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1. Mike W
   Member

   I would love to get you guys honest opinion on this situation. I feel like a good percent of the third party developers were lacking this generation.

   If I had to name one developer that really fucked up this generation, it will have to go to Capcom. I know a lot you guys didn't witness Capcom's greatness during the PS2 and Gamecube days, but during that time frame, the company was extremely creative.

   Nowadays, Capcom is a fucking joke. I feel like this company took all of their major franchises and ruined them. For example, Resident evil 5 was the beginning of their downward spiral to being a trash publisher and developer. I hated RE 5, even until this day. Everything about that game pissed me off, from the story all the way to the controls of the game. But the one thing that made me trade that piece of shit in, was the look of the game.

   Anyone who played RE 4 played RE 5. I have no idea why it took them four years to put RE 4 in HD and I'm not even going into their other franchises.

   So please, lets talk, I would love to hear you guy's/girl's opinions.

   Posted 4 months ago #

2. lexph3re
   Member

   I feel that way. It's why this gen I based a lot of my purchases of consoles on exclusives as opposed to 3rd party offerings. Sure the big guys had some good hits. But, how much garbage they shipped this gen is pretty bad. So many games with potential short changed just so it can hit the market faster. NeverDead is a prime example that game had cut mechanics similar to MGSR. It had mad potential but half way through the game you can see they must have ran out of time.

   There are so many other games that suffered this fate of shortened dev time. That's why I just did a lot more exclusive watching this gen more then anything else.

   Posted 4 months ago #

3. polygem
   Member

   i hear you. i thought lost planet was pretty good, not flawless but the game had potential. i thought lost planet 2 will finally show some capcom glory again...then came lost planet 2.

   what sega did to sonic made me sad as well, but he had some good moments too and is on his way back to glory now it seems.

   Posted 4 months ago #

4. CyberMarco
   Member

   I think that the greediness of the industry got to the next level with this gen, from where to start.

   Unpolished/buggy games that require patch after patch to become remotely enjoyable. Season passes, day 1 DLC and on-disk locked content. Rushing to publish games to get the audience's attention and make a fast cash-grab and delivering half-assed games with immense potential but miserably executed and killing some franchises for good.

   Also one other thing that really bothered me was the F2P market, so awful, just pay2win games. Wasting money for digital weapons, power-ups and gold that will last for the next 24h, can't think of a valid reason why someone would endorse that. In the end people don't know what to do with their money sometimes.

   Posted 4 months ago #

5. Da Man
   Member

   I hate Gears of War. Stupid Epic released the pos just to hit the market before Uncharted. Why couldn't they wait and take their time to make it PS3 exclusive?

   Posted 4 months ago #

6. Mike W
   Member

   @CyberMarco

   Good point, real good point.

   @DaMan

   I think Gears of War 2 killed the series for me. The freaking story for the sequel was a love story (are you kidding me?) Gears of War 3's story was just as bad, but it was fun as hell to play with 3 other people.

   Posted 4 months ago #

7. Hunam
   Member

   I wouldn't say ruined, but Bioware have made some utterly baffling games this generation. They started out perfect with Mass Effect and Dragon Age, but then decided to be action game developers with ME2 and DA2. ME3 was an uncomfortable compromise between what they want to do and what they used to do.

   SWTOR was brilliant but misjudged. It was a fantastic experience but it lacked proper endgame, PvP was very fun but badly supported and balanced and the game to free to play was done so bad it's corrupted the entire game.

   Although this was pandemic across EA at this point. With such gems like Dead Space, Bad Company and Mirror's Edge being amazing, original games and then they went too far with 'streamlining' and 'wider appeal' and ended up with something like Syndicate.

   Posted 4 months ago #

8. Da Man
   Member

   Tbh, Gears of War is one of the games which indeed ruined third person shooters (not even joking this time) by popularizing the bloody cover system.

