Orson Scott Card: There aren’t enough turn-based strategy games

Tuesday, 27th October 2009 16:07 GMT By Stephany Nunneley


Orson Scott Card has said that there are not enough turn-based strategy games out there, and the ones that are out there focus too much on battle.

Speaking with BigDownload about Shadow Complex, among other things, Card said that most game developers could learn a thing or two from Sid Meier when it comes to creating strategy games.

“I like the turn-based strategy game and there aren’t very many of those made, and most of them are made badly,” he said. “Really Sid Meier is the only guy who does it reliably. And I wish more people would learn the lessons from the way he does it. Because I’ve looked at some of the other offerings and they emphasize the tedium and the fog of war.

“You have to fight these endless battles. And I don’t want to play war. I want to play Civilization. And Civilization, you have to be able to fight, you have to be prepared to fight, but the main business of Civilization is being civilized –creating stuff, building. That’s what I want to do.”

It’s a rather interesting read, and the full thing is through here.



  1. Gheritt White


    Gimme som o’ dat shooty blam blam!

    #1 5 years ago
  2. blackdreamhunk

    TBS are huge genre that makes tons of money. In fact I would say TBS and RTS are alot bigger than fps.

    that is before big companies and game devs started to trash talk pc gaming!

    These are genres that console gaming can’t handle.

    #2 5 years ago
  3. bobbymington

    Orson scott card is a homophobe

    #3 5 years ago
  4. DrDamn

    TBS is something I enjoy. There was a big rush to go RTS as an assumption that this was a natural progression. It’s not, it’s just a different approach. If I am asked to control a large number of characters/things then I prefer to actually control them and have them do what I tell them to do rather than rely on AI and how quickly I can click on stuff.

    #4 5 years ago
  5. conk donk

    I have to agree. I love Civilization for its mix of empire building, diplomacy and warfare and wish there were more games like it. There’s plenty of scope on improving the diplomacy side of things for example.

    #5 5 years ago
  6. Gekidami

    Because they’re boring Mr. Card.

    #6 5 years ago
  7. ybfelix

    Civilization is still pretty much a war/tactical game. You got like, settlers and workers? On the offensive units side there are spearman and swordman and pikeman and Aztec Jaguar warrior maybe. If you go for a grand strategy of civilization level, are those minor differentiation of units really neccessary? If worker’s role and upgrade is automatically assigned, shouldn’t military units be
    “genericized” too?

    #7 5 years ago
  8. gorman

    Much as I appreciate his novels, one has to wonder: if you want to play Civilization, then play Civilization. It’s not as if there’s a lack of iterations working on every conceivable hardware out there…

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Scyrenn

    Still waiting for Alpha Centauri 2…

    #9 5 years ago
  10. FeaturePreacher

    A good way to fund more turn based strategy games would be to divert funds away from the homophobic bigot agenda that Card is a part of and towards turn based strategy games. That would be a good start.

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Artheval_Pe

    Because they’re boring Mr. Card.
    You obviously never played Civilization II :p

    #11 5 years ago
  12. Gekidami

    I have Civ IV along with its add-ons (“Complete” Edition). A real snooze fest.

    #12 5 years ago
  13. winter

    yea, i wish there are more turn based strategy games.
    the one i was waiting on was turned into a third person shooter.(front mission series.) :-( i’ll be skipping that for sure.

    …and i’m perfectly fine with turn based games focusing on

    #13 5 years ago

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