@Dragon246:
WHAT FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?!
Miyamoto not really involved in Mario?
CliffyB not really involved in Gears of War?
Hideo Kojima not really involved in MGS?
Cage not really involved at Quantic Dream?
Do you even know what a director does?
You're so damn clueless it fucking hurts.
@Silkvg247: Sorry you got a hard time of it. Unfortunately, not only the gaming world but the world at large has a deeply ingrained sexism. It's something we'll have to peel off over generations. Add to that the general cuntishness of the internet "No repercussions, no accountability" thing and you get the full brunt of the underlying sexism.
Basically, the only thing I would like you to take away is that we're not all like that. /hugs
Because girls like hugs amirite
You massive sexist pig.
I believe girls also like pony's... Here you go Silk.
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/415429-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic
@Dragon246 I think you have problems distinguishing between production staff and creatives.
I think the fact that Jade Raymond is a relatively attractive woman has everything to do with some people wanting to defend her (or Ubisofts use of her) before they actually look at the facts.
*rolls eyes*
Really? Have anyone here has developed anything here? Was Kojima involved with every mgs, NO. Same with miyamoto and CllifyB (Judgement hasnt even been released).
Ever seen the movie industry, where influential and popular producers promote their movies? I guess thats why they call games industry novice, with useless argument made about who can publicize the game and who cant.
@Young
Do you know who developed mgs revengence, or portable ops.
Who develops nsmb and many countless mario spinoffs.
Who develops Gow-Judgement
It pains to see you so much useless pain.
The thing with the games industry, is that there are no real agreed upon, exact definitions when it comes to job roles.
For example, one dev might have a team of 3-4 producers working on separate parts if the game, all reporting to a lead producer, who in turn reports to the studio lead.
In this case, the role of producer has about as much responsibility as any other role, in that the studio lead has more control over the project.
Production staff in this case just function as people who are responsible for making sure that schedules are met, and features are completed.
In another example, you might get an external producer, who does little to nothing in terms of the development of the game, other than swan into the studio once every 3 months and ask why the game isn't finished yet.
When you're talking about AAA blockbusters these days, the people with the most say in the game are usually at boardroom level, anyway.
And much of what they say is usually down to meeting release date windows and ticking boxes, anyway.
Just out of curiosity, are people suggesting Miss Redmond had nothing to do with Ubisoft or games?
That she was in fact some paid imposter? I really can't see what the big issue was? Aside from her being pretty & talking like she had a idea of the game she was promoting (the nerve!)
@Dragon Kojima created EVERY CANON MGS. That means MG, MG2, MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, MGSPW, and MGS: Ground Zeros which is in development. A Director's vision is what makes an initial output, be it movie, documentary, series, games, etc. Every game, movie, etc is made of ideas packed together under one man's creative vision, that's what Cage, Kojima, and many others are. Even when they don't write the story, design the gameplay or whatever, their creative vision shapes that output.
So saying what you have said in your original comment is like saying the brain inside your head has very little thing to do with your actions and conduct. The hand moves, the tongue and vocal cords create the voice that is coming out of your mouth, but they are all controlled by your brain in the very center of your nervous system.
^Shhhhhhh...., please dont put brain examples for our conducts, all the time i blame the hand when i "accidentaly" touch a very pretty lady ;)
@Gwyn
You are taking my statement out of context. What I meant was, they promote their games, just like others. But people get targeted for unfair reasons.
Producer is an important role. Granted, he/she has less input than a director, but does that mean that he/she cant promote a game? Thats what some people implied here.
Also, kojima didnt "create" every canonical mgs. MGS Portable Ops is a canonical entry, and a pretty important one indeed. The base building and recruiting features (which I so much love) started on port ops. They are now a major feature in pw and upcoming gz. Port ops was also mentioned in mgs-pw, so its definitely a canonical entry.
@Manu
Your hand is a pretty bad one indeed :P
@Dragon246 I'm pretty sure you realize that you're way out on a limb at this point.
G1GAHURTZ is spot on though, producer is one of the vaguest possible titles in the entertainment industry, second maybe only to executive producer. What those guys do or don't do varies wildly.
A lot of the time you're simply talking about people who fund a project, and leave the actual process to directors and artists. Maybe you wrote the book the movie is based on.
Maybe you babysat some studio heads cat one time. Congrats, you're now Executive Producer on Project X.
I think the music industry is the only place where it actually comes with some specific, significant influence over the work itself.
Unpronunceable, take your toy zealosy, as well as your failed sarcasm detector and lunacy and stick them up your hairless tacky arse.
Please do continue to be a two faced moron while selectively attacking anyone who makes your sensitive inane mind agonize in internet rage.
Face the facts, hardcore devotee. Steam and PC community is retarded :(
Oi, and did the idiot just say 'o-p-i-n-i-o-n-a-t-e-d'? That's a good one.
@DSB
If what you are saying is true, then shouldnt each game and movie have 10-15 executive producers? Also why did Kojima bother to reveal Avi Arad as the producer for mgs film, if he didnt had a say in the direction?
Its wrong on your part to say produders dont do anyhing. Also which rule states that producers cant publisise their games? Only "gamers" have this problem.
So much for a mature medium.
