Gran Turismo series has shifted 67.8 million units to date

Whoa!

So GT5 still hasn’t even managed to outsell the original GT??

I think that pretty much sums up how badly the PS3 has done compared to most people’s expectations at the beginning of this gen.

@1
You cant enjoy a brilliant game, if it doesnt sell X amount? Whats wrong with you…

I didn’t mention the quality of the game. That’s a completely different issue.

“So GT5 still hasn’t even managed to outsell the original GT??”

GT1 more then 10 years. GT5 less then 3 years at best on the system that has done 65 million units to date.

5 years later GT5 will outsell GT1 for sure.

9 million is already impressive for the exclusive title.

That kind of backs up my point when you look at the figures, since the top two GT titles are on PS2.

Only on a gaming site could anyone try and spin that sales of 9+million are bad! Lol, gtfo.

^ Go learn to read.

Where did I say that 9m+ sales were “bad”?

Great numbers for a huge franchise.

I wish they’d show Tourist Trophy’s numbers. I’m so curious.

@5, that kind does not backs up your point because

GT5 prologue on the PS3 – 5 million
GT4 Prologue on the PS2 – 1 million

different consoles, different times.

Best racing simulation series has the highest sales. Nothing surprising here. Waiting for GT vita.

@10:

Well, I wasn’t talking about prologue, but those sort of numbers are what I’d expect to have seen at the beginning of this gen.

This is what I’m saying.

At the beginning of this gen, most people expected the PS3 outsell the PS2, like the PS2 out sold the PS1.

Obviously, this is going to be reflected in the biggest 1st party games, just as GT3 has outsold both GT1 and GT2 in less time.

So at the beginning of this gen, on paper, GT5 sales should have blown GT1 sales away, just like the CoDs, the FIFAs, and the other top franchises have done to their prequels.

That hasn’t happened, and all I’m saying is that the PS3s current ‘plight’ is summed up by what has traditionally been it’s top selling title.

The game has done really well, the console has done really well, but nowhere near what was expected. Even more so now that we’re talking about final versions of PS4 dev kits being only a few months away.

@1 Considering the original games was in production longer than GT5 has even been out, it doesn’t say anything at all.

They were still re-issuing the original game for a good half a decade after its release. GT5 hasn’t even hit the 2 year mark yet.

I used to like GT but it hasn’t evolved very much, I think their biggest problem is shooting to high but never fully delivering, Sony as a whole really needs to adjust their expectations.

@13:

Compare it to CoD/Halo/Gears/FIFA/Madden/etc, which break previous sales records within weeks.

The GT series should be in that league. We’re not talking about your average game, here.

@15, Yes, certainly one would expect a single format title from a niche sports genre to sell more units on a platform that has to date sold less units than its predecessors and it’s highly applicable to compare those to multiplatform titles such as the most wide-appeal focussed FPS of all time and games based on 2 of the most popular sports on the planet.

^ You might want to add some punctuation so that I can actually read whatever it is that you’re trying to say.

@15
Gears 3 hasn’t outsold Gears 1 or 2 yet, Halo Reach and ODST haven’t outsold Halo 3.

GT1 didn’t really have any serious competition, now there are great titles on PS3 and other competing platforms.

It’s quite a complex situation and the only thing I think you can draw from it is if PS3 had better sales figure then GT5 would have sold more.

@15 Those games don’t mean much in comparison when the sales of most of them don’t even come close the sales of the average Gran Turismo game.

A game doesn’t need to sell 20 bazillion copies in a month to be a stellar success. It’s already made its profit ten times over.

The number of sales for GT5 are even more impressive when you consider that the PS3 doesn’t even hold half the market share it did in the last generation. Half the consoles sold, yet it’s easily on track to outsell most of the series in half the time.

Well GT5 Prologue & GT5 combined top 14 million… Coming just under GT3… But woah! GT2 sold less than GT1!

That’s says something right there! Not sure what mind… Maybe that geeks get all excited over numbers?

Last I checked Mario Kart Wii sold 32million copies. Apples and oranges I know. Just saying.

Infact:

MK on SNES – 8Million
MK on N64 – 9Million
MK on GBA – 4Million
MK on NGC – 7Million
MK on DS – 22Million
MK on Wii – 32Million
MK on 3DS – 5Million

Total is roughly 87Million Copies. I find the 3DS on most impressive thus far because it launched last year and it is on a handheld.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Mario_Kart

Of course these numbers could be off, and getting concret numbers for game sales seems to be something that is kept close to the vest, unless a company wants to brag and show off, and there again validating those numbers can still be tough. At some point your basicly taking someones word for it.

