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1. DrDamn
   Member

   @Polygem
   Everyone has a tablet already though - there needs to be some really clear and compelling reasons to get people interested in another one. Particularly one which they might see as fairly limited in comparison to other tablets. It's tied to the WiiU and your house for a start, and is effectively a dumb terminal/input device.

   Clear and concise message is going to be a big issue for the success of the WiiU. I can see a lot of people thinking it's an add on for the Wii and then baulking when they see the price is well over what they paid for that originally.

   Posted 8 months ago #

2. Phoenixblight
   Member

   ^^

   This.

   I already own a tablet and it offers much more to what the WiiU is offering especially since I paid 150 for an Asus tablet. Of courser I can't play WiiU games on it but I didn't get it for that to begin with.

   Wii had sold 90 million plus and yet even their top selling game only sold 20% of that number. Why do you think that is? Because the system sold off a gimmick people bought it and then it collected dust.

   Posted 8 months ago #

3. ManuOtaku
   Member

   "Wii had sold 90 million plus and yet even their top selling game only sold 20% of that number. Why do you think that is? Because the system sold off a gimmick people bought it and then it collected dust"

   By that same Reasoning, we will need it to apply to the other consoles as well, because they arent basecally any games that surpass the 20% neither on the other two consoles , so in the end all consoles are gimmick and collecting dust,right.

   And by the way mario kart wii surpass the 30 million mark, dont have the exact number but thats +30% of its installed base

   Posted 8 months ago #

4. DrDamn
   Member

   @PB
   Couldn't you say the same about the PS3 and 360? Top selling games there are of the order 10m-15m. 20-25% of installed user base. For the Wii there are games selling to 30%+ of the installed user base (ignoring pack-ins like Sports and Play).

   Posted 8 months ago #

5. Phoenixblight
   Member

   "By that same Reasoning, we will need it to apply to the other consoles as well, because they arent basecally any games that surpass the 20% neither on the other two consoles , so in the end all consoles are gimmick and collecting dust,right."

   THe other consoles have more games to choose from than the wii lot more and a lot more games that sell over 2 million then the Wii does. FOr the 3rd party on the Wii they usually sell only few hundred thousand excluding games like Dance Central and the like. You would think with Wii being for the first party games that their titles would be selling more than that but they don't so what the hell are wii players playing? If its anything like my friends with family own, they play nothing unless there is a family game night. 90 million + and only wii sport plus and Mario sells 20+ million on the system.

   Posted 8 months ago #

6. ManuOtaku
   Member

   "You would think with Wii being for the first party games that their titles would be selling more than that but they don't so what the hell are wii players playing if its anything like my friends with family own it, they play nothing unless there is a family game night"

   So we agree is not collecting dust and neither is gimmick, because families are playing it , right.

   As for the games i will list the numbers of core games released over the years from the first party and third party, without counting the casual ones like hana montana or deca sports or carnival, that any avid gamer would pick and enjoy:

   1.- 2007 it had 53 games
   2.- 2008 it had 69 games
   3.- 2009 it had 53 games
   4.- 2010 it had 51 games
   5.- 2011 it had 26 games

   Not too bad for a console, especially if you consider that has something for all tastes.

   The other two consoles doesnt have anything that comes close to those numbers, and you said that because of that that it will imply that it was collecting dust or gimmick,therefore that applies to the other consoles too, because at the least they had two titles that did surpass the 30% mark, were in the other consoles there is none, therefore an asumption of collecting dust and being gimmick, for that reason is not accurate, because it will apply to the other two, which has not games that did those numbers, COD included.

   Posted 8 months ago #

7. Phoenixblight
   Member

   And look at their sales. Only maybe few dozen of them have sold over a few million.

   My friends and their family game nights are not always gone to the Wii especially with the 360 and its kinect or PS3 with Little Big Planet and Modnation.

   THese are the friends that allow me to borrow their Wii when I wanted to play skyward sword and I just had to let them borrow Infamous 2. I had the Wii for 6 months at launch and I sold it because it was collecting dust the only time I played something was Twilight Princess and Wii Sports. THe only thing I was thankful for that system was selling it when I did and getting 2x the amount back then that I paid for along with me buying an extra one and being able to sell the system for 600$ on ebay.

   Posted 8 months ago #

8. ManuOtaku
   Member

   I respect that, thats your case, your likes and dislikes, and i understand you, i mean the wii is not for you, i do really respect that notion, what i dont agree is stating that because the wii has not games that surpass the 20% installed sales numbers base, which is not true, is collecting dust or gimmick, that notion is with what i dont agree, because that is very subjective, it can be true or false, it will depends on the eye of the beholder

   Posted 8 months ago #

9. Phoenixblight
   Member

   Well if that doesn't do it for you look for the hardware sales after the first two years. They hit a peak and then took a fast dive afterwards. Nintendo had to look into making another system because they couldn't maintain interest after those two years for people to get the Wii.

