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NintenGO: New console at E3, CPU boost over PS360

Thursday, 14th April 2011 21:05 GMT By Staff

Following a strong rumour that Nintendo’s next console has been shown to developers and will hit at E3, new details claim the machine is “significantly” more powerful than both 360 and PS3, and is codenamed “Project Café”.

Nintendo’s next – the rumours

To be shown at E3.

Rumored to be codenamed “Project Café”.

Supposedly more powerful than 360 and PS3.

HD up to 1080p.

Motion-sensing “better than Move”.

Controller with built-in screen.

Blu-ray drive included.

Game Informer story.

IGN story.

Edge story.

Blu-ray.com story.

o1.net story.

E3 or “sooner”

Game Informer started the ball rolling last night, with a report that the console in question supports HD resolutions, and that it’s considered to be competitive to both 360 and PS3.

According to the various sources, Nintendo is already showing the new console to third-party developers in order to get them excited, and provide the firms with plenty of time to create titles before it hits the market in 2012, supposedly.

“Nintendo is doing this one right,” said one anonymous source. “[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii.”

It is unknown at present whether the system will feature a regular controller as the main configuration, but it is assumed motion controllers will be part of the package. It is being reported, though, that the system is more than just an “HD Wii.”

This new rumor may lead some credence to earlier rumors of a Wii price drop on May 15, which will allow the company to move remaining stock of the console.

No word on whether the new console will be backwards compatible with current Wii titles is know either at present, or if it will even include Wii branding.

“Significantly more powerful” than PS3 and 360, controller with screen

Following the Game Informer report, however, IGN sources have done away with the whole “comparable to PS3 and Xbox 360″ line: they allege that Nintendo’s next big thing will blow both out of the water. Apparently, it’s “significantly more powerful.”

Why the ideological 180? According to the sources, this is Nintendo’s bid to “recapture” the hardcore market, and 1080p support will come part and parcel with that.

Unsurprisingly, an all-new controller will also be part of the package, but details are still scarce. It will, however, apparently have its own built-in touch screen.

French website 01.net is rumoring that the console’s codename is “Project Café”, and contains similar to Xbox 360, but is a bit more powerful, and will make porting current titles designed for 360 easy to port over to the new Nintendo System.

It’s even reporting that it could be retro-compatible with GameCube and will, like last night’s rumors, support Wii games and peripherals.

According to 01.net, the console specs include a custom IBM PowerPC CPU with three cores, a GPU from the ATI R700 family, a version 4.1 shader unit, and at least 512 Mb of RAM.

The site also concurs that the controller is a touch tablet, with moderate , sub-HD graphic output with a single-touch 6-inch screen,  a front camera which acts as a Wii sensor bar, two d-pads, two bumpers, and possibly more than two triggers.

A rumored release puts the console on Japanese retail shelves in June 2012, and around the holidays elsewhere. At any rate, a “pre-announcement” is rumored for this month, so Nintendo’s mystery machine may not remain a question for too much longer.

In addition, Edge is reporting that sources have said the machine will have motion-sensing “capabilities that are ‘better than Move,’” and that dev kits have been with the likes of Ubisoft, EA and Activision for “months”.

Just for fun, Blu-ray.com is rumouring the machine will have a nice blue laser.

Is it a little too late?

Whatever the firm decides to put under the hood though, analysts are of the opinion Nintendo waited too late to bring a new home console to the market.

Speaking with Eurogamer, Wedbush Morgan’s Michael Pachter said: “I think the right time for the console was in front of Kinect and Move, and think that Nintendo has forever lost one customer for each Kinect and Move unit sold,” he said.  ”That means they should have launched the Wii 2 in Fall 2009, and at the latest in Fall 2010, so a launch in 2011 is late.

“With that said, it’s never ‘too’ late, since they can retain the lion’s share of the market by inducing current Wii owners to upgrade, and by capturing undecided consumers who have either not yet purchased a console or who have not yet bought Kinect or Move.”

M2 Research analyst Billy Pidgeon agreed that Nintendo needs to hurry if it is to succeed with a new console in the market.

“Nintendo needs to launch first in the next generation, as Wii is somewhat saturated and the console’s low resolution graphics lag in the current generation,” he explained to EG. “I expect the next Nintendo console in 2012 at the latest, so a 2011 E3 launch announcement is a strong possibility. There will be some risk for Nintendo in the next generation – Wii has a huge installed base and Nintendo should work to keep that base active as long as possible.”

Pidgeon speculates that the next console from Nintendo will include improvements in motion control, and possibly even a Kinect type of camera. That said, the analyst admitted he would be “disappointed if it didn’t have some off-the-wall innovation that pushes the medium forward in an unforeseen direction.”

Finally, EEDAR VP Jesse Divnich offered the opinion that when it comes to creating consoles, Nintendo “doesn’t go with the flow, they never have, and gamers can expect Nintendo to continue to be original and offer up an experience that simply cannot be found or matched on other platforms.”

