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Steam Machine prototype details, specs posted by Valve

Friday, 4th October 2013 20:29 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Valve has posted a list of hardware specifications for its Steam Machine prototype, which it will send out to 300 testers this year and runs the firm’s SteamOS.

Here’s the specs per Valve:

GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel : i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB DDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high

“As a hardware platform, the Steam ecosystem will change over time, so any upgrades will be at each user’s discretion,” wrote the firm’s Greg Cooomer. “In the future we’ll talk about how Steam will help customers understand the differences between machines, hardware strengths and weaknesses, and upgrade decisions.

“We aren’t quite ready to post a picture of our prototype – just because they’re not finished enough. Before they ship we’ll let you know what the prototype looks like. And we expect people to redesign the machine, too. Both from a technical perspective, deciding on different components, and from an industrial design perspective, changing the enclosure in interesting ways.

“This design is not meant to serve the needs of all of the tens of millions of Steam users. It may, however, be the kind of machine that a significant percentage of Steam users would actually want to purchase – those who want plenty of performance in a high-end living room package.

“Many others would opt for machines that have been more carefully designed to cost less, or to be tiny, or super quiet, and there will be Steam Machines that fit those descriptions.”

Valve said to also “stay tuned” for a closer look at the Steam Controller.

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222 Comments

  1. nollie4545

    Well that just kicked AMD in the nuts.

    #1 11 months ago
  2. Game Hunter

    Is this a gaming device,or a high-end PC?I loved to get one of those prototypes,but sadly can’t.Watch Dogs would look amazing on a gaming rig like this.

    #2 11 months ago
  3. Erthazus

    HOLY SHIT. This is a console?

    AHAHAHAHHAAHA. It is more powerfull than Ps4 or Xbox One by 4-5 times.

    powerfull as hell. They even have SSD. Nvidia Titan… Oh my… lol PS4 and Xbox One… *Facepalm*

    #3 11 months ago
  4. KineticCalvaria

    Yeah, okay… now the price?

    This certainly isn’t going to be competitively priced with next gen consoles.

    #4 11 months ago
  5. Game Hunter

    @1 Seriously

    #5 11 months ago
  6. Diingo

    If these are ever to reach a mass market they price needs to be around $400 for the midtier Steam Machines.

    #6 11 months ago
  7. Erthazus

    Oh look, How much Xbox One and PS4 have Ram? 8 each? Well look bro, this one have 16 GB OF Ram

    and it is a launch Steammachine.

    This is so epic and yeah you can upgrade it btw.

    #7 11 months ago
  8. Hcw87

    @7
    Unless they can actually make these cheaper than what it costs to build similar machines yourself i don’t see people running with these kinds of specs. I don’t see the appeal yet.

    #8 11 months ago
  9. pcbros

    I was going to upgrade to a GTX660… but now I’m having second thoughts.

    Well, it’s safe to say the Steam Machine will be the most powerful living room gaming system. XB1/PS4 bring value but the Steam Machine is bringing the big guns.

    As long as it’s priced lower than anything I could build, I’m sold.

    @8 – It would be suicide to price their systems above what an individual could build.

    #9 11 months ago
  10. Erthazus

    For me there is already a huge appeal if I want to play console games.
    High End console game that I can upgrade.
    NUFF. SAID

    That means that I can buy any system I want. You want similar specs to PS4 and Xbox One but with ability to play everything in 1080p? Sure.

    You want A titan, the best CPU, 16 GB of ram and stuff? You can.

    With the innovative controller + My own OS.

    As If I won’t buy it. Yeah.

    Valve – Won.

    #10 11 months ago
  11. undermyrules

    Rip next gen consoles

    #11 11 months ago
  12. Hcw87

    @10
    Except it won’t play console exclusives like Uncharted/Halo/Forza etc, so people will still buy consoles for that.

    #12 11 months ago
  13. Erthazus

    I don’t care about casual children that buys a console for a Movie/Casual FPS with gay space marines/Arcadish racing game

    #13 11 months ago
  14. pcbros

    The nice thing about PC components is that they drop in price with time. So you could get a low-end GTX660 Steam Machine and later upgrade to a GTX780 for half the price.

    So you have essentially a console that grows with your needs. It takes the power/flexibility of PCs and the simplicity of consoles… it just needs reasonable pricing and they will be golden.

    @12 – Those are great games you mentioned. The problem I see is that the Steam Machine, Xbox One and Playstation 4 all share about +80% of the same games.

    So it’s not easy to fork over $400/$500 to play a handful of exclusives. The majority of people don’t own both a 360 & a PS3 despite their exclusives.

    The good thing for consoles is that the majority of people have no clue a Steam Machine is being planned. They are thinking XB1/PS4… so I’m sure they will be buying those.

    So the real question is, will they want a Steam Machine after purchasing a XB1/PS4?

    Either way, I’m glad to be an informed gamer :D

    #14 11 months ago
  15. Hcw87

    @13
    You just said you could play console games on the Steambox, i don’t see how that makes sense. You play PC games (ports of console games) on it. That’s it.

    Unless Sony and MS decides to support SteamOS i don’t see ANY console game coming to it.

    #15 11 months ago
  16. Erthazus

    Sony and MS are publishers of it’s own. Their games will be obviously released only on their systems.

    but consoles games can be released in SteamOS, PC games aswell that has hundreds of games.
    People will soon play Dota2 or Total War games on console. Haha :D

    or any multiplat title in 2560×1660 resolution or 4K, 1080p and 60 fps or make the same system as PS4 or Xbox One lol or anything they want to play with.

    Sony and MS are done. Thanks Steam. That was great.

    #16 11 months ago
  17. Game Hunter

    Valve just needs to announce Half Life 3 already and their Machine’s golden.

    #17 11 months ago
  18. fearmonkey

    Why are we comparing a box that has video cards that are more expensive than a PS4?

    Those are great cards and yeah they will be amazing, but for $400 to $500?
    uh….no.

    #18 11 months ago
  19. Erthazus

    HALF-LIFE 3 in 1080p in 100 frames per second with max graphics = only on STEAM OS.

    Done. Goodbye.

    #19 11 months ago
  20. CyberMarco

    @Erth, you have some real money to burn boy…

    On topic, I think it’s an overkill! It will be very hard to sell a low-end Steam machine with those specs for less than 500$. If so, then what’s the point in a dedicated SteamBox?

    On the other hand SteamOS may be a game changer for sure.

    Also, Half-Life 3 pff… I keep hearing this excuse for so long. What a nonsense.

    #20 11 months ago
  21. DSB

    RIP Steam’s livingroom project. There’s no way they’re going to keep it under the price of Piston, let alone consoles.

    450W, even at 80 plus gold, running a Titan? How is that possible?

    #21 11 months ago
  22. monkeygourmet

    hahaha!

    Wowser, that blows these ‘next gen’ machines out of the water!

    And for people mumbling about price, new consoles aren’t exactly cheap. An Xbone and game will set you back the best part of £500… PS4 – £400…

    This is a thorn in MS & Sony’s side, you better believe it!

    Finally people will be able to play next gen games like the have been demo’ed, rather than on the weaker hardware that has actually been manufactured.

    BF4 Xbone demo was actually running on a GTX 780 rig MS? Well never mind, I’ll just play it as it was intended and demo’ed to me on a Steam Machine thank you very much…

    #22 11 months ago
  23. Panthro

    @18

    You can get a GTX 660 for quite cheap these days.. and they will be even cheaper once the steam machine comes out…

    #23 11 months ago
  24. Erthazus

    @21, That’s not true at all.
    Because Valve is building a first truly OPEN-SOURCE Console where you can buy yourself a console that you want.
    Piston is not Valve’s thing.
    I’m sure there will be systems with the price lower than something with GTX780.

    you didn’t get their first idea. It’s about Open-source and not just living room.

    “450W, even at 80 plus gold, running a Titan? How is that possible?”

    Optimisation. That’s why it is called STEAMMACHINE that is made by VALVE. It’s a console.

    #24 11 months ago
  25. wamp

    Sounds Great, but I’m concerned about two things
    1. Price
    2. Level of optimisation. I know the majority of boxes will be with close specs and that’s much easer for a developer, but I doubt it would be close to a console level optimisation.

    #25 11 months ago
  26. mtnman3888

    There’s no doubt that certain configurations will be extremely powerful, but the question is who will be willing to pay for it?

    I like the idea of being able to upgrade it like a PC, but how many of your average Joe’s are willing to fork over that kind of money every so often? I think most would be happier to pay $400 once and be good for many years, although there’s no doubt it will be an inferior machine graphically.

    If anything, I think this could accelerate the introduction of Sony and MS’s next console, there will be no 7 or 8 years between release.

    #26 11 months ago
  27. Hcw87

    Only way they’ll crush consoles is if they release it BEFORE consoles with some killer exclusives. Which won’t happen. Earliest is around summer/end of 2014 i guess.

    #27 11 months ago
  28. monkeygourmet

    GTX 680 will be priced well before Xbone & PS4 even find there feet, it’s entirely possible to create a monster machine with Valves backing in the next few years…

    #28 11 months ago
  29. DSB

    @24 No, clearly you don’t get the point.

    It’s about expanding their market, because Steam has already cornered the users who are already on the PC, and now they wanted to get in on consoles.

    Their first attempt was working with Sony, and when Sony put the kibosh on that, Valve decided to make their own.

    @26 Yup. Price is king. You can bring all the hardware you like, but it won’t make people richer than they are.

    You saw it with the PS3 and you’re seeing it with the Xbone.

    #29 11 months ago
  30. Panthro

    How people buy a console for £400-£500 is the equivalent of buying an pre-built alienware gaming PC in my opinion…
    I dont have much interest in any next gen console games so far except for Watch Dogs.

    Invest that money in PC components and build it yourself and you could have a system that surpasses PS4 and X1 with AA + 1080p resolution + texture filtering… The list goes on really….

    But when the PS4 has been out for a few years I’ll be picking it up and using it as a naughty dog console, Naughty Dog <3

    #30 11 months ago
  31. monkeygourmet

    @29

    And I know many people who are waiting for this, it’s creating buzz…

    You are imagining a future where Valve just puts this out there without thinking about or adding marketing…

    Obviously if they did that then… O_o…

    But they won’t, this is there final push… And timed pretty damn well IMO…

    #31 11 months ago
  32. Erthazus

    @29, that’s not true. Their attempt was first of all to bring PORTAL 2 to the Playstation 3. That’s it and nothing else.

    And they will expand their market. They will have lower price machines but the biggest reason here is First Open-Source Machines with it’s own proprietary OS.

    That’s a fact.

    #32 11 months ago
  33. DSB

    @31 It’s a gaming PC dude… It’s literally nothing new. If your buddies want this, what are they waiting for? I’ve had it for a couple of years :P

    @32 You might want to go back and listen to what Gabe Newell actually said when Steam came to the PS3.

    It seems you don’t recall. It was their first attempt at trying to bring their storefront to the PS3, and then Sony killed it, so they went with this instead.

    #33 11 months ago
  34. Dendroball

    Let’s be clear, there’s absolutely no way Valve will be able to make a small form factor PC aka. Steam Box as powerful as both next gen consoles for a similar price (even less an inferior price). If it is possible, then Sony&MS were just messing with us and are making huge margins on their hardware and we’re the idiots in the story. The only way Valve would be able to accomplish such a task is if Nvidia or Intel/AMD were slashing the price of their components on a crazy level just because they like Valve and want to piss off Sony&MS.

