Ps3 surpasses 360 in shipped units

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Started 5 months ago by Dragon246
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lexph3re
Member

That's not denial at all. It isn't, it's more so in terms of a complete package but it's definitely isn't completely solo on the market. And granted from everyone I have met and talked to say it feels like this is what the Wii should have been but it's not leaps and bounds above anything on the market as is.

Honestly, this current gen is just merely prolonged now that wii u is hear. Sony/MS don't have to bring a ps4 or 720 out. All they have to do is bring out new skus of current hardware with maybe 1/2 gb more and peripherals that amplify the experience. In other words this gen is about to be like Sega and it's additive to the hardware i.e sega cd/expansion slots/software upgrades. They do that and they won't even have to waste a single bit on new hardware

Posted 5 months ago #
daytripper
Member

So which gobshite created the account called Dark Knight? Xbots, primary school here at times

Posted 5 months ago #
Ireland Michael
Moderator

You can claim whatever you want to about the hardware, but that doesn't change the fact that it a next-gen console. It's the next device from the company in the hardware cycle. That's all it needs to be.

Posted 5 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

Boys look. And I really don't care enough one way or another. While I own and play on all of the consoles, I play the PC day to day. I am a PC gamer.

However, let me point out that late gen adaptors don't have a major impact on the biz side of the console market(esp in terms of Software). Let that sink in a bit. Wrap your heads around it. Think about it. I read a gameindustry piece on it this past summer when they noted that PS3 was catching up and it was irrelevent. Note, this is me pairaphrasing their article. Not so much my opinion, tho I agree with it.

Late gen console sales are made up of three major types of gamers.

Types:

Budget gamers. These guys play last gen tech a long time. When they do finaly move on to newer tech, they do so as late gen purchasers. These buyers don't traditionaly buy a lot of games and they prefer second hand, cheaper games. Their impact is minimal on a companies bottom line. Beyond the purchase of the hardware they offer very little support.

Casual gamers. These gamers enjoy the ocasional game. And while they often own consoles, they don't put a premium on playing cutting edge systems or games. Often times casual gamers buy cheaper, non trip a software, older outdated versions of long running franchises, and are also very prone to buying the few games they do buy as second hand copies. A gamer in this group would be happy buying FIFA 2010 for a fiver, while avoiding the full priced new release.

Multiple console owners. These guys are prolly the best of the lot. They already own a competetiters system. And once a system reaches a certian price point and the libary holds enough games of interest, these gamers jump on board. Your going to see these guys buying packed in bundles. A long time xb360 gamer might jump in when Sony offers an exclusive packed in like Uncharted 3 PS3 bundle. These folks tend to buy more games then the other two groups and offer a chance to be "converted" or at least convinced to to buy more games longer term and support the system, softwarewise. However, most of these core gamers don't wait deep into a systems lifecycle to make a purchase. And the other downer here is that they already see themself as owning a "Fav" game system. We see this all of the time in the posts here, a gamer says, "I buy most of my games for system X, and really only play the exclusives on system Y". These gamers, while often ocre gamers, are only part time supporters. Traditionaly they are going to support one system more thne the other, and they already own that system before buying a second/thrid system.

Gamers from all of these groups tend to shy away from DLC. They tend to shy away from new games. And they have a traditionaly minimal impact on the industry.

That doesn't mean that Sony selling new systems is bad. It isn't. It is great. But just because Sony is now narrowly ahead of MS in this gen sales isn't a reason to jump for joy. The fact is, the Wii outsold both systems. Yes the gen is over. Nintendo has stoped supporting Wii. They are now onto their next gen of hardware.

So coming back to the forums in two or three years and proclaiming a Sony victory is just plan silly. Because it isn't a contest about who sells the most numbers. It really isn't a contest at all tbh. It is a biz.

But briskness of sales is important. Profit made off of each sale is important(what good is out selling your competetors if you lose money on each sale and they don't?). The idea of losing money upfront and then remaking it back over time really hurt Sony/MS this gen. Nintendo made profit from the word go. That was smart.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-11-end-of-the-line-for-razors-and-razorblades

So, I agree that pure number of systems sold mean VERY little. Esp at this point in the generation lifecycle. Feel free to disagree with me. But celebrating now is like playing football but the other team left and went home, while you stayed on the field and kept tallying up the goals. The game is over. Time to move on guys.