   Now in addition to Sands of Time pioneered 'platforming' where the only thing you have to do is pressing a button to perform moves while being in the radius of an obstacle, we have shooters where you can press a button to take cover.

   Posted 4 months ago #

9. Gheritt White
   Member

   Microsoft - what they did to Rare, Lionhead and Ensemble was utterly abysmal.

   Posted 4 months ago #

10. Ireland Michael
    Moderator

    I couldn't pick one single developer. Even Activision's religious pursuit of mediocrity is easy to ignore.

    I'd say what's ruined this gen the most for me is the utter lack of creativity, originality and experimentation present in it. It's something that gets worse and worse the more this gen goes on too.

    Thank god for the indie market, or there would be almost nothing worth playing right now.

    Posted 4 months ago #

11. DSB
    Member

    I couldn't agree more Michael.

    AAA development is destructive not just to my desire to spend time on games, but obviously also to the companies themselves.

    Instead of thrilling people with an interesting premise or amazing design, you get a 50 million dollar marketing campaign. Great value! We get screwed, and the publisher throws money away to the point of undermining their own business.

    You can always go "Oh well, next gen is around the corner" but that's not really an excuse for sleeping through the one we're in.

    They should be taking a page from indies, actively expanding their repertoire and trying to renew the medium a bit. But instead they focus on nickle and diming the audience they have now, when they should be making sure that they'll still have one tomorrow.

    Posted 4 months ago #

12. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    Hell yea...every third developing bastard who didn't take full use of the Cell processor. Fuck all of them. Instead of trying to push the industry to new heights all they chased after was profits and still lost.

    I'll give their lazy asses passes on their first or second released title this gen but dammit by the third title they should have released something on Uncharted 3 or KillZone 3 level of tech and graphics. Crytek's first game for this generation consoles was Crysis 2 and I think they did a way better job than so called industry big shots like Bethesda and THQ. Theres no reason why any third party title from 2010 and up should be inferior on the PS3 after everyone witnessed and played the power house that was Uncharted 2.

    and before any of you fuckers play the "SONY shouldn't have made the Cell so hard to program for" card I say fuck that. These guys are devs thats their job to get this hardware and unlock its potential. This is why they get paid big bucks to make video games. If Criterion,Square Enix,Crytek,and id software can do it than so can the others.

    Posted 4 months ago #

13. Ireland Michael
    Moderator

    lolcellprocessor

    Yeah, if only we'd harnessed Sony's uninimaginable power, this generation would have been so much better.

    Ell Ooh Ell.

    Posted 4 months ago #

14. absolutezero
    Member

    Platform holders ruined this generation by turning what should be boxes for playing Video Games into multi-media everything to everyone watered down confusingly set up cluster fucks.

    The 360 right now is an absolute mess to try and navigate about. Everything is buried behind 5 different menus all with their own ads running in the corner.

    Then you try and do anything on the PS3 and it takes half an hour to load anything, comparing trophies, d-loading, installing patches, connecting to the server, loading trophy information, installing data, opening the store, attempting to again find something buried behind bullshit.

    Posted 4 months ago #

15. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    You know you deserve to be in a stray jacket and locked in a "cell" with the key thrown away when you laugh at the processor thats responsible for taking games to a new level and is home to the Uncharted series. The series that makes the VGA's even slightly meaningful.

    Uncharted series > 360 entire exclusive library. ;)

    Posted 4 months ago #

16. absolutezero
    Member

    Taking games to the next level of waiting around 20 minutes before even being allowed to press start.

    Man DM get in here stat you have some work to do.

    Posted 4 months ago #

17. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    I'm sure MGS4 came out before Uncharted kid and I have no idea what you're talking about. Uncharted has no load or install times. Calling for back up from your 360 gang huh? LMAO you've been all up and down SONY articles today. Whats the matter poor baby....did you have a nightmare that the PS3 ate you up along side the 360 global sales ;) be careful don't cry so much don't want you to RROD yourself :P

    Posted 4 months ago #

18. Ireland Michael
    Moderator

    "Uncharted series > 360 entire exclusive library. ;)"

    Agreed. Phenomenal games.

