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Tomb Raider ‘Reborn’ trailer released, has people discussing their role as Lara

Wednesday, 27th February 2013 15:41 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Tomb Raider has a new video available, which you can view below. The subtitle is “Reborn,” and if you are contemplating getting the title, it may be worth the watch. It’s peppered with actors giving one-liners regarding their role as Lara Croft in the game. Tomb Raider releases on March 5 for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. Thanks, AGB.

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21 Comments

  1. jaygrim

    I am an actor.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. ItsFade

    Well that wasn’t corny at all.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Da Man

    You aren’t a customer buying software to play on your home computer entertainment system, you’re an artist, an intelligent adult, a hero, a thinking person, a hardcore enthusiast and an actor now.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. salarta

    Also, a victim.

    I’m not likely to call this Lara a survivor; that was the original Lara, the identical clone is a stereotypical survivor girl. I will look forward to a game about a survivor when one is made.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. YoungZer0

    That can’t climb a chopper, because you had no proper training.

    @4: Your ignorance is fascinating. Please tell me more about the old Lara you never knew.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. salarta

    @5: I played the second and third Tomb Raider games, not the first one. I don’t think you have to be a hardcore fan to appreciate and respect the way a character is supposed to be, though I don’t worry too much about that because people look for any excuse to write off opinions they don’t like, even and especially hardcore fans.

    I now have two things about this game that I dislike, and I’m deliberately refraining from going very far into the one that’s far less trivial. I think the default response would be to praise the game and claim it’s gold. If people can’t take me complaining about changes to the character, then they can’t handle the much more serious issue I have. And that’s probably for the best, because I’m hoping a different game comes along where the issue of concern is dealt with in a much more mature, realistic and sympathetic manner like it deserves.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. SplatteredHouse

    @6: Don’t miss out on The Last Revelation (TR4) get it if you can, it’s a cracker! :)

    #7 2 years ago
  8. salarta

    @7: I would, but unfortunately I resolved after 3rd Birthday to not buy anything that could lead to Squeenix getting money out of it until a new Aya Brea game is made that makes 3rd Birthday noncanon and treats Aya with more respect. It was the last straw for me after several things Squeenix did that ticked me off. However, I just might buy a physical copy of the PS1 version of the game, since there’s no worries about Squeenix getting money out of that transaction, so thanks for the suggestion! :D

    It’s actually amazing to see her old covers and how badass she was in those covers.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. YoungZer0

    @6: “respect the way a character is supposed to be”

    And the way the character is supposed to be depends on how the developer wants the character to be. You don’t have a say in any of that. You’ve already proven that you don’t care about the franchise by NOT BUYING any of the later games. But suddenly you care, because they changed her?

    You know, you can talk all you want, but your biggest problem seems to be that you hate character progression. Lara eventually becomes the Tomb Raider in this game. Yes she suffers a lot through the first hour, but a victim? Do you even know what that means? Because a victim would lie down, cry and hope somebody helps her out. Lara survives because she fights. If you can’t understand that what do you understand?

    Again, you’re the same guy who calls this game sexist because Lara is a human, but at the same time you said that we can’t expect Naomi Hunter to climb into a chopper because she isn’t a warrior. Don’t you understand how messed up that is?

    Lara in the original Tomb Raider wasn’t a survivor, she was A TOMB RAIDER! To call the ‘new’ Lara a victim just shows how fundamentally flawed your logic is.

    “excuse to write off opinions they don’t like, even and especially hardcore fans”

    I know exactly what you mean, those hardcore fans seem to be so afraid of cha- oh wait, we’re not talking about DMC here? O:

    Anyway, I’m not even a Fan of the series but one of my best friends is a huge fan, has every game, even the shitty comics and the spin off comic with Witchblade and she loves it. She was skeptical at first, maybe they made her too whiny, but no sir, no such thing. She. Loves. This. Game.

    The biggest problem I have with the game is how – at the end – she does a Nathan Drake and slaughters hundreds of people. Goes in another area and slaughters some more.

    Dunno ’bout you, but I wanted it to be more about raiding tombs.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. SplatteredHouse

    @8 It’s a super adventure of tomb raiding, and it’s similar to what you’ve already played with a boost to the enemy AI. You’re welcome!