    #34 11 months ago
  35. ninjanutta

    dont chat shit.a titan alone is 700 pounds and a 1 tb ssd will be around 500,also how can you say uncharted is a boys game? GET A GRIP you fool,this will be a massive overprice at the moment and being a pc gamer myself,i still must have a ps4 for the exclusives and my pc too,just not going to beleive that those specs are anywhere neart what the norm for the average household will get or afford.
    Some people on here are morons and its the same old boring names day in day out…LOL

    #35 11 months ago
  36. monkeygourmet

    @33

    :)

    Because they can see it bringing more than just:

    Deh gaming Pceh in your front room…

    Controller for one, ease of use, better performance etc…

    #36 11 months ago
  37. Erthazus

    @33, He didn’t bring steam. He had only Steam workshop there. That’s it.

    @35, you are moron. I never said that this machine will be priced for less than 500$. No way in hell.
    + it’s a prototype. But it gives us a glimpse of the future that we will have DIFFERENT Steam machines with different specs.

    It gives us the option. You can go with the best specs available for a a loto f price or a 500$ Machine that we need to see yet.

    #37 11 months ago
  38. Edo

    Holy fuck I can’t wait to see the actual price of those beasts…HOLY FUCK!!

    #38 11 months ago
  39. CyberMarco

    Apart from the dedicated gaming SteamOS I can’t quite frankly see the point in SteamBox. It’s just a PC-in-a-box. What’s the difference from today’s PC?

    #39 11 months ago
  40. monkeygourmet

    @34

    And Nvidia don’t want to do that?! :)

    Who is there cloud solution going to compete with?!

    #40 11 months ago
  41. pcbros

    Anyone notice the dimensions? 12 x 12.4 x 2.9

    That seems pretty small to fit a standard videocard. Maybe they will be using custom parts.

    If so, that could equal the reduced price we need.

    #41 11 months ago
  42. monkeygourmet

    @39

    I think you’ll have to wait for Valve’s response and reasoning. I can’t imagine they haven’t had the same thoughts as you though! :)

    They must have a tier system or something worked out, otherwise the idea wouldn’t have left the brainstorming session.

    #42 11 months ago
  43. Erthazus

    @39, what’s the difference in PS4 or Xbox One? It’s just a PC-in-a-box with limited OS and hardware.

    #43 11 months ago
  44. monkeygourmet

    @41

    Memory stacking? SOC’s? Who knows, but im sure Nvidia are going to play a large part in this story…

    #44 11 months ago
  45. Panthro

    With what people are saying about the price…

    Remember people, MS and SONY both lose money on each console sold and make it back on games, Steam will follow this…

    With a store like Steam its hard to imagine people wont throw money at it, I’ve only began using Steam for 6 months and I already have bought almost 400 games and I’m a student…

    #45 11 months ago
  46. CyberMarco

    @monkey, yeah! That could work if they’ll use custom parts as pcbros mentioned above.

    Anyhow, I’m interested to see how it’ll go.

    @Erth, way to miss my point! -.-

    #46 11 months ago
  47. Moonwalker1982

    I am getting more and more interested in this. But still i wonder, how is this really different from a normal PC? It is aimed for the living room, right? So i assume it will receive a fitting design. Basically it’s a PC that looks like a console then? If priced right, could be a huge blow to MS and Sony. Really all it needs is the support of big name companies like Bethesda, Rockstar, Ubi, EA, Capcom and so on…and it should be fine. ESPECIALLY if those prices on Steam stay the same.

    I’m not really sure, but except of course for the first party exclusives, did the majority of console third party titles make it to Steam?

    #47 11 months ago
  48. freedoms_stain

    @41, custom mobo for sure, I reckon standard GPU, there’ll just be massive fuck-off ventilation around it

    #48 11 months ago
  49. Panthro

    @35

    a 1TB SSD? why the fuck would you buy a 1TB SSD…

    #49 11 months ago
  50. monkeygourmet

    It’s whats needed to blow the cob webs away, thats for sure…

    The MS / Sony thing was getting very boring…

    Apples move next! ;)

    #50 11 months ago
  51. DSB

    @36 There’s nothing bad about that, but if you think that’s enough to make people buy another 1000+ dollar gaming PC, you’re kidding yourself. The value just isn’t there.

    @37 This is Gabe Newell before Sony announced they were closing the PS4:

    “I think not only us but other developers are benefiting from Sony’s approach. We and other developers have to show we’re creating value to Sony for opening up its network. We have to show them it’s a smart business move.”

    This is Gabe Newell after Sony announced they were closing the PS4:

    “I think that there’s a scenario where we see sort of a dumbed down living room platform emerging – I think Apple rolls the console guys really easily. The question is can we make enough progress in the PC space to establish ourselves there, and also figure out better ways of addressing mobile before Apple takes over the living room?”

    #51 11 months ago
  52. Panthro

    @50

    Agreed, its about time one of the companies started taking risks and innovating.

    #52 11 months ago
  53. Erthazus

    @DSB, I don’t get it seriously. Without links I don’t get the picture. How PS4 announcement has something to do with the second Gabe’s quote.
    It was just a PS4 announce without any decent details.

    #53 11 months ago
  54. MadFlavour

    That shit is gonna be mad expensive yo.

    #54 11 months ago
  55. Erthazus

    “Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high”

    This actually makes me think that Sony and MS have issue with engineering when they developed their consoles if Valve had custom chips with GTX 780 and CPU that is… Overpowered as hell.

    #55 11 months ago
  56. DSB

    @53 Yeah, I see that you don’t get it, but it’s really pretty obvious what happened. Do some research.

    #56 11 months ago
  57. monkeygourmet

    @51

    Soooooo… Playing devils avocado, why do you think Valve is attempting this?

    Surely they understand the space they are operating in and have seen all the recent ‘big moves’ and internet reactions…

    If there idea was as basic as:

    Put PC in Console box…

    Then, surely they would have understood that it’s going to take alot more to woo the console players away from there comfort teats?

    #57 11 months ago
  58. Panthro

    @55 that’s probably just placeholder or something…

    Or they are making cases that go up in sizes and that’s the smallest

    #58 11 months ago
  59. Hcw87

    I’m curious how they will manage heat in this little box. A Titan alone needs a bunch of cooling, the CPU aswell. Not to mention the PSU.

    #59 11 months ago
  60. Dendroball

    #40 Well Nvidia said themselves that they didn’t get involved with the next gen consoles because there was just no money to be made, so now they are willing to lose ton of money with Valve just because Linux ? Not only that but it would also be a huge middle finger to their usual customers ie. more or less PC gamer enthusiasts : “See I sold you overpriced hardware for years and now I’m going into a new market undercutting my prices all the way just because you gave me too much money until now !”

    #60 11 months ago
  61. pcbros

    @33 – “It’s a gaming PC dude… It’s literally nothing new. If your buddies want this, what are they waiting for? I’ve had it for a couple of years”

    But aren’t the XB1 and PS4 just gaming PCs as well? The only difference is price and exclusive games. Consoles have become budget gaming PCs.

    If Valve has signed a deal with Intel/Nvidia, we could be in for a surprise :)

    #61 11 months ago
  62. Fin

    @57

    Reminds me, I’ve an avocado in the fridge I must eat!

    #62 11 months ago
  63. monkeygourmet

    @62

    Dat buttery goodness!

    I ate a massive Avocado yesterday, and a Radish Salad… Damn fine! Eat now you fool! Before it turns! :D

    #63 11 months ago
  64. Moonwalker1982

    But these machines are still going to function like a PC? So with all the possibilities of PC and its OS?

    So basically….it’s like putting your monster high end pc in your living room?

    #64 11 months ago
  65. monkeygourmet

    @61

    Exactly mon brav.

    The Xbone and PS4 are just budget PC’s. And with always online games, they will have all the trappings and problems but zero access to any of the good stuff like mods etc…

    Thays dinosaurs!

    #65 11 months ago
  66. Opalauge

    4 different GPU’s an 3 different CPU’s, so no standardized basis = unable to compete aganist a consoles, because they fail to create a unity.

    #66 11 months ago
  67. DSB

    @57 Right now your guess is really as good as mine.

    I don’t see how this takes them into the livingroom. Do you?

    If they can uncuff it from Windows, then obviously that gives them protection from the whims of Microsoft, which would be an advantage. But they haven’t done that yet, so right now it’s no magic bullet.

    I don’t see how it’s gonna be in a console box either though. Most likely they’ll try to cram it, but you’re still gonna need more space for those components than a PS4 or Xbone will take up. I’d expect it to be the size of small server or medium-sized audio monitor.

    To me this looks more like Valve simply making their own gaming PC, which could be used with a TV, but I mean that’s already the case for any PC with a modern graphics card. The only real difference here will be SteamOS and the fact that it’ll likely be smaller than a fullsize tower.

    Maybe the joker will be their budget streaming machines. I could see that being pretty cool, if it works properly.

    @61 I feel like yelling this because it’s so obvious… But dude… Those cost half of what this is gonna cost!

    If you’re a redneck living in Alabama and you can barely make ends meet as it is, what are you gonna go for? Hell, or even a middleclass family with kids and household budgets that need balancing.

    I’m pretty sure a lot of people would like to save 500 dollars on a gaming machine if they can get away with it.

    #67 11 months ago
  68. monkeygourmet

    CD Projekt, 4A Games EPIC and Crytek will be all over this like a rash!

    #68 11 months ago
  69. pcbros

    @64 – Initially it will run more like a console I would assume. But it’s an open platform and I believe you will be able to do whatever you please. Just don’t try to install Windows Vista on it or you will awaken the Owl. Don’t awaken the Owl.

    I think their goal is to get people into PC gaming. They want to squash the fears/myths people have about gaming on a PC.

    #69 11 months ago
  70. monkeygourmet

    @67

    Couldn’t SHIELD do that if the are so up Nvidias bum cracks?

    It could become Valve’s Vita / PS4 combo with the Steam Machine…

    Also, the next SHIELD would run alot of Steam games off it’s own resources, it’s going to be beast from what i’ve heard on tech forums.

    I think ‘uncuffing’ from Windows would sting, but; after a year or so and solid patch work, Valve could get most of the relevant guys onboard and the old stuff patched up…

    It’s hard, but you have to start somewhere… Then MS may be pretty fucked lol

    #70 11 months ago
  71. bradk825

    What I wonder about the upgradable device vs a classic style console, is how often you’ll need to upgrade. If I buy a console, I can play new games on it for the next 10 years without ever upgrading, because games are still being made that fit those system specs. The steambox is basically a gaming PC, what happens 5-6 years from now when I want to buy new games, will they still work? Or will I be forced into upgrades on a regular basis?

    #71 11 months ago
  72. DSB

    @70 There’s no way they’re gonna retrofit the games though. They have to make the OS compatible, or leave ‘em behind and try to make developers think of them going forward.

    The problem with Shield is that it’s a niche thing. It’s not meant to be in every home. And this obviously won’t be either. The pricetag alone ensures that.

    @71 You can always lower the settings to match console specs though. The problem is really in the optimization. If the port is poorly optimized, then you might not be able to match console performance.

    #72 11 months ago
  73. pcbros

    @67 – If you are one of those families above, what would you choose a Windows PC for $500 or a Mac PC for $900?

    Apple has always been way more expensive than it’s competition but that hasn’t stopped people from buying it. Some people want the best. Consoles provide the acceptable, not the best (in terms of performance).

    Steam will be offering the best… along side other options.

    #73 11 months ago
  74. monkeygourmet

    @71

    I think the idea would be, that you culd wring more out of your hardware because of Valve’s game-centric OS…

    Also, it would hopefully bring more (although not console like) parity to PC gaming…

    Or something like that!

    #74 11 months ago
  75. CyberMarco

    @73

    Are you implying that Apple offers “the best”?