And really that illistraites the absurdness of it all. Who cares? Numbers alone don't paint the picture. Look at the top selling games on the Wii/PS3/xb360 gen. How many of them are PS3 exclusives? What system sold the most copies of Multiplatform games? That gives you a better picture.

But really, just enjoy what you enjoy, play what you like. Stop seaking validation and vindication is a sales chart.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

As much as your readings can be well... cumbersome. I think you fail to realize the only time a next gen race can truly begin isn't when 1 console jumps out but when all jump out.

See the reason behind that is because there are 3 main competitors. If it were just Nintendo and Sega your theories of when the gen ends would be true. Now last gen ended because All 3 competitors dropped their new consoles around the same time. Now Nintendo's "next-gen" is purely competing with last years tech.

Sure it is true that this is the next-gen nintendo console. I never denied that. But, being a next gen hardware and being a next-gen covered in current-gen tech are 2 different things.

See most of you don't want to except this argument for one of three reasons.

1.They want the consoles wars to be over (in which they will gladly join on the "new frontier" where they get to start a new in their opinion)

2. They are already compensating for their current fanboyism where they would like to place a crown on someones head. Usually their favorite console/company.

3.The I told you so effect. They just want to be right from earlier predictions. Making an earlier withdrawal on consoles that never finished.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

oh boy-i want this to be over-sony won, whatever-i told you so

;)

Posted 5 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

Lex, Nintendo has moved on. They aren't even making new games for the Wii.

What part of that doesn't make sense?

If the "Race" or "War" ...you know what? Nvm man. lol, if it means that much to you, carry on. Go team go, rah rah and all of that.

The only thing to really think about is that the companies involved aren't concerned with the so called race/war stuff. They are trying to make money. Sell their stuff. The rest of it comes from fanboys.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

You know what this is another reason I don't try and talk to you guys anymore. You guys all try to make anyone with a differing opinion seem one dimensional. I told you the current console "races" are still going EVEN with Wii U on the market. You guys take it as someone trying to flag a specific winner. That isn't the case at all, the fact I even have to break it down for you guys to understand is so damn annoying.

Did I say "OH BOY SONY IS GOING TO WIN! WHOOPIEDOBLAGRAHAH!"?..... No. I said that the standards for what starts a new gen are no longer black and white as they were when there were only 2 competitors. That the current model of consoles are in no need to change or be replaced.

Yes nintendo moved on. But, it's more of a catch up then a "moving on".

You say the race war doesn't matter to companies? HA! That couldn't be anymore delusional then thinking Goku could beat Superman(In which I told everyone ahead of time Superman clearly out matched the friendly Saiyan.<Nerd moment) and I hate Superman.

The consoles are always in competition with each other and are suppose to care about what their competitors are doing. It's why it reflects off into the consumers who take pride in their choices of console. So you guys that try to under mind others opinions and what they like to forecast is selfish.

P.S The race doesn't matter to me. However, I'm not so entitled that I can see where some people do like to have a champion to root for. Even if it sometimes annoying to hear the ridicules and abrasive gestures of overly entitled people. It's a right that you were afforded and that I was afforded as well.

Posted 5 months ago #
Dragon246
Member

@Lex
Bottomline is, Sony cant "win" according to them.

@OG
So only thing you want to say is, its pointless? NO.
Most of you r agruments are the same that I see from ninty and ms fans from other sites, and incidentally they all think their opinions are the most balance, which obviously isnt.
Your typical definition of late gen adopters is poor to say the least. Sony sold more than 30 million ps2s in developing countries, all of them in profit. So late gen sales matter. In some ways, one can say they matter more than early life sales where consoles are sold at a loss since every late gen console sale is profitable unlike early gen.
Also, its typical of you to think ninty has moved on, but why did it move on? Because wii is dead. Why did ms and sony didn't? Because their consoles still sell bucketloads.

