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Started 3 months ago by monkeygourmet
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monkeygourmet
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In a similar theme to the Xbox 720 DOA thread:

Well, not that dramatic, but still not a great start:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-25-nintendos-wii-u-sales-struggle

Nice amount of doom and gloom though.

The price cut thing actually really helped the 3DS, but as Lex I think pointed out, 2 Nintendo consoles cutting price so soon after launch might pollute the brand a bit.

Mind you, all was forgoten quite quickly with the 3DS and now it's selling like the preverbial 'hot cakes'.

Once the Xbox / PS4 release, the Wii U won't get all the 3rd party stuff, thats pretty much a fact (power ratio is not there). So, assuming that, the only thing Nintendo and other devs will be able to do is put out Exclusives.

This strangely could make the Wii U a console of pure exclusives but with more power than the original Wii.

Already we have:

Zombie U
NSMBU
Nintendoland
Rayman
Lego Undercover
Bayonetta 2
Pikmin 3
new 3D Mario
new Mario Kart
Wii Fit U
New Monolith RPG
Fire Emblem
Scribblenauts
New Zelda
Zelda Windwaker HD
Yoshi's Yarn
Super Smash Brothers U
Warioware
P 100
Monster Hunter

I mean, thats already a huge list considering the thing has only just come out. I think thats more exclusives than have ever got released for 360 in it's whole lifetime (joke!).

Then we'll probably see things like:

Zombie U 2
Starfox?
Capcom exclusive?
Prof Layton U?
And maybe more at E3.

So it looks like the Wii U will become the console for exclusive games, maybe even moreso than the Wii due to extra power and HD.

Question is, will they really struggle without third party?

If a lot of those games come out this year / early next year, when the PS4 / 720 arrive the Wii U will have almost 30 exclusives maybe more. At best the 720 / PS4 will take a year or so to establish themselves, maybe that total will reach 60 plus?

It's a crazy amount really.

Posted 3 months ago #
daytripper
Member

it will do alright in the long run. i dont expect ps4 and xbox to have great launches either.

Posted 3 months ago #
Psychotext
Member

They've burned a ton of their hardcore gamer goodwill with the Wii, and this thing just isn't interesting to casual gamers (yet).

It's going to be a very painful year for them.

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
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I have to agree with Psychotext....I'm now headed to put a bullet in my head :D

and bitch all you want but every single person on here knows I'm right. Nintendo took a gamble on cheap hardware with gimmick motion controls and came out big time but truthfully the Wii U should have been the machine Nintendo launched in 2006. I really think Nintendo has shot themselves in the foot because they'll have to always play catch up in terms of Graphics and tech later with SONY and Microsoft.

Gamers don't want something as close to the current thing with the same similar offering as the Wii. We want graphics and gameplay that will go beyond PS3 and 360 not alongside them.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Psycho

Hasn't MS done a similar thing?

Also, what is hardcore?

I would say hardcore is playing Ni No Kuni (ps3) rather than COD and COD Elite?

It's kind of subjective, I think the Wii had some of the most 'hardcore' games, obviously with a lot of shit too.

I mean look at Dead Space 3 (marketing would call it 'hardcore' but it's now got micro transactions...), the paradigms have shifted, surely?

Posted 3 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

There is no hardcore gamer market anymore. Period.

WiiU will be alright, it will be more gamecube then Wii tho from a sales perspective.

The question to really ask imo, are next gen consoles DOA?

I think they will stuggle to say the lest. And in a world were sucsess is achieved by constantly moving the goalposts and setting higher records, many may well the next gen as a complete failure.

Me, on the other hand I believe the market is still going to be there. Just will be far more deversified then has been in the past.

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
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"Hasn't MS done a similar thing"?

How what do you mean?

"Also, what is hardcore"?

http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/28/final-fantasy-agnis-philosophy-tech-demos-surface/

"I mean look at Dead Space 3 (marketing would call it 'hardcore' but it's now got micro transactions...), the paradigms have shifted, surely"?

Micro transactions have nothing to do with hardcore. Its gameplay and graphics. Motion based games are generally simple and easy hence casual while long strings of complex inputs like a 10 hit Tekken combo are hardcore.

Posted 3 months ago #
Psychotext
Member

"There is no hardcore gamer market anymore. Period."

Complete and utter rubbish. Go and take a look at the charts and tell me it's not the same games near the top time after time. CoD, Halo, Gran Turismo, Fifa, Madden, GTA, Gears. All AA / AAA titles with the odd inclusion of some random dance or party game.

You can argue that's casual, but I'd argue that casual is now facebook and ipad games and core is what we see "typical" gamers buying. The definitions and borders have changed, but the market remains.