    Posted 4 months ago #

19. absolutezero
    Member

    Oh God he called me a 360 fanboy.

    My shameful secret has been revealed. Even though I shat all over the 360 about 5 posts up. Good job champ. A for effort.

    Right so to date I've been a PC neckbeard, a 360 fanboy and a Nintendo baby. I really gotta start bigging up Sony so I can complete my collection of retarded insults.

    Posted 4 months ago #

20. viralshag
    Member

    I'm not sure I feel the same way about Uncharted. I loved the first, the second was bit of a struggle and by the third I just couldn't get into it.

    Don't get me wrong, the game looks brilliant but the gameplay felt simple and repetitive. Maybe I missed something in the last game but I didn't feel like there was anything innovative or original in the franchise.

    So I always find it funny that the lack of creativity is blamed on one hand and then a series like Uncharted is praised the next.

    I don't think I could say any third-party has let me down as most of them have had a few gems during this long gen. Even Capcom had Dragon's Dogma and SF IV.

    Posted 4 months ago #

21. ManuOtaku
    Member

    I agree with ireland and DSB, thats my views exactly, but what we can expect, we have the industry that reflects our image, thats the way they are reading us as consumers, i think the fault is 50/50 here.

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22. viralshag
    Member

    Agreed Manu. I think the popularity of gaming has been a real double edged sword. Obviously, an increase of popularity is a good thing but that also means a new majority can set a different tone to what was previously favoured.

    It's just the way things go.

    Posted 4 months ago #

23. Gadzooks!
    Member

    Apart from the crushing disappointment of SSX I’ve not been disappointed by third party devs this gen.

    Sony kinda ruined this gen for me though. Firstly by shitting out absolutely the worst console I’ve ever owned. Everything from the OS to the controller to the godawful online service stinks.

    Secondly by squeezing out the most banal, soulless, gameplay-free pieces of semi-interactive..… no, I can’t bring myself to call them games. There are a few exceptions, but overall the low standard of gameplay in PS3 offerings is insulting.

    Narrow corridors, QTE’s, cutscenes and useless AI : This is Sony’s first-party legacy from this gen. The shameful appeasement of the slack-jawed Sunday afternoon matinee crowd. “Look Ma! S’all purdy, an I don’t have to do much o’ nothing neither! Jus’ press the doohickey once in a while!”

    Thirdly Sony royally screwed up by creating a machine so awkward that it drained the resources of all developers that touched it. That would have been okay if the results had been worth it, but apart from a very small handful of games every title performed noticeably better on the 360.

    Ultimately all that supposed power in the CELLOL processor was just not there, and the much simpler, straightforward, developer-friendly 360 architecture outperformed it. Halo 4, Forza: Horizon, Witcher 2. These games equal or better any PS3 exclusive visually, but most importantly they do so while giving the gamer freedom, scope, AI and customisation that the PS3’s restrictive architecture simply cannot manage.

    Sony are making the correct choice by ditching that useless piece of crap processor for next gen. Even they realise the error of their ways, and I’m sure they see the damage they have caused to the industry with inflated dev budgets and the unnecessary duplication of effort in getting engines to run on hardware that should never have been given a green light in the first place.

    Hopefully next gen will be better. Sony have thrown that crap out and fallen in line like good little ducks by producing what should be a developer-friendly system. Dev costs should fall and third parties should have a much easier time with multiplatform games.

    Of course the damage is already done to Sony. They lost half their market share and vast amounts of money. They fully deserved to, but being so abjectly humbled by MS and Nintendo will hopefully prevent them from ever attempting another ridiculous monstrosity like the PS3 ever again.

    Posted 4 months ago #

24. daytripper
    Member

    Gaming communities have gone downhill this generation never mind third parties, sad to see but well done to those who wanted to ruin them, mission accomplished, you can send in the reserves for bonus xp next gen.