As for anything further, Divnich couldn’t speculate as to what the firm has up its sleeves.

“Unfortunately I cannot speculate on what a Wii 2 will have,” he said, “I literally have no information on it, so anything I speculate will surely be wrong [but] a Wii 2 announcement [at E3] certainly wouldn’t be a shocker if they plan for a 2012 holiday release.”

“Stay tuned,” says NOA

In response to these new rumors, a NOA representative wouldn’t comment on the matter to Game Informer, but slyly told the site to “stay tuned.”

Pachter agrees that E3 will be the stage for the announcement, because if Nintendo doesn’t “don’t do it this year, then it might be too late next year.”

Supposedly, the firm also has another big surprise for E3 they can’t talk about just yet, according to 01.net.

E3, then. Better bring your game face, folks.

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98 Comments

  1. Razor

    HERE.WE.GO.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    I see how it is then…

    It has to be much more than Wii-HD for me to buy in.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Kerplunk

    Well, the way I see it is that there are already two machines on the market that effectively provide “Wii HD” performance with additional features (such as robust online support) already.

    In that regard Nintendo are in a tricky position. Should they provide a box that excels in power then it goes against what they (and their legion of followers) have been barking on about for the last 6 years about “new directions” and “blue sky thinking” as they’ll just be joining the console arms race. If they go for something different again, will people go for it now that the Wii honeymoon has passed and consumers will be more wary of novelties?

    And if they choose not to compete on the online side..

    Frankly, I was never sold on the Wii dream and the reality barely met my low expectations. I’ll be interested to see what Nintendo can show but I don’t think it’ll mean much to me as, like with the Wii, I prefer to be realistic than believe the dream.

    Nintendo still need to find their feet with the 3DS at present too.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Yeah, and the fact that they’re charging $5 for most 8bit NES games (including Super Mario Bros.) is an indication that their online strategy hasn’t exactly been the smartest…

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Dimacorgan

    Looks like Nintendo is sailing towards troblesome waters to me… 3DS might have a hard time trying to keep up with its predecessors’ success, and Wii sales are sinking (after all, looks like half of the world owns one!)…
    Honestly, I don’t think that the average Wii owner (the most wanted “casual gamer”) has more than a couple of games, and me, I was never impressed by it. Not even once.
    No precision in controls. No good graphics. No online (real one I mean).
    They need to do much more to get the hardcore gamers in!

    #5 3 years ago
  6. YoungZer0

    Good luck, Nintendo. No matter how good the console, you’ll still deliver mediocre titles every 5 years or so.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. bluffbluff03

    So it will begin in 2011…looking forward to the new Xbox. But I don´t think that a 2nd Wii would be succesful…

    #7 3 years ago
  8. YoungZer0

    Am i the only one who’s not ready for a new console generation? I still think we haven’t had enough good games to justify their existence.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. DaMan

    it will be a lot easier for 3ds than for it’s predecessor to do well, since Ds could barely manage 3d graphics, besides after something as successful as DS launching it’s continuation ahead of competition helps immensely.. And Wii sold basically as much as 360 + PS3 combined, it would be crazy if it kept up doing the same as 2 years ago. safe to say it will outsell PS2, even if they launch some updated hardware in the coming years.

    anyway, this rumor has been around for ages.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Erthazus

    This will make Microsoft and Sony to hurry up with the development of new consoles. At least this is good.

    But i don’t expect them to be much more powerfull then Ps3 or 360. Just maybe barely, knowing Nintendo they will do a small upgrade so it could felt like they are a bit cooler and later when Sny and Microsoft will announce their 64 bit era consoles, Nintendo will do casual shit.

    This is going to be very interesting. HD is important, but do they will show us a real HD? I mean for rea 1080p for each thing…… Current generation of consoles can’t do shit even in 720p. Sorry.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. YoungZer0

    Broken Record.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. UuBuU

    @8 – The gap is getting too big between console and PC performance. It’s definitely time for a new console generation.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Erthazus

    “I still think we haven’t had enough good games to justify their existence.”

    i’m sick of current gen and as UuBuU said the gap between consoles and PC is huge right now.

    this generation sucked, thats why not enough good games for this gen.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Erthazus

    FIRST LEAKED IMAGE OF NEW NINTENDO NEXT GENERATION MARIO!11111
    in HD

    http://images.uncyc.org/pt/d/d5/Marioreal.jpg

    :D

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Len

    Should be interesting…could they, would they, can they put 3D in to a home console without the need for glasses?

    Is that even possible apart from the small teles that have been released in Jpn so far…?

    #15 3 years ago
  16. YoungZer0

    @12@13

    I agree, yes the gap is huge. But so far i have yet to see a game that makes proper use of the power of new PC’s. It’s pretty sad really. I don’t think new consoles will be the answer, there is still a high chance that we won’t see decent ports. Or ports at all.