"Yes the gen is over. Nintendo has stoped (sic)supporting Wii. They are now onto their next gen of hardware."
When the hell was ninty the standard to judge when the gen started or ended. I will give you a definition, think about it.
A gen starts when the first console for that releases. Although it doesn't mean previous gen has ended. A gen ends when the production of all its consoles stops. The current gen (most relevant) is one which sells most consoles.
Now, next-gen has started because of wiiu, but current gen is 7th one, which will end when the last console stops production. Wiiu gen will become current gen when their sales (including 720 and ps4) exceed 7th gen sales.
Also worth noting is sony is definitely making a dollop of money with each ps3 now. Which makes the sales now even more important.

Again " Yes the gen is over."
No it isn't. Unless your opinions are biased.
"Profit made off of each sale is important(what good is out selling your competetors if you lose money on each sale and they don't?)."
Completely right. So maybe vita leads 3ds, as its a profitable biz and 3ds isn't/wasn't?

As lex said-
"See most of you don't want to except this argument for one of three reasons.

1.They want the consoles wars to be over (in which they will gladly join on the "new frontier" where they get to start a new in their opinion)

2. They are already compensating for their current fanboyism where they would like to place a crown on someones head. Usually their favorite console/company.

3.The I told you so effect. They just want to be right from earlier predictions. Making an earlier withdrawal on consoles that never finished. "

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

why are you guys ALWAYS calling others fanboys? i don't want to attack anyone but i'd really hope this would end. it's getting old. don't we know each others opinions, preferences by now? it's always the same stuff repeating itself. we can discuss, fight, disagree, sure, but the fanboy calling as the standard killerargument is just weak. you should know by now it's not true anyway. on my top 5 vg247 goty list was a sony exclusive #1, a ms exclusive #2...og obviously just tried to explain his view, even choosing kind words, obviously really trying not to hurt anyone. what is your answer...again: let's just call him fanboy. think about your own behaviour for a sec, will ya?

i tried to post a wall of text regarding this and this discussion in general yesterday, but my wiiu touchpad copy pasted only half the text and the damn reCaptcha then totally killed it off for me...was my best post ever lol:(

Posted 5 months ago #
Da Man
Member

What's that, a few people (likely drunk) who have nothing better to do all day, a nervous student nerd from a shithole and a mentally disturbed, socially isolated person (likely an alt account) under the name 'DarkKnight' arguing about computer toys?

Very surprising.

Gz, polygem +1.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

Interesting Poly I never called anyone a fanboy. How when you see one word you make the entire post about that one word you disliked is a Poly norm.

Even Dragon didn't call anyone a fanboy. Your a weird guy I hope you know that.

DaMan..... Ever the constructive writer aye?

Posted 5 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Lex

I don't think you can talk about Nintendo from a 'console generation' point anymore.

It jst doesn't really make sense.

The 'blue ocean' strategy (although market bullshit), with the Wii and to some extent the Wii U lets them happily carve out their own niche.

You could say the Wii U is trying to get some third parties back although I don't really buy that.

It's going to be a rinse and repeat for Nintendo, great first party games, but if you want the best third party stuff get a 720 aswell.

Now, that model helps them happily avoid all the bullshit and titles like Pokemon and their handheld offerings easily keep them afloat.

As much as that model annoys people, there are going to be less and less differences with the PS4 / 720 this time round.

Both are sounding like the same machine from the specs that have been touted.

And yes, as other people have stated, these figures are ultimatly useless in determining anything.

At the moment, Sony is in the weakest position, thats a fact.

They have made a mistake putting the PS brand up against MS as a media machine IMO. Thats a battle they just can't win and thats what next gen will be about, especially with Apple looming on the horizon.

MS are laying down the best infrastructure for their next machine, and well Nintendo is doing it's thing as usual.

Posted 5 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

Also, timing is critical.

I think Nintendo has timed the jump to HD a little better than Sony & MS.

Maybe a little late for my liking but when the first pitched the Wii, HD (especially FULL 1080p HD) wasn't really as common.

My first HD set was bought just before the Wii came out.

It was a 32" 720p Samsung and cost a whopping £700!!!

Now for £350 i could get a 42" 1080p set if I shopped around.

The 360 & PS3 pushed tech that didn't really become commonplace until a good year or so into their lifecycle. MS even had to add HDMI down the line to keep up.

