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PS3 GTA IV has five-minute “mandatory install”, 360 version’s is optional?

Thursday, 17th April 2008 07:26 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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This could be very funny. “Skip” – Andrew Pfister, the writer of 1up’s GTA IV preview – has posted on Neogaf saying that the PS3 version of GTA IV features a five-minute mandatory install. Unsurprisingly, teh internets have gone grade A crackers for it.

We’re also reliably informed this morning that the 360 version features an “optional install” as well. We’ll drop Rockstar a note asking for confirmation.

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39 Comments

  1. Psychotext

    Make it stop!

    #1 7 years ago
  2. Zumi

    Eh.. where’s the problem? Is a five minute install that bad? I couldn’t give a flying fuck about it to be honest. I’ll definitely be installing the 360 version, if the option really is there. And make no mistake, the 360 version would have a mandatory install if it wasn’t for the Arcade SKU.

    #2 7 years ago
  3. Chinster

    Why is the internets going crackers about it? Because they see it as good or as bad?

    Personally it’s ace if it improves load times or draw in.

    But then this is GTA4 and people seem to be going crackers over anything to do with it at the moment.

    #3 7 years ago
  4. morriss

    If it makes the game run better – in fact, so info as to what it does exactly would be great – then it might set a new precedent for 360 games.

    #4 7 years ago
  5. Shatner

    The internet going crackers for it = 360 owners making a big deal out of it for the sake of being critical about the other platform.

    Which is kinda funny. Because most of the time they’re saying how they don’t care for Blu-ray and, really, getting up to swap discs in a big game is no inconvenience to them at all. Whereas sitting on your ass for 5 minutes (ahead of sitting on your ass for 6 hours) is the end of the world.

    I’m getting both versions of the game AND have just put a 250gb HD in my PS3. I’m going to install it. Twice. It’ll give me something to do whilst I wait for Xbox live to come back online due to the ‘unprecedented’ demand put on it by GTA players.

    #5 7 years ago
  6. morriss

    /handbags

    #6 7 years ago
  7. Blerk

    iirc, it took the previous PS2 GTA games nearly five minutes to start up every bloody time, so I don’t really see what anyone’s got to complain about here. It’s not a Capcom-like 20-minute install-a-thon.

    #7 7 years ago
  8. Blerk

    Actually, the ‘optional Sixaxis controls for some vehicles’ is the more interesting factoid in that little post. :-D

    #8 7 years ago
  9. morriss

    He says they work well but the Chopper is a little difficult at first but once you get the hang of it, it’s ok.

    #9 7 years ago
  10. Blerk

    Skipping through the bilge in that thread and just reading skip’s comments, I’m sure the PS3 owners will be happy to see that he reckons the performance of the game on both systems is ‘pretty much the same’. Shoddy PS3 port fears dispelled! Go! Shoo! :-D

    #10 7 years ago
  11. Blerk

    Heh:

    “* I once carjacked a dude and his buddy. they didn’t take to well to it, so they pulled me out and started to throw punches. I knocked one of ‘em down, got back in the car, and the other one’s hand got stuck in the door. I dragged him for about 50 feet down the road before shaking him loose.

    * A guy grabs onto my helicopter strut as I’m taking off. I carry him as I ascend, until he falls down hundreds of feet to his (presumed) death.”

    #11 7 years ago
  12. grandmaster

    Sorry but mandatory installs are the bane of my PS3-playing world, mostly because I’m having to shuffle about my content all the time because the hard disk is full.

    To install GT5 Prologue, I had to delete the DMC4 install. So if I want to play DMC4 on my PS3, I’ll need to ‘enjoy’ that 25 minute install again. Or alternatively just instantly load it on my 360.

    Now it’s true to say that as I basically get every PS3 game, this isn’t going to be a problem for everyone. Most likely it’ll take a lot of people a long time to reach ‘critical mass’ as I have (or maybe not if you’ve installed Linux). And maybe in that time, you’d have sold or traded a bunch of games so could remove the installs any way.