    Of Tomb Raider, 2013:
    By what Brad Shoemaker explains on the GB podcast, there’s distinct “disconnect” between Lara in Peril, and Lara, elle Dominatoress. They don’t have a situation beyond the first lengthy exposition of Lara’s reasoning, and trying to grasp the reality of, and reconcile, what she’s doing of her adapting. Neither is she inexperienced in the use of weapons, as a phase of gameplay, or anything like that. Also, the “side-tombs” that were mentioned, they each run, for the couple their editor has uncovered to about 5 mins, tops.

    On the other hand, Jeff Gerstmann points out that some of that stuff doesn’t always best serve the gameplay, but the impression I get is that in the natural flow of play, I would find those kind of “short-cuts” in the narrative disappointing. If they are seeking to present a “human” character, if that is what they will propose: then that is what I expect them to offer.

    I don’t want to play another Uncharted – I had enough of it after the second, for the amount of “inspiration” they’d begun cribbing from Gears, and the like. (shock perhaps, but I actually don’t mind GoW, up to the 2nd – a view that applies also to Halo coincidently!) Maybe this one isn’t right for me, but I would…I could wait for a sale, perhaps, I guess.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. salarta

    @9: You’re arguing that the company owning the rights to the IP means absolutely anything they do is perfectly acceptable. I disagree completely with that argument, and I know from past experience with you that you will never see why that is, so I’m not going to get into another argument with you on this subject. Suffice to say, I have thoroughly stated my reasons in the past, and they remain as true to me as ever.

    I didn’t buy past games because they didn’t present Lara in a way that interested me, simple as that. I am not obligated to buy games I do not have interest in just to have a right to be vocal with my opinion, especially since there was no indication that they would try a direction like this game if previous games failed. To add, I might have bought and perhaps enjoyed this game, IF it didn’t include the horror film victim turned survivor girl approach. That’s very unlikely due to my already existing boycott of Squeenix, but there was a slim chance that under different circumstances, I would have broken that self-imposed pledge for a reboot. Instead, this game makes me even less likely to buy Squeenix products.

    You’re harping on the idea that I somehow don’t like character change again, when you know very well I’ve refuted that accusation, so I’m not going to waste our time refuting it again. I like character change when it fits the character, end of story.

    I call it sexist, and not necessarily what the team intended but how the end product turned out, because of the implications it makes about women due to both the story itself and Lara’s worth in the medium as a whole. The story implies that gaming’s strongest icon of female empowerment is at her core a fragile girl (emphasis on the implication of youth rather than maturity despite being in her early 20s), that required the presence and influence of men to become that strong, brave icon. This is happening in a medium where male protagonists are generally depicted as naturally strong and brave, and if not naturally, then by the time they enter their 20s if not younger, while the only depictions of female protagonists are either damsels in distress, fragile creatures that make themselves strong by the influence of men, or dominant but oversexed parodies.

    However, you do have me thinking that maybe what used to be considered sexist isn’t really sexist when it has the backing of the majority of both genders. What we consider sexist in looking back at old ads and commercials from the 50s and earlier may not be sexist at all when you look at when they were made. Characters are redefined by each generation, so surely sexism and what counts as sexism gets redefined as well.

    As for your fan friend that loves the game, Your Mileage May Vary. I’m a hardcore fan of the Final Fantasy series and loathed the direction FF13 took, but I also know other hardcore fans that love FF13 to pieces and think it’s the best FF game ever made. Likewise, I actually bought, beat and liked Other M before someone pointed out the many problems it has.

    Anyway, time to read @10′s post!

    #11 2 years ago
  12. salarta

    @10: Thanks for the reply, there’s a lot in there that raises thoughts I hadn’t considered. However, they are ones I am presently refusing to share here, as it seems not discussing them will serve the whole subject much better, and I don’t think this game handles it in a way that makes it deserving of such deep discussion anyway. Perhaps some other time I could start a discussion with you on these things by E-mail or IM or similar. :)

    #12 2 years ago
  13. DirtyBojanglez

    This entire argument will go into the abyss as something nobody really cared about.

    Anyways, TR looks AWESOME! I’ve played every TR since the first one and I can’t wait!

    #13 2 years ago
  14. OrbitMonkey

    tagline:

    Tomb Raider, before she had titties..

    #14 2 years ago
  15. salarta

    @14: I’d say that’s a little off still because she’s in her early 20s, and so according to Crystal Dynamics, this is the look and behavior of a fully grown and matured adult woman.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. YoungZer0

    @11: “You’re arguing that the company owning the rights to the IP means absolutely anything they do is perfectly acceptable.”

