Why Forza 5 will only have a mere 200 cars compared to Forza 4′s 500

Thursday, 7th November 2013 00:31 GMT By Ewan Miller

Turn 10 has fired a shot across Polyphony Digital’s bows in their decision not to carry Xbox 360 level cars over to the Xbox One, referencing the large proportion of Gran Turismo 5 and 6′s “non-premium” cars, which began life as PlayStation 2 models. Additionally, many of Forza 4′s tracks won’t be making the jump to Forza 5 because they were either inaccurate or in a few cases, the tracks themselves have changed.

Speaking to Eurogamer, the studio’s creative director Dan Greenawalt discussed studio’s drive for “next-generation quality” among both the game’s tracks and cars.

“We want that to be the standard for next-generation. Our goal’s not to carry old content over – and even with all the cars, we did the same process. There were some inaccuracies, and some cars were old-spec that we’d updated from Forza 2 to 3 to 4. But they didn’t have the poly count where we wanted it – and they weren’t as easy to up-res, so we just recaptured them. Some of them, the spec was good and we could add polygons where we needed them. So it came down to this rating system – and any track or car that wasn’t an A grade got either chucked or recaptured.

“Some of them needed light updating, and some of them needed heavy updating. Silverstone, for example, was a complete recapture. Several of our tracks were just plain wrong, either because they were poorly captured and technology’s moved on, or the track’s changed like Silverstone.”

Of course, all these high quality cars don’t come cheap, either to Turn 10 or Forza’s fans, with a $50 season pass that promises an additional 50 cars over six months. Despite the hefty price tag, Greenawalt says the reaction to the season pass has been mostly positive.

“The response has been good. That’s not to say everyone’s been happy about it. It’s just to say that the response with people that have been buying it and redeeming it, it’s one thing to buy it but if it’s a season pass it’s whether or not you log in every month to get it. People have been making the purchase and then logging in. It’s kind of like the whole gym membership thing – you buy 6 months and you never go. With the season passes, people redeem it, so we’re keeping people playing for 6 months.”

Thanks, Eurogamer.



  1. LordSkyline

    I think what they mean is: “We want to make/sell more DLC”

    #1 12 months ago
  2. Hcw87

    GT6 does feel like a huge copy/paste job from GT5, so he certainly got a point there.

    I’d rather want completely new tracks and cars to race with, rather than racing on the same tracks as the previous game, with the exact same cars.

    #2 12 months ago
  3. Super Girevik


    But you have to fancy Gran Turismo 6′s new skybox technology and future GPS course-maker app.

    My heart will always have room for both :)

    #3 12 months ago
  4. gameoholic007

    Even though that GT copies a lot of the cars over to the next edition, I still rather have GT over Forza because I love having a large variety of cars to race with. Do I wish for those cars to be redone? Of course, but at the same time I’m not a graphics nut either, I care mostly to get across the finish line first, I personally can care less what your car looks like at the beginning, during, or the end of a race, simple as that.

    #4 12 months ago
  5. xxJPRACERxx

    @2 They won’t redo all this for the same console tech. Just like the copy/paste of F3 to F4.

    For me the real cars of GT are the premiums, the standard ones are just bonus and I prefer to have them than not.

    About the tracks, the ones in GT were always better than the Forza ones to begin with.

    #5 12 months ago
  6. Keivz

    I don’t think anyone is surprised by the cuts… ok maybe the track count is lower than expected (and losing the Nürburgring?, really?!), but 200 cars is fine with me.

    They need to offer a free track update in the future, imo. That way you don’t splinter the fan base and folks don’t feel nickeled and dimed.

    #6 12 months ago
  7. fihar

    Wait, they’re dropping the Nordschleife?

    Feels like this is just an excuse for not having enough time to redo those tracks and cars from the ground up.
    FM2 was bad and looking at this now, it seems that Turn 10 tend to struggle with new tech.

    #7 12 months ago
  8. pukem0n

    no Nurburgring = no buy!

    #8 12 months ago
  9. redwood

    lol man.. why do they compare it with GT? GT isn’t next-gen yet.

    #9 12 months ago
  10. truth

    50$ dollars is way over price? They charging you practically what the game cost for essentially 1/4 of the stuff excluding tracks :/. I’d rather by another game thank you.

    GT6 is really mainly the same 1000 cars from gt5 with about 200 new cars. So. There total is about 1200. Which is a lot but still for there ps4 version I hope they start a new.

    #10 12 months ago
  11. Xbone

    They dont have to compete with GT with the number of cars…
    BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD… the minimum would be having the same ammount of car than in the previous title. FUCKIN EPIC FAIL! Xbone fail.

    #11 12 months ago
  12. SameeR_Fisher

    “Why Forza 5 will only have a mere 200 cars compared to Forza 4′s 500″

    Because why not, that way they can sell the extra 300 car as DLCs, easy cash in”

    #12 12 months ago
  13. Bloodstorm

    So short version is : they don’t have time to redo stuff and they are happy to see people buying season pass.
    Awesome !

    #13 12 months ago
  14. torjs99

    i blame everyone that has paid for dlc. its obvious tracks and cars are being held back for gamers to pay for later.

    fuck you dlc buyers!

    #14 12 months ago
  15. GK

    GT6 copy pasta from gt5 :D just stupid man can tell this kind of lies :) new engine,more cars,more tracks,new interface,what else do you want? :D

    Forza looks like goes for easiest way,cut game in mane pieces and make a lot of dlc.microshit strikes again :D

    #15 12 months ago
  16. MrWaffles

    Axing Nürburgring is a fucking disgrace for any racing game.

    #16 12 months ago
  17. robmlufc

    I think its clear that they axed the Nurburgring because they know they can make money from selling it as DLC.

    #17 12 months ago

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