    But the point is that I’m never going to have this problem on 360, and for me, the pick up and play element of console gaming is one of its key attractions.

    Of course, none of this would be a problem at all if the installations went from ‘mandatory’ to ‘optional’ as they are in VF5 and RR7 – then everyone would be happy.

    As it is, ‘mandatory’ just seems to be more like ‘lazy’ on behalf of the developers. In stark contrast, take a look at the lovingly crafted Burnout Paradise – a whole 30MB of data stored on the hard disk and that manages to stream in an entire open world from the BD drive with no problems whatsoever. That’s the way to do it.

    #12 7 years ago
  13. Chinster

    Bit like a PC really, it needs clearing out from time to time.

    No real hassles.

    #13 7 years ago
  14. Shatner

    grandmaster, I paid £52 for a 250gb drive. You can get 160gb drives for less than £35.

    Upgrade your harddisk you cheapskate! :P

    #14 7 years ago
  15. Tiger Walts

    5 Minutes really is nothing. I bet it’s all the radio audio. I shall be opting for an install on the 360, if there is one.

    #15 7 years ago
  16. Blerk

    I’d be very surprised if it was the radio audio, that’s one of the easiest things to stream straight from the disc, isn’t it?

    I wonder if they’ve gone for higher-quality audio on the PS3 version given they’ve got a gazillion gigs of Blu-Ray to fill?

    #16 7 years ago
  17. Shatner

    I’d be willing to lay bets that the same percentage of hard-disk-360 owners choose to install to their hard disks as do PS3 owners.

    #17 7 years ago
  18. Whizzo

    Bring on the installs for 360 games if it will improve performance, I’ve got a hard drive, use the bloody thing more.

    #18 7 years ago
  19. Tiger Walts

    I’m not to sure about the speed of the 20GB 360 drive, I swear that the Shivering Isles stuff takes longer than the disc assets to load. (less likely to crash though, stupid caching bug)

    #19 7 years ago
  20. DrDamn

    Don’t see an issue. The HD being a standard feature of the PS3 is one of the few things Sony got right and MS got wrong this gen. If you can use it to improve the game performance then obviously do it. Be interesting to see the difference between 360 no-install and 360 install versions.

    @grandmaster
    Have you just got game installs on your PS3 HD? Or lots of movies/music? If it’s music/movies then clean them out – if they are all essential then maybe you should have done the obvious thing and upgraded your HD from the start? The PS3 has utilities built in to the XMB to back-up current HD to an external USB HD and then reinstall them to your new bigger HD. Ok it would take a little time but its still a hell of a lot quicker than waiting 15 weeks for MS to send you a cable so you can copy stuff onto a new overpriced 120Gb.

    If it’s just game installs then surely you aren’t still playing *all* of them. I’m stuggling to come up with enough games which require installs that would fill even the smaller 40Gb HD.

    #20 7 years ago
  21. Tonka

    We all know the 360 version will be the better option. Why are you fighting this?

    GTA has a new home. And it’s on the 360.

    #21 7 years ago
  22. Whizzo

    If you’ve bought the 360 120 gig hard drive, the cable and transfer disc are in the box. I don’t begrudge paying 80 quid for a 120 gig drive though, I don’t spend time arsing around trying to fit everything on my hard drive any more.

    #22 7 years ago
  23. Blerk

    “We all know the 360 version will be the better option. Why are you fighting this?

    GTA has a new home. And it’s on the 360.”

    You are Peter Moore aicmfp!

    Aren’t you supposed to have renounced that line now? You doing the “PCs are crap, we’re not supporting them any more” tattoos now. ^_^

    #23 7 years ago
  24. XDamage

    That should be what, one, maybe two gigs? Oh n000s, my HDD is teh full! Not.

    Anyways, I hope the install eliminates any pop-ups and draw-ins that might plague their uninstalled brethren. :)

    #24 7 years ago
  25. Chinster

    Please don’t hold your breath!

    #25 7 years ago
  26. DrDamn

    I suspect the install differences will be similar to the Unreal Tournament install differences. Reduced texture pop-in.

