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Games developers really kicked Kinect when it was down this week

Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:56 GMT By Matt Martin

It’s not been a great week for Microsoft. Pulling Kinect from the Xbox One was seen as the final u-turn for a games consoles that’s been chasing its own tail almost since it was first revealed.

We know games players, fanboys and the press were happy to take a dig at another climb-down from the Xbox corporation, but you’d expect a little more solidarity from games developers. Wouldn’t you?

George Broussard (Duke Nukem) got straight to the point.

Rami Ismail (Ridiculous fishing, Luftrausers) went for the burn…

But he did make a good point about indie development.

We’re not entirely sure what point David Jaffe (Twisted Metal, God of War) was making, or whether a 13 year-old fanboy had taken over his account briefly.

Ben Cousins (Battlefield F2P, The Drowning, ) offered some smug historical insight.

Dan Marshall (Time, Gentlemen Please!) injected a little British humour.

While Devolver Digital’s fictional CFO Fork Parker was only thinking of the children…

…he may have also hit the nail on the head.

Dropping Kinect wasn’t a surprise to some people blessed with foresight, as noted by Ed Boon (Mortal Kombat).

And after all this, what does Kudo Tsunoda, creative director of the original Kinect 1.0 think? Oh, that’s right, he’s not been very active for a while… maybe he’s still playing those games?

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16 Comments

  1. DeVitowned

    Haha Damn. I guess Nintendo is no longer the butt end of the joke.

    #1 11 months ago
  2. Joe Musashi

    Vlambeer. So salty. Glorious.

    JM

    #2 11 months ago
  3. Doppleganger

    If there was the option on day one I would still buy the kinect as for having a home theatre it’s absolutly amazing. It’s just awful and useless for games, that’s all.
    I just want a disc less version as I’m all digital on this console and my optical drive is pretty much a virgin. Damn stupid consumers for destroying the xbox one.

    #3 11 months ago
  4. Sethos

    Good. Kinect is shit for kids, don’t shuv’ it down our throats.

    #4 11 months ago
  5. DjCowHerder

    Thank goodness. Now with this out the way, Roll on Halo 5.

    #5 11 months ago
  6. fearmonkey

    Wow……. the Xbox One such a historic fiasco, truly one for the history books. The sad fact is that they spent all this time, effort, and development money on features that they had to completely walk back on. A group of designers, devs and QA worked on the DRM implementation, probably a ton of executive meetings just on that alone. Now they are walking back on included Kinect, when that was supposedly too important on the Xbone to remove, too integral to be without. The designed it’s audio processor and other silicone inside the Xbox especially for the Kinect, and now it’s being relegated to just another peripheral.

    In short, they made the GPU less powerful because they spent their silicone money to support Kinect, which now will not be included with the system. Essentially turning the Xbox One into a 360 in features, and competing for the same price with the PS4 which was built as a gaming device primarily and has much better ram and GPU.

    Why would anyone hire Don Mattrick after this fiasco? I am thinking Zynga will not survive his management. Don walked in and took over the reigns from the people who got the 360 and Xbox brand going, and took the glory from it becoming successfull, but it wasnt his leadership that did it.. Now the real fruits of his decisions and labor show and he almost ruined the Xbox brand name.

    I am betting the Xbox rebounds with the $399 cost, and it might even overtake PS4 as the top console in the US again. But the PS4 is going to be the big system this gen.

    #6 11 months ago
  7. jonnymelamet

    Here is a thought.

    I understand that developers work hard to program games etc, but sometimes you have to learn how to adapt to new technology. It is their job to make it great.

    If the peopel building software for a device say it is shit, then the software coming out for teh device will be shit. It is time for some of these developers to get their head out of their arses.

    The games market will die without an influx of new technology and I haev already mentioned here multiple time reasons why I think VR is going to fail. Having had some hands on time with a friends set, I believe these points to be even more true now.

    If developers don’t adapt, the market will die, especially as all TVs, phone, computers etc have voice recognition.

    I still think that Microsoft mucked up with how it handled the Kinect, but these developers need to improve how they work before they get left behind.

    Fru and D4 are coming out soon and seem to be showing new, innovative ways of using the device. After they are released, I would like to see peoples attitudes towards the device.

    #7 11 months ago
  8. pukem0n

    @fearmonkey is it really worse than the PS3 start fiasco?

