@SlayerGT: good for you...i really tried to like his show too, but he's just overacting it waaay too much for my taste. i'm just not buying it.
Ps3 surpasses 360 in shipped units(105 posts)
Well for the record Poly I have stated I like the Wii U very much and that its not a gimmick. Answer me this though Poly would you rather play a call of duty game on the wii or PS3/360? wheres the Wii version of darksiders,Batman AA,Grand Theft Auto,Uncharted,and Gran Turismo or NFS Poly?
Please list these games and tell me which you rather play and prefer and why? One last question do you own a HDTV?
@Poly I can understand appreciate that. I feel like I know him pretty well. His reviews are actually some of the only ones I read, for the simple fact that, because I know him, I trust his opinion. That's one of the reasons I enjoy listening to Dave speak on tastes in games. You can hear his passion in his voice rather than text in an article.
@tea...i have blops 2 for the wiiu and i had it on the 360 before, also own darksiders and batman for the wiiu. i prefer playing on the wiiu hands down. first, i like nintendos take on online. miiverse is fantastic. in my job i have to talk a lot. i am not the chatty guy in online gaming anymore. i also like to draw and looking at drawings of others, in miiverse, the hints and tips, the funny, cheesy and emberassing stuff. it's great. another big plus: cod zombis, darksiders, batman, fully playable in bed...
Edit: oops you meant the wii. i'd prefer to play those games on the ps360.
i have a full hd tv and i personally jumped into hd right at the start, it's my third tv/hd monitor since hd came up.
i like tech but in my games, what counts for me the most, is fun. not much else. maybe pricing ;)
@Slayer: i don't hate him, i have to giggle as well sometimes and i respect his opinion. but sometimes i just cannot help to roll eyes ;)
No Poly I said the Wii not the Wii U LMAO....I knew you were going to do that proving my point that you either purposely tried to go around the Wii being a powerless piece of crap gamecube 2 with no top notch quality games or you yourself admit that the Wii U should have been the console released by Nintendo back in 2006
I wanted to see if you were foolish to believe that shit of duty port "Reflex" on the wii was even in the same league as COD4 (PS3/360) http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/12/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-reflex-edition-review.
This is why I asked you where are the wii versions of games like Darksiders and Batman AA. Both great games which sold well but why not produced for the Wii....the so called most selling next gen console...LMAO
This shit would have never happened in the PS2 era. Gamecube RE4 was suppose to be exclusive but capcom said fuck that the PS2 is where the money is cause the install base is bigger. They made a PS2 port and sold 10x the amount it did on Gamecube.....why didn't THQ do the same thing for darksiders on Wii Poly?.....since they are the leading next gen console with highest install base...LMAO
You know why Poly....the answer is in your own statement above, because you had to buy a Wii U to enjoy those quality of level of games and the original Wii was nothing next gen. Hence the PS3 is #1 best selling current gen console of HD era gaming.
Trophy Earned - Trick Hat Baby! :)
i edited my post...before you posted yours...proves me that you didn't even fully read it. i think this shows that you are judging things a bit too early.
i think i cannot follow your logic here anyway. not that it is an intellectual problem, your conclusion is just not making sense. it proves nothing, yet you pretend it does, at the same time you are giving yourself a trophy for this...
speaks volumes about your personality really. tells me discussing stuff with you wont make much sense to begin with...but well:
how are you defining next gen? batman? cod? if that's the case you might have a point. i don't think it's that easy though. how do you define a good game? batman cod but not sonic colours, muramasa, no more heroes?
"Wii being a powerless piece of crap gamecube 2 with no top notch quality games or you yourself admit that the Wii U should have been the console released by Nintendo back in 2006"
but this is just your fantasy. there are lots of quality games on the wii. there have been a lot of awesome games on much less powerfull consoles than the wii. don't know when you started playing games but it certainly sounds as if it's not too long ago. you aren't saying good games only have been released this hd gen, before that everything was shit? is that your point? really?
i never admited anywhere that i think the wiiu should have been released in 2006, it's just your fantasy again and i really think it shouldn't have...i might've thought like that in 2006, but saying this now, 2013 when it became obvious that the wii did pretty well indeed and with nintendo now cleverly launching their hd console when there are hd tellies in most households, is just pretty ignorant.
maybe you shouldn't laugh your poor ass off that often and think stuff through a little instead...
i never ever said the wii was the *leading next gen console with the highest install base* what is this shit? twister?