    #75 11 months ago
  76. DSB

    @73 Do you really need me to pull up the stats showing how many Macs are sold for every PC? It’s very very few.

    I think it’s pretty obvious from what Newell has said that this is about the livingroom. This is about Valve reaching in and grabbing some console guys so they can grow their platform.

    They’ve already conquered the PC, and now they want new blood.

    You’re not gonna get that by making a niche machine like a Mac.

    This is about mass appeal.

    #76 11 months ago
  77. monkeygourmet

    @72

    I honestly have no idea! :)

    All I know is MS & Sony went AMD and obviously Nvidia and Valve want to make some moves…

    The big dogs went with the cheap company, but the bigger company is sitting with the outsider…

    It’s going to be fun watching what happens, thats for sure!

    The more Nvidia links and attachs itself to the STEAM brand, the hotter this is going to get! :)

    #77 11 months ago
  78. pcbros

    @76 – You don’t, trust me I know. My point is, that even though Microsoft is dominating, there is still room for Apple.

    “This is about Valve reaching in and grabbing some console guys so they can grow their platform.”

    They will grab the people who complain about these systems not achieving 60fps @ 1080p ;)

    Valve might dream about grabbing the masses, but they aren’t stupid. They know they will have to start out with a small piece of the pie at first. They want to get their foot in the door. Eventually, they would hope to get a bigger piece of the pie.

    #78 11 months ago
  79. bradk825

    @72 AND 74

    Thanks guys, that’s helpful. I haven’t played a PC game in a long time so I am not so familiar with how they work now. Didn’t relize settings would be adjustable etc..

    Now I’m pretty interested. I hope they annouce a price soon.

    #79 11 months ago
  80. DSB

    @78 Hey, we can only hope that more people see the light and join the master race :P

    I think it’s pretty likely that people are just really bored with their technologically antique consoles and services right now, and that helps drive the sales. But obviously the people who are buying powerful rigs right now (and there are quite a few) probably aren’t in the market for an Xbone or PS4 right away.

    At least that’s the case for me. I opted to upgrade my PC instead. I don’t see myself jumping on any console until the first pricedrop at least.

    @77 That I agree with. It seems like Valve has compelled Nvidia and Linux to kiss and make up, so that bodes well for the future.

    #80 11 months ago
  81. monkeygourmet

    @78

    Exactly, and given that the ‘next gen’ of consoles won’t reach stability till at least 2015, there’s plenty of; time, rapidly changing tech and people after new experiences to tap into…

    #81 11 months ago
  82. monkeygourmet

    @80

    386 to 486? Riiiiiiight?! :)

    #82 11 months ago
  83. yeoung

    Specs seem pretty insane. Or completely reasonable, kinda depends on the pricetag(s).

    So far though, interesting controller, interesting OS, interesting business strategy… All it needs really are some interesting games.

    #83 11 months ago
  84. DSB

    @82 Lulz, I think I’ve actually been there and done that when I was around 7 or 8 years old :D

    I had a 386 laptop from my dads work, and then I got a 486. But I think the 486 was actually slower for some reason.

    It still kills me that we threw away the old 386. Oh man… It had the Johnny Castaway screensaver and everything.

    #84 11 months ago
  85. Dendroball

    #77 But how Nvidia will be making money with this Steam Box ? Selling a licence for their streaming tech ? Selling hardware that will have to be priced so competitively that it would belittle both next gen consoles ? How will they manage their margins while they snobbed Sony&MS because there was not enough money to be made ? And last but not least, how will they manage the risk of cannibalizing their own market of selling standalone graphics cards to the public masses ?

    #85 11 months ago
  86. pcbros

    Don’t forget, the XB1/PS4 will be exciting for a while but eventually the thunder dies down. People get used to the visuals.

    The Steam Machine can be upgraded. So in 3-5 years when a new hardware, game engine, or other technology is released, you could upgrade your Steam Machine. It will be exciting again. You won’t be stuck with the same level of performance for a whole decade.

    Also, that possibly $1k Titan Steam Machine might be a $500 Titan Steam Machine in a couple of years :)

    #86 11 months ago
  87. monkeygourmet

    @84

    I was crazy happy when we ugraded to 1 meg of RAM! ;)

    I’ve still got a old 3DFX kicking around somewhere!

    #87 11 months ago
  88. DSB

    @86 The problem is that publishers tend to get tunnel vision at the start of a new console generation. That happened with the 360 and PS3. Just blind excitement. The ports were just totally shit if they even existed, so that takes away some of the PC hype for a moment.

    I really hope they’re smarter this time around. I think there’s a good chance they will be, with the digital distribution services.

    Those weren’t there last time, and right now they’re obviously making more per PC copy sold than they are when they have to pay off manufacture, shipping and Gamestop.

    #88 11 months ago
  89. pcbros

    @82, 84 – My first IBM-compatible was a Compaq 386SX :)

    #89 11 months ago
  90. monkeygourmet

    @85

    I have no idea, but I guess because MS & Sony are using closed GPU’s there was no chance of Nvidia being able to offer them upgrades in the future?

    #90 11 months ago
  91. monkeygourmet

    @88

    I know what your saying, but it shouldn’t be the case this time round. Both machines are PC’s and Cerny has made a point of saying that even my Mum could make a game for the PS4 in 2 days…

    #91 11 months ago
  92. DSB

    @91 Oh yeah, good point. Porting should really be easier too.

    Somewhat, because the PC still has a lot more hardware to consider. But at least they’re speaking the same language.

    #92 11 months ago
  93. Keivz

    If we’re taking names on predictions, put me on the list that says ‘This thing will fail’.

    There are some folks being way to optimistic here. The lay public will fear this thing because of brand unfamiliarity and it’s inevitably high price tag (price alone dooms this thing). Plus, I doubt developers will be looking forward to coding for a new OS and all the headaches that are sure to come with it; they are already stretched thin enough as it is. And publishers will not want to risk putting high profile games on something that is sure to have a very, very small install base.

    Moreover, as has been said, having separate configurations means a lack of optimization, and using non-AMD parts means no Mantle, and thus no ‘coding to the metal’ meaning the price/performance ratio will not be as favorable as with existing/upcoming consoles. And finally, the elephant in the room, this thing is already out–minus the unfamiliar OS of course–it’s called a gaming PC. Easy to build yourself and hookup to your living room TV…

    Really, this thing has fail written all over it.

    #93 11 months ago
  94. Moonwalker1982

    This ain’t aimed at the console market though, right? Cause with specs like these, no way they can price it like a Xbox One. So i really wonder what their plan is…who are they aiming for.

    #94 11 months ago
  95. Opalauge

    1. Valve is not challenging MS, Sony or Nintendo…they want to challenge Apple.

    2. too many diffenrent specs, so no efficient mass production and higher costs -> price.

    3. Steam OS is not a OS like Windows. it is a OS for the Steam Client. if they waive Windows, the waive many multimedia possibilitys and game markets (browsergames and the majority of the F2P market) and they will also not be able to compete in any way with the multimedia-offer of the XOne and PS4.

    so this is a PC, not a console and PC and MAC are the opponents, not the consoles.

    #95 11 months ago
  96. monkeygourmet

    @94

    And this is the interesting thing… They must have had that exact meeting…

    The new controller shows new direction, it’s just putting all the pieces together…

    @93

    This is also interesting, because if this fucks up, it’s a huge blow to Valve / STEAM and can leave the doors open for MS in some respects… It’s all or nothing and I think Nvidia are a good partner in that respect… Especially because they are pissed at AMD…

    I can see MS and EA getting closer in all f this though…

    @95

    If thats the case it’s a pre-emptive strike as Apple has yet to fully infiltrate the front room space… (not saying your wrong btw, just the obvious comparison is a console type device)…

    #96 11 months ago
  97. Dendroball

    #90 Well I would say they were already doing that by selling graphics cards to people so they can upgrade their PC configuration. Anyway what I want to mean is that they can’t maintain two parallel markets, one with full price hardware for common custom PC builds and another one with lowered prices for Steam Box upgrades, this thing just won’t fly … So in the end, they will have to lower the price of their hardware accross the board, I will be totally fine with it if possible even if feeling a bit ripped off for my past purchases of their brand.

    #97 11 months ago
  98. monkeygourmet

    @97

    Yes, I think that in a way, Nvidia know that they like to release new cards before the last one has even used 60% of it’s true power (as is the PC space), so, in a way, this may hinder there strategy…

    But, if they percieve MS / Sony as a future threat, maybe they will shake up their business model with someone like Valve for the greater good? :)

    #98 11 months ago
  99. Opalauge

    @96

    in fact, this is what Gabe Newell from Valve said! they aim for market share from Apple and their multimedia devices in the first place.

    #99 11 months ago
  100. Clupula

    As someone who doesn’t play PC games, I see the ability to customize it as a bad thing. It’s part of why I don’t play PC games. I don’t like having to upgrade components all the time. I just want one box that plays all the games I want without me ever having to touch it until the next generation comes along. If they suddenly make it so there are games that will require more memory to run better (or to run at all) or if I’d have to upgrade my video card or whatever…I don’t know how to do that and I don’t care to learn how to do that.

    Of course, I know enough to know how much more powerful than a PS4/XB1 this is, but if you recall, the 3DO was vastly more powerful than a Genesis/SNES and that flopped badly because of price and a lack of universal insides in the various 3DO models.

    The price is going to be the hugest factor of all with this. Anything above $500 and no one but PC elitists will buy it.

    #100 11 months ago
  101. monkeygourmet

    Occulus Rift also has a more spiritual home here, and now with John Carmack in tow, it could be big for the Steam Machine.

    #101 11 months ago
  102. pcbros

    @100 – Yet people paid $600 for a PS3? When did $500 become the limit?

    @93 – If Valve puts a Kiosk in Best Buy showing how games look on the Steam Machine vs XB1/PS4, people will take notice. Will it be more expensive? Sure. But like I said, some people want the best and will pay for it.

    Building a gaming PC is not exactly something everyone wants to do. So people who are curious about getting into PC gaming might look at the Steam Machine.

    Also, if developers optimize their game based on the GTX660 for example, that would create some unity. Everything higher than the GTX660 would benefit from higher resolution, framerate, detail and other things but people with a GTX660 would still get an optimized, solid performing game a la PS4/XB1.

    I think Valve thought this through…

    #102 11 months ago
  103. Citrus raptor

    *Sigh*

    Looks like yet another ‘console’ I’ll have to buy in order to play some exclusive games…

    I don’t know what Valve actually want with this endeavour, but I get the impression that they’re–how should I put this–fighting their own ideals. Let me explain: they seem to like the idea of open source and open platforms and consoles/PCs, and they didn’t like where MS were taking Windows. So they decided to do it better themselves, by in the end having to make their games exclusive as a selling point. This is of course only if games such as Half Life 3 are exclusive.

    Would it be better if there weren’t any platforms at all, just component, and what would that result in? Would someone, perhaps someone who decides to make it easier for others by making and selling a ‘finnished’ box/PC/console, attempt to create a selling point for that particular system, thus creating a ‘console’? What would happen with operating systems, and how would one make money off of them? Would games and programs result in having their own ‘OS’ that ran on various hardware? Wouldn’t some just make them exclusive to cerain hardware again?

    In other words.. I’m not sure what Valve actually want… Other then to make money.

    #103 11 months ago
  104. Moonwalker1982

    @96

    Yes and quite an interesting looking controller too. I wonder if i can get used to those trackpad controls, instead of thumbsticks. But me as a huge consolegamer am definitely interested in this. Will be keeping my eyes on it. Especially if the price is right and with those awesome Steam game prices and perhaps the ease of use of consoles? (it’s aimed for the living room after all) and hopefully plenty of support from lots of publishers it can become big. It could become my new gaming system and make the Xbox One and PS4 the systems to go for its exclusives only.

