roles have reversed from last gen and will propably reverse next gen again, so it all balances out.
    fanboys hate, Gamers game. nuff said :)

    #8 9 months ago
  9. OneLifeCycle

    Such a clumsy release. MS has completely lost me and it’s too little too late to pull me back to their fold. Forcing a stupid gimmick onto me when I had ZERO interest was the last straw. I won’t even attempt to address the silly policies they also have done a 180 on. MS doesn’t listen to gamers. The only thing they listened to here were the numbers. All of their greed, stubbornness and outright disregard for the well-being of the gaming community as a whole is disgusting. Never again, MS. Never again. Take all those paperweights known as the Kinect and shove them up your collective asses.

    #9 9 months ago
  10. Pytox

    pachter is right for once :p

    #10 9 months ago
  11. DeVitowned

    @Pytox

    You know what they say, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

    #11 9 months ago
  12. theduckofdeath

    @Doppleganger Kinect us great for switching between games/apps/TV and I was impressed home the infrared can hit components you would think no way in hell it could reach.

    I wouldn’t say it is useless for games; it has some basic augmentations for core games (looking into turns in For a 5), but developers took way too long to push things further. That includes Microsoft.

    How they could market Kinect as integral to XB1 and launch with no Kinect games, nothing innovative or otherwise, is beyond me. It is June and they barely got Kinect Sports Rivals out the door.

    #12 9 months ago
  13. bigpoop

    hey vg24/7 where’s the article showing bitterness that the kinect was taken out? Harmonix comes to mind. Report both sides of the story, not just the trash everyone else does too.

    #13 9 months ago
  14. RandomTiger

    @bigpoop Its mentioned here briefly: http://www.vg247.com/2014/05/14/xbox-one-kinect-processing-power/

    “Except, it seems, Kinect developing studio Harmonix, who responded to the news with surprise on Twitter.”

    #14 9 months ago
  15. boiled lobster

    Suppose a company, let’s call it ‘Microsoft’, tells game developers, “We are going to sell Wii U (and showers them with appropriate SDKs) only to put PlayStation 4 on store shelves. With those two options we all know what’s going to happen.

    Up until it now seemed Redmond was as likely to jettison Kinect as it is Windows 8, both of which are hammered in opinion polls. So game makers began developing games that would utilize its novel interface. Double-A projects that have a chance of surviving in a triple-A world have budgets in the millions of dollars while AAA bills are measured in hundreds of millions. For both, removing Kinect from their Kinect-ed games may break the budget. If they do not cut their losses, publishers may need to sell more games just to break even, and this figure may be higher than Kinect’s user base.

    Finding their livelihood may be in jeopardy from the media rather than their employer first is what pisses people off.

    #15 9 months ago
  16. sebastien rivas

    Too expensive as seen in tweet, A kinect need cash flow to be created in mass indeed, yet, that expensive to be 100$ or so. I really don’t think so and if it is then shame on Microsoft indeed.

    To Help Microsoft and others, a peripheral that cost most more than 50$ with no direct influence AND large usage is becoming expensive.
    If it were EASY to code with and for kinect then even poker card game would use it somehow and players would say “fun” and ALL developers would say “we love it” The fact too many games and too many genres do not use Kinect is relevant to its mediocre success or lack thereof.
    Nothing is lost though, it is just a profound failure in terms of cost versus success, it does not mean it has to stay that way.
    So…. What can be done mr Phil? just drop Kinect and show Microsoft lost a little battle and yet a major war or re-define the kinect at all levels?!?!?!

    #16 9 months ago

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    The PlayStation 4 version of Project CARS has been shown in 1080p 60fps. The video below is captured by racing game enthusiasts Team VVV from a preview build. You can see different racing disciplines being demonstrated here, on different circuits. The game’s impressive visuals get even better when the weather gets worse.