    599$.
    riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer.
    taking away loads of features

    like i stated a lot of times, roles have reversed from last gen and will propably reverse next gen again, so it all balances out.
    fanboys hate, Gamers game. nuff said :)

    #8 11 months ago
  9. OneLifeCycle

    Such a clumsy release. MS has completely lost me and it’s too little too late to pull me back to their fold. Forcing a stupid gimmick onto me when I had ZERO interest was the last straw. I won’t even attempt to address the silly policies they also have done a 180 on. MS doesn’t listen to gamers. The only thing they listened to here were the numbers. All of their greed, stubbornness and outright disregard for the well-being of the gaming community as a whole is disgusting. Never again, MS. Never again. Take all those paperweights known as the Kinect and shove them up your collective asses.

    #9 11 months ago
  10. Pytox

    pachter is right for once :p

    #10 11 months ago
  11. DeVitowned

    @Pytox

    You know what they say, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

    #11 11 months ago
  12. theduckofdeath

    @Doppleganger Kinect us great for switching between games/apps/TV and I was impressed home the infrared can hit components you would think no way in hell it could reach.

    I wouldn’t say it is useless for games; it has some basic augmentations for core games (looking into turns in For a 5), but developers took way too long to push things further. That includes Microsoft.

    How they could market Kinect as integral to XB1 and launch with no Kinect games, nothing innovative or otherwise, is beyond me. It is June and they barely got Kinect Sports Rivals out the door.

    #12 11 months ago
  13. bigpoop

    hey vg24/7 where’s the article showing bitterness that the kinect was taken out? Harmonix comes to mind. Report both sides of the story, not just the trash everyone else does too.

    #13 11 months ago
  14. RandomTiger

    @bigpoop Its mentioned here briefly: http://www.vg247.com/2014/05/14/xbox-one-kinect-processing-power/

    “Except, it seems, Kinect developing studio Harmonix, who responded to the news with surprise on Twitter.”

    #14 11 months ago
  15. boiled lobster

    Suppose a company, let’s call it ‘Microsoft’, tells game developers, “We are going to sell Wii U (and showers them with appropriate SDKs) only to put PlayStation 4 on store shelves. With those two options we all know what’s going to happen.

    Up until it now seemed Redmond was as likely to jettison Kinect as it is Windows 8, both of which are hammered in opinion polls. So game makers began developing games that would utilize its novel interface. Double-A projects that have a chance of surviving in a triple-A world have budgets in the millions of dollars while AAA bills are measured in hundreds of millions. For both, removing Kinect from their Kinect-ed games may break the budget. If they do not cut their losses, publishers may need to sell more games just to break even, and this figure may be higher than Kinect’s user base.

    Finding their livelihood may be in jeopardy from the media rather than their employer first is what pisses people off.

    #15 11 months ago
  16. sebastien rivas

    Too expensive as seen in tweet, A kinect need cash flow to be created in mass indeed, yet, that expensive to be 100$ or so. I really don’t think so and if it is then shame on Microsoft indeed.

    To Help Microsoft and others, a peripheral that cost most more than 50$ with no direct influence AND large usage is becoming expensive.
    If it were EASY to code with and for kinect then even poker card game would use it somehow and players would say “fun” and ALL developers would say “we love it” The fact too many games and too many genres do not use Kinect is relevant to its mediocre success or lack thereof.
    Nothing is lost though, it is just a profound failure in terms of cost versus success, it does not mean it has to stay that way.
    So…. What can be done mr Phil? just drop Kinect and show Microsoft lost a little battle and yet a major war or re-define the kinect at all levels?!?!?!

    #16 11 months ago

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  • Star Wars: Battlefront is now available for pre-order on Origin, Amazon, others

    Star Wars: Battlefront is now available for pre-order through EA’s Origin service as well as Amazon and GameStop. Star Wars: Battlefront pre-orders, as previously reported, will include early access to the free Battle of Jakku DLC. The planet is included in the upcoming film, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and finds the New Republic coming […]

  • Star Wars: Battlefront – watch the lovely reveal trailer here

    The first trailer for Star Wars: Battlefront was released today after much anticipation. Watch the lovely game reveal below, all captured on PlayStation 4. The trailer was revealed during an EA panel today at the Star Wars Celebration, and featured Lucasfilm concept artist Doug Chiang, the game’s senior producer Sigurlina Ingvarsdottir, and other members of […]

  • Star Wars: Battlefront has 40-player battles, play as Darth Vader and Boba Fett

    Star Wars: Battlefront will take place during the original film trilogy’s timeline, according to a report from the Associated Press. It appears the information was posted ahead of time, (via Kotaku) as the report is written in past tense. According to the report, players will take part in “frenzied shoot-outs between up to 40 players” […]