    The more power they use, the more expensive the games will become. And as much as i spend most of my time playing games on PC, i know more games sell on consoles than they do on PC.

    Just saw this a few hours ago:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3050-Consoles-Are-the-New-Coin-Op

    Don’t be offended by the title. It’s really interesting stuff.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Erthazus

    @16, i always watch Extra Credits. They are awesome.

    “But so far i have yet to see a game that makes proper use of the power of new PC’s.”

    That is going to be when new consoles will arrive. Sadly, but thats how it is.
    Maybe next Generation PC will start to be used much better then before.
    but to be honest, this year PC got some great games.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Erthazus

    “Don’t be offended by the title. It’s really interesting stuff.”

    I just watched it. It’s true what they are saying. But there is one thing that they forgot to mention. I don’t know about Microsoft.

    But Sony is a technology company. They have a back up by TV’s, MP3′s, Sony Pictures, Columbia Pictures, Sony music and etc.
    They made console not because they wanted to make money from the start, but it was the addon that could sell their TV’s and etc.
    Sony will still produce them no matter what. Especially when they are behind FORMAT that they create with bunch of other electronic studios.

    Nintendo is also going to do that just because they have Mario and Zelda, when will start to become irrelevant then yeah… No one cares.

    and the one huge problem that Extra Credits missed is Piracy. Tablets is not mainstream for now, but you can already download content from Piratebay. When tablets are going to be popular, pirates will hurt the industry again.

    Consoles again is going to be relevant (not to mention that the security for consoles for each generation is better and better. PS3 is cracked, but Xbox 360 slim is barely cracked.). So this time i’m not sure if Extra Credits right this time.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. YoungZer0

    @17: Don’t get your hopes to high, though. Those consoles are probably going to cost. A lot. And to be honest i kind of doubt they will make proper use of their hardware. At least not from third developer.

    Of course there are exceptions. I just hope Sony will be smart enough to allow the developers easier development on their consoles.

    Anyway, so far i’m quite disappointed by the games released this year. Killzone 3 was good, but something’s missing. Pacing perhaps. Crysis 2 was actually okay, even though the story sucked and let’s not talk about the graphics. But not one game where i said “Holy shit, this is it!”

    The #1 game i’m looking forward this year is Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I’d be heartbroken if it bombs.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Stardog

    Hmmm. This is interesting. An upgraded Wii won’t do any business, I don’t think.

    If it truly blows the 360/PS3 out the water graphically – considering the head start – it could be as successful as the 360 was. I don’t see a new Xbox within 2/3 years, and definately don’t see a new PS anytime soon.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Megakoopa

    Well, cool. Not as PlayStation 3… It’s a porn platform :D

    http://digg.com/news/gaming/playstation_3_it_only_does_porn

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Zurtech

    Cool. ^_^

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Dannybuoy

    Not really sure what to say

    #23 3 years ago
  24. mathare92

    Time to start placing bets on what this thing will be called, then.

    Seeing as I’m terribly uncreative, I’m going for the Nintendo Super Wii – a revolutionary device that improves upon its revloutionary predecessor’s innovative motion controls with revolutionary latency-free full body tracking and speech recognition, combining revolutionary high definition graphics capabilities and revolutionary community tools and revolutionary online play.

    Mainstream Crowd: Hurray!

    Punter in the middle of crowd: But my Xbox can already do all these things!

    Mainstream Crowd: He’s right…

    Nintendo: But… umm… HIGH DEFINITION MARIO!

    Mainstream Crowd: Hurray!

    /bored

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Erthazus

    BTW. I’m sure for 99% that Nintendo is going to work with AMD to provide built in GPUCPU.

    The reason is simple. True 1080p with 60 fps with absolutely low costs.

    If Nintendo is not going to do it, they are assholes and loosers. They really have an opportunity to do an HD console right this time.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. YoungZer0

    @24: I think they are going to call it Dreamcast 2. If you catch my obvious drift.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Phoenixblight

    Nintendo’s thing is selling their systems for cheap it won’t go beyond the 300$ price mark especially if they want to compete with Xbox 360 and PS3 graphically.

    I am glad they are deciding to get on the HD bandwagon but I won’t be buying it this time. I will be waiting to see 3rd party support just as I am doing so for 3DS and probably a year to see the next version of 3ds with its updated battery, etc.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Erthazus

    “Nintendo’s thing is selling their systems for cheap ”

    *Looking at the 3DS price tag*

    Michael Pachter mode much?

    the reason Wii was cheap because they underestimated their success with the Wii.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Bloodyghost

    Hopefully Nintendo doesnt grab hardware from 2008 this time when making the new console.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Bloodyghost

    @28 It was because the Wii was clearly a gimmick.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. SOMI

    Wii is really out dated and crap I expect Wii successor to be also out dated and fucking crap. Someone needs to kill Miyamoto, Iwata and Reggie with Chlorine gas when they comes on stage,

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Phoenixblight

    @28

    Sorry I don’t see Nintendo making it by screwing their fanbase by going over and beyond the price of Xbox 360 or PS3. As I said Nintendo thing is selling to the casuals and to the families not to the people that want the latest eye candy.