@Da Man, take a deep breathe, and stop making an ass of yourself every time you type in "UNPRONUNCEABLE" when you address me, after so many times I thought you'd eventually learn how to spell that properly, but here we go, after after all this time.. Oh the irony...
http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=6633&page=2
http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/25/iphone-5-over-5-million-sold-and-counting/
http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/28/valve-interview-i-just-told-gabe-he-was-full-of-shit/
...
And also what you said goes both ways. And I have no rage in me, certainly nothing you'd say enrages me, if I was to be enraged or take offense by your nonsense I'd have stopped commenting on this site a long time ago.
Sarcasm detector, eh? You always attack PC gamers on every chance you get, so it's quite easy for any sarcasm detector to get jammed by your stupid remarks all the time.
Two faced moron? Look who's calling people two faced morons, lol indeed.
What you're attempting to do on a daily basis, is quite amusing for me, I enjoy when your skin crawls, when you ooze with anger and try to channel that anger into words that are as nonsensical and irrelevant as you yourself are. It's like a free circus with a lousy clown, all for my entertainment, However I wont discourage you to stop, please do continue. Every time you resort to name calling is quite hilarious, D-Sub, Erzapatient, Unpronunceable, etc, I don't know what those gents think, but gives the impression that the internet is the only safe place for you to bully everyone else, and I'm happy for you to have that sense of security.
I don't have to take a deep breathe, Unpronunceable (I'm not the one raging over people pointing out obvious which my deluded 12 year old mind can't handle).
As for your troubles, yes to both questions. Continously failing to comprehend anything beyond Hideo Kojima humor as well as regularly practicing two-faced behaviour by completely ignoring blatant console trolling (esp Xbox) and fighting the good fight with me.
Unfortunately, you obvously can't leave this website. even though I regularly ruin your sanctuary. Since the internet is obv the only window where you can flame government, Xbox, MS and anything you get angry at due to lack of life. So, uh yeah, what was that about 'going both ways' and getting an impression about the only safe place? The irony.. only it goes one way..
Please do follow your own advice.
Play The Witcher, no longer unpronounceable.
I had no idea that was your game Silk, sorry you had to put up with that kind of treatment, I remember coming across that when I was browsing greenlight, the comments were appalling, with some flat out accusing you of lying.
I think you're right, and who do they think makes games targeted at children educational or otherwise.
@Da An, I only flamed my own government, which I do on regular basis and when there's a rally, I'm actually out there. And for the rest of your comment, typical as usual. I never trolled consoles (esp xbox) I was asked about why do I have such strong opinion about it and I answered, if it wasn't to your satisfaction, big deal, no one cares.
You may relish in the thought that you exposed me, being a no lifer to the whole world, hehe, but it only exists as you delicately put in your deluded 12 year old mind, and one day when your brain starts to grow up to keep up with the rest of your body parts it will all be OK, eventually, I hope...
@freedoms_stain What has the Witcher got to do with anything?
Is this thread a joke? Why are you demeaning 12 year old boys the world over as being inferior? Besides, being a 12 year old boy beats being chained to the kitchen.
Indeed, 'typical as usual'. I was saying you ignore the console trolling while as soon as the topic is anything PC related you react like a depressing two-face, which you are..
I know you flame your government here. Don't see how that makes you look less of a cornered idiot? Please post some more 12 year old ramblings about the 'shitty government' not allowing you to live off playing computer games or write some page long rant about them banning your favourite toy.
I don't know if you're trying to be ironic with the second paragraph, or just actually an idiot, but then there's the possibility you fail at Engrish reading comprehension (as I said before).
If this was a thread about Xbl or Psn, and the OP was talking about people being retards, and then if I posted the exact same comment, your unpronunceable mind would instead be pissing itself in unpronunceable euphoria.
So, yeah, keep on fighting dude.
Keep digging, Dragon246, keep digging.
I love how you start off completely clueless and instead of just admitting that you've no idea what you're talking about, you act like we're the stupid ones here.
Admit that you were wrong. Save you further embarrassment.
@Da Man, no, I wouldn't because my world isn't as small as yours. There are douche-bags in every community, for example I wont judge the whole console community based on the amount of idiocy in you. You have a nice day now.
Too late for that, buddy.
Gwsomething, you really are the epitome of a nerd in denial. At least do try and make some sensical flamings.
If my world would be 'small' and I was an 'idiot' I would be flaming people for dissing japanese computer games because those are as far as my cinema experience goes, and then I would go to a forum and make a thread how I can't at the age of 30 play toys for money.
Good one.
As for 'judging' communities. Recall what I told you about sarcasm detector? Yeah.. doesn't take away that you wouldn't even notice what I said if it wasn't aimed at your only source of joy.
Even sarcasm requires some sort of humor. You don't have that, you're simply not funny.
@Da D'oh Too late for you maybe, and gaming is not my only source of joy as hard as it is for you to rap your head around it. I do play games a lot though in my free time. My sarcasm detector works fine sometimes I just wonder if yours is working though, like at all.
The point was to take the piss out of people like you, which succeeded with flying colors, genius.
When you see same people posting for months on how 'different' and generally superior PC community is to those console ones, you make fun of idiots by using factual evidence.
Gwsoemthing, you basically post the same 'No you' message, typed differently. Too late for me to backpedal? Engrish fail perhaps. No it doesn't function, otherwise you wouldn't react in the most wrong way possible..
And I was talking about PC being your fav toy.
What the fuck happened to my thread ;p
You are all worse than women, I swear.
Drama Queen.
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