Then Sony had the added Bluray, another greedy mistake by them which pushed the price up to a crazy amount on launch and has added nothing to gameplay.

Now we've been stuck with a generation thats lasted too long with machines that a mobile phone can out power!

I still think Nintendo has timed things better by a long shot. Making money from the get go is always a better business strategy.

It means, even if the console completly bombs, you can still salvage something and it won't destroy the company.

Nintendo can still release another home console in 2015-2016 and really shake things up.

MS & Sony can't afford that, the 720 & PS4 will be the last consoles from them given the length of this gen cycle.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

"Bottomline is, Sony cant "win" according to them."

saying others are a group with a biased "opinion" is basically calling them fanboys. i think YOU are a strange guy if you cannot read between the lines a bit.
now add the history of nintendo related discussions going on here for a while now and you should understand what i mean.
this style stinks, is egoistic, narrowminded, not playing it fair and it's just plain stupid.

dragon said: "Maybe now some people will realise how wrong they are, and understand that *gasp* ps brand is hail and hearty."

what's this? he says he's right, others are wrong, hopefully others will finally wake up and realise, finally "understand" (because they're stupid?)...what words people chose to say stuff tells a lot about the person.
only thing this adds to a discussion is...starting the bs.

da man said:
"What's that, a few people (likely drunk) who have nothing better to do all day, a nervous student nerd from a shithole and a mentally disturbed, socially isolated person (likely an alt account) under the name 'DarkKnight' arguing about computer toys?"

ok you could call this offensive if you like, BUT at the same time, i actually think it can even help cooling down things sometimes. it's just OVERmocking. i mean are you guys really taking this personally? do you think he's writing this, all bitter and full of hate, or with a grin on his face.
this stuff isn't reallly offensive. it's funny. but i don't want to spoil the fun for da man so i stop it here.
offensive, annoying and the real pain in the ass is the sneaky, between the lines, constantly repeated, backstab trolling.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

Poly first mistake. You use a quote from one person and then talk on the subject of another persons topic. That means your not staying on topic. Second, you assuming someone is calling you a fanboy even when their statement doesn't address anyone as a fanboy just shows where your mind is and what you are looking for in conversations.

Also, when someone states a company isn't dying because clearly its not. That is factual, the part where people say certain things like "I believe company X can't compete with company Y because of strength A" That is an opinion. The PS brand is doing fine as a whole and even the numbers prove that. 72 million is nothing to sneeze at even with the late to market perspective in place.

The brand is a live and that is a fact. Everything else is speculation, so there isn't a fanboy statement behind that.

You say people are putting a between the lines approach to something? Well their not, everyone here has already in one way or another called,acknowledged, or pulled the fanboyish remarks you have made in the past. The "Nintendo Magic" qoute YOU created will never leave your permanent record around here. That's because thats a image you created for yourself no one else did that to you.

In one way or another everyone doesn't understand specific concepts. That doesn't make them stupid in the slightest. After becoming a network administrator I still can't understand why people pay MS for online as if it makes the ISP better and it doesn't. But, I can comprehend the statements people make. However, in no way do i have an understanding or justification behind it.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

Also, Monkey there isn't a single phone powerful enough to output anything the 360/ps3 has on the market. Cell phones are still to weak to play anything past 2 gens ago games. How many cell phones/tablets you know thats outputing a game like AC3 or Binary Domain? 0 and if you do have one doing that they are streaming it which even the current consoles could do.

This won't be the end of Sony or MS console or next gen. If anything Sony or MS will evolve the console model beyond the current standard. Probably making a monitor/console mixture that can stream or play disc based games to the T.v and you can buy a display from default 32in 42in or 52in.

And, if nintendo releases another console 2-3 years from now I would laugh at anyone who would buy that. They could have just held off the Wii U instead and released Smash bros etc on the device as it would also have a better OS processor and games. Anyone who would Buy a Wii U then buy another console 2-3 years later would be a damn fool

Posted 5 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Lex

The Nintendo releasing a new console statement wasn't a reality. It's a possibility if the Wii U fails like everyone is doomsaying once TEH AWESUM new next gen consoles come out.

What i'm saying is, selling at profit enables you to rapidly change direction without some of the crazy losses other companies would face.