    3ds is a completely different thing and different base than the wii believe whatever you want. The DS was 3/4ths of the Wii cost so I see the same thing happening with the next system.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. DejaVu

    Vitality Sensor will be included. New feature for Wii 2.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. mojo

    the thing better outperformes PS360 in large numbers or they can once again feck off.

    #34 3 years ago
  35. 2plus2equals5

    “the graphics will be COMPARABLE to PS3 and Xbox 360″
    Comparable? COMPARABLE?

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Blerk

    Something about this doesn’t ring true, to be honest.

    Even if it does turn out to be right, is launching something ‘comparable’ to the 360 and PS3 at this point going to do them any good? People are already starting to complain that the HD twins aren’t powerful enough, so who exactly would want another similarly-specified machine at this stage in the game?

    If they want to succeed then surely they’d need to go beyond the 360 and PS3 power-wise. And I just don’t see that happening, not Nintendo.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Patrick Garratt

    More detail there. It’s more powerful than PS360, apparently. And fairly obviously, as you note, Blerk.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. Goffee

    Powerful enough to do what?

    Better graphics – do we now need to see the individual pores on a character’s skin? Or slightly shinier robots?

    Better sound? Been pretty good for ages?

    Better AI? Even really good AI still sucks and is mostly just prescripted crap.

    There really is little else to use additional power on, and all that power comes at a price, which isn’t Nintendo’s forte.

    Sure, it’ll be great to have more complex interactive worlds in games, but outside RPGs and Sims, there isn’t a great call for it. Also, that takes us back to megabudget games, which few can afford to make.

    #38 3 years ago
  39. Lounds

    I think this thing will be dead popular and probably take a dink out of 360 fans maybe.

    @ Erthazus
    Do you think it will be a Buldoser chip with built in APU’s?
    maybe not top of range but like 4-8core cpu with built in APU’s

    #39 3 years ago
  40. 2plus2equals5

    I bet everything that it will be a little more powerful than ps360 but a lot less powerful than ps4/nextbox.

    #40 3 years ago
  41. Lounds

    And the award for most obvious statement goes to #40

    #41 3 years ago
  42. mojo

    i demand 1080p60 for every game or its a disapointment.
    i dont demand it especialy from nintendo, but defo from the next console im gona buy

    #42 3 years ago
  43. Overdos3

    Wow significantly powerful then a 6 years consoles nice. What the fuck it’s normal that a new console will outperform a 6years old technology.

    PC for the win !!! Always outperforming every console and outperforming itself aech 6months …

    #43 3 years ago
  44. anuekr

    Mario HD anyone?

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Erthazus

    @Blerk,
    “Something about this doesn’t ring true, to be honest.”

    Read what i said earlier. Nintendo can use new AMD GPUCPU that is powerfull then PS3 and 360 combined and it is cheaper.
    So you can get not just the similar experience. But you can get 180p and 60 FPS without any problem and you won’t suffer with bad ports.

    and you are right on this one that HD won’t do a thing. But we must remmber that Nintendo launch console with something new or gimmicky as always. Without it they never sell consoles.

    @40 captain obvious right here.

    @Lounds, “Do you think it will be a Buldoser chip with built in APU’s?
    maybe not top of range but like 4-8core cpu with built in APU’s

    No one can predict here to be honest. I think it depends with the partnership. I’m just sure that Nintendo is going the route with full HD and 60 fps with this generation of games.
    We clearly can see that 360 and PS3 barely manage to produce even 720p games.

    #45 3 years ago
  46. 2plus2equals5

    So it’s really out of this world a powerful nintendo console! ROTFL
    I hope you’ll say the same when nintendo addicted will elect the wii2 as a god gift.

    Maybe my last statement was obvious but i rotfl when someone says that a console can run every game at 60 fps, it’s simply the dumbest statement in the world, it’s not a matter of hardware, it’s a matter of software! You can make a stupid game with 3 polygons that has 1000 fps and crysis 100 with billions of polygons that runs at 1 fps.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. StolenGlory

    >>GraphicWhoreMode=1
    ‘Execute’

    Some five years removed from the 360 and PS3 respectively, there is no reason ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH why Ninty shouldn’t be able to put out a machine that can reliably do 1080p @ 60fps.

    Especially given the price of components required to do such a thing.

    MAKE IT HAPPEN.

    >>GraphicWhoreMode=0
    ‘Execute’

    #47 3 years ago
  48. Gadzooks!

    #38

    How about having enough power to do what current HD consoles do, but at stable framerates and maybe with decent antialiasing. That would be a good use of the extra power, and would require no additional development cost.

    It’s also likely to have more memory than current HD consoles, so less loading required.