    Posted 4 months ago #

25. Eddie Rodrigues
    Member

    @daytripper I was actually going to say more or less the same thing: The industry is great, the gamers are horrible.

    Just see people appraising PS2 and talking trash about PS3 or even the 360, or Wii being defamed by 'hardcore' gamers saying it is for kiddos only, and people talking trash about EA as a whole and not remembering there are multiple studios within (e.g. I love DICE but BioWare isn't appealing to me)or even console gamers supporting their choice by saying shit about PC gamers and vice and versa... Well I gladly see less of these gamers IRL, but trying to reason with someone on the internet or in a game lobby is simply excruciating...

    Posted 4 months ago #

26. Telepathic.Geometry
    Member

    I must be one of the few people incredibly happy with this generation. Look at all the fucking quality games I got this gen:

    Batman: Arkham Asylum; Batman: Arkham City; Bioshock; Borderlands; Borderlands 2; Braid; Castlevania: Lords of Shadow; Dark Souls; Darksiders II; Deathspank; Dead Space; Dead Space 2; Demon's Souls; Deus Ex: Human Revolution; Dishonored; Dyad; Fallout 3; Far Cry 3; Heavy Rain;

    Infamous 1; Infamous 2; Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning; Limbo; Lumines; Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom (I love this game, despite its flaws); Mass Effect 2; Okami HD; Prince of Persia; Pixeljunk Shooter 1; Pixeljunk Shooter 2; Skyrim; Uncharted 1: Drake’s Fortune; Uncharted 2: Amongst Thieves; Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception; Vanquish; XCOM: Enemy Unknown;

    And in the pipe we have The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, The Last Guardian (HOPE!!!), Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Dead Space 3, Bioshock: Infinite (Is it even possible that this won't be awesome?), Metro: Last Light, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2.

    I know that we're all often down on the gaming industry, and in some ways a lot of bad things have crept in - like buggy games, micro-transaction nickel and diming, DLC cut from the main game experience - but if I just look at that raft of high quality games, it's hard to be anything but extremely happy with the state of the games industry right now, as a consumer.

    Posted 4 months ago #

27. Vice
    Member

    It sounds like OP is more unhappy with Capcom specifically, rather than anything else.

    However I do completely agree with you on that one:
    all resident evils past code veronica (or remake if we count it) are a huge fuck up for me, well 4 was at least a quality game, but 5th is, as you pointed out, a RE4 HD. A very shitty RE4 HD. With the only redeeming part of it being Wesker's cuscenes. But the way they treated him in the end made me become a huge Capcom hater.
    Street Fighter-4 had incredibly shitty graphics to the point of ruining it and all it's crossovers for me, while I loved them very much when they were 2d.
    Devil May Cry 4 was horrible, while recent reboot is actually a pretty decent game, I still hate new Dante looks.

    But otherwise, getting back on topic here, mostly I can't say I'm disappointed. Japanese developers seem to really fell behind this gen though. Capcom due reasons already mentioned, Square with horrible new Final Fantasies, refusing to do remake of beloved FF7, while releasing shitty FF13 sequels to an already shitty game to begin with and FF14. No new Parasite Eve's (I don't count this portable crap with weird (and I'm being nice by calling it "weird") story, no new good franchises overall (did I miss something?). Namco pushes half-assed Soul Caliburs and Tekkens went full retard recently with pandas, beers, kenguru, idiotic super attacks and more characters with ridiculous haircuts.

    Western developers though are, I'd say, on the full rise. So many good games. Mass Effects, Batman Arkham series, Gears of War, Halo, well it's no point to mention it all here, somebody did before. As a person who can't stand any kind of multiplayer or coop however, my only wish is for them to focus on single player more and stop castrating main campaigns in order to add more "maps" or whatever to the multiplayer.

    Posted 4 months ago #

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