You think the same people who bought the Wii in their droves near launch are buying the Wii U? Do you not remember the insane mass market appeal that the Wii had? I lined up on launch day with OAPs who had seen it on daytime TV and really wanted to have a go at Wii Sports.

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
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"There is no hardcore gamer market anymore. Period".

Are you on crack?

Tekken,Street Fighter,GTA,and GEARS are casual?

Just because the 360 has no games in the past 3 years and now slings out Kinect shit after shit doesn't mean SONY isn't producing games like a new God of War or The Last of Us. You might want to second think about hanging around O'Connor so much. The effects of delusion are coming in. Ain't shit casual about doing a perfect string of combos in Mortal kombat for stupid imaginary trophies....thats fucking hardcore.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@TEA

MS with Kinect, Smart Glass; less reliance on exclusives, basically, coasting...

When micro transactions directly make gameplay easier, then surely that feeds into the whole 'casual' argument? I mean, that's why they offer them (apart from milking more cash), as a way to appeal to a wider audience.

Gameplay & Graphics? I think you are confused.

For example, lets remove the graphics and sound effects from these games leaving you with blank models with zero textures:

Killzone
Uncharted
God of War

Then:

Mario Galaxy

Without the graphics to back them up, the first 3 (would be the same for MS exclusives Aswell IMO) would be awful. The gameplay clearly doesn't stand up without the graphical flair.

Mario however, would still play like a dream. Less enjoyable, but the core gameplay would be identifiable.

Of course graphics help, but then we get into the whole style of substance thing.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

Also, the Wii U launched with Tekken Tag (with extra feaures), Black Ops 2, Zombie U etc...

The Vita is a super hardcore triple A bad boy, how's that selling?

Basically; y'all talkin' shit! :)

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

People are in denial if you can't understand the line between the Wii and Wii U. The Wii has lost its steam and Nintendo needed a machine that wouldn't alienate the hardcore before SONY and Microsoft launched their new consoles. You seriously think anyone hardcore would be interested in the Wii U if it launched alongside the PS4 or 720 with what it has now?

Nintendo shot themselves in the foot by taking the easy safe route with low specs and motion gimmick in 06 and it alienated its hardcore audience for casuals. now they are trying to get the hardcore back before its too late and its not working (until Mario,Zelda,and Metroid) but the casuals seem happy with there original Wii and 20-30 minutes of wii sports here and there a month.

Who in their right mind will drop their PS3 or 360 for the Wii U when games look the same and they already have a vast investment in games and trophies/cheevos. Things will only get worse for the Wii U when we see that first next gen title running off of a dev kit from PS4 or 720.... watch.

Posted 3 months ago #
Ireland Michael
Moderator

"You seriously think anyone hardcore would be interested in the Wii U if it launched alongside the PS4 or 720 with what it has now?"

Outdated hardware that was years behind the curve certainly never stopped the PS2 from selling a buttload...

Or the Wii.

Or the DS.

Or the 3DS.

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

"When micro transactions directly make gameplay easier, then surely that feeds into the whole 'casual' argument? I mean, that's why they offer them (apart from milking more cash), as a way to appeal to a wider audience".

No it doesn't! Micro transactions are nothing but paid cheat codes like we used back in the day on PS2 and XBOX....are you smoking/sniffing the same stuff O.G. is? You guys need to stop hanging with O'Connor man I swear. Dude will fuck your logical thinking up.

"Gameplay & Graphics? I think you are confused".

"For example, lets remove the graphics and sound effects from these games leaving you with blank models with zero textures":

Why would I do that?! I'd have a fucking Wii then and thats still on my book shelf brand new never opened still collecting dust. And I never played Mario Galaxy but you don't hear me saying its casual either. The Wii has some nice hardcore games. Donkey Kong,Zelda,Mario Galaxy but for the other 90% shit on it, its casual! Wii Sports? Wii Sports resort? Those are games made for old people and new people coming into gaming. PS3 and 360 have their fair share of casual coming into games for the first time too, but they're generally both hardcore machines with 80% being hardcore and now just recently %20 dedicated to casuals.

Posted 3 months ago #
Ireland Michael
Moderator

Too cool for school, eh?

Funny how the stuff for "old people" outsold everything else...

If only it had the power of the Cell processor!

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

"The Vita is a super hardcore triple A bad boy, how's that selling"?

"Basically; y'all talkin' shit!" :)

Whose talking shit? I'll be the first to admit the Vita's not selling like hot cakes but thats fine as long as they keep making games for me (the hardcore)I'll keep buying them. Thats why I bought a vita. I had a choice a few years back....grow up with the tech or grow up still playing pokemon and stay a virgin....guess which one I chose ;)

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@TEA

A wild Virgin appears...