    It’s rumoured to have a Bluray drive, but it won’t be the cripplingly slow unit in the PS3, so faster loading and better streaming will be possible.

    If it also plays BD movies that will be fantastic. It’ll be the last reason for me to hold on to my PS3 gone at least. If it wasnt for the BD movies I’ve been bought (I still buy DVD’s personally) I’d have traded back to a Wii as trading my Wii for a PS3 was a terrible decision, and one that I regret every time the guys come over for games night. I miss my Boom Blox! :(

    The only real question mark is the online service. I just dont know if Nintendo understand online gaming in general, and the importance of a good online service.

    #48 3 years ago
  49. Freek

    Dreamcast syndrom: launch out of sync with the compition, enjoy a year of being the most powerfull hardware on the market…but then Sony and MS anounce their new consoles and the hype means everybody waits for those instead.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. HauntaVirus

    @23

    LOL, Agreed!

    #50 3 years ago
  51. Bloodyghost

    The thing I can see the new Nintendo system being is a early run, like the Xbox 360, for next generation. The only problem with Nintendo and Hardcore is they HAVE TO GET THIRD PARTY MULTIPLATFORM GAMES! and THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SOLID ONLINE, the 3DS online still isn’t good, and LASTLY, they have to keep a sharp eye out for that DROUGHT year that Xbox has been suffering exclusively.

    The Nintendo system can be the best if it does catering to two audiences but goes “Hardcore first, Casual Second”.

    Nintendo has to be running past all the current gen systems to succeed as a HD system too. The fact Nintendo never has packed more punch then competitors in most of its generations scares me.

    If Nintendo is the first one out the door, then they have to try to bring graphics that can align into the REAL Next Generation graphics at least.

    I like Nintendo strategy, the fact its starting the race now when Sony and MS don’t want to grab the flame to continue. Nintendo has to seriously be keen on the future of the Xbox and PS systems however. Nintendo needs to strike its price way lower then the competitors when they arrive but offer similar experiences just at a little lower graphical volume.

    Nintendo, if you go this route, please do it right. I am waiting to be your first costumer.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. mojo

    46:
    “Maybe my last statement was obvious but i rotfl when someone says that a console can run every game at 60 fps, it’s simply the dumbest statement in the world, it’s not a matter of hardware, it’s a matter of software! You can make a stupid game with 3 polygons that has 1000 fps and crysis 100 with billions of polygons that runs at 1 fps.

    this is as obvious as ur previous comment.
    im pretending that “games” are actualy full fledged games.
    many psn/xbla games run 1080 60 fps, but thats not what im talking about

    #52 3 years ago
  53. RandomTiger

    Things to consider:

    Nintendo sells its consoles at a profit.

    3rd party action or violent games didn’t sell on the wii. Why should publishers take a risk on an unproven console with a smaller user base?

    Non port HD AAA games will take minimum 3 years to make and by that time the next gen from Sony and MS will be coming into play.

    #53 3 years ago
  54. mojo

    im sure their allready working on “non port AAA Games” for a while..
    they wount be like “oh, we released a new console right now. lets start doing some games for it..”

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Patrick Garratt

    Updated with new Edge rumours about motion-sensing.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. OlderGamer

    Could be a game changer.

    Not sure where the doubt comes from this is Nintendo. Wii sold pretty well, even if the bulk of the gamers here don’t play much on it. They didn’t need you.

    In truth we as a group really don’t matter as much as we might like to think. In the future we will matter even less.

    As for me, I am ready.

    If the new Nintendo system has strong Online, Demos, digital games, tradational controler focused games and motion games, HD, and the normal Nintendo quality, I will get one. I think the industry could really use a breath of fresh air. I am so sick of the omp shooter.

    I’d love the chance to play some Nintendo franchise games w/o the waggle and in HD.

    #56 3 years ago
  57. DrDamn

    @OG
    Something Nintendo have to do and I think Sony will try too is somehow marry a decent motion controller with a standard controller. Really interested in seeing what they come up with.

    Not holding my breath for strong online. 3DS is a little better than the Wii and DS in that respect but still falls very short on the basics. I do like what they have done in the more quirky Nintendo like side of thing though – StreetPass for example.

    RE: 1080p 60fps …
    So far there have always been choices that devs can make. A lot of current titles, if they wished, could be designed to run at 1080p and 60fps. There would need to be other changes to accommodate that though. The two current “HD” consoles also have some hardware restrictions which make designing a 1080p 60fps title more difficult. Aside from which your game will likely end up *looking* worse than the competition in stills.

    If the console itself is built and designed to meet the 1080p 60fps target *and* the machine manufacturer also forced this as the target for all games to achieve then we could be getting somewhere interesting. I don’t think it will happen though.

    #57 3 years ago
  58. OlderGamer

    Your prolly right DD. We will have to just wait and see what type of specs are under the hood. And of course wait and see what game devs can do with them.