    @Whizzo
    Ah didn’t know the 120Gb HD came with a cable packed in. Basing experience off a friend who upgraded to an Elite. Delivery times there are seriously poor. You should begrudge the price of the 120Gb HD though surely? Yeah its a lot more convenient and I’m tempted myself but the cost really gets to me when drives are so cheap these days. Then again I’m tempted to upgrade to an Elite at some point for the extra HD and convenience of HDMI so what do I know :)

    #26 7 years ago
  27. scuz

    i have no troubles installing considering i just bought a 250gb 2.5” drive for £25.

    so beat. just beat it

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it

    #27 7 years ago
  28. Hero of Canton

    Oh noes! Five whole minutes! What will PS3 owners do? /o\

    #28 7 years ago
  29. Tiger Walts

    They should put the install up on the Marketplace. That way we can swap our 5 min install for a 2 hr download. ;P

    #29 7 years ago
  30. Blerk

    “Just beat it, beat it”

    #30 7 years ago
  31. Tonka

    Come this holiday season. When the keys to the gates of two whole new boroughs are handed* out. Do you really want to be stuck with the scotch tape version of GTAIV?

    Come now. We all know it was inevitable. GTA has a new home.

    *handed does not imply given for free

    #31 7 years ago
  32. XDamage

    Lol, two whole new boroughs. :D Keep on dreaming. ;)

    #32 7 years ago
  33. Tonka

    Oh, and come April 35th. Millions of proud GTA owners will be able to play their game 5 minutes earlier than others.

    Who wants to be the first to set foot in a true Next Gen Liberty City?

    GTA has a new home.*

    *The 360 dumbass

    #33 7 years ago
  34. XDamage

    Tonka, your xbot act is great! :D

    #34 7 years ago
  35. Tonka

    As fun as it is I wish I got paid for it.

    #35 7 years ago
  36. grandmaster

    @grandmaster
    Have you just got game installs on your PS3 HD? Or lots of movies/music? If it’s music/movies then clean them out – if they are all essential then maybe you should have done the obvious thing and upgraded your HD from the start? The PS3 has utilities built in to the XMB to back-up current HD to an external USB HD and then reinstall them to your new bigger HD. Ok it would take a little time but its still a hell of a lot quicker than waiting 15 weeks for MS to send you a cable so you can copy stuff onto a new overpriced 120Gb.

    My content is exclusively game installs, game saves and PSN titles. I don’t even have any playable demos. The point is I want to “plug and play” gameplay, I shouldn’t have to be studying my hard disk figuring what to delete just because developers are being lazy.

    Think about it – just owning Lost Planet, DMC4 and GT5 Prologue would eat up around 40% of the usable space on a 40GB PS3.

    And it still doesn’t answer my point that developers should be going for optional installs rather than mandatory ones.

    And why on Earth should I have to pay £50 for a 250GB HDD because some developer out there is being lazy?

    Wierdly I still use my launch 20GB drive with my 360 Elite because I just can’t be bothered to port all the content across. And despite having around 10 playable demos on it, I still have 6GB free – which will be good for an awful lot of save games even if I couldn’t be bothered to remove the old demos.

    The 120GB 360 HDD is only really of interest if you use it as media player, and I’ve got a media PC for that.

    #36 7 years ago
  37. DrDamn

    @Grandmaster
    Ok games should be as plug and play as possible, but the HD is a part of the standard hardware and therefore if the dev wants to use it and it improves the game then why not? The 360 is well known to have a faster optical drive with better seek times. I don’t think this is simply down to a lazy dev – its a
    consequence of trying to provide the best game experience they can. It is optional on the 360 *because* the 360 doesn’t have a HD as standard, if it did then it would be compulsary there too.

    #37 7 years ago
  38. jesusjuice411

    I’m buying gta4 for the ps3.
    I have had all I can take with the RROD thing and having to talk to “MAX”.
    My xbox360 broke right after I bought Burnout Paradise City
    and that sucked.I had to wait like 3 weeks to play it.

    #38 7 years ago
  39. Daniel Plainview

    non issue

    #39 7 years ago

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