Sony & MS HAVE to make their machines last a crazy long time to turn profit.

Wether thats good or bad depends on your opinion.

There are obviously soom positives, I personally think this gen has gone on far too long. This is not an opinion that is exclusive to me I might add.

What I expect to happen (again specualtion), is Nintendo will queue up Smash Brothers, Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing etc... Then offer a price cut on the release of the 720 / PS4.

Also, offering a series of games compatible with a second tablet Pad in order to disrupt Sony & MS's announcements.

I can't imagine Sony or MS offering much more than Gears, Uncharted etc...

What im saying is the Xbox and Playstation are almost becoming the same brand, especially this coming generation with the media focus.

It depends what your after really.

I for one will be purchasing a 720, then maybe a couple of years down the line picking up a PS4 for some exclusives.

Basically the same I did this gen.

As for the phone comment, By the time the PS4 & 720 are out, tablets and phones will be VERY close if not surpass the 360 / PS3.

We are almost at that stage now with Tegra 4.

The overall theme i'm trying to get over here is that the market has changed rapidly from the days of the PS2 and I feel Sony has not made the relevant changes in it's business model to survive another gen.

Unless they rapidly turn certain aspects around I feel they are taking on too much trying to battle MS, Google, Apple etc... for control over your living room media.

MS original goal was the media box, they have a strong plan in place.

Sony's main goal was using consoles to 'trojan horse' there new media into your home; DVD, Bluray etc... I just don't feel the have made the digital switch over aswell, hence shitting themselves and purchasing Gaikai, starting broadband streaming services etc...

Nintendo is somewhere in Limbo, and I hope they continue to just be games focussed for the near future.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

@lex: ah well the nintendo magic...(a term used by many professional reviewers btw, it's not my creation). i just used it - and i think it's totally ok to use it - to describe that there's some special vibe to some nintendo games- it's not offensive in any way nor fanboyish. if you are feeling butthurt or offended by someone combining the word nintendo and magic then THAT "just shows where your mind is and what you are looking for in conversations".
i used that term ONCE. a year ago? one and a half? from that day on i am a ndf guy and a nintendo fanboy here. no matter how many times i might praise a sony game, how many times i say that i love the 360 pad etc. i played on the 360 the most this gen BY FAR. i played most of the ps3 exclusives too. it just doesn't matter anyway. you say this quote will mark me as a nintendo fanboy forever. so what's that telling you about yourself, about your attitude, about how you are discussing things? would you really call yourself open minded? to me this has a different sound.

ps...when or where have i ever said sony is dying?
i think they are in the least comfortable position to compete atm.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

@pat:

can i change my user name to "NintendoMagicMike" please?

cannot wait to use that and then praise the shit out of the steambox, the next jak n daxter game, destiny and halo 5...

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Magic-Winning-Videogame-Wars/dp/1934287229

LOL.....look at the subtitle :)

now...please don't feel personally offended anyone and don't forget to add what i just did to my record will ya...it's hard work and i want the credit for it.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

So im butthurt behind that? English isn't your primary language is it? You know those reviewers you speak of? Typically they are what?Nintendo specialist. Most reviewers are considered specialist of the devices they review for. And a nintendo specialist uses those terminologies.

Now, when the average person reads a reviewer they see coined phrases like that that further their appeal towards the specific device. Now, the general notion of a fanboy is those that overly praise a specific company ignoring its flaws and calls out other companies mistakes without looking at their positives. That can generally be conceived as fanboyism.

Now in your case the only time you talk about other systems its typically in response to a self proceived negative that calls you to be negative towards other things. Remember the "I sold my vita post" two months in to owning it? I asked simple questions like "why buy a system if you aren't willing to wait it out?" Later you started making it seem like I was a Sony praiser and couldn't handle the fact you sold it. You probably still don't understand where my confusion of your decision-making was on that matter thinking my feelings are hurt becausw you wasted money.

Thats things that bring about the view of you being a fanboy. Regardless of how much you like to say where you played at or what you own. It comes off as a weak cover towards some form of insecurity you have.