    I am just a bit excited is all. I could really use a new system right now. If its done right. I see a lot of room for Nintendo to improve their offerings, I don’t see very much room for MS/Sony to improve what they already offer. So I guess I am optimistic that Nintendo will bring the goods.

    #58 3 years ago
  59. mojo

    DrDamn:
    Yeah, and therefore i have hopes high nintendo will restrict devs from going under 1080p60.
    If a company stands for rock solid experiences with acceptance of not-as-jaw-dropping-as-it-could-be grafics then its nintendo and with current hardware it would be easy to maintain PS360 kinda grafics in 1080p60

    #59 3 years ago
  60. bluffbluff03

    Okay, so there will not be a second Wii in HD…but will there be a second 360/PS3. Can´t imagina what can be so more powerful than Sonys or Microsofts console…

    #60 3 years ago
  61. Gadzooks!

    @57

    On the 1080p60 issue you are spot on.

    We have 1080p60 capable machines right now. Every single game available on 360 and PS3 *could* be 1080p60, but image quality would suffer.

    Thing is, when we get more powerful consoles the majority of devs will not strive to make 1080p60 games, they will continue to stuff more particles, effects and postprocessing in 30 frames and we will end up with prettier games that don’t actually play any better.

    The exceptions I think will be the likes of Polyphony and Turn 10, and a lot of Nintendo first party devs.

    Nintendo have always put gameplay ahead of anything else. Ninty first party devs are the only ones putting out frequent 60fps titles, and I think they will be the only platform holder pushing for 1080p60 in the next gen, regardless of whether thier hardware is as powerful as the other next gen consoles. They just choose to use less textures and effects to hit the 60fps mark.

    One thing is pretty much guaranteed though. Sony will be doing what they have been doing since the start of this gen, which is making games for magazines and pixelwhores. They aren’t afraid to put out shockingly shallow or crippled games just to make loud claims about how powerful thier hardware is, because screenshots are obviously the ultimate test of a game, not how they play.

    Al Pacino should be the new head of SCE, with the slogan:

    Look, but don’t touch.
    Touch, but don’t play.
    Play, but don’t expect depth.
    Mwuhaha! Mwuhahahahaaaaaa!

    ;)

    #61 3 years ago
  62. OrbitMonkey

    @61 Ooooh, now that is good trolling! *slow clap*

    #62 3 years ago
  63. ManuOtaku

    I think this will be released in 2012, not in 2011, having said that what interest me the most is the touch screen on the controls, perhaps somehting in the line of the dreamcast VM unit, well will be interesting to see what they can do with this, i always seem nintendo as innovators so i do think they will cover neat ideas with this.

    As for the Graphical update it was obvious that nintendo will come with HD, because right now the adoption rate is higher than five years ago, and the levels should be beyond 60%, so now is the right time to do it, i think it will be more powerfull than the 360 and ps3, even when the two next consoles for the other companys arrive and will be left behind again, i think the gap it wouldnt be as much as this time, therefore i see this in the same vein as wii, it doesnt matter if it is the less powerfull console, what matters is the games and in that front nintendo is OK, even more if you take in consideration that the last 3 war consoles, the consoles who came on first were the less powerfull, which means more powerfull graphics doesnt matter to much in the console wars.

    Now i think nintendo will have a good E3, lets see how it turns out.

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Gadzooks!

    #62

    Thanks man, I like to think I do my best work on a Friday afternoon. *slow bow*

    ;)

    #64 3 years ago
  65. spiderLAW

    Zedla with UC2 graphics and count me interested.
    Although price point and time of launch will determin if i buy this. The next Nintendo console HAS to do wha the current HD monsters can do and more for it to make any sort of impact.

    Anyways….im cool with current gen still. Ive played so many games this generation and im still eager for more.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. mojo

    http://www.01net.com/editorial/531660/project-cafe-toutes-les-infos-sur-la-wii-2-de-nintendo/


    * the console is codenamed “Project Café”
    * will be introduced at E3 2011
    * architecture is very similar to the Xbox 360; the Café is a bit more powerful than the 360
    * porting current xbox 360 titles to the Café should be very easy
    * should be retro-compatible with GameCube and Wii games, and support all Wii peripherals
    * Specs : CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family, with a shader unit at version 4.1. Ram should be at least 512 Mb.
    * the controller is a touch tablet, with moderate graphic output (appears to be sub-HD, so nothing comparable to an Ipad, for example.)
    * controller specs : 6-inch screen, single touch (so no multitouch, it seems), front camera, acts as a wii sensor bar, has a d-pad, two bumpers, two triggers, possibly more.
    * should be released in June of 2012 (for Japan ?), and holiday season (in the West ?)
    * there is another big surprise they can’t talk about just yet

    #66 3 years ago
  67. spiderLAW

    @62
    lol

    #67 3 years ago
  68. Erthazus

    @66, so basically Dreamcast.