  • Microsoft confirms departure of Xbox Europe VP Phil Harrison

    Microsoft has confirmed the departure of Phil Harrison, its corporate VP of Xbox in Europe. According to a statement, Harrison left to pursue interests outside of the company, Xbox boss Phil Spencer told GI.biz. “Following a successful tenure as Corporate Vice President in Xbox in Europe, Phil Harrison has chosen to pursue business interests outside […]

  • Battlefield Hardline Rent-a-Server option coming to both last and current-gen consoles

    Battlefield Hardline players will be able to take part in the Rent-a-Server program, similar to the one in Battlefield 4, when the first patch for the shooter is released. Rental servers will come to both last and current-gen consoles, and CPU issues will be addressed in the patch as well, which PC players will be […]

  • Chip’s Challenge and unreleased sequel Chip’s Challenge 2 arrive on Steam next month

    Chip’s Challenge, the 1989 top-down tile-based puzzler created by Chuck Sommerville, is heading to Steam along with the unreleased sequel Chip’s Challenge 2. After the release of the first game, Sommerville spent two years developing the sequel, only to find the trademark had been sold. The trademark’s new owners wanted him to fund the publishing, […]

  • Pillars of Eternity patch betas hitting Steam, update 1.05 to drop in May

    Patch 1.04 for Pillars of Eternity dropped yesterday, and according to Obsidian Entertainment, players can expect the next round of fixes to arrive in May. According to a post on the Kickstarter page, patch 1.04 contained quite a bit of fixes, and going forward, the team plans to continue squishing bugs, adding additional polish and […]

  • Goat Simulator comes to Xbox platforms

    Goat Simulator continues its plan to dominate all platforms under the sun by releasing on Xbox consoles. Goat Simulator has been released on Xbox 360 and Xbox One. The store page for the Xbox One version is now live, but the 360 one is lagging behind. Don’t know what this game is or what it’s […]

  • Alienation: first co-op footage revealed

    We have our first look at gameplay footage from Housemarque’s Alienation. Housemarque has finally given us a look at their upcoming shooter project, Alienation. The twin-stick shooter will feature co-op and the new video shows it in action. It’s a short one but still manages to demo several environments. The game was shown off at […]

  • ReShade SweetFX supports GTA 5, user-made presets begin popping up

    GTA 5 modders started making presets for ReShade SweetFX as soon as they realised the tool supports it. To the modding community’s delightful surprise, shader-altering tool ReShade SweetFX was discovered to support GTA 5. What this means is that anyone can download the tool, mess around with the post-processing options, and inject them into GTA […]

  • Project Cars goes gold, full track list revealed

    Project Cars has finally gone gold. Project Cars developer Slightly Mad has announced that the racer has reached gold master milestone. “We know the wait for the game to be released was worth it, as we’re confident the quality and realism level we have achieved will provide our fans with the game they are all […]

  • Dragon Quest Heroes has a stupid subtitle in the West

    The Western release of Dragon Quest Heroes has been given the most absurd subtitle. Square Enix announced a while back that Dragon Quest Heroes will come to North America and Europe this year. Unlike in Japan, it will launch only on PlayStation 4. Earlier today, the Japanese publisher revealed what the game’s logo will look […]

  • Minecraft vulnerability allows users to crash servers remotely [UPDATE]

    A security flaw discovered in Minecraft’s code that could give perpetrators the ability to crash servers remotely has been fixed via a patch by Mojang. Update: Mojang has released an update to Minecraft patch 1.8, listed as version 1.8.4, and it is available now. It fixes reported security issues, in addition to some other minor […]

  • Official Bloodborne merchandise now available, including a limited edition statue

    The PlayStation gear store has added a new section dedicated to Bloodborne merchandise. The first set of items is as good as you’d expect. If you’re a fan of Bloodborne and want to make sure everyone around you knows it, you’ll be happy to know that Sony has added a few pieces of Bloodborne-branded gear […]

  • Destiny Xur update: should you buy The Last Word?