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

Why you even know that book exists is actually frightening

Posted 5 months ago #
Dragon246
Member

@Lex
You are talking to people so insecure that they insert ninty even in an sony article.
And he prophesies about "fanboyism" and himself behaves like this-
"polygem
09/12/12, 6:13 pm

clupula and dragon. it is hard to stay polite when you guys are around. i give it up. every time i read your comments i get hellraiser images in my head. don’t know why but it’s a true story…maybe it’s because your brains must be full of rusty nails as well. take a deep breath and then look in the mirror. or get yourself a social worker you can talk to or whatever. i wish you’d leave this page. it was better here without you."

You are wasting your time lex. I stopped responding to him because he is prone to insulting others. Thats why he is one of the handful of guys who like dm, because dm does his bidding in comments. Even MG and OG arent that supportive of the biggest troll around here.
And he is a "social therapist" whatever. Right....

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

@lex: "Why you even know that book exists is actually frightening"

totally frightening...google is scary indeed.

you know what really is scary? you and dragon quoting all the old stuff, dragon prolly even bookmarking it to "prove" things later. that's scary.

@dragon:
"You are talking to people so insecure that they insert ninty even in an sony article."

ha, that coming from you really is classic stuff...you are a real professional troll and to me you are BY FAR the biggest troll around here...maybe you even deserve some credit for it. it's sneaky but kind of clever.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

@dragon:

XBL: MiqMoq
PSN: OhMikeOdd
Nintendo ID: MiqMoq

wanna be my "friend"?........i mean on your PLAYSTATION?

Posted 5 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

No qouting old things mean you have a good memory. Nothing scary about that at all, and last minute google search to find a book on amazon thats 3 years old? Thats pretty odd to suggest that would come to the top of a google search. Pretty sure you ordered a copy of that book huh?

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

why don't you just use google to find out? it's right there...top 3 position.

you must write the words nintendo and magic though...maybe this will turn you into a nintendo fanboy magically, so be carefull.

quoting from old threads is first of all this: putting things out of context (what have others said before?) and second: not playing it fair...well it shows insecurity. it really does.

Posted 5 months ago #
polygem
Member

while we're quoting frenzy let me quote myself:

"my red 3ds xl arrived. i am not really feeling it though. imho the screens do not look as crisp as on the original 3ds. i knew that would be the case because it has the same res, but the lack in crispness makes certain games just not look that good (pilotwings for example, mario kart too i think...well most games actually). the ds games look awesome on it though. the big screens are cool but the build quality really isn´t that great. it feels cheap and the metallic color finish is just plain ugly...compared to my old white 3ds the xl really looks plastic- cheap."

or this:

"i am enjoying the hell out of some psn store games right now. i am thinking about upgrading to ps+. it seems to be a good deal but there´s one thing i don´t know. would be great if someone could help.

example: there was sly 1 for free as a ps+ deal in march. would i still be able to download this game for free if i join the club now? or can i, if i join ps+ in may only download the may offers and then june, july and so on?
do the offers expire?

couldn´t find anything on the net. wasn´t that keen on looking it up though..."

i could go on with this stuff forever...

+: i never insulted anyone before i got insulted. i only shot back, never first.

Posted 5 months ago #
monkeygourmet
Member

@Dragon et all

Starting a thread that is basically comparing console numbers is of course inviting people to weigh in with their own opinions, you'd be naive to think otherwise.

Poly is far from a troll, his opinions are well rounded unlike alot of other people on here.

The 'Nintendo Magic' thing is getting very old now.

It was never a new term and was never exclusive to Official Nintendo publications.

IMO it started with the Nintendo Seal of Quality on the NES. Obvioulsy that was marketing but the term Nintendo Magic or Nintendo Difference isn't a new one.

The fact that Nintendo gameplay is held in high regard by so many developers should prove this to you.

Nintendo franchises are often copied or paid tribute to by many dev houses should tell you that generally the playability of their in-house titles are something special.

You think something like Uncharted will go down in history for gameplay?

Strip away the graphics and you have a pretty bog standerd cover shooter.

Strip away the graphics on Mario Galaxy and it'd still play like a dream.

And thats kindof what matters.

Unless you thought gaming started with the PS1... And if thats the case, there's not much point in disscussing this anymore.

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