NintenGO: New console at E3, CPU boost over PS360

The thing I can see the new Nintendo system being is a early run, like the Xbox 360, for next generation. The only problem with Nintendo and Hardcore is they HAVE TO GET THIRD PARTY MULTIPLATFORM GAMES! and THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SOLID ONLINE, the 3DS online still isn’t good, and LASTLY, they have to keep a sharp eye out for that DROUGHT year that Xbox has been suffering exclusively.

The Nintendo system can be the best if it does catering to two audiences but goes “Hardcore first, Casual Second”.

Nintendo has to be running past all the current gen systems to succeed as a HD system too. The fact Nintendo never has packed more punch then competitors in most of its generations scares me.

If Nintendo is the first one out the door, then they have to try to bring graphics that can align into the REAL Next Generation graphics at least.

I like Nintendo strategy, the fact its starting the race now when Sony and MS don’t want to grab the flame to continue. Nintendo has to seriously be keen on the future of the Xbox and PS systems however. Nintendo needs to strike its price way lower then the competitors when they arrive but offer similar experiences just at a little lower graphical volume.

Nintendo, if you go this route, please do it right. I am waiting to be your first costumer.

46:
“Maybe my last statement was obvious but i rotfl when someone says that a console can run every game at 60 fps, it’s simply the dumbest statement in the world, it’s not a matter of hardware, it’s a matter of software! You can make a stupid game with 3 polygons that has 1000 fps and crysis 100 with billions of polygons that runs at 1 fps.
”

this is as obvious as ur previous comment.
im pretending that “games” are actualy full fledged games.
many psn/xbla games run 1080 60 fps, but thats not what im talking about

Things to consider:

Nintendo sells its consoles at a profit.

3rd party action or violent games didn’t sell on the wii. Why should publishers take a risk on an unproven console with a smaller user base?

Non port HD AAA games will take minimum 3 years to make and by that time the next gen from Sony and MS will be coming into play.

im sure their allready working on “non port AAA Games” for a while..
they wount be like “oh, we released a new console right now. lets start doing some games for it..”

Updated with new Edge rumours about motion-sensing.

Could be a game changer.

Not sure where the doubt comes from this is Nintendo. Wii sold pretty well, even if the bulk of the gamers here don’t play much on it. They didn’t need you.

In truth we as a group really don’t matter as much as we might like to think. In the future we will matter even less.

As for me, I am ready.

If the new Nintendo system has strong Online, Demos, digital games, tradational controler focused games and motion games, HD, and the normal Nintendo quality, I will get one. I think the industry could really use a breath of fresh air. I am so sick of the omp shooter.

I’d love the chance to play some Nintendo franchise games w/o the waggle and in HD.

@OG
Something Nintendo have to do and I think Sony will try too is somehow marry a decent motion controller with a standard controller. Really interested in seeing what they come up with.

Not holding my breath for strong online. 3DS is a little better than the Wii and DS in that respect but still falls very short on the basics. I do like what they have done in the more quirky Nintendo like side of thing though – StreetPass for example.

RE: 1080p 60fps …
So far there have always been choices that devs can make. A lot of current titles, if they wished, could be designed to run at 1080p and 60fps. There would need to be other changes to accommodate that though. The two current “HD” consoles also have some hardware restrictions which make designing a 1080p 60fps title more difficult. Aside from which your game will likely end up *looking* worse than the competition in stills.

If the console itself is built and designed to meet the 1080p 60fps target *and* the machine manufacturer also forced this as the target for all games to achieve then we could be getting somewhere interesting. I don’t think it will happen though.

Your prolly right DD. We will have to just wait and see what type of specs are under the hood. And of course wait and see what game devs can do with them.

I am just a bit excited is all. I could really use a new system right now. If its done right. I see a lot of room for Nintendo to improve their offerings, I don’t see very much room for MS/Sony to improve what they already offer. So I guess I am optimistic that Nintendo will bring the goods.