Virgin talks rubbish, it's ultra effective!

Posted 3 months ago #
Dragon246
Member

Another hypocritical thread. Looks like some people just like to stir up shit.
Oh, and hardcore audience exists. They are the people who buy games regularly on consoles, unlike many wii owners.
And really, if those are it for exclusives, then it really isnt a big number. Many of them will eventually arrive on ps4/720 in upgraded form and MH isnt even an exclusive.

Posted 3 months ago #
livewired500
Member

"Outdated hardware that was years behind the curve certainly never stopped the PS2 from selling a buttload...

Or the Wii.

Or the DS.

Or the 3Ds."

Or the fact that Nintendo has been behind on hardware since the N64 and the decision not to go CD and stuck with cartridge.

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

"Too cool for school, eh"?

"Funny how the stuff for "old people" outsold everything else"...

"If only it had the power of the Cell processor"!

Nope just being real not cool. I have a Wii U and love it and wish Nintendo would have released it in 2006 and I would stand here and say Nintendo came back and whooped SONY ass for the king of consoles proudly but thats not the case.

Also I meant old people and young kids. Nintendo strategy for targeting young kids is damn right genius because there are more 5-9 year olds on this planet than us older middle age people. Bravo for them,but why not cater to both back in 2006 and not split the market with two consoles like the Wii and Wii U are.

As to your cell processor mocking feel free but that processor is what created games like the Uncharted series and many people from all around the industry foes and friends know that a game like that is only possible on one console...the PS3 ;)

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Dragon

Stir shit up?

Your an idiot, I started by posting an article about how shitty the Wii U is doing.

I'm talking about wether third party will effect Wii U, maybe it will?

Fact is for a JRPG fan you'd be missing out if you don't start getting some Nintendo consoles at some point.

You keep cutting off your nose to spite your face, be careful, you must be nearing the bone by now.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@TEA

Also, if your Wii is gathering dust, donate it too an old people's home you selfish mofo! :)

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

@TEA

"Also, if your Wii is gathering dust, donate it too an old people's home you selfish mofo!" :)

I bought it for my daughter back on black friday in 2010 because it was dirt cheap, had Wii Motion Plus, and two free games packaged inside. She never opened it so there it sits. maybe one day she'll give it to her kids. I don't know but its hers not mine and she prefers PlayStation MOVE believe it or not. Sorcery is her favorite game at the moment.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@TEA

But how does she know is she doesn't play?

Okay... I think Dad has had a little more influence on this situation that he's letting on...

Trying to make her into a little TEAPOT to carry on your Sony love eh?! ;)

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

My Wii U tag is Monkeygourmet, you should try the Balloon Fight score challenge, that is hardcore my friend! Also, you have an advantage cause games only run in 50hz here! :)

Posted 3 months ago #
Dragon246
Member

@mg,
Dont worry about Jrpgs, vita (and fuckton on ps3 )has a ton of them. 3ds only has Fire Emblem that excites me and wiiu is just barren right now. Ps3 and vita will get a new Ys this year, so I am covered in all accounts.
Oh, and remember you said mmos will be the big thing for wiiu, looks like you are wrong.... again.
You should just stop your prediction store since you must have been buried in lies by now.

Posted 3 months ago #
Psychotext
Member

I should check my activity log on the Wii. I suspect I've not actually turned it on since 2010.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Dragon

12 year old detected, I can't really bother anymore.

I have a horrible feeling I've been arguing with a 12 year old child for the last few months, I guess the jokes on me.

Predictions now equal lies?

Oh dear...

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Psycho

But Wii Fit will now make you run a 4 minute mile... :/

Posted 3 months ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

@TEA

"But how does she know is she doesn't play?

Okay... I think Dad has had a little more influence on this situation that he's letting on...

Trying to make her into a little TEAPOT to carry on your Sony love eh?!" ;)

Now what father would ever teach his daughter to settle for anything less than she's worth ;) Wouldn't you steer your daughter in the right decision to the best and want her to have the finer things in life?

Shes not a picky child she doesn't need a lot of toys to keep her happy and content. Shes the only child I know who can pick out one thing in Toys R' Us and not reach for something else by the time we check out. Plus SONY made a cool choice of putting multiple LED's of different colors in the MOVE. Kids like that color changing stuff.

But make no mistake she knows who Mario is. I have all of the episodes of the TV show cartoon on my PS3 hard drive. No console discrimination in my house.

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