    #104 11 months ago
  105. DSB

    @102 You can’t really set an exact price for a device, too many variables. Look at the number of iPhones and iPads flying off the shelves.

    Ultimately it depends on the product. The PC has a natural barrier to entry in that it’s complex – Which is what we want as users, we want to be able to do anything, right?

    Some people don’t. So that’s one barrier.

    The PS3 did well enough, but you also have to remember that Sony went from being the worlds dominant console manufacturer to third place. I think price played a role in that, but they also botched the launch.

    @Opalauge Actually what Gabe Newell said was that Apple would steamroll the current console manufacturers, and that Valve wanted to be ready for the onslaught when it comes.

    It’s a lot bolder than simply saying “We don’t want to compete with Microsoft and Sony”. He was actually saying that Microsoft and Sony are already beaten.

    #105 11 months ago
  106. monkeygourmet

    @100

    Yes, but when I decided on consoles, I didn’t expect things like not being able to log onto GTA online for 3 days and counting…

    Not saying that’s a good part of PC gaming, but it’s becoming more common for console gamers:

    Super quick to snap apps! But, wait for always online games to correct themselves… It’s a juxtaposition … New consoles are basically weak PC’s… That’s where Steam Machines come in…

    #106 11 months ago
  107. Fin

    LOL only 3GB GDDR5?

    PS4 has 8GB GDDR5

    This is like the wii u of pcs

    #107 11 months ago
  108. traumadisaster

    Few years ago I had to learn from a ice cold start how to build a pc. Would have saved tons of time with a quick sream box. Not for me now but was perfect for me 3-4 years ago. Might there be others like me ready to spend more money for gfx?

    #108 11 months ago
  109. Hcw87

    @107
    I really hope you’re joking.

    It has 16GB of GDDR3 RAM and the GPU has 3GB GDDR5 RAM which is probably twice the amount it will ever need to use for the next 3-5 years.

    #109 11 months ago
  110. dizzygear

    Awesome. Sounds like Valve is going for low/mid/high SKU’s that can be modded and upgraded. I’m really looking forward to more details.

    #110 11 months ago
  111. XanderZane

    How many PC gamers will move over to the Steam Machine? I wonder how much these babies will cost?

    #111 11 months ago
  112. Clupula

    @102 – Is your memory really that short? People didn’t buy the PS3 at $600. It was actually considered quite a flop until it got its first big price reduction. Up until then it had record lows for console sales (although the Wii U has since done worse). When asked why most consumers didn’t buy it, price was a common complaint.

    #112 11 months ago
  113. BrahManDude

    i rather buy one of these machines than build one myself but i wonder how much it will cost.

    #113 11 months ago
  114. Erthazus

    @107, Moron, it’s 3 GB of Video memory. PS4 and Xbox One combined has LESS.

    And it has 16 GB Of ram.

    this Steam machine is more powerfull than 4 PS4 or 4 Xbox One’s.
    CPU alone destroys everything with excellent next generation and the latest videocards like Titan that is from Supercomputer hardware.

    #114 11 months ago
  115. Citrus raptor

    @114

    Are you under the assumption that MS and Sony should have made their consoles as powerful as the Steam Machine, in order to have worthwhile consoles? Or would they have failed even if they were even more powerful, i.e is power the only aspect of a console?

    If not, what else will the Steam Machine be able to do, besides playing games? (keyboard & mouse?)

    #115 11 months ago
  116. Francis O

    LOL, its great seeing all these PS4 and Xbox One graphics whores eat CROW now that the Steambox absolutely crushes their favorite systems graphically.

    That’s why it’s good to tout the games more, not the graphics. But since Valve has created a system so powerful, with free online and cheaper games…I think I’ll buy that instead of a PS4 or Xbox One next year.

    Exactly what is the need to purchase a Xbox One or PS4 now? Sony and MS better hope Valve doesn’t entice Square Enix to put FF15 or KH3 on the Steambox…. then I really don’t need a PS4.

    Wii U + Steambox is good for me. Got the strongest system and the best first party games.

    #116 11 months ago
  117. Citrus raptor

    @116

    Since when have PS4 and Xbox One fanboys been THE graphics whores? Sure they have been bickering about which console will be the most powerful, but it’s usually the PC fanboys who praise graphics over everything else. Like now, when it’s revealed that the Steam Machine is more powerful…

    If graphics isn’t that big of a deal, this news shouldn’t be that big of a deal.

    #117 11 months ago
  118. DSB

    @117 No doubt that those people exist, but personally I think power is a lot more interesting in terms of what it allows game designers to do.

    It seems to me it’s a lot harder for devs to make those genuinely huge experiences on the current hardware. BF3 would be an obvious example. 32 players on consoles, 64 on the PC. The original Crysis would be another.

    Obviously right now the scope is about to be expanded, but with Moore’s Law in the back of your mind, the boundaries are being pushed at a furious rate, and game design simply can’t follow it because consoles won’t be able to run it.

    That’s not universal though, of course there are limits to how far a developer really wants to go, but they really can’t go as far as possible.

    #118 11 months ago
  119. Clupula

    @117 – Don’t pay attention to the troll. He just comes here to try to feel like his life means something. He’ll say something nonsensical with the hope that people will bite and argue with him and then he’ll make comments about my Youtube channel, as if number of subscriptions is something to care about, and make up some lame nickname for LegendaryBoss. Then he’ll challenge everybody to a debate or promote his little fanboy website. He might even tell us all how much more important he is than everybody else because he has a bunch of neckbeard permavirgins who actually look at him as a source of news. He knows, just as well as you do, how silly his comment was, but he’s hoping to bait some of us in.

    #119 11 months ago
  120. monkeygourmet

    @119

    Having a website that gets paid hits makes him your boss from an internet perspective? Oh sheeeeit…! That can’t feel good!

    #120 11 months ago
  121. Citrus raptor

    @118

    Yeah, this generation has lasted a little too long. The Last of Us seems like a punctuation of sorts, of what this era can do, and that game doesn’t do much more technical stuff than graphics.

    As for the comming one, I cannot complain. Using The Last of Us again, it’s done with 256 mb of ram (for graphics. correct me if I’m wrong), that’s insane. My laptop back in 2003 had more! And now 5-7gb or whatever it is. Surely that’ll give us some great looking games for the coming 3-4 years? (and hopefully implement more interesting tech that can be translated to new gameplay, and not only better visuals).

    I mean, what should MS and Sony have done, made the consoles twice as powerful? Would that even sell, considering the price it would have?

    @119

    As a relatively new guy on this site, it seems I have much to learn…

    #121 11 months ago
  122. Dragon

    Oh Valve….

    Sorry, but Valve isn’t going to change shit. It cant compete with consoles. IDC predicts console digital sales may well exceed ENTIRE PC digital market soon.

    Price and convenience, something Valve cant compete on.

    I really cant believe people think THIS is something game changing. More like some (not all) Sony/MS haters or Ninty and PC lovers getting wet thinking about Sony/MS going down… in their dreams.

    #122 11 months ago
  123. sebastien rivas

    Wowww nice spec which leads to high price considering the GPU lineups. I did not expect this but why not and as long as I can mod it myself, I am all good to go.
    We can definitely tell the machine is set for years to come without a hicup but we will see potential only when developers will explore its potential rather than follow lowest common denominator in terms of platform power house.

    Impressive, impressive.

    What is next beside haptic controller, and steambox hardware, and linux/Valve.
    Will we see also more family oriented applications such as family movie channels, Netflix, Amazon etc…
    A sweet steam VOIP or video call for free perhaps?
    Hope I can use my steam keys for steambox…

    Good start, let’s see what is next.

    #123 11 months ago
  124. lubu

    wow, weakest specs are more than twice powerfull than ps4 ,lol.

    #124 11 months ago
  125. pcbros

    @112 – From what I could research, the PS3 sold close to 4 million units it’s first year. While Xbox 360 should around 6 million. Second, while the price was a factor, the lack of games was a big reason it didn’t sell as projected. Finally, the PS3 while on paper looked superior, the games looked comparable to the Xbox 360 versions. So why pay more for equal performance? But if the PS3 smoked the Xbox in performance… How different would those sales figures be?

    The Steam Machine’s games will show a substantial increase in performance and quality when compared to it’s XB1/PS4 versions. You can hear the cries about these consoles not producing the golden 60fps @ 1080p mark. Second, if the Steam Machine can achieve the PS3′s initial sales, Valve will be a happy camper.

    Remember, Valve isn’t out to dominate the living room space overnight.

    #125 11 months ago
  126. Gekidami

    If you take into account the moment both consoles were available world wide, then the 360 sold 8.9 million in its first year and the PS3 8.7 million. So you’re both off.

    And Dragon is sadly right. This whole Steam Box phenomenon isnt fuelled by a need to see innovation or even better games, its powered by PC fan tard hatred for consoles before anything else. The idea that this could (it wont but the fantasy is there) harm consoles makes the dumb PC masses jizz in their pants.

    Of course being realistic it has no mass market appeal because its too obscure, too complicated and going ot be too expensive. For those reasons alone it wont touch consoles, even Steam itself, a service you can sign up to for free, available on a platform billions have access to only reported 50 million users, what like, a year ago? 2 maybe? Steam as a free easily available service since 2003 has less users than the consoles have sales, thats sales as in people put money down to buy them new, at least paying over 200 since 2005.

    I get that Steam is great value and does some cool stuff, but sorry guys, it really isnt the massively important revolution you make it out to be. And neither will the Steamboxes.

    #126 11 months ago
  127. Edo

    Well that escalated quickly…

    #127 11 months ago
  128. Dragon

    @125,
    Valve matching even poor PS3 launch performance…what would that mean anyway? PCs with SteamOS installed? Because that makes no sense and frankly irrelevant. And why would ANY hardware “Steam machine” manufacturer pay even a dime to Valve? Steam OS is free after all. How can Valve make money out of “Steam machines”?

    Food for thought to all, what is a steam machine btw? A PC with Steam OS installed? How is it a console then? How is it different from a PC with Steam controller? It even requires Windows PC to run Windows games, which beat SteamOS (aka linux) lineup to the punch. What in the hell is its USP?
    And most importantly from biz perspective, how does Valve profit from this? Steam OS is free after all.

    In all this enthusiast driven hoopla, NONE of the major hurdles were even addressed by Valve. Most importantly, price.
    Titan alone comes at 1000 bucks. LOL.

    All said, I wouldreally like if Valve can have offered a viable competitor to big2 since competition could only be good for consumers, but its highly doubtful right now.

    #128 11 months ago
  129. CyberMarco

    ^ Valve for sure will get a cut from the games that will be sold through Steam, like it’s done today.

    Now for SteamBox in the other hand your guess is good as mine…

    #129 11 months ago
  130. Francis O

    @ 119 Clupula

    - Don’t be mad cause you’re Youtube is insignificant :D

    Try a little harder and you might be somebody.

    You were the one calling Wii U last generation because of power, now this Steambox is far more powerful than you’re preferred companies system…..and you mad!

    #130 11 months ago
  131. CyberMarco

    ^ It’s your*

    Also PC gaming isn’t divided in generations, the very least you can define the hardware in generations, like first gen i7 CPUs etc.

    The WiiU is indeed an 8th generation console per se, but you wont see any game that will be on the PS4/XB1 or PC on it.

    #131 11 months ago
  132. monkeygourmet

    Price is still difficult to fathom.