[360 outsells PS3 week in, week out]
"Haha, Sony's dead, PS3 is a flop, 360 rules, Wii doesn't count = 360 victory by a mile this gen" etc etc etc.....
[PS3 passes 360s numbers despite being on sale for less time, always being more expensive and for the first four years being slated by half the tech and gaming community]
"So what? No point in arguing about second or third place, Wii rules this gen, numbers don't matter anyway" etc etc etc.....
Whether this is factually accurate or completely made up "analytical" baloney...
...who gives a flying fuck, honestly?
Just play the games you enjoy. Nobody in the adult world gives a crap about what console you own or whose winning. It means absolutely nothing.
"Just play the games you enjoy. Nobody in the adult world gives a crap about what console you own or whose winning. It means absolutely nothing"
to me it definitley doesnt mean shit whos ''winning'' mike...that's exactly what i said here.
I don't care which has sold most. But I do get annoyed at the hypocrisy of the countless gamers who insisted it mattered when one sold more than the other, and now suddenly demand it is irrelevant when the two have switched places.
And no, I'm not speaking about anyone specific here.
then shut your mouth O'connor no one asked you for your "2 cents"
You edited nothing Poly you knew exactly what I meant and like i said you didn't have an answer jumped to the Wii U as expected. Also for what its worth I knew you would play the edit card.
However you want to look at facts are facts the original wii can't even compare to the PS3 or 360 when it comes being a next gen console. Be lucky Nintendo released the Wii U in a short amount of time after releasing the wii. They're not known for doing that but when you are desperate to not alienate 75% of 3rd party devs from abandoning your console you'll rush to correct that mistake I see.
To all you PlayStation doomsayers out there....go suck it! The PlayStation brand will always be #1 when it comes to gaming.
sg1974: "I don't care which has sold most. But I do get annoyed at the hypocrisy of the countless gamers who insisted it mattered when one sold more than the other, and now suddenly demand it is irrelevant when the two have switched places".
Amen brother, go back and read all the shit about how long it would take if the PS3 sold x amount in a month compared to the 360. Look at the names of the commenters who have been bashing the PS3 and SONY specifically day in and day out and never got called a fanboy or a child for bashing a company that they had no interest in the first place.
But once someone tries to correct them that person is a fanboy, a troll, a tyrant of the site. I love it :) You're right SG1974 and even though you won't say their names we all know who they are ;) they're trying to act like it doesn't hurt their inner fanboyism. Some of them will toss and turn tonight and the thought of them doing it puts a smile on my face :D
I just can't wait until I hear Trentton say at E3 that the PlayStation consoles are the best selling consoles for the past last 3 generations. Then Ken kutaragi pops out and says heres "PlayStation 4"!
@sg, Agreed, it is entirely irrelevant.
It doesn't matter if it's the best selling, or the worst. It doesn't matter if it sold 1 million, or 100 million. If you enjoyed the games on it, that's all that matters.
Like Mario games? Kudos to you.
Immersed in Uncharted? That's awesome.
Enjoy playing Halo? Go for it.
When you own them all you get the best of all worlds, but even if you don't, the machine you have is only as good as its games, and every format has games worth owning.
I feel like you are misrepresenting my point slightly. Sales numbers don't matter, but it is perfectly reasonable to hold and express views in places like this about the hypocrisy of the armies of gamers who danced dances of joy when one console outsold another but then jump on their high, sanctimonious horses when the places reversed - and demand the comparisons stop.
Three years ago I said on this site that the PS3 would not only beat the 360 but also catch the Wii. Oh the abuse I got. Distant third for Sony's flop I was assured. And yet the PS3 has passed the 360 (if you take account of retail-replaced RRoDs it probably happened nearly a year ago), probably now outsells the Wii 4:1 at worst and almost certainly has another five years on sale.