   Posted 8 months ago #

10. ManuOtaku
    Member

    In all previous christmas the wii sold like hotcakes, even last year, so i think people still did have some interest on the console.

    Posted 8 months ago #

11. Phoenixblight
    Member

    "In all previous christmas the wii sold like hotcakes, even last year, so i think people still did have some interest on the console."

    They just showed the NPD for Wii for last year and the system only sold 700k while the year before the system sold 1.1 million the year prior. Yeah sold like hot cakes I am sure.

    Posted 8 months ago #

12. ManuOtaku
    Member

    But compare those numbers with the other two consoles, in that contest it was not bad for a dust console collector or a gimmick one,

    Posted 8 months ago #

13. Phoenixblight
    Member

    I found it to be a dust collector and I believe the bulk of the system selling was because it was selling a gimmick I know this because that is why I bought it because I thought the motion controls would add something for gameplay for third parties then the cold hard reality slapped me in the face and only Nintendo was doing something with it.

    Posted 8 months ago #

14. OlderGamer
    Moderator

    PB industry wide hardware and software sales have been volital. This gen peeked a couple of years back. The gen, not just the Wii.

    Also want to correct one other thing. Doc said it actualy. Not everyone owns a tablet already. I don't. I have a android smart phone, but no tablet.

    And besides, I don't think Nintendo is promoting WiiU by saying "now you too can own a tablet". I think the pitch is more that "now you can enhance your gameplay by using tablet like features incorperated into your controler".

    Nintendo isn't selling a tablet. Nintendo is selling a game system with a unique and inovative controler.

    But carry on if you feel like it. Whatever floats your boats.

    Posted 8 months ago #

15. ManuOtaku
    Member

    PB "I found it to be a dust collector and I believe the bulk of the system selling was because it was selling a gimmick I know this because that is why I bought it because I thought the motion controls would add something for gameplay for third parties then the cold hard reality slapped me in the face and only Nintendo was doing something with it."

    You didnt see then when i said the following which is worth repeating:

    "I respect that, thats your case, your likes and dislikes, and i understand you, i mean the wii is not for you, i do really respect that notion, what i dont agree is stating that because the wii has not games that surpass the 20% installed sales numbers base, which is not true, is collecting dust or gimmick, that notion is with what i dont agree, because that is very subjective, it can be true or false, it will depends on the eye of the beholder"

    Posted 8 months ago #

16. polygem
    Member

    it´s not about competing with an ipad! not at all...it´s just about using a tablet on a gaming console because everyone wants/ already has a tablet and many love videogame consoles....it´s like putting 1 and 1 toogether really. that´s why i think it will become a huge success. nintendo cleverly uses this trend and implements it in their new console. people will want that because they enjoy the tablet thing, it´s just zeitgeist...it really isn´t about being an ipad or something like that, more about delivering what people desire.
    @PB: you really cannot generalize your impressions about the wii. my ps360 are collecting dust in the last year or so while i play the hell out of the wii and especially the 3ds atm. 3ds is by far my most played videogame machine for a year or so now and i love that thing. a friend of mine who is a hardcore pc gamer wants a wiiu because he feels like ps360 is just a limited pc experience. he cannot see a reason to buy into the console thing. he craves different gaming experiences though and games he can play together with his girl and the kid, he bought a 3dsxl and loves it, now he cannot wait for the wiiu...

    Posted 8 months ago #

17. emitchan
    Member

    very much looking forward to Zombie U and the multiplayer where the other player uses the pad to 'direct' Zombie attacks! Sounds fun!

    Posted 8 months ago #

18. DrDamn
    Member

    @OG & Poly
    Well obviously not *everyone* had a tablet, but you know what I mean. Poly indicated it as a selling point and it being a hot feature. In terms of potential gameplay implications sure, but from a sales perspective to a new customer not so much - at least not without clear functionality to back that up.

    With the Wii if you'd talked purely the technical side of motion controls then it wouldn't have a big impact - people had seen and used eye toys on the PS2. Give it some context with Wii Sports. Swinging your arm to play tennis, bowling etc. Suddenly light bulbs ping on and people understand, want, need.

    With WiiU realistically we are still at the initial stage. Descriptions are of the technical aspects. It's like a tablet, only not really, it's tied to the box under the TV, it's like a second screen for games. Nothing there to ping light bulbs yet, nothing to make Joe Public want it, to think they *need* it. It needs a killer app to sell it out the blocks, to really encompass what it is and what it does.

    Put it this way. Imagine you are selling the idea of the Wii and WiiU to people. With the Wii you could grab their imagination and have their attention within the first sentence. With the WiiU you'd need a couple of paragraphs to explain the potential, convince them to be interested.

    Posted 8 months ago #

19. KrazyKraut
    Member

    Now I will be offered to play RapeLay in a way, it was never possible before.

    Posted 8 months ago #

20. vivien
    Member

    YES

    Posted 8 months ago #

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