    Xur is selling one of Destiny’s top hand cannons today: The Last Word. Is it worth grinding the coins for? The answer is a resounding YES. The Last Word is one of Destiny’s best Exotics, and one of the best Hand Cannons in the game. Our Destiny expert Alex notes that it’s one of the […]

  • Destiny: Xur location and inventory for April 17, 18 – The Last Word edition

    What did our good buddy Xur bring for us this week? Xur: Agent of the Nine, Destiny’s weekend vendor is back with more Exotic offers. Xur is your guy if you’re after Exotic weapons or armour, provided you have the Strange Coins for them. Head over to the lounge in the Tower Hangar, you’ll find […]

  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt discounted for Gold members, pre-load now live

    The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt files are now live on the Xbox Store. Xbox One owners with The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt pre-orders can start downloading the full game to be ready for launch. The file size was confirmed earlier to be just over 25GB. Those who have yet to pre-order can do so at […]

  • GTA 5 files accessed by modders, reveal horses, zombies, more

    Modders have managed to pry GTA 5′s file lock open and expose many of its interesting innards. GTA community modders have gained access to several of GTA 5′s archives on PC. These files were previously believed to be inaccessible. Popular modding tool OpenIV, which was used in editing files in GTA 4 (hence the name), […]

  • Bethesda’s E3 invite features Dishonored, Doom, Wolfenstein… but no Fallout

    Bethesda is going first at E3 this year with a showcase of games on Sunday night. What clues can we see in the press invite? Skyrim publisher Bethesda has sent out confirmation of its E3 showcase, taking place Sunday June 14. The invite includes a number of Bethesda game characters including Wolfenstein’s BJ Blazcowicz, a […]

  • Here’s Crytek’s VR demo, because dinosaurs

    Dinosaurs! This is precisely what virtual reality is for. VR demos are all over the place and CryEngine developer Crytek has produced one of its own, showing off how the engine is flexible enough t- Look, let me level with you: I don’t care. I only care about dinosaurs. Hush now and watch the dinosaurs. […]

  • StreetPass update adds birthday collecting, VIP Miis and more

    StreetPass collecters should take advantage of an optional update. It’s International StreetPass Week, so now’s the time to break out the 3DS and go hunting. Don’t leave your home network without first checking out a new optional update, though. Kotaku reports the update prompt is available from the leftmost icon in your StreetPass Mii Plaza. […]

  • Massive Uplay sale offers cheap games in time for the weekend

    PC gamers can grab a sweet saving or two in Uplay’s Spring Sale. Assassin’s Creed: Unity, Far Cry 4, South Park: The Stick of Truth, Dragon Age: Inquisition and Alien: Isolation are all on sale as part of Uplay’s Spring Sale, among many other titles. The sale offers discounts of up to 85% off digital […]

  • Fix for GTA 5 PC Windows install bug releasing today

    Rockstar is set to release a patch today that will fix a bug preventing players from installing the game. The bug is tied to Windows usernames that use certain characters not supported by Rockstar. There’s already a workaround available on the Rockstar Support site, but those waiting for an official update will be able to […]

  • Prey 2 dev’s new mobile horror Lost Within out now on iOS and Fire

    Remember Lost Within, that mobile survival horror erstwhile Prey 2 developer Human Head Studios was making with Amazon Game Studios? It’s now available on iOS and for Amazon’s Fire devices, through the appropriate App Stores. There’s a little bit of extra info on it on the AGS blog, if you’re keen; unfortunately the blog doesn’t […]

  • Let’s take a look at Blood Bowl 2′s Chaos faction

    Blood Bowl 2: The Chaos Theory is only the latest in a much loved series of games based on a game based on two other games. Blood Bowl is a popular Games Workshop tabletop game which blends the fantasy universe of Warhammer with a fantasy sport drawing inspiration from American football and related games. It’s […]

  • “Second-person” shooter Screencheat coming to PS4 and Xbox One

    Goldeneye players should be familiar with the concept of screencheating, which is what this new indie is all about. Screencheat has been on our radars for a while but has now been confirmed for PS4, sparking a new wave of interest with a trailer and PS Blog post. However, it was one of a number […]

  • World of Warcraft Timewalking will make old dungeons fun again

    World of Warcraft will soon introduce a feature called Timewalking, designed to make you feel young again. When WoW players participate in a Timewalking event, they’ll be transported to a randomly selected classic dungeon. Upon entering, their level and gear will be scaled way, way down to the Dungeon’s Heroic level – so they won’t […]

  • Bloodborne and Dark Souls messaging – in real life

    Soapstone is a cool little app that mimics the messaging system found in Bloodborne, Dark Souls and Demon’s Souls. Bloodborne and Dark Souls fans will surely agree that the asynchronous multiplayer side of things, with players leaving anonymous tips, encouragement and jokes for each other, is one of the cooler aspects of the From Software […]

  • Mass Effect fans, get a load of this My Talking Elcor plushie

    I have been waiting to write about this all day because oh my god. Mass Effect attracted a devoted fanbase and Bioware has found tons of clever ways to satisfy that fanbase’s desire for clothes, collectibles, books, comics and toys related to the future world of Commander Shepard and company. The company has been so […]