DrDamn:
Yeah, and therefore i have hopes high nintendo will restrict devs from going under 1080p60.
If a company stands for rock solid experiences with acceptance of not-as-jaw-dropping-as-it-could-be grafics then its nintendo and with current hardware it would be easy to maintain PS360 kinda grafics in 1080p60

Okay, so there will not be a second Wii in HD…but will there be a second 360/PS3. Can´t imagina what can be so more powerful than Sonys or Microsofts console…

@57

On the 1080p60 issue you are spot on.

We have 1080p60 capable machines right now. Every single game available on 360 and PS3 *could* be 1080p60, but image quality would suffer.

Thing is, when we get more powerful consoles the majority of devs will not strive to make 1080p60 games, they will continue to stuff more particles, effects and postprocessing in 30 frames and we will end up with prettier games that don’t actually play any better.

The exceptions I think will be the likes of Polyphony and Turn 10, and a lot of Nintendo first party devs.

Nintendo have always put gameplay ahead of anything else. Ninty first party devs are the only ones putting out frequent 60fps titles, and I think they will be the only platform holder pushing for 1080p60 in the next gen, regardless of whether thier hardware is as powerful as the other next gen consoles. They just choose to use less textures and effects to hit the 60fps mark.

One thing is pretty much guaranteed though. Sony will be doing what they have been doing since the start of this gen, which is making games for magazines and pixelwhores. They aren’t afraid to put out shockingly shallow or crippled games just to make loud claims about how powerful thier hardware is, because screenshots are obviously the ultimate test of a game, not how they play.

Al Pacino should be the new head of SCE, with the slogan:

Look, but don’t touch.
Touch, but don’t play.
Play, but don’t expect depth.
Mwuhaha! Mwuhahahahaaaaaa!

@61 Ooooh, now that is good trolling! *slow clap*

I think this will be released in 2012, not in 2011, having said that what interest me the most is the touch screen on the controls, perhaps somehting in the line of the dreamcast VM unit, well will be interesting to see what they can do with this, i always seem nintendo as innovators so i do think they will cover neat ideas with this.

As for the Graphical update it was obvious that nintendo will come with HD, because right now the adoption rate is higher than five years ago, and the levels should be beyond 60%, so now is the right time to do it, i think it will be more powerfull than the 360 and ps3, even when the two next consoles for the other companys arrive and will be left behind again, i think the gap it wouldnt be as much as this time, therefore i see this in the same vein as wii, it doesnt matter if it is the less powerfull console, what matters is the games and in that front nintendo is OK, even more if you take in consideration that the last 3 war consoles, the consoles who came on first were the less powerfull, which means more powerfull graphics doesnt matter to much in the console wars.

Now i think nintendo will have a good E3, lets see how it turns out.

#62

Thanks man, I like to think I do my best work on a Friday afternoon. *slow bow*

Zedla with UC2 graphics and count me interested.
Although price point and time of launch will determin if i buy this. The next Nintendo console HAS to do wha the current HD monsters can do and more for it to make any sort of impact.

Anyways….im cool with current gen still. Ive played so many games this generation and im still eager for more.

http://www.01net.com/editorial/531660/project-cafe-toutes-les-infos-sur-la-wii-2-de-nintendo/

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* the console is codenamed “Project Café”
* will be introduced at E3 2011
* architecture is very similar to the Xbox 360; the Café is a bit more powerful than the 360
* porting current xbox 360 titles to the Café should be very easy
* should be retro-compatible with GameCube and Wii games, and support all Wii peripherals
* Specs : CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family, with a shader unit at version 4.1. Ram should be at least 512 Mb.
* the controller is a touch tablet, with moderate graphic output (appears to be sub-HD, so nothing comparable to an Ipad, for example.)
* controller specs : 6-inch screen, single touch (so no multitouch, it seems), front camera, acts as a wii sensor bar, has a d-pad, two bumpers, two triggers, possibly more.
* should be released in June of 2012 (for Japan ?), and holiday season (in the West ?)
* there is another big surprise they can’t talk about just yet
“

@62
lol

@66, so basically Dreamcast.