    Saying a Titan is £900 is largely irrelevant. It’s not quite the same as Sony / MS but it’s like saying the GDDR5 in the PS4 costs £200 therefore the machine isn’t viable.

    Also, titan is ne end of the spectrum, beating the PS4 GPU won’t be that difficult or expensive atall given the modest specs of next gen.

    #132 11 months ago
  133. monkeygourmet

    When you have trust in a company, you fill in the gaps.

    Sony announced the PS4 in feb, without showing alot of important information yet fanboys loved it. Sony does have history, but they made some awful decisions with the PS3 and other products.

    We just need more time to see whats going on with the Steam Machine.

    #133 11 months ago
  134. manamana

    I cancelled all my nextgen pre-orders long ago, as I didn’t find them compelling enough for day one. Valve on the other hand gets all my money! Whenever they are ready – I’m in! I trust them and their business sense.

    #134 11 months ago
  135. viralshag

    The Steambox is not “next gen”. It’s just a PC with the Valve logo. It has hardware that’s available now which makes it just like every other PC out there.

    #135 11 months ago
  136. Kreion

    @132

    No, it’s a perfectly valid point. Saying the exact price may be pointless but pointing out that these system specs are outrageously expensive is a very valid point. And have you forgotten that price tends to go up in smaller systems, not down (consoles not withstanding). Look at laptops and such, a good laptop is going to set you back far more than a good PC.

    I simply can’t believe you’d go “beating the PS4 GPU won’t be that difficult” – well obviously, even a trained monkey could tell you that. But you can also argue that for a PC. The problem is that people won’t get that system if it cost too much – you may as well get a PC which can do, you know, more than one thing? A £800 Steam box can beat a £400 console? Wow…that’s like, impressive right?

    Honestly unless the lowest rung of their specs is competitive with consoles (which seems hard considering their lowest specs) then these Steam machines just have exactly the same problems which consoles have always had. Price v.s Performance. Plus they won’t even have the benefit of extreme optimization since people can have different specs.

    #136 11 months ago
  137. Francis O

    @131 CyberMarco

    “The WiiU is indeed an 8th generation console per se, but you wont see any game that will be on the PS4/XB1 or PC on it.”

    - False, DreamFall The Longest Journey is coming to the PC, PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U. DreamPark Tycoon is also coming to the PS4, PC, Xbox One and Wii U.
    http://playeressence.com/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey-confirmed-for-wii-u/
    http://playeressence.com/dreampark-tycoon-announced-for-next-generation-systems-pc/

    - Booya bitch

    - Might want to do a little more research before you say stupid things. Because YOUR whole argument has just been crushed by two games.

    - Generations are determined by time of release, not power.

    #137 11 months ago
  138. monkeygourmet

    @136

    I agree, but I also think Valve must have had these discussions.

    If they haven’t figured out a way of making this work, it will be a huge blw to them.

    Im willing to see how this pans out rather than declare ‘It can’t possibly work, how preposterous!’ just because it doesn’t fit into my view. There is always room for disruption devices.

    It wasn’t long ago that Sony & MS entered the console market…

    #138 11 months ago
  139. Dragon

    @CM,
    THAT is the thing. I am sure nobody in their right mind thinks Valve isn’t doing all this just for charity.

    WHERE IS THE MONEY? WHY WOULD THEY SUSTAIN IT IF THERE IS NO MONEY?

    Questions like that are just unanswered.

    Just to add, as I said earlier, I would be all the more happy if Valve can emerge as a competitor, but Valve doesn’t do hardware. Console biz works on taking minimal profits on hardware/or losses and recuperating it in software sales. Valve cant do that. Hell, even a ex-MS guy said that MS wanted to do only software, but no hardware manufacturers are stupid enough to cede lucrative software to them and do just small profit hardware.

    Another thing, I am quite positive Valve knows all these challenges, its just that people should temper their expectations.

    @137,
    How pathetic. Linking you own site.
    “Because YOUR whole argument has just been crushed by two games. ”
    Really? How pathetic can you be? What about Thief,Witcher 3, NFS Rivals, even FIFA14 LOL which is out of almost every system imaginable except fail wiiu.
    How about the Zelda fail in Japan. Quite sure your fanboy site ignored it.

    #139 11 months ago
  140. Erthazus

    Oh look two Playstation fanboys came to the thread. Gekidami and Sony246.

    Both of them never used Steam and both of them have no idea how Valve is going to make money and how will distribute this thing.
    and they don’t even know that Steammachines no one saw. This is a prototype. A very powerfull one prototype.

    and if someone thinks that there is no appeal you can ask Sony and Micfrosoft that are watching at Steam so hard.

    Gosh, idiots at best.

    #140 11 months ago
  141. CyberMarco

    @Francis -.-

    Ok, maybe I didn’t make my point clear. I meant not every major hardware-demanding next-gen game that will be available on PS4/XB1 and PC, will be available on WiiU. Games like The Division, The Crew, those Dragon mentioned and many more.

    Also that’s the first time I hear about those 2 games.

    “Boo-ya niggah”

    @Erth what’s the difference of any dedicated-gaming PC and a SteamBox? The only game-changing thing is SteamOS and probably Steam-controller. Sure those may turn out to be revolutionary for sure, but apart from that the SteamBox is just a custom PC.

    #141 11 months ago
  142. manamana

    @CM let me answer this: it doesn’t need Windows. Enough said.

    #142 11 months ago
  143. viralshag

    @140, what’s wrong with speculating on price and distribution? They are essentially entering the console/hardware domain which is something completely unknown to them. They may be king in the digital space but that’s about where it ends.

    And does this seriously appeal to you? Someone who no doubt has a better PC already? It certainly doesn’t appeal to me, the pad definitely does but the Steam Box looks like a waste of money if bought by an already established PC gamer. It would be like me buying two PS4s rather than a PS4 and a XB1.

    #143 11 months ago
  144. Dragon

    Oh look, Nvidia Shield fanboy comes back again.
    What happened to Shield? LOL.

    #144 11 months ago
  145. CyberMarco

    @142 Yet 95% of Steam games run only on Windows…

    With a quick calculation Steam has approximately 2200 games for Windows, 525 games for Mac and 200 games for Linux.

    #145 11 months ago
  146. monkeygourmet

    @145

    That’s 190 more games than the Wii U, Zing! :)

    #146 11 months ago
  147. fihar

    I fail to see how this could be a game changer. The only ones who’d purchase something like this would be the very same people who find pleasure in reading 16GB DDR3, i.e. the current crop of PC gamers.

    Unless of course, Valve could somehow price this machine competitively, but unlike MS and Sony, they have no way of balancing the hardware loss with software sales and online subscriptions so I don’t see that happening.

    #147 11 months ago
  148. nollie4545

    I bet the lower end machine is comparable in price to the Xb1 and PS4. The higher end machine will be of comparable price to a high end mac or total enthusiast PC.

    I don’t think Valve are trying to compete with PCs per se, they they just want a bigger platform for their Steam marketplace. This device will widen the appeal of steam to more users, rather than just PC enthusiasts.

    It is clear that any steam game will eventually be ported to work under linux and Windows so they get maximum market exposure.

    I won’t be buying this console/box, I am already a loyal steam user, no month goes by without me donating yet more cash to them as they offer me ridiculous deals etc , it is clear Valve aren’t after me because I can’t see they will make a killing on the hardware itself given the high end nature of it- Nvidia and Intel components are not cheap.

    This is the thinking mans console.

    #148 11 months ago
  149. Francis O

    @139 Dragon

    “Really? How pathetic can you be? What about Thief,Witcher 3, NFS Rivals, even FIFA14 LOL which is out of almost every system imaginable except fail wiiu”

    How is it pathetic linking my own site? That’s where I could find the information the fastest. I think you’re mad you don’t have your own site.

    - Did you even pay attention to the initial claim by CyberMarco?
    He said that no games that are coming to the PS4, Xbone, and PC are coming to Wii U. And I proved him wrong with two games.

    - Thief, NFS Rivals, FIFA, are all coming to PS3 and Xbox 360….so I don’t even know why you’re listing those games.

    - Just another dumbass drone who fails in reading comprehension.

    “How about the Zelda fail in Japan. Quite sure your fanboy site ignored it.”

    What Zelda fail? The game charted 7th, and it sold more than the Metal Gear Solid Collection in Japan. The Wind Waker HD is a remake, Exactly how much were you expecting it to sell? Not to mention, Zelda is always a title that sells better in America. The Wind Waker on Gamecube barely broke 1 million units sold, and Skyward Sword didn’t even reach that.

    Want to compare the sales of Sony’s games to Nintendo’s games in Japan? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

    #149 11 months ago
  150. Francis O

    @ CyberMarco, Imma start calling you Crberdumbass ….

    “Ok, maybe I didn’t make my point clear. I meant not every major hardware-demanding next-gen game that will be available on PS4/XB1 and PC, will be available on WiiU. Games like The Division, The Crew, those Dragon mentioned and many more.”

    - LOL! More like you DIDNT KNOW Those games were coming to Wii U as well as PS4 and Xbox One.

    - Hardware-demanding next-gen game…..? Wait, so you know how hard DreamFall is pushing the Xbox One and PS4? LOL….what are you a programmer now? Its about optimization.

    - Those that Dragon mentioned? That dumbass mentioned: Need for Speed Rivals, FIFA 14, and Thief….those games are coming to the PS3 and Xbox 360. Same goes for Battlefield, WatchDogs, COD, Assassin’s Creed, and many other “next-gen” games.

    - The Crew and The Division run in 30fps and might not even be native 1080p both could be ported to Wii U if Ubisoft wanted to.

    “Boo-ya niggah”

    - LOL, boo-ya “niggah” LOL what did you prove? You only proved your inability to research before you go running your mouth like a jackass. LOL, boo-ya nothing.

    #150 11 months ago
  151. Lengendaryboss

    @127
    Beat me to it.

    What the? What have i missed?

    Someone link my gifs, i’m eating cereal.

    #151 11 months ago
  152. Lengendaryboss

    I’ll join in whenever.

    #152 11 months ago
  153. Lengendaryboss

    Oh Francis is defending Wii U while insulting oh look the sky is cloudy.

    Wii U is next gen? People remember Francis lives in his own world with his own set of definitions.

    Honor Nintendo fanboy.

    Edit: Linking his own website to prove his own point, makes sense no one knows his world better than him.

    #153 11 months ago
  154. monkeygourmet

    http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/improvisation-win-popcorn.jpg

    #154 11 months ago
  155. pcbros

    I don’t see Valve sitting in their round table saying, “If we launch a $1500 console, we have the possibility of over-throwing Sony & Microsoft!”. Some people are not giving Valve any credit. Who in their right mind would think that?

    What if they have a deal with Nvidia? Those GPU’s could easily cost a lot less than if we bought them ourselves. AMD threw a jab at Nvidia by providing it’s tech to the XB1/PS4… whose to say Nvidia isn’t going to counter attack with their own deal?

    Also, calling it a PC in a box with a Steam logo is like calling an Xbox One a PC in a box with an Xbox logo.

    Some people accuse PC elitists of being overly optimistic but then again we can easily say console fanboys are being overly pesimistic. Especially when at the end of the day, none of us know exactly what Valve has planned.

    But we know this for sure, they have Microsoft’s and Sony’s attention (as well as mine :)). Why would they be “watching carefully” a product, that like many have pointed out, is simply a PC? The PC is already out… what’s the concern then? Hmmm….

    #155 11 months ago
  156. fihar

    @Francis
    Isn’t it rather telling that next-gen titles that are also coming out for the PS360 can’t even be bothered to come to the Wii U as well?