  • Battle Pod is the Star Wars arcade game you’ve waited your whole life for

    Star Wars: Battle Pod is an arcade game that lets you replay the battles of the original trilogy, and features an incredible cockpit. If you’ve never played a game at an arcade before, Star Wars: Battle Pod will definitely be the one to change your mind. It’s an arcade cabinet out of a classic Star […]

  • CoD Exo Zombies: how to unlock the Ride of the Valkyries Easter egg

    To no one’s surprise, Exo Zombies mode in Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare has some Easter eggs. The first Exo Zombies Easter egg, of surely many more to come, has been discovered. It’s a musical one that involves Richard Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries. How you unlock it is not as convoluted as you might […]

  • Dying Light is sub-1080p on Xbox One, full 1080p on PS4 – report

    Early analysis of Dying Light on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One has revealed a few technical details about both ports. Digital Foundry has produced some analysis of both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ports of Dying Light based on some early testing. Both versions manage a solid 30 frames-per-second, only dipping below that in […]

  • Battlefield 4 Second Assault DLC free to all EA Access members

    EA is offering Battlefield 4′s Second Assault expansion free to anyone with an active EA Access subscription. Anyone with an active subscription to EA Access can download the Second Assault expansion pack for Battlefield 4 starting January 29 and through February 28, free of charge. All you need to do is find it on the […]

  • The Witcher 3 is getting optimised, but no visual downgrade

    The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is in the final stages of development and developer CD Projekt RED is making sure optimisation work doesn’t impact the game’s visuals. The Witcher 3 art producer, Michal Stec, spoke to Eternity in an interview and was asked whether the team will downgrade the visuals to get better performance. “No. […]

  • Can’t download Dying Light on PS4? Here’s a fix

    If you’ve bought Dying Light on PS4 and you’re having trouble downloading it, you’re not alone. Here’s how to beat the bug. Techland’s Dying Light is stumbling out of the blocks a little this week, with many PS4 users experiencing problems with their full-game downloads. A bug’s to blame. Your console thinks you’ve already installed […]

  • What The Witcher 3 owes to Skyrim – and how it surpasses it

    The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt owes more than a nod to Bethesda’s Skyrim. I went to see The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and had a great time. I went in a fan of the books but not very experienced with the first two games. I came out with The Witcher 3 top of my gaming […]

  • Dragon’s Dogma Online has great monsters

    Dragon’s Dogma Online looks pretty rad – an undesirable quality in a game unlikely to come west, from our perspective. The first Dragon’s Dogma trailer was released this afternoon; admire its beauty below. The free to play online RPG was announced for PC, PlayStation 3 and PS4 overnight, but Capcom doesn’t intend to bring it […]

  • Xenoblade Chronicles X map about five times the size of last game’s

    Xenoblade Chronicles X is not a small game. This week’s Famitsu has a feature on Xenoblade Chronicles X giving some details on Monolith Soft’s next RPG and first Wii U game. According to Siliconera‘s translation of reports on the feature, the game’s map is about five times the size of that in Xenoblade Chronicles. The […]

  • Take on Mars expected to hit beta in April

    Take on Mars, the space sim from Bohemia Interactive will soon be reader for wider consumption. According to a new Take on Mars development roadmap, the sim will go into beta at the start of April, with full release expected in June. The project is currently available via Steam early Access, but between now and […]

  • Can you guess the next Mortal Kombat X character reveal from this fatality audio clip?