……

update on new Nintendo HD controller. Backwards compatibility confirmed.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/14/details-surface-on-the-controller-for-new-nintendo-console.aspx

01net.com also was the site that leaked the ngp specs early

Tech specs supposedly leaked, now known as ‘Project Cafe’.

The controller has a front-facing camera apparently too. Sounds like an expansion of the AR concept to me:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/

Hmm…. slightly disturbing that there’s no mention of analogue sticks on that pad.

Also, ‘slightly’ more powerful than the 360? Hmm.

Sounds inovative to me. Also sounds like it could be total BS too. Time will tell.

I’d love it to be GC compatible, I still play PSO on my GC, a few other games too.

@72 I wonder if the analogue sticks will be on the touchscreen, like the ipod touch? Hope it has vibration feedback :l

Precisely my concern. Using the touchscreen for analogue sticks would be disastrous. The various iThings have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s a crap way of controlling games.

I wouldnt want a touchscreen in lieu of analogue sticks. I hope this rumour be false.

I’m with Blerk on this one! No analog sticks? Are they mad?!?

@76

I wouldn’t want a touchscreen in lieu of anything to be honest.

@78,
agreed.
Analog sticks or get the fuck out. Proper ones too please.

Guys nothing to be afraid off nintendo were the ones that put analog sticks on home consoles controllers in the first place, if they find a new way will be exacly as good.

@77/75 I don’t know man, ipod/iPad gaming is proving a fair few people find it more than acceptable & it wouldn’t be the 1st time Ninty have gone against Core gamers expectations.
But like #76 said, its just rumours. Could be Ninty steals E3.

Dear Nintendo,
cater for the hardcore audience & arrange proper 3rd party support this time around, that is all.
From Me.

This probably will be the home version of ds.

@52:
It’s obvious that you haven’t understand a single word
If you want “standard” graphics then in the next gen you’ll have 1080p@60fps games, but games with amazing graphics(like u2,kz3,c2 etc in this gen) push the limits of the console so they can’t run 1080p@60fps. The same will always be. If you want the maximum of polygons and effects the resolution must be lower and viceversa, the power is limited, developers decide what to do with it.
The only way to have every game at 1080p@60fps is to force developers to use this resolution.

regarding analog.:

if teh rumors of 01net.com are true, the analogs wount be emulated with the touchscreen, coz it wount be multitouch then.

83:
dude, if 5 year old hardware can do uc in 720@30, current hardware should do this in 1080@60 fps.
i prefered PS360 coz they delivered HD, now its time to polish HD up to full HD 60 fps.
im ok with the current assets, but native resolution at 60 fps is what is important for me now.
ok now?

I’ve given up on Nintendo ever understanding what core gamers want ever again…

#OrbitMonkey

Well, the obvious benefit of analog sticks over touchscreen controls, it lays in the “analog” part of their nature over the digital execution of the other. I really doubt even Nintendo can offer something really compelling in that regard.

As for the iPod/iPad generation, well I think that even Apple was caught by surprise in the success of the gaming aspect of iPod Touch and their touchscreen controls were actually born out of necessity not by great design. I don’t think that anyone willing to try and master touchscreen controls in a traditional full fleshed game, would have much trouble adjusting to analog sticks instead.

However, I seem to recall rumours about such a controller for Nintendo’s “Revolution” console, before its unveiling as a Wii and the motion controls of the Wiimote, so maybe these are actually recycled rumours.

@84:
That’s the problem! In the next gen uc’s level graphics will run at 1080p@60fps but it will be considered garbage because next gen console will do better graphics!

sure but nintendo never was about pulling out maximum grafics. theres a chance they gonna force games to play in fullhd at 60 fps.
on the other side theres also a good chance they wont…

Probably you are right, infact i can’t imagine a mario game with incredibly amazing graphics…

meh, even if they do announce the first nxt gen console i dont think ill even be remotely excited about it

they dont have the 3rd party support that M$ and, especially, Sony have.and i dont plan on playing ocorina of time again even if is in full HD

just had a read through the rumours
“motion sensing better than move”
riiight… i havgent really had a good go with move but isnt it essentially 1:1 tracking? how can you get better than that? xD