    #156 11 months ago
  157. monkeygourmet

    @pcbros

    this.

    Even being the only company to be able to tap into Nvidia’s streaming tech would be a huge bonus to both sides in the future.

    Not to mention things like HL3, Portal 3 & L4D3 launching on the service first & SOURCE Engine 2…

    #157 11 months ago
  158. Francis O

    @153 Legendaryjackass

    I was wondering when you were going to hop in and blindly follow anybody who says anything against me.

    “Edit: Linking his own website to prove his own point, makes sense no one knows his world better than him.”

    Linked my own site to prove my point. Which I did well.

    @fihar

    What does that tell? Some developers are developing their games for for Wii U, some aren’t.

    I got a PS3 and Xbox 360. I didn’t buy a Wii U to play Need for Speed Rivals or Battlefield. Nor do I need 5 different systems to play the same multiplats.

    However, there are still some multiplats like Watch Dogs, Call of Duty, and Assassin’s Creed coming to the Wii U if anybody cares.

    I bought a Wii U for exclusives like Mario, Zelda, Sonic Lost World, Smash Bros, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Fire Emblem, Star Fox, ect

    #158 11 months ago
  159. Dragon

    “What Zelda fail? The game charted 7th, and it sold more than the Metal Gear Solid Collection in Japan. The Wind Waker HD is a remake, Exactly how much were you expecting it to sell? Not to mention, Zelda is always a title that sells better in America. The Wind Waker on Gamecube barely broke 1 million units sold, and Skyward Sword didn’t even reach that. ”
    So much fail Francis, so much fail. Keep spinning.
    And what are you saying? IS ZELDA FRANCHISE DYING IN JAPAN? Looks like a yes.
    Oh, what happened to “2 people told my site my dear Ninty will buy Atlus”?

    “Want to compare the sales of Sony’s games to Nintendo’s games in Japan? Yeah, I didn’t think so.”
    Eh? Ninty dominates handhelds, Sony dominates home consoles. Handhelds are bigger than consoles there. Sorry fanboy, truth is truth. No spin required.

    Fail harder next time. Now run away.

    2 PEOPLE TOLD ME ABOUT ABOUT NINTY BUYING ATLUS!

    #159 11 months ago
  160. Lengendaryboss

    @Francis
    “How is it pathetic linking my own site? That’s where I could find the information the fastest. I think you’re mad you don’t have your own site.” “The Crew and The Division run in 30fps and might not even be native 1080p both could be ported to Wii U if Ubisoft wanted to.”

    Based on what? Two people? Your own knowledge? Actually i’m not sorry your like that child who gloats he has something but no one gives a shit. How is it pathetic linking your own site to prove a point you are making? If you can’t see you need to go specsavers.

    “Thief, NFS Rivals, FIFA, are all coming to PS3 and Xbox 360….so I don’t even know why you’re listing those games.” Not on Wii U, i don’t think his point was not on PS3/360 in addition to Wii U.

    “Just another dumbass drone who fails in reading comprehension.”
    Get off you high horse yours is much worse: Games = system sellers. As much as possible = completely possible. I think your reading and memory skills elude you. Rely on = equal sales

    “Zelda is always a title that sells better in America.” Just like The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3, oh wait wrong again.

    “He said that no games that are coming to the PS4, Xbone, and PC are coming to Wii U. And I proved him wrong with two games.”
    Can you find major publishers instead of what you found? No? end of discussion. Just like you proved us wrong on MGS 5 coming to Wii U, based on two people oh wait?

    “LOL! More like you DIDNT KNOW Those games were coming to Wii U as well as PS4 and Xbox One.” Is the games like The Division, The Crew, those Dragon mentioned and many more.” announced? No? Until said otherwise it is not coming, unless you have two people insider knowledge your just grasping at straws.

    “You only proved your inability to research before you go running your mouth like a jackass”
    Yes hows Gamefreak being completely owned by Nintendo going for you? You didn’t research that until i pointed it out: so another point which you fail to do.

    #160 11 months ago
  161. CyberMarco

    @Francis

    I think you have a problem with understanding what other people say, and express your opinion in a more educated and civil way.

    1) I really didn’t know a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g about those games, nor if they were going to be available on PS4/XB1.

    2) I didn’t mean anything about optimization but rather games that have an elevated demand of capable hardware. In other words games that wouldn’t make it to PS3 and XB360 too.

    3) His point was that those games wont be on Wii-U, regardless of being on PS360 or not, but being available on next-gen.

    4) If, maybe, when, or blah blah blah.

    Also I don’t have to prove anything with “Boo-ya niggah”. You were the smart-ass saying “Booya bitch”. What did you try to prove?

    #161 11 months ago
  162. pcbros

    Let’s be fair…

    The Wii U is a next-gen Nintendo console. It’s graphically superior compared to the Wii. I love Nintendo games myself, so I plan to get one at the right momment.

    It’s not geared to compete head on with the XB1/PS4. It’s meant to be the fries that go along with your burger.

    #162 11 months ago
  163. Lengendaryboss

    @158
    “I was wondering when you were going to hop in and blindly follow anybody who says anything against me.”

    Unlike you Francis i don’t have time to spend in fairy land, fantasising about magic and what not: unlike you i stick to reality. If someone was liked you on here i would to do the same, its not something exclusive to you but it is ATM.

    Edit: Your only proving my point further: “Oh Francis is defending Wii U while insulting oh look the sky is cloudy.” “Legendaryjackass”

    #163 11 months ago
  164. Dragon

    “The Wii U is a next-gen Nintendo console.”
    Ok.

    “It’s not geared to compete head on with the XB1/PS4.”
    Uh?

    “The Wii U (ウィー ユー Wī Yū?, Pronounced /ˌwiː ˈjuː/) is a video game console from Nintendo and the successor to the Wii.[6] It is the first entry in the eighth generation of video game home consoles,[9][10][11] and will compete with Sony’s PlayStation 4 and Microsoft’s Xbox One.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U

    Sorry, you cant have both ways. Either it competes with 8th gen consoles or it isnt a 8th gen one.

    Random trivia- Most people buy only one console, and they don’t dwell on game forums (VG247 has “only” 2 million unique visitors, case in point).Telling a console is made as a “second choice” is essentially admitting its sales will be pathetically poor.

    #164 11 months ago
  165. Francis O

    Dragon

    “So much fail Francis, so much fail. Keep spinning.

    - Is that what you call getting owned by facts, and ignore that it outsold the MGS collection while you’re at it. :)

    Oh, what happened to “2 people told my site my dear Ninty will buy Atlus”?
    http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/18958/20130719/atlus-bankruptcy-nintendo-persona-5-acquisition.htm

    - I thought, like many other people did, that Ninty would buy Atlus, get over it.

    “Eh? Ninty dominates handhelds, Sony dominates home consoles. Handhelds are bigger than consoles there. Sorry fanboy, truth is truth. No spin required.”

    - Did the PS3 outsell the Wii in Japan? Ummm no? Please list all the games Sony has in the home console market for Japan that have outsold Nintendo’s first party Wii games like Super Smash Bros, Wii Sport, Wii Sports resort, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart Wii,

    The only game I can think of that is in the same league from Sony is Gran Turismo

    #165 11 months ago
  166. Lengendaryboss

    @Francis
    “Is that what you call getting owned by facts.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyKoIkgVBBI

    #166 11 months ago
  167. Francis O

    “Based on what? Two people? Your own knowledge? Actually i’m not sorry your like that child who gloats he has something but no one gives a shit. How is it pathetic linking your own site to prove a point you are making? If you can’t see you need to go specsavers.”

    How about based on the developer of The Crew
    http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/the_crew/news/ubisoft_aiming_for_locked_30fps_with_ps4_and_xbox_one_the_crew.html

    Do some research dumbass

    Just like The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3, oh wait wrong again.

    - You know the sales of The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 in America, physical and digital combined? Please do tell…. lol, you DONT know how much each title has sold in America

    “Yes hows Gamefreak being completely owned by Nintendo going for you? You didn’t research that until i pointed it out: so another point which you fail to do.”

    Nintendo does own GameFreak. You said they were a second party developer which would be similar to how RARE was…. but that is false. Nintendo is a majority owner. The Pokemon Company controls/owns the rest of them. But guess who owns a lot of The Pokemon company??? That’s right Nintendo.

    #167 11 months ago
  168. Dragon

    “http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/18958/20130719/atlus-bankruptcy-nintendo-persona-5-acquisition.htm

    - I thought, like many other people did, that Ninty would buy Atlus, get over it. ”

    So, that was the 2 PEOPLE WHO TOLD YOU NINTY WAS BUYING ATLUS? I thought you had 2 SOURCES, not “I thought so since I am a ninty fanboy”.
    LOL.

    “- Is that what you call getting owned by facts, and ignore that it outsold the MGS collection while your at it. :)
    Oh really? Add Vita and PS3 first week of MGS HD collection. Vita version ONLY opened at 30k, plus PS3 opened much higher.
    So, who got owned? Poor guy. At least get your facts straight, not that I expect anything better from you.

    #168 11 months ago
  169. Dragon

    “- You know the sales of The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 in America, physical and digital combined? Please do tell…. lol, you DONT know how much each title has sold in America ”

    And then,

    “Zelda is always a title that sells better in America.”

    Really, do you read your own comments? Or 2 people told this to you too.

    I really want to see those 2 people :D

    #169 11 months ago
  170. Francis O

    @169 – Dragon

    Oh really? Add Vita and PS3 first week of MGS HD collection. Vita version ONLY opened at 30k, plus PS3 opened much higher.

    I meant the legacy collection, because that came out in Japan THIS YEAR.

    Yes, Zelda sells better in Amerca.

    Skyward Sword and Wind Waker sold better in America

    I never predicted the sales of Wind Waker HD in america, I just stated Zelda titles USUALLY sell better in America which is true.

    Nice try though jackass

    #170 11 months ago
  171. pcbros

    @164 – “Sorry, you cant have both ways. Either it competes with 8th gen consoles or it isnt a 8th gen one.”

    Nintendo clearly said when they released the Wii that they were doing their own thing. At that momment, they decided to get off the path Microsoft and Sony were following and went on a different direction.

    Did the Wii compete with the PS3/360? Yes. But it wasn’t direct competition. They were targeting a different audience. So if they are not going after the same audience, how much competition can there really be?

    The Wii/Wii U is the ideal family entertainment system (Famicom, NES in Japan, if memory serves me right, actually stood for Family Computer… seems like Nintendo is sticking to being family friendly). The PS3/PS4 & XB360/XB1 are ideal for hardcore gamers.

    Not sure what the numbers are of people who purchased both a Wii along side a 360/PS3 but most of friends had both.

    #171 11 months ago
  172. Lengendaryboss

    @Francis
    This is what i was referring to: classic reading comprehension fails you. “could be ported to Wii U if Ubisoft wanted to.” And what is that based on? Two people? If so i’ll believe you :D

    “You know the sales of The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 in America, physical and digital combined? Please do tell…. lol, you DONT know how much each title has sold in America”

    Asking a rhetorical question you don’t know the answer to as well. You said both of those titles and Zelda would do better when it flopped in Japan and you can’t prove it: so your assumption is based on make believe.

    Okay Francis i want to see a link where is says Gamefreak are fully owned by Nintendo or we could move past this. They are second party.

    http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Game_Freak
    “Originally independent, since the release of Pokémon Red and Green in 1996, Game Freak has been a second-party developer for Nintendo, developing games exclusively for their hardware while remaining a separate company.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Freak
    Type: Private
    Right at the bottom there they are listed as second party.

    Prove otherwise unless you fail to do your research once again.