    ……

    #68 3 years ago
  69. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    update on new Nintendo HD controller. Backwards compatibility confirmed.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/14/details-surface-on-the-controller-for-new-nintendo-console.aspx

    #69 3 years ago
  70. mojo

    01net.com also was the site that leaked the ngp specs early

    #70 3 years ago
  71. StolenGlory

    Tech specs supposedly leaked, now known as ‘Project Cafe’.

    The controller has a front-facing camera apparently too. Sounds like an expansion of the AR concept to me:

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/

    #71 3 years ago
  72. Blerk

    Hmm…. slightly disturbing that there’s no mention of analogue sticks on that pad.

    Also, ‘slightly’ more powerful than the 360? Hmm.

    #72 3 years ago
  73. OlderGamer

    Sounds inovative to me. Also sounds like it could be total BS too. Time will tell.

    I’d love it to be GC compatible, I still play PSO on my GC, a few other games too.

    #73 3 years ago
  74. OrbitMonkey

    @72 I wonder if the analogue sticks will be on the touchscreen, like the ipod touch? Hope it has vibration feedback :l

    #74 3 years ago
  75. Blerk

    Precisely my concern. Using the touchscreen for analogue sticks would be disastrous. The various iThings have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s a crap way of controlling games.

    #75 3 years ago
  76. Gadzooks!

    I wouldnt want a touchscreen in lieu of analogue sticks. I hope this rumour be false.

    #76 3 years ago
  77. JonFE

    I’m with Blerk on this one! No analog sticks? Are they mad?!?

    #77 3 years ago
  78. StolenGlory

    @76

    I wouldn’t want a touchscreen in lieu of anything to be honest.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. spiderLAW

    @78,
    agreed.
    Analog sticks or get the fuck out. Proper ones too please.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. ManuOtaku

    Guys nothing to be afraid off nintendo were the ones that put analog sticks on home consoles controllers in the first place, if they find a new way will be exacly as good.

    #80 3 years ago
  81. OrbitMonkey

    @77/75 I don’t know man, ipod/iPad gaming is proving a fair few people find it more than acceptable & it wouldn’t be the 1st time Ninty have gone against Core gamers expectations.
    But like #76 said, its just rumours. Could be Ninty steals E3.

    #81 3 years ago
  82. Christopher Jack

    Dear Nintendo,
    cater for the hardcore audience & arrange proper 3rd party support this time around, that is all.
    From Me.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. 2plus2equals5

    This probably will be the home version of ds.

    @52:
    It’s obvious that you haven’t understand a single word :|
    If you want “standard” graphics then in the next gen you’ll have 1080p@60fps games, but games with amazing graphics(like u2,kz3,c2 etc in this gen) push the limits of the console so they can’t run 1080p@60fps. The same will always be. If you want the maximum of polygons and effects the resolution must be lower and viceversa, the power is limited, developers decide what to do with it.
    The only way to have every game at 1080p@60fps is to force developers to use this resolution.

    #83 3 years ago
  84. mojo

    regarding analog.:

    if teh rumors of 01net.com are true, the analogs wount be emulated with the touchscreen, coz it wount be multitouch then.

    83:
    dude, if 5 year old hardware can do uc in 720@30, current hardware should do this in 1080@60 fps.
    i prefered PS360 coz they delivered HD, now its time to polish HD up to full HD 60 fps.
    im ok with the current assets, but native resolution at 60 fps is what is important for me now.
    ok now?

    #84 3 years ago
  85. G1GAHURTZ

    I’ve given up on Nintendo ever understanding what core gamers want ever again…

    #85 3 years ago
  86. JonFE

    #OrbitMonkey

    Well, the obvious benefit of analog sticks over touchscreen controls, it lays in the “analog” part of their nature over the digital execution of the other. I really doubt even Nintendo can offer something really compelling in that regard.

    As for the iPod/iPad generation, well I think that even Apple was caught by surprise in the success of the gaming aspect of iPod Touch and their touchscreen controls were actually born out of necessity not by great design. I don’t think that anyone willing to try and master touchscreen controls in a traditional full fleshed game, would have much trouble adjusting to analog sticks instead.

    However, I seem to recall rumours about such a controller for Nintendo’s “Revolution” console, before its unveiling as a Wii and the motion controls of the Wiimote, so maybe these are actually recycled rumours.

    8)

    #86 3 years ago
  87. 2plus2equals5

    @84:
    That’s the problem! In the next gen uc’s level graphics will run at 1080p@60fps but it will be considered garbage because next gen console will do better graphics!