For what it is worth I loved the first GT, enjoyed one of them for PS2(sorry forgot the number, was prolly #3), and thought the horrible load times ruined GT5 for me. I own most of the GTs. Dont own the prolouges. Decent games. If they can fix the load times and a few of the dumb ass things in GT5 for the next release in the franchise, I will prolly buy and enjoy that one too.

@18:

Link? (For Gears)

Also, I would put Reach and ODST in the same group as Prologue, rather than a fully fledged sequel.

@19:

1. I’m talking about RELATIVE success.
2. I’m pretty sure that people are always going on about how PS3 sales are pretty much on track with PS2 sales.

@17, the total size of the Playstation audience has shrunk by more than half, GT3 sold to roughly 9% of the PS2 audience, GT5 has sold to roughly 14% of the PS3 audience. If you consider that the GT audience has split in 2 (over the PS3 and the 360) and that GT can only sell to half that audience, then actually GT is doing very well in the reality of the market.

CoD, FIFA, Madden, their audiences have grown and shrunk in line with the total market because they sell on every platform in the market. CoD in particular has in fact expanded its audience over time by increasing the number of platforms it sells on if I’m not mistaken. Thus comparisons with these titles on raw sales figures alone is statistically insignificant.

@22
Link for Gears? How about you provide one as it was you who made the point in the first place hmmm .

Reach and ODST are no way the same as Prologue. Prologue is a glorified demo which they charge for. ODST you could argue was more of a campaign pack, Reach was a game in it’s own right.

@21
What’s Mario Kart Wii got to do with it?

What Gigahurtz says makes sense to me.

There are more gamers and gaming systems than ever in videogames history. It’s a fact, just look at COD figures.
Gran Turismo is not a niche game. It’s a blockbuster, and a bloody killer app. Gran Turismo is a name that sells Playstations by truckloads.

So at a time where Call of Duty moves 20+ million units every year, you could rightfully except a best selling franchise like GT to break records. But it did not.
That is a consequence of Sony’s marketshare being significantly lower than it was in previous generations. And that is why we can say the PS3 isn’t doing that great.

Freedoms +1

I’ll say it: I don’t get it. Nor Forza. Nor Ridge Racer. I just don’t get racing games. Of course, I also don’t get real-life racing. Why someone would want to see someone drive in a circle for an hour completely boggles my mind. I kinda like Wipeout, but only because of the ability to blow up other cars during the race.

Otherwise, this genre has always been a mystery to me.

Not much Doc, unless you are overly impressed with the numbers for GT. Then I supose MK numbers could be healthy perspective. Aka, good for Sony, not that big of a deal, next….

^ Fanboy level is over 9000.

@27 I’d wager it starts with an interest in automobiles. Do you like cars?

“the total size of the Playstation audience has shrunk by more than half, GT3 sold to roughly 9% of the PS2 audience, GT5 has sold to roughly 14% of the PS3 audience. If you consider that the GT audience has split in 2 (over the PS3 and the 360) and that GT can only sell to half that audience, then actually GT is doing very well in the reality of the market.”

This was my entire point in the first place, which people don’t seem to be able to grasp.

The only thing that I said had done RELATIVELY badly in my original comment was the PS3.

All this time, I’ve been talking a out a console, but people are struggling with this. In fact, the quote above completely validates my point, once again. More people should be buying GT games, more quickly. Just like the other big franchises. And they ARE!

But due to the RELATIVELY low sales of the PS3 CONSOLE, the overall number of sales for its biggest franchise hasn’t yet reached that of it’s first iteration yet.

The console is holding the game’s sales back, because it’s not doing what was expected of it at the beginning of this console gen.

And now we’re only about 1 year away from an expected PS4 launch.

@21
Whats your point? Useless fanboyish comment. And yeah, MK released on 7 consoles, GT on only 4.
NFS is the highest selling racing game, but its not simulation.
For me, criterion makes the best arcade style and polyphony make best simulation games.

@30 – Well, that’s probably part of it. Nobody drives in New York City unless you’re a cab driver or from out of town. But then again, I’m not sure I’d be very interested in a subway simulator.