No, it doesn't matter to my enjoyment of gaming. But it does matter to my view of the opinions and behaviours of my fellow gamers. And we are all entitled to views on that as much as whether Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 is the better game.
@sg1973, Personally I don't understand why anyone cares even remotely about the numbers, unless it's somehow negatively impacting the experience on the console. But that's just me.
@Sg thats one of the main reasons i stop talking to gamers about this stuff. Same thing is happening right now when it comes to 3DS sales to Vita sells. I say the Vita will be ok that internet says its dead after LESS than a solid year on the market world wide. Gamers don't seem to realize we are the one killing our hobbies with bullshit like that.
When people go to research the consoles out here the doom and gloom that follows one system is so abundant people just run with it. If i was a casual gamer looking to pick between devices and taking the initial communities opinions I wouldn't even touch a Sony device. Terrible how much the community has shunned Sony as a whole but claim your a fanboy just because you Point out that theirs a flaw in the views.
Don't know about anyone else but when I was a kid I can't remember a time where myself and someone else argued or even bothered to talk about which system was better. I do remember magazines trying to push Mario v Sonic but even then I didn't think much about it or my friends, we just played SNES, genesis, Amiga , gameboy etc. it's only since the Internet have I saw people talk about system preferences or people high bent on creating conversations about it as much as possible.
Back on topic, congrats to Sony I guess, I finally got Starhawk and whilst the sp is boring the online can be great fun at times, not as good as the brilliance of Warhawk though imo
It's also happening with Blackberry's new OS. Tech journalists and commentators and others have been telling us month after month that BB10 is an utterly rubbish iOS rip-off. When I commented on Giz UK that people should wait until, you know, they actually saw it before assuring everybody it was a crap copycat I was attacked as a "Blackberry fanboi" (WTF?) or was probably "in the pay of RIM to spam comments sections with positive statements".
But now that we've actually had a chance to SEE the thing working those same "experts" and "opinion-formers" and armchair experts are desperately trying to be the first ones to say how good it looks and how some features are original and maybe even revolutionary (like the keyboard). But it's probably too late; conventional "wisdom" is now that BB10 is shit.
"You edited nothing Poly you knew exactly what I meant and like i said you didn't have an answer jumped to the Wii U as expected. Also for what its worth I knew you would play the edit card."
@tea: i edited one sentence. the one saying that i realised you were talking about the wii just after i posted my comment.
it doesn't change anything though anyway.
but sure i did understand what you were trying to say...it just didn't proof anything nor does it make much sense.
also, i HAD an answer to your stuff...why don't you read it? maybe because you just want to be right anyway no matter what, because this isn't really a discussion, because it's more about you praising yourself for your "ingenius" conclusions? it sounds like that.
you constanyly ignore my arguments. i try answering yours but you are not answering my questions, please respond if you want to talk. what kind of an discussion is this?
you " know i'd play the edit card".
what edit card...i explained you everything, it's not a trick nor a sony. if you know everything already why not just buying a tent. you could play fortuneteller telling everyone that sony will lead a tech revolution of world dominance soon and that everyone who ever bought a wii will die on an unspecified last gen virus. maybe some people will buy into that.
but before you do that, why don't you answer my questions first, like what is next gen for you. batman aa is but no more heroes 2 isn't?
is that so?
if so we really do not need to argue anymore. your stuff makes sense.......in your reality.
when did you start playing games?
is only resident evil 5 a real resident evil game to you because it is hd?
is next gen only defined by how crisp a game looks and not because it has new game experiences to offer?
if there's one trap you trapped me in, then this "wii is nextgen stuff". i never said that to begin with, because i couldn't care less about stamping stuff with catchphrases...but while we're at it why not discussing it now. it's an interesting question.
"Like Mario games? Kudos to you.
Immersed in Uncharted? That's awesome.
Enjoy playing Halo? Go for it."
that's exactly me. i love mario, i am a haloholic, i played all the uncharted games, even the vita one and i am a fan of sly and the gang, jak and daxter and the infamous sir dan fortesque.
i love games. that's my whole point in this thread;) that's why i am coming to this page to begin with.