    I never said that. If they have a good reason to change her, make her more human, make the gameplay more appealing, make her MATTER again, where exactly is the problem? Continuously complaining about the change of a franchise you were never a fan of? What your game? If Nintendo changes Mario to a Space Marine Plumber tommorow, you know how many fucks I would give? None, because I don’t play those games. I don’t care about Mario since the N64. Those games never appealed to me, they never tried and I’m not going to complain if they changed it.

    “I didn’t buy past games because they didn’t present Lara in a way that interested me, simple as that.”

    And what way would that be? What was wrong about old Lara? And how does she need to be in order for you to like her again? No backstory? Just a women you jumped on a plane and started tomb raiding?

    “IF it didn’t include the horror film victim turned survivor girl approach.”

    Again, what makes her a victim? And although it has been pretty much abused by the horror film industry (what has not?), I still think it is very effective.

    “You’re harping on the idea that I somehow don’t like character change again, when you know very well I’ve refuted that accusation”

    Er, no you never did actually. You mentioned Raiden, Childsoldier turned Cyborg Ninja, a few reboots, one of them being Mortal Kombat, which is as much of a reboot as the new Spider-Man, but that’s about it.

    “I like character change when it fits the character, end of story.”

    But then again this is a reboot, so it doesn’t matter. Same goes for DMC.

    “The story implies that gaming’s strongest icon of female empowerment”

    But was she really that? Because I’d argue that there is no real icon for female empowerment. Not even a male icon. If you ask me to choose one on the spot i’d say it is Lee from walking Dead. Old Lara was nothing but few polgyons that were stretched too big.

    You call that female empowerment? And implies? No, it doesn’t imply any of that, that’s just your interpretation.

    “is at her core a fragile girl”

    I think any person in her/his early twenties that manages to survive on her/his own is anything but fragile. A fragile girl – as you call her – would’ve died on that island, probably from hunger, because she waited for someone to take care of her, which Lara did not. She took that bow and killed that deer, because she needed to survive. That’s the very definition of a survivor.

    “that required the presence and influence of men to become that strong, brave icon.”

    I have not played the game, I doubt you have as well. But influence of men? What exactly are you talking about? I saw some footage of her talking to a guy until they part ways again.

    Even if she needed some ‘influence’ what’s wrong about it?

    That misgonistic piece of shit! Teaching a young woman who has no experience in survival whatsoever how to survive. You still don’t understand do you? She did it ALL on her OWN! That’s what matters, that’s what made her strong!

    Let me ask you this: Is Connor a weak, fragile boy because he needed a Mentor? Is Nathan Drake a fragile boy because needed Sully?

    “This is happening in a medium where male protagonists are generally depicted as naturally strong and brave, and if not naturally, then by the time they enter their 20s if not younger”

    Oh yeah, I remember all the reviews mentioning how believable the character of Jason in Far Cry 3 was …

    “while the only depictions of female protagonists are either damsels in distress, fragile creatures that make themselves strong by the influence of men, or dominant but oversexed parodies.”

    I guess if you want to ignore games like Beyond Good & Evil or Mirror’s Edge, you can do so.

    “Likewise, I actually bought, beat and liked Other M before someone pointed out the many problems it has.”

    You needed someone to point out the problems for you?

    #16 2 years ago
  17. DSB

    Good grief. That was fucking terrible.

    What middleaged “hip with the kids” ad agency dreamed that up?

    #17 2 years ago
  18. OrbitMonkey

    @Youngzero, Why are you arguing with the demented manchild who believes the old DD, skintight vest & short shorts wearing Lara was a feminist icon?

    Dude obviously has fap related problems with the “new” look.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. YoungZer0

    Dunno, I guess I was kind of bored, but I’m getting back to drawing now.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. salarta

    @19: Good plan. :) I’m not feeling like reading and responding to your comment at least right now since I’m tired, so I’m going to take your latest comment as you not minding me not replying to it.

    @18: Oh boy, here we go with the purposely making up shit about other people who disagree with us, especially things they’ve already said contrary about, approach! This is always a fun game. Especially when perfectly legitimate sentiments are snowballed in with stupid ones in the same manner as attaching a provision nobody wants to a government bill everyone wants.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. OrbitMonkey

    ^ No, no, no.

    Stop.

    Lara has never been a feminist icon you delusional berk.

    Your being silly.

    #21 2 years ago

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