    #172 11 months ago
  173. Lengendaryboss

    @Francis
    “Zelda is always a title that sells better in America.” “I just stated Zelda titles USUALLY sell better in America which is true.

    Really? Do you read what you write?

    Always then usually.

    #173 11 months ago
  174. Dragon

    @171,
    I am not disputing that. But really, if its a 8th gen console, it competes with 8th gen consoles.

    @170,
    “I meant the legacy collection, because that came out in Japan THIS YEAR.”

    So you meant that you are celebrating Zelda sales since it outsold repackaged remake of HD remakes that launched 2 years ago?
    LOL. So sad how much Zelda has fallen that not even you can spin it.

    ” I just stated Zelda titles USUALLY sell better in America which is true. ”
    USUALLY?
    ““Zelda is ALWAYS a title that sells better in America.”
    Oh man….
    (LB beat me to it, damn you :D )

    What about Atlus? How about admitting that your self-made lies were wrong?
    2 PEOPLE TOLD ME! LOL.

    I am waiting for you to ignore Atlus again and just run away like the loser you are.

    #174 11 months ago
  175. monkeygourmet

    Dat feeling of superiority…

    #175 11 months ago
  176. Lengendaryboss

    @175
    Superiority? http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/326/4/b/I_Don__t_Feel_Good_gif_by_muffinpoodle.gif

    He brings it on himself, hypocrisy and contradiction are factors not so easy to overlook.

    Flaunting his website’s superiority is something no-one but himself wants.

    #176 11 months ago
  177. CyberMarco

    @Francis, did you forget me or something?

    @176 hahaha xD

    #177 11 months ago
  178. monkeygourmet

    @176

    You brought this on yourself! (Furiously types on keyboard) :)

    #178 11 months ago
  179. CyberMarco

    @monkey, so how is your PC coming up? I have some cool tips for PC maintenance and tweaking if you want.

    #179 11 months ago
  180. Clupula

    I feel like I should just change my name to Nostradamus, at this point.

    #180 11 months ago
  181. Joe Musashi

    Being right is superior to being wrong.

    JM

    #181 11 months ago
  182. monkeygourmet

    @181

    And: “He who goes through airport turnstyle sideways going to Bangkok”

    @179

    It’s going okay(ish). My car ate most of my spare cash, so am slowly clawing my way back. Inly have the GPU (the most expensive bit!) to get now. I just got the i7 CPU and NZXT Phantom case so were almost ready!

    Would love some tips when it’s done, at this rate Steam OS will be the first OS I install on it! ;)

    #182 11 months ago
  183. Dragon

    And so Francis run away….

    @180,
    No, that would be me!

    #183 11 months ago
  184. Francis O

    Dragon you sidestep all my rebuttals to you….

    How is Sony “king of home consoles?” What first party games does Sony have that outsell Nintendo’s first party games?

    And don’t talk about running. You’re the VG247 drone to scared to talk to me in person. I’ll completely crush you in a debate.

    You call me a fanboy but all you tout and play is Sony. LOL, you’re the only fanboy here dumbass, I got a PS3, PC, and Xbox 360. I even review and play muiltiple games on non-Nintendo systems. Meanwhile you sucking Sony off and bashing Nintendo every opportunity you get.

    CyberMacro

    I already proved your dumbass wrong with two games, then crushed your rebuttal. No need to talk about you anymore.

    Legendaryjackass

    So what are the sales of Pikmin 3 and The Wonderful 101 in North America? Because you said they didn’t sell well in America.

    #184 11 months ago
  185. Francis O

    That’s the funny thing about you clowns on VG247 – Dragon, Clupula, Legendaryboss.

    All you guys got so much to say about Nintendo, yet NONE of you guys even play Nintendo’s games.

    Legendaryjackass said he played ZombiU at a friends house, so he knows the game “Could” have sold more. LOL GTFO, no you didn’t. You Don’t play Nintendo’s games.

    Dragon has nothing good to say about Nintendo…really ever, and trolls the holy hell out of the Wii U. While pushing Sony. Meanwhile Sony lost 3.5 billion on the PS3 and the Vita is selling just as badly as the Wii U.

    You call me a fanboy yet I’m playing games on all systems, running a multiplatform site, covering gaming events for ALL Systems ect.

    If we did broadcast a debate, it would take me 2 minutes to prove I’m a bigger gamer than any of you jackasses, you guys are more of the fanboys than I’ll ever be. Half the shit I say on this site is just to rile you guys up, because I know it will.

    #185 11 months ago
  186. CyberMarco

    “Half the shit I say on this site is just to rile you guys up, because I know it will.”

    That doesn’t make them any more relevant or true…

    #186 11 months ago
  187. Dragon

    2 PEOPLE TOLD ME MY DEAR NINTY WILL BUY ATLUS!
    LOL.
    Still waiting. Run Francis Run.

    How about MGS HD outselling Zelda HD.
    Sad Ninty fanboy.

    ” Half the shit I say on this site is just to rile you guys up”
    That is a thing everyone agrees. Its just that you do the same thing at DualShockers and under games sites under Disqus name of Furious Francis, and DualShockers mod Nelva was laughing at you.

    Nothing bad though, since you yourself admitted the best you could do in life is to create a fanboy site to feed yourself.
    *facepalm*

    ” I’ll completely crush you in a debate. ”
    Like you run away everytime from me on VG247? LOL.

    #187 11 months ago
  188. Legendaryboss

    @Francis
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

    “yet NONE of you guys even play Nintendo’s games. “You Don’t play Nintendo’s games.”
    http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/04/pokemon-x-y-reviews-land-get-your-round-up-here/#comment-545910
    It must be amazing to make comments without any proof, a running trend i have noticed so far. This Nintendo made game called Fire Emblem Awakening in my 3DS says otherwise, bravo for trying and failing like usual.

    “You call me a fanboy yet I’m playing games on all systems, running a multiplatform site, covering gaming events for ALL Systems etc.”

    We have had this discussion before:
    Owning all systems and passionately defending Nintendo on every negative remark, attacking a mistake by Dave and attacking people who don’t agree with you etc. Those are two different things. As for the hypocrite: your attacking Dave for not knowing something while you clearly haven’t researched Gamefreak NOT being owned by Nintendo: thats the hypocrisy.

    I’m the fanboy? Using this word four/five times now: Prove it and while your at it prove i’m Nintendo hater, another thing in a long list you can’t prove. You never did.
    http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/27/watch-dogs-on-current-gen-requires-mandatory-install-comes-on-two-discs/#comment-543046

    “So what are the sales of Pikmin 3 and The Wonderful 101 in North America? Because you said they didn’t sell well in America.”

    Okay i don’t know that (at least i can admit that) and i never did say they didn’t sell well in America This comment: Just like The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3, oh wait wrong again. That was in contrast to your every exclusive is a system seller until it flops and then remove said game out of the list. I never said that. LOL I said.

    “Legendaryjackass said he played ZombiU at a friends house” Interesting you can remember something i said sometime ago but you seem to forget “Zelda is always a title that sells better in America.” “I just stated Zelda titles USUALLY sell better in America which is true.” Selective memory.

    “If we did broadcast a debate, it would take me 2 minutes to prove I’m a bigger gamer than any of you jackasses” Your like that child who gloats he has something but no one gives a shit. Oh so your using a hypothetical situation to gain superiority, okay…

    “Half the shit I say on this site is just to rile you guys up, because I know it will.” That just makes your a sad troll with clearly nothing else better to do.

    #188 11 months ago
  189. Legendaryboss

    Also how i’m supposed to have a debate with someone who backtracks, is a hypocrite, contradicts himself, clear fanboy with selective memory? i’ll be better of arguing at a wall with the magical chance it argues back.

    Maybe in Francis’ Fairy Land.

    #189 11 months ago
  190. viralshag

    @MG, what colour did you get the Phantom in and is it the 410 version or bigger? You’re copying my style… ;)

    #190 11 months ago
  191. monkeygourmet

    @Viral

    :) it’s a very nice case!

    I went for the black one int he end so it wouldn’t stick out as much when I have it in the front room. It’s bloody massive though! I think I have the midi but it was bigger than I expected, such a great looking case though! :)

    #191 11 months ago
  192. viralshag

    Yeah I have the black (with blue lighting) 410 and it’s pretty big. I thought it was even bigger than it is because it comes in the box with the front facing up, so I was thinking its almost as tall as the desk! Luckily it’s not so bad but yeah, as a case I absolutely love it.

    #192 11 months ago
  193. pcbros

    @190, 191 – Just make sure you have a well ventilated case. The Antec 900 has a monster 200mm fan on top to blow out the hot air.

    I’ve built a few high-end gaming rigs for clients and I’ve used this case. It hasn’t given me any problems to date. It’s not the most stylish case though, it’s moddest looking but well built.

    MG, what kind of video card are you looking into? I’ve been thinking of building a new rig with a GTX660 minimun but I feel like I need to wait and see what Valve puts out. Although, in my case, I need it to do other things like 3D animation as well. It wouldn’t be used just for gaming. So I need to see if SteamOS allows me to run traditional Linux software like Blender.

    I hope we get some more info before the year ends.

    #193 11 months ago
  194. Pytox

    Oh my these comments are too funnny :D haha

    #194 11 months ago
  195. monkeygourmet

    @193

    It’s going to have a GTX 780.

    It’s the last part I need to get. So far specs are:

    NZXT Phantom Case
    i7 Ivy Bridge
    Sabertooth Z77 Mobo
    16gb Corsair Vengence memory
    250 GB SSD Samsung Hard Drive (will get another for basic use)
    Samsung DVDRW
    Corsair 850w PSU

    After the 780 is in I’m hoping to get some good performance from Metro, Witcher 3 etc… Next gen consoles can be for exclusives! ;)

    680 is a nice GPU, and they were using it for next gen mock ups at all the trade shows so it should perform nicely for quite a while!

    #195 11 months ago
  196. ChunkyLover112

    Lol, Valve’s just realizing that PC gaming dead and making this piece of shit to compete with consoles. You’re a joke Valve! Just die already! Seriously, how on earth are they able to survive when there’s literally no one using they’re shit???

    #196 11 months ago
  197. sebastien rivas

    Guys,

    Some comments are so remote from this article that it feels it is turning into “bromance”, seriously!

    Note Valve: While those specs are shining and interesting, remember that cluttering yourself into a single brand is like shooting yourself in the foot. I do not hold the truth because I am unsure myself but I heard from AMD/ATI users that AMD and/or ATI were having difficulties here and then to get their drivers’ windows ready. Perhaps it is a good deal and in interest for Valve/Steam to offer Steanux ready drivers? or perhaps faster/quicker and as much performance tests as MS is doing and still offer as strong support for Nvidia or anyone else doing 3D cards if anything?

    #197 11 months ago
  198. pcbros

    @195 – The last gaming PC I built was about a year ago for a client and it was running an i7, Asus Sabretooth Mobo, 16GB Corsair RAM, Corsair 850W PSU :) The video card was a HD 7950 and the HDD was a standard 500GB.

    Then a gaming rig I built for another client, had a HD 5830 and he just upgraded to a GTX 780 (Titan Jr). I advised him to think twice because at $650 it’s not the best value. But if you want the best and can’t afford a Titan… then Junior will do ;)

    @197 – I just think that if they want to sign a deal with Nvidia and possibly score discount hardware, they might have to agree to use their video cards exclusively.

    #198 11 months ago
  199. Dragon

    So Francis runs away…again!

    #199 11 months ago
  200. Clupula

    @197 – And that is why I said to just ignore Francis,because he, by his own admission, just posts so that threads will become like this one did. I don’t believe in feeding him anymore.