    #87 3 years ago
  88. mojo

    sure but nintendo never was about pulling out maximum grafics. theres a chance they gonna force games to play in fullhd at 60 fps.
    on the other side theres also a good chance they wont…

    #88 3 years ago
  89. 2plus2equals5

    Probably you are right, infact i can’t imagine a mario game with incredibly amazing graphics…

    #89 3 years ago
  90. Gama_888

    meh, even if they do announce the first nxt gen console i dont think ill even be remotely excited about it

    they dont have the 3rd party support that M$ and, especially, Sony have.and i dont plan on playing ocorina of time again even if is in full HD

    just had a read through the rumours
    “motion sensing better than move”
    riiight… i havgent really had a good go with move but isnt it essentially 1:1 tracking? how can you get better than that? xD

    “Controller with built in screen”
    iv got mixed feeling on this.
    ont the one hand, hey that sounds like quite a neat feature”
    on the other hand “is this their new gimmick, look our controller has a screen, theirs doesnt do that”

    Blu ray drive included.
    LOL, so in essence their paying their rivals sony? :)

    also, im assuming this machine will be waxing out the 3D games to go with 3DS?

    #90 3 years ago
  91. Gama_888

    nintendo will be playing catch up again in 3 years time

    #91 3 years ago
  92. Phoenixblight

    @91 playing catch up with whom them self? They are still top of the food chain. If you are talking about technology advances maybe but then in 4-5 years time the next gen will be coming out once again putting Nintendo back down with technology advancing. Each company should go for advancing yes but it shouldn’t be their focus, offering better gameplay and more space for the developer to do whatever they like should be. If you don’t have 3rd party support you are just really shooting yourself in the foot, thats why Dreamcast died because EA stopped selling to them and they also came into the picture a year prior to the PS2.

    #92 3 years ago
  93. Razor

    These rumours about the controller are beginning to morph into unreal.

    #93 3 years ago
  94. Gama_888

    @92
    well yeh thats exactly what i meant xD

    In 3 years time the next gen consoles will have at least been announced.

    And once again Nintendo will be selling old hardware with an old format(presumably). Just like they were with the Wii.

    Thats my prediction :)

    Also: hey guys it would be awesome if you could try keep all the rumors posted on this page. IGN is saying it has a touch screen and is backwards compatible

    #94 3 years ago
  95. neon6

    Why is it that noone’s asked about the price for such a powerful machine?

    #95 3 years ago
  96. Psychotext

    No reason a machine with those specs (released next year) should cost an insane amount.

    #96 3 years ago
  97. TD_Monstrous69

    I think that Nintendo’s really late to the HD party. Also, to make a system “that’s more powerful than both the PS3 and Xbox 360″ is a statement I take with a huge grain of salt. Because lets face it, Nintendo’s never been known for high resolution visual fidelity. Though hearing about the controller kind of made me think about the Sega Dreamcast, which is a bad omen, because we all know what happened to that console. If they are trying to take back the hardcore market with this next console, I can’t help but think it’s an admirable effort, but on the level of alienation that they’ve done to the hardcore fanbase this generation with the Wii, I can’t help but be really skeptical about it. Though the prospect of a 1080P Mario or Zelda game is intising, so I’ll definitely keep my eye on Nintendo’s E3 press event. I kind of see this playing out one of 4 ways;

    1. The collosal shift between their main Wii fanbase (which was the casual crowd) to the more hardcore fanbase is a little too much of a gamble that doesn’t pay off, and its sales are hemmeraging money.

    2. Its success is similar to the 360, a basic runaway success, and becomes a standard stable amongst the core demographic. But turns out to have a problem similar to the Red Ring of Death.

    3. Its success is similar to the PS3, which was overpriced at launch, and not really having much content to warrant its hefty price tag (hey, kinda like the 3DS). But over time, it starts to improve with more content coming out for it, better games, a lower price (or maybe some retailer bundles with games and/or accesories), and eventually builds a really strong following that rivals its competitors.

    4. Nintendo’s new console manages to be afforably priced, and a brilliant synthesis of gameplay and features that attracts both the hardcore and casual alike. They also deliver on plenty of content at lauch that keeps consumers happy.

    Whether either one of these scenarios turns out to be true has yet to unfold. But seeing as how they’d be starting first in generation 8, they’d have plenty of room to stretch their legs. Will definitely be keeping my eye on them at E3.

    #97 3 years ago
  98. TVs Everywhere

    @88

    Are you crazy? Or really young? Do you not remember the SNES, which WAS the most powerful console at the time? Or the N64, which apart from low texture memory and total cartridge space, was far better than the PSX’s hardware? Or the GameCube? Do you honestly not remember the time when Metroid Prime was considered the game with the best graphics ever made? Hell, even the NES was cutting edge in comparison with the previous Atari consoles when it came out.

    I think people’s perception of Nintendo has been horribly skewed with this generation. Nintendo WAS ALWAYS about pushing tech back in the day, they just did it in their own way rather than focus on making pretty-picture tech demo games. They pulled a 180 with the Wii because they were in quite a bit of trouble at the end of the GC days, but there’s no reason to just assume that they won’t go back to pushing tech now that they have everyone’s attention (and money) again.

    #98 3 years ago

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