@tea...if you're talking about me...i was sleeping like a baby tonight.
"Don't know about anyone else but when I was a kid I can't remember a time where myself and someone else argued or even bothered to talk about which system was better. I do remember magazines trying to push Mario v Sonic but even then I didn't think much about it or my friends, we just played SNES, genesis, Amiga , gameboy etc. it's only since the Internet have I saw people talk about system preferences or people high bent on creating conversations about it as much as possible."
i totally sign this.
I see the xbots (DaMan and Gadzooks) are still so butt-hurt that they cant even say a simple congrats. Guess they are xbots for a reason.
And sales matter. Its shows how many people will buy the console next-gen. PS has a bigger userbase than xbox, this proves it. I bet DaMan is crying in his den somewhere performing some voodoo and wishing ps3 to die. Such a pathetic person.
Also, doesn't this news deserve a headline?
@DarkKnight, it's barely news as it is. Some random guy said that some document stated it had shipped more units.
That and the fact that nobody honestly gives a flying fuck which has shipped / sold / crapped out more units. VG247 doesn't need any more frivilous flame-baiting stories like this.
Insulting people while trying to make your point doesn't really help you much.
Why are you so desperate to silence all and any debate of this subject? None of us are single-issue human beings; we all can enjoy our games and have views about our fellow gamers, the gaming industry et cetera - in addition to myriad other subjects. What is your issue with this particular gaming- and gamer-related debate?
Personally - and given the history of gaming and gaming journalism in the last five years - I think this is a significant event and a notable story. For a start, most gaming commentators and experts (including many self-appointed ones) have been proved roundly wrong. Not that many want to admit it or be reminded of it.
Now after expressing these views I'll go back to enjoying Battlefield 3. Because this gamer is capable of doing both. ;o)
Maybe Cort, because it isn't a debatable subject. Either it did or it didn't. And who cares one way or another? All something like this does is fuel the flames, so Mike is spot on. But whatever.
It definitely is bigger news than a temporary stock improvement of a particular company which according to japanese analysts will likely be reverted soon if their sales flag even a little.
Maybe now some people will realise how wrong they are, and understand that *gasp* ps brand is hail and hearty.
@Cort, I'm not interested in silencing any debate.
I never believed in the doom and gloom of the PlayStation, but neither do I care if its shipped an insignificant number more units than the "competition"... especially considering that the Wii outsold them both years ago.
I think sales figures are the bottom barrel of game journalism. It's lazy and typically sensationalist, as figured are often scewed by the manipulative user of different terms, regions, and other factors. The original source for this particular story doesn't even have cited evidence to back up these figures. It's just some analyst's assumption.
As poly correctly stated, this gen is won and the next one started when Nintendo said so.
So what is there to celebrate here? Near bankruptcy and the loss of 50% of the games market share for Sony.
Sooo Nintendo started next gen? With modern tech? Remote interface controller? Entertainment services? Sounds more like Nintendo just joined the race as opposed to starting a new race.
Then again it is difficult for some people to understand that.
@lexplore They proved that nobody cares about specs, and that there is more to a console generation than the number of pixels that it can push.
People dont remember the Dreamcast fondly because it trampled on the PS2 specs wise. They remember it fondly because it had an absolute metric tonne of top quality and original exclusives titles. But still, it didnt sell. Better specs never allowed the GameCube or original Xbox to gain a sizeable industry lead, and the PS2 ruled that entire generation despite technically being the weakest console on the market for most of the run. Likewise, the DS over the PSP, the 3DS over the Vita, and Apple over cheaper and more powerful tablets and phones on the market.
The Wii was part of this gen. The 3DS, Vita and Wii U are part the next gen. Console generations are and always have been based on hardware cycles, not horse power.
Im not talking about horse power though. I'm talking solely about offerings, and the wii u isn't offering anthing different then this current gen. At best it offers a sort of complete package of what ps3/vita offers. The only thing it offers specwise thats different is 2gbs of ram and its not doing it much justice since its just 1gb for gaming and 1gb os.
Don't get me wrong I will get a wii u. but in no way will I ever call it next gen thats just not realistic
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