    #200 11 months ago
  201. TheBlackHole

    I can’t believe nobody has mentioned the parallels between SteamOS and Android.

    And people thought that wouldn’t take off because of split hardware versions too.

    Write this of at your own peril.

    #201 11 months ago
  202. TheWulf

    @155

    I’ve actually seen just as much snobbery from console users as I have from PC users in my time. I think they’re one as bad as the other. And ‘elitism’ is just a term thrown at someone who doesn’t like the same brand as you.

    Look at Francis vs. The World and the bile on both sides, tell me it’s not true.

    #202 11 months ago
  203. TrickyAudio

    Nerd overdrive in here today.

    #203 11 months ago
  204. pcbros

    @201 – Good point.

    They are both based on open platforms, devices are built by different manufacturers, they come in all shapes and sizes with different specs
    and they are going up against companies that already have a stronghold on the market (Apple/Microsoft & Sony). If Android can survive and even grow with such diversity, why does the Steam Machine have to be based on unified hardware to succeed?

    The way I see it is that if it’s just a PC in a box or it has no chance to compete with Microsoft and Sony… why is Microsoft and Sony paying careful attention to what Valve is doing, it is just a PC right?

    If the big dogs don’t write the Steam Machine off, why should gamers with less knowledge and experience do it?

    #204 11 months ago
  205. monkeygourmet

    Also, I don’t know why the are bothering with the Titan? GTX 780 IS practically the same and half the price…

    #205 11 months ago
  206. nollie4545

    IF you possibly possibly can, hold on a few more months for the GTX 880, seriously just get a 560ti for now, anything, just wait for the 8 series to be released. Going to be a game changer!!!

    Then start saving for your Occulus rift!!!

    #206 11 months ago
  207. Diingo

    Consoles now are what cell phones were before Apple and Google entered the arena. The idea of a closed off OS for a specified box of hardware will seem archaic in a few years. SteamOS and Android could get along quite well if both are willing to cooperate. Google doesn’t get along well with Microsoft’s Windows, however Linux on desktops could provide a bridge for Android to connect with PCs efficiently. The Android market simply does not have the gaming power as Steam, if only the two could come together and benefit from each other.

    #207 11 months ago
  208. DSB

    You know what would be interesting though? Valve bruteforcing the hardware market by selling at a loss.

    I think it’s highly unlikely, because the competition is pretty fierce as it is, and the hardware is so much more expensive… But it would be a hell of a thing.

    #208 11 months ago
  209. sebastien rivas

    @206

    I take your word into account, thanks I am going to check what the 8 series brings on the table.

    @ 201
    Can you please emphasize? the parallels between SteamOS and Android…
    What makes you think or acknowledge Steam OS will be parallel to Android?

    @205
    Both seem almost the same and certainly ARE the same right now with today’s games. Though Titan do have a sweet core count bump over 780s. Although I would not get Titan because the core clock/core boost while ok for todays games will typically suffer in 2 years time. So I would say Titan is vowed to last longer than 780s but again the core clock and core boost will be its downfall down the road but not its core count, not its memory size.

    #209 11 months ago
  210. sebastien rivas

    @206

    I checked onto 8 series. I am wary about a single point, that is, Nvidia intention to redesign its architecture to lower consumption. While it is a good thing to lower consumption, I truly doubt Nvidia will play on both board of lowering consumption and bringing a true next gen GPU in terms of performance but keep a similar performance to 7 series with a slight bump and with a good load of PR. Let’s wait and see.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_800_Series

    #210 11 months ago
  211. nollie4545

    The 8 series GPUs will have a die shrink and process change, plus its on on board ARM CPU. This is cutting edge graphics card stuff. Every time they shrink the process and die, they get more power from less Watts, this is the difference between Fermi and Kepler, and Maxwell will do the same again.

    As for Titan, its a 780 on steroids designed for compute workloads as well. It is not worth the premium over a 780, seriously.

    I do not see what relevance Android has to the steam box, its obviously going to be a linux based system and I am sure Valve will want to sell hardware, even at a loss, in order to get Steam in front of more people and sell more games. The PS and MS store fronts are weak and crap by comparison, Valve know this, and now is the ideal time to grab market share. Forget the hardware, its the games they want to sell.

    #211 11 months ago
  212. sebastien rivas

    @211
    +1, I fully agree with your last paragraph.
    Although MS and Sony are light years away from having crap systems, it still makes me sad for MS because I am sure the APU and overall architecture am sure was not even a remote idea of their own. It just does not make sense to have a muscled company making a reversal of ideal decisions (power housing consoles).
    It is like having Windows 9 as good as windows 98, yooopiieee :) but hey the OS is not as big as windows 7 or 8 and will fit better in your SSD :)

    #212 11 months ago
  213. TheBlackHole

    @209

    “Can you please emphasize? the parallels between SteamOS and Android…
    What makes you think or acknowledge Steam OS will be parallel to Android?”

    Is it not patently obvious?

    Both SteamOS and Android are open, modifiable operating systems that run across a diverse range of hardware made from different manufacturers.

    MS and Sony are more like Apple – Closed hardware and (for the most part) software, with a small selection of hardware SKUs made only by first party.

    The reason for the comparison was this: People are saying Steambox won’t work because the variety of hardware becomes complicated and non-consumer friendly, which, when you look at the way Android is dominating the smartphone market, is not actually true at all. Consumers like choice. A Steambox could be anything from an ouya-level powered indie-game machine, to the biggest powerhouse available.

    Add to that the fact that people will come to realise that they could have a ‘console’ that you can upgrade (if you wish), with games that are a LOT cheaper, insane sales on a regular basis, tons more free DLC, workshop UGC… what’s not to love?

    #213 11 months ago
  214. DSB

    @213 I’m not sure people prefer Android as much as they’re stuck with it, really.

    It’s a much wider range of phones, and unlike the Steam Machine, those phones are considerably cheaper than the Apple megaliths, which still sell an awful lot even though they’re so much more expensive.

    I like choice and malleability, but after using a Galaxy something or other with Android that kept crashing, and menus that made no sense, I was only too happy to shell out for an iPhone.

    I think it’s awesome to be a PC gamer, but to stick with the analogy, the PC would really be an iPhone, priced as an iPhone, with an Android-like system. And I think that means a lot for how it’ll perform against the consoles, which in turn are priced like an Android phone, but with closed OS.

    #214 11 months ago
  215. CyberMarco

    I was thinking about some possible scenarios regarding SteamBox and SteamOS.

    1) The SteamOS could turn out to be revolutionary, if every game developer from now on would make games for it too. Like saying that every game from 2014 and on will be available on Windows and SteamOS too. If so that’s a win-win situation, but it’s a far stretch.

    2) Why should someone who already has a PC buy a SteamBox? He can easily install SteamOS on his PC. Also the majority of games on Steam are only available on Windows, so the idea of having a dedicated streaming-box to stream my Windows game from my PC that is located in my office/bedroom to my living room is a bit complicated and cumbersome. You could easily use a long-ass HDMI cable for a mere 10-20$.

    3) The only case that the SteamBox would be a viable solution is if Valve manages to sell the same hardware cheaper compared to assembling it by yourself. Let’s say that Valve manages to sell you a SteamBox with an i7, gtx 770 and 8gb of ram for 600$ compared to building it yourself for 700$+. But the compatibility issue is still a problem.

    4) Someone who hasn’t bothered playing on PC, why would he buy a SteamBox with a limited support of games compared to a Windows PC? Unless a situation like at point 1 occurs.

    So to sum up, IMHO I believe that in order to make the SteamBox a viable solution in the gaming market Valve has to make SteamOS a successful platform first. If not it’s just another PC with a Valve logo on it.

    Thoughts?

    #215 11 months ago
  216. DrDamn

    @215
    For me personally as someone who hasn’t done PC gaming for some time (for a variety of reasons). The key for Steam is getting native support for SteamOS. That’s vital.

    I’m intrigued and interested in what they offer, and I think it could make a great “second console” where it could offer something sufficiently distinct to the PS4/X1. So I’m buying a PS4 with the intention to eventually get an X1 when the price is right and there is enough compelling content to justify the purchase for me – but a SteamBox has the opportunity to sneak in there if they get it right. Interesting controller is a big tick in the box to start with. They need to back that up with native games.

    #216 11 months ago
  217. DrDamn

    @TheBlackHole
    The Android parallel is a decent one, but @DSB makes a very good point on price. Particularly if you look at the Nexus line from Google. Well spec’ed and incredibly well priced. In MS and Sony hardware price wise they are not like Apple. The X1/PS4 are both priced to break even/make a small loss. Valve in relying on external manufacturers aren’t in that position.

    #217 11 months ago
  218. TheBlackHole

    @217

    Agreed on price, but given that’s currently an unknown it’s not a point I could address, and certainly not one worth speculating on yet.

    “Valve in relying on external manufacturers aren’t in that position.”

    They’ve not announced in what capacity they are reliant on off-the-shelf parts for wider manufacture, so again, this relates to above point of price no being a decided factor.

    @214

    “I’m not sure people prefer Android as much as they’re stuck with it, really.”

    Sounds very much based on personal experience, and not indicative of the growing quarterly Android sales (of higher end, iPhone copmparitive devices) and declining iPhone quarterly sales (iP5s launch notwithstanding).

    @215/216

    You have to feel that SteamOS will be something they grow with first party exclusives (i.e. Half Life, Portal and Left for Dead), like they did with HL2 and Steam. Then, once enough people use it, it will be as common as a XB1/PS4 port. Probably more so, given then existing install base for Steam, and people able to run SteamOS.

    The only negative is that being a Linux-based sytem, it’ll be quite a lot fo work for devs to do.

    #218 11 months ago
  219. DrDamn

    @218
    Who ever makes a SteamBox is going to need to make a profit on it, and with a variety of models, specs then the other advantages Sony/MS have in bulk purchasing aren’t available either. I can’t see under what circumstances they can be competitive on price with Sony/MS in bang for buck. I’d like to be proven wrong, but don’t see how it could work. They’d be able to react more quickly to reducing component prices I suppose.

    Agree on Android. I’ve got it pure on choice. I think iOS is still the easier for people to use in general – which is a valid point – but Android as an OS is a long way from being what people are “stuck with”.

    On games another thing they have to show is a clear advantage in native support. I.e. Game X runs at a higher frame rate on SteamOS than Windows on the same box. That will get people to install the OS on their PCs. Do you think they would dare releasing HL3 as a SteamOS exclusive? (i.e. no Windows version at all?). Can’t see that happening. Having SteamOS as the definitive version, yes, only version no.

    #219 11 months ago
  220. monkeygourmet

    @219

    I think HL3 (if it’s even a thing), would likely to be a timed exclusive for Steam OS. Maybe 6 month exclusive or something like that.

    #220 11 months ago
  221. CyberMarco

    @218 – The thing is that there is a difference from Steam with HL2 exclusive back in the day and SteamOS.

    If you want to play HL2 you have to install Steam in order to buy/download it, but you wont lose access to the rest of your Windows-games. With SteamOS you’ll have to part from your Windows games to be able to play HL3, or dual boot Windows and SteamOS, or buy a SteamBox to be able to play SteamOS native games and stream your Windows games, but that’s like having 2 PCs.

    I believe that first and foremost SteamOS has to become THE PC-gaming OS, making all future games running natively on it, not only HL3, L4D3 etc.

    #221 11 months ago
  222. DrDamn

    @220
    I dunno, I think a dual release on SteamOS and Windows but with the SteamOS version being notably better on the same box might have a better impact. It’s the carrot option to the stick of forcing your fanbase to set-up dual booting on their PC’s to play a game they want.

    #222 11 months ago

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