    Mortal Kombat X will have at least one very liquid-sounding fatality. NetherRealm is revealing Mortal Kombat X’s cats one character at a time, and has promised a new reveal during a community Twitch stream tomorrow. It also provided the following teaser video – it’s audio only, and apparently taken from a fatality sequence. What’s your […]

  • Nintendo Creators Program now recruiting YouTubers – PewDiePie, others weigh-in

    Nintendo has opened a Creators Program designed to ensure creators get a slice of ad revenue from videos featuring Nintendo assets, and some prominent YouTubers aren’t pleased with the company. Update “What Nintendo are missing out on completely is the free exposure and publicity that they get from YouTube,” wrote Felix Kjellberg (PewDiePie) on his […]

  • Xbox Live issues under investigation

    Can’t sign into Xbox Live? Microsoft is on the case. Xbox 360 and Xbox One users report being unable to sign in to Xbox Live. Microsoft is already aware of and working on the problem. “Our team is hard at work right now trying to get this resolved. Thank you for staying patient while we […]

  • Make money from your non-Valve mods with Steam Workshop

    Valve has opened the money-making side of Steam Workshop to third-party titles, giving enterprising modders more ways to make money. Steam now hosts curated Workshops for Dungeon Defenders: Eternity and Chivalry: Medieval Warfare, the first non-Valve games to support the scheme. What that means is that community members can create, vote on and eventually even […]

  • Check out DmC: Devil May Cry’s new manual lock-on

    DmC: Devil may Cry developer Ninja Theory has released a video showing off the new, controversial lock-on mode. The new manual lock-on is causing quite a stir, although its reception is probably better than the white-wigged Dante who makes fans even more upset than the original makeover. “The primary purpose of this video is to […]

  • Dragon Quest Heroes looks pretty fun

    Dragon Quest Heroes is yet another Omega Force take on an existing property – like Hyrule Warriors or the One Piece games. And it looks pretty sweet. We haven’t heard much from Dragon Quest Heroes here in the west because it hasn’t been confirmed for release outside Japan. This isn’t terribly surprising as we still […]

  • Square Enix to reveal new PS4 game this weekend

    Square Enix is doing something pretty mysterious right now. The Final Fantasy publisher is teasing something called Project Code Z. The project, which Square Enix is tweeting about in Japanese, English and German, is due for reveal at Tokaigi 2015 on Saturday. It’s a PS4 game, but that’s all we know. There’s a website you […]

  • Tetris has crowned its first known western Grand Master

    Tetris fans have a new western champion. Tetris is one of those gaming obsessions that goes much deeper than you might expect. For example, did you know that some versions of the game assess your performance and over you the chance to become a “grand master”? Turns out that’s a thing, and according to Polygon […]

  • Ken Levine’s next game teased as “sci-fi-ish” small, open-world RPG

    A series of tweets from BioShock creator Ken Levine has shed a sliver of light upon his next project. According to Levine he and his team are considering something a bit sci-fi and contemplating first-person mode. The team is developing the game for PC with a large in scope, expandable, systems-based narrative where more can […]

  • Become a lynx in new Shelter 2 trailer

    Shelter 2 casts players in the role of a lynx, which makes for quite a different experience to the badger of the first game. The first Shelter game had you evading predators, but in the second, you becomes one yourself. That doesn’t mean there are no dangers to face, of course. Judging by the trailer […]

  • Why King of Fighters 13 isn’t coming back to Evo

    Evo, the premiere western fighting game tournament, has dropped support for a few previously favoured titles. King of Fighters 13 had a loyal following, but isn’t featured in the Evo 2015 line-up. “Many things go into what games makes it to Evo, but the most obvious one is, ‘Is the community playing this game?’” Evo […]

  • An average Evolve match takes less than ten minutes

    Evolve players are pretty quick at hunting each other down. Evolve developer Turtle Rock has released an infographic brimming with statistics garnered from its recent beta test. One of the key takeaways is that all three monsters, and all four classes, are working as intended – their performance in game matches Turtle Rock’s designs. If […]

  • Super Mario Amiibo can be pre-ordered on Nintendo UK, Mario and Peach sold out

    The latest set of Amiibo in the Super Mario series is now available for pre-purchase through the Nintendo UK Store. Each of the following sports a red base and will run you £10.99: Bowser, Luigi, Mario, Peach, Toad and Yoshi. It looks like Peach and Mario are both sold out, though. All six can be […]