“Controller with built in screen”
iv got mixed feeling on this.
ont the one hand, hey that sounds like quite a neat feature”
on the other hand “is this their new gimmick, look our controller has a screen, theirs doesnt do that”

Blu ray drive included.
LOL, so in essence their paying their rivals sony?

also, im assuming this machine will be waxing out the 3D games to go with 3DS?

nintendo will be playing catch up again in 3 years time

@91 playing catch up with whom them self? They are still top of the food chain. If you are talking about technology advances maybe but then in 4-5 years time the next gen will be coming out once again putting Nintendo back down with technology advancing. Each company should go for advancing yes but it shouldn’t be their focus, offering better gameplay and more space for the developer to do whatever they like should be. If you don’t have 3rd party support you are just really shooting yourself in the foot, thats why Dreamcast died because EA stopped selling to them and they also came into the picture a year prior to the PS2.

These rumours about the controller are beginning to morph into unreal.

@92
well yeh thats exactly what i meant xD

In 3 years time the next gen consoles will have at least been announced.

And once again Nintendo will be selling old hardware with an old format(presumably). Just like they were with the Wii.

Thats my prediction

Also: hey guys it would be awesome if you could try keep all the rumors posted on this page. IGN is saying it has a touch screen and is backwards compatible

Why is it that noone’s asked about the price for such a powerful machine?

No reason a machine with those specs (released next year) should cost an insane amount.

I think that Nintendo’s really late to the HD party. Also, to make a system “that’s more powerful than both the PS3 and Xbox 360″ is a statement I take with a huge grain of salt. Because lets face it, Nintendo’s never been known for high resolution visual fidelity. Though hearing about the controller kind of made me think about the Sega Dreamcast, which is a bad omen, because we all know what happened to that console. If they are trying to take back the hardcore market with this next console, I can’t help but think it’s an admirable effort, but on the level of alienation that they’ve done to the hardcore fanbase this generation with the Wii, I can’t help but be really skeptical about it. Though the prospect of a 1080P Mario or Zelda game is intising, so I’ll definitely keep my eye on Nintendo’s E3 press event. I kind of see this playing out one of 4 ways;

1. The collosal shift between their main Wii fanbase (which was the casual crowd) to the more hardcore fanbase is a little too much of a gamble that doesn’t pay off, and its sales are hemmeraging money.

2. Its success is similar to the 360, a basic runaway success, and becomes a standard stable amongst the core demographic. But turns out to have a problem similar to the Red Ring of Death.

3. Its success is similar to the PS3, which was overpriced at launch, and not really having much content to warrant its hefty price tag (hey, kinda like the 3DS). But over time, it starts to improve with more content coming out for it, better games, a lower price (or maybe some retailer bundles with games and/or accesories), and eventually builds a really strong following that rivals its competitors.

4. Nintendo’s new console manages to be afforably priced, and a brilliant synthesis of gameplay and features that attracts both the hardcore and casual alike. They also deliver on plenty of content at lauch that keeps consumers happy.

Whether either one of these scenarios turns out to be true has yet to unfold. But seeing as how they’d be starting first in generation 8, they’d have plenty of room to stretch their legs. Will definitely be keeping my eye on them at E3.

@88

Are you crazy? Or really young? Do you not remember the SNES, which WAS the most powerful console at the time? Or the N64, which apart from low texture memory and total cartridge space, was far better than the PSX’s hardware? Or the GameCube? Do you honestly not remember the time when Metroid Prime was considered the game with the best graphics ever made? Hell, even the NES was cutting edge in comparison with the previous Atari consoles when it came out.

I think people’s perception of Nintendo has been horribly skewed with this generation. Nintendo WAS ALWAYS about pushing tech back in the day, they just did it in their own way rather than focus on making pretty-picture tech demo games. They pulled a 180 with the Wii because they were in quite a bit of trouble at the end of the GC days, but there’s no reason to just assume that they won’t go back to pushing tech now that they have everyone’s attention (and money) again.