I was wondering why Mario Kart was even being mentioned in this conversation in the first place.

@24:

I originally looked before I wrote the first comment, but couldn’t find one. I just assumed, based on Epic’s $1bn press release for Gears 3.

Anyway, regardless, you are right that it is a complex issue, but we still have the fact of the PS2s GTs both outselling the PS1 versions.

I just don’t see that trend continuing with the PS4 on the horizon. Also, backwards compatibility will surely be a key feature, here.

@31
So why did you need GT5 sales figures to tell you this? Your conclusion is purely about the PS3. You can look at PS3 sales figures and reach that conclusion. Why look at the point through the cloud of figures which are affected by a lot of other factors? Why not look at the point itself?

@33 Ha! nice. I love cars myself. Bought GT1 when I saw how real it looked (wow don’t go look at screens) and how many cars it had. Civic hatch-backs what? Anyway I sucked at it. But the challenge to master and learn to control the cars was too great. The game actually taugh me plenty about why cars behave the way they do and how to go faster. Believe it or not its saved my life (ok maybe just money) at least once. I think more people would play racers if they could with a steering wheel. I know a few folks that would play them but don’t because they can’t get past the controller.

Sure Dragon, but NFS is a multiplat game. GT is only on Sony systems, MK is only on Nintendo systems.

Doesn’t matter if it is sim, arcade or otherwise. It would be like putting out a piece showcasing Namco fighter sales, priasing them. While at the sametime ignoring Capcom fighter sales. If you are going to say “wow, look at me!!” There should be some note as to where those numbers stand in the market place. For perspective.

Just as an abstract example. If you sold 5Million copies, that sounds impressive, unless your competetors games are selling 16Million and 22Million.

In this case with actual numbers, GT has sold well. Very good. But isn’t market leading, not in its own genere(racing) or in the general market pool(across all generes). And one other tid bit to keep in mind, while Sony market share has droped, the actual market has expanded scince PSx and PS2. If anything the new GT game should have seen a dramitic increase in sales, exactly like G1GA has been pointing out.

@36:

I was expecting GT5s sales to be higher.

The fact that they’re not just really summed up the PS3 sales situation to me, so I made a simple comment that people got carried away with, that’s all.

It’s like you know that you weigh 2 stone more than you should, but it doesn’t really hit home until you see a picture of how you looked 3 years ago…

Wow OG, you really are butt hurt, arent you.

@39
Fair enough – this has blown way out of proportion to your original comment .

Tell me about it…

LOL!

@31, taking shots at the PS3′s sales performance is entirely irrelevant though, perhaps that’s why you’ve perplexed everyone. Nobody predicted the market this generation, Nobody has sold >150 million units, and it’s unlikely anybody will. The best selling machine is one of the worst places to release software for 3rd parties and emergency motion control systems did nothing to bolster sales for the other competitors.

We might as well bring Forza’s figures into the convo. Anyone know the figures?

“taking shots at the PS3′s sales performance is entirely irrelevant though, perhaps that’s why you’ve perplexed everyone”

I didn’t “take shots”, I made a simple comment that overly (gaming format) defensive people took completely out of context.

“Nobody predicted the market this generation”

What an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/10/analysts-continue-optimistic-predictions-ps3-to-meet-wii-sales/

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/11/more-critics-more-predicitons-of-ps3-dominance-by-2010/

http://www.gamefront.com/popular-science-predicts-ps3-will-be-the-top-seller-by-2010/

Guys if OG had put another nintendo series, like mario galaxy or wii sports i would have agree with you, but mario kart at is core is a racer, and we are taliking about a racing game, i wonder if modnation racers comparision would had raised so many comments agaisnt it.

@45, I meant Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo in terms of releasing a >150 million selling dominant product to the market. 3rd party analysts are irrelevant.

And you did “take shots”, that’s what using negative connotations is.

@46
It’s a very different type of game on different machine in a different situation. What’s the point?

#48 as for the different machine i agree doc, as for different type of game, both are racers one a sim and the other a kart, but racers, i think his point was that sold numbers of a racer, like GT or Mario kart will depend on the whole console audience, hence that the more audience the more sale perhaps, i think if you look at his numbers theres no wonder why the DS and wii version are the most sold mario kart iterations, i think that might be his point, therefore i dont see why the reference is that off.

I’m kinda surprised by the GTPSP. I didn’t think it’d sell that well.