  • The Music of League of Legends Vol. 1 free to download now

    League of Legends has excellent music, and now you can have it too. The Music of League of Legends Vol. 1 collects 15 tracks from the MOBA’s history, and is available for free. You can grab the music from iTunes, Google Play or via direct download. Tere’s an example track below to get you in […]

  • Super Bowl 49 update arrives on Madden NFL Mobile

    With Super Bowl 49 occurring this coming Sunday, February 1, EA Sports has updated Madden NFL Mobile with new feature enhancements and Super Bowl-themed Live Events. Updates include: League vs League Tournaments Obstacle Course Super Bowl Bonus Players Tom Brady and Richard Sherman Super Bowl Legends Super Bowl Moments Upgraded Auction House The Super Bowl […]

  • See Super Smash Bros.’ unused custom moves

    Super Smash Bros. was originally intended to have 16 custom moves per character. The final version of Super Smash Bros. only features 12 custom moves per fighter, but Nintendo left animations for some of the cut moves in place. A Youtuber called RED has dug these cut mvoes out of the brawler’s code, and displayed […]

  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt contains 16 hours of sex scene mo-cap data

    Sex is nothing new to the The Witcher games, and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is no exception. In fact, it contains 16 hours of sex scene motion capture data. Giggity. There’s a reason for the bedroom dalliances though, as Geralt is a flesh and blood human, or a modified human at any rate, with […]

  • Here’s the launch trailer for Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered

    A launch trailer for Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered has been released after an Amazon listing was revealed for it over the weekend. Key upgrades include: High-definition Graphics — All of the in-game textures have been meticulously recreated in HD for mobile and desktop. Widescreen Support – A true widescreen (not cropped) view strengthens the game’s […]

  • The open beta for Battlefield Hardline will be dated tomorrow

    The exact dates as well as more information on the Battlefield Hardline open beta will be shared tomorrow. This is according to the latest blog post from developer Visceral Games. “We’ll share the exact dates and info on the Battlefield Hardline open beta tomorrow,” wrote Visceral boss Steve Papoutsis. “Stay tuned, thanks again, and keep […]

  • Upcoming Hearthstone patch to apply balance change to Undertaker

    An upcoming Hearthstone patch will apply a balance change to the Undertaker card, Blizzard has announced. After the release of Goblins vs Gnomes, Blizzard said it kept an “eye on the state of game balance” as more matches were played using the additional cards. Released with The Curse of Naxxramas, Undertaker is considered an overly […]

  • February Games with Gold offers up Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons

    The free games on offer in February via Xbox Live Games with Gold have been announced. Xbox Live Gold members on Xbox One can download #IDARB during February. Xbox 360 users can grab Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons from February 1-15, when it will be replaced by Sniper Elite V2 from February 16 -28. […]

  • Kinguin blames unidentified Russian for deactivated Far Cry 4 keys

    Third-party game key seller Kinguin is issuing refunds to those who found their games deactivated through Ubisoft’s Uplay service. Customers which purchased keys for Assassin’s Creed: Unity, Far Cry 4, The Crew and Watch Dogs are affected. Kinguin said 4,600 customer tickets were submitted over the last 72 hours and 35 out of 3,400 of […]

  • Video Unlimited to be re-branded as PlayStation Video starting in February

    Like Music Unlimited, Sony’s Video Unlimited service is being replaced and re-branded PlayStation Video. PlayStation Video will become part of PlayStation Network to streamline digital services for the over 64 million PSN users. PlayStation Video and PlayStation Music will be added to PSN which is already a destination point for the PlayStation Store, PlayStation Plus, […]

  • Spotify arrives on PlayStation Music this spring, Music Unlimited closing

    Spotify will launch on PlayStation Network this spring as part of a new music destination called PlayStation Music. PlayStation Music is a replacement for Music Unlimited, and those with a PSN account can link to Spotify which can be used just for music, or when playing games on PlayStation 4. Existing playlists from current Spotify […]