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Started 9 months ago by OlderGamer
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OlderGamer
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I found this to be a great read. It reflects almost exactly the way I feel about next gen. Written by Johnny Minkley, I think it worth the time to read.

"It'll be a "quantum leap", Alan Wake developer Remedy chirruped excitedly to this site last week. Which was in stark contrast to the underwhelmed shrug I got from a middleware company I chatted to off the record at Gamescom, familiar with both Orbis and Durango."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-28-how-do-you-sell-a-next-gen-console

Take a look.

For folks having trouble with the link, try this, should be top story:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/

How do you folks see next gen taking shape? Hardware powerhouses? Clever media boxes? Services device? Expensive hardware? 100usd games? F2P? Lets use this thread to lay down what we are thinking about Next Gen.

Posted 9 months ago #
HeavyD-Love
Member

For some reason, I cannot access the link. However in my opinion, considering current gen is running on 7-8 year old hardware, it would seem logical that next gen hardware should be quite a leap. Hell, I'll be happy even with just 1080p, 60fps consistency.

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

Saddly i cannot access the link OG, but my believes are pretty much close and/or resemble yours, i think the leap will not be as big as the previous gen, when the ps3 and 360 came out they were a little bit more powerfull than the best rig PC of that time, and i dont see that happening now, i think it will be close to what it is available right now on PC, but not much than that, due to cost constrains and the price factor.

As for media boxes i think microsoft will go that route if this generation is anything to go by, especially in the last part of this generation, for sony i dont know, but companys always implement what does work on other companys, so i think theres a possibility there that sony goes that route, especially now they do have Gaikai.

Having said that what iam more concern with the always connected rumour to play single player games, that will be a deal breaker for me, i dont mind it that much in multiplayer games, but in my eyes is a BIG FAT NO NO, for single player games, as for the prices and think the prices should not go up, since they are tools in the developments kits to make easier the development process, of course that will depend on the route some developers decide to go, if they want to go for the movie or cinematic feel, chances are the prices will get higher for sure, to unprecedented levels.
p.s and like Heavy i will be happy too with just 1080p and 60 fps, as an standard

Posted 9 months ago #
Moonwalker1982
Member

I was at Gamescom this month and i was behind closed doors at Activision. We saw a 15 minutes or so gameplay demonstration of Star Wars 1313. Much more than what can be seen on Youtube. And i couldn't believe my eyes. The guy was really playing it and graphically it's just unlike anything out there. I don't have words for it, but it was outstanding. I asked the guy who played it there for us if this was coming for consoles too. With that i of course meant next gen, but he couldn't comment on it.

But if that's what next gen is gonna look like...i'd say its a HUGE leap.

Posted 9 months ago #
polygem
Member

the games i play should be looking sharp and should be running smoothly...anything else is "just" design. i am not that hyped about the next gen. graphics probably wont win me over this time. i crave new gamedesigns, innovative gameplay, great artdesign, fresh ideas and not fresh painting. the battle for the newest tech doesn´t mean shit to me.

good read btw. didn´t get me any more excited though ;)

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

Of course the Nintendo guys aren't excited, your Wii u has similar specs to current Gen. If you think next Gen won't be a sizable leap you are truly dense(or in denial you Nintendo guys). Current Gen is 6 years old!

Posted 9 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

Oh thats right stretch, I forgot. I am buying a WiiU, and as such am not allowed to have any intrest in any other systems. I forgot to read the fine print on my rose tinted glasses ;)

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

I didn't say that. Dementia setting in already, old man? I think I struck a nerve there lol. Either way my earlier post is pretty accurate. You Nintendo zealot you.

Posted 9 months ago #
daytripper
Member

Tonight, 10pm London time, Konami = Next Gen

Posted 9 months ago #
Digital Bamboo
Member

Interesting article. While it may be true from a broader business standpoint, on a personal level, such an approach (online focus, contract) would not work for me, as I don't play games online, and I no longer have a credit card.

I too, would like to see 1080p 60fps standard, but is the promise of that really enough to move systems? I mean, isn't that what a lot of people think they're already getting with the current gen?

Whatever the specs, killer games will be key.

Posted 9 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

What I mean Stretch is that we can't somehow seperate Nintendo into their own group of gamers. I enjoy Nintendo games, but also game on the other two consoles and a PC. So to say that "Nintendo".

So to say that Nintendo gamers won't see much a jump forward, while "other gamers" will. Is silly. There really isn't an "other gamer" group. Just gamers. You really don't think that the zealots as you call us, only play on a Wii do you? Most of the core gamers on a site like this play more then just one system. You know that.

That is why I gave you the sarcastic response in the first place.

You know the ironic thing? As a PC gamer, I bet my games graphcily excede both the xb360/ps3, and very possibly the nxt gen system too. So for me, it is very possible that the next gen systems will be a step down. Again graphicly, and that is not so much of a big deal. I don't value only graphics(prolly why I can enjoy the Wii).

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

Wow, I didn't say anything about "other" gamers only playing anything. You have a clear bias toward Nintendo consoles, which are already a step behind. Due to this, you (and the rest of the NDF) come with the old "i don't care about specs" argument. Get it? I was only pointing out the obvious. Also, while important, graphics take a backseat to game play every time. Better specs are not only about graphics though, and you know that. If I were a graphics whore (and didn't spend all day on a PC while working) I'd game on PC. My (home) office machine is pretty high end

Posted 9 months ago #
Ireland Michael
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Console gaming will become increasingly irrelevant as mobile gaming, smart phones and tablet computers continue to explode in popularity, thanks to their accessible and useful nature.

Console games will continue to become even more generic, with creative ideas becoming even less likely due to the explosive costs to develop next gen title to keep them in line with the power of the hardware. Most games will be safe options, first person and third person shooters with safe ideas and generic settings in line with whatever the most popular franchise at the moment is.

The entire console gaming market will become just like Hollywood - uninspired and devoid of original ideas, where money and flashiness is all that matter, content to rehash the same old ideas over and over and over again. A few independent developers will keep creativity alive on the platform.

Nintendo will continue to financially out-perform both Microsoft and (especially) Sony in the console and handheld market, at least for the first few years, solely due to the fact that they seem to be the only one of the three who realises that the average consumer doesn't actually give two flying fucks about hardware specs.

This is the "next gen" of gaming.

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

Stretch if ps1/ ps2 gamers were ok with the less powerfull consoles for each of that particular gens, graphically speaking, remember they werent the most powerfull, and those gamers were ok with it, why not nintendo gamers this time?, i think all those gamers did had great fun with the ps1 and ps2 games, i know i did, and for them it didnt matter the other consoles did had the upper hand , again why the nintendo "zealots" or " the nintendo defense force", should be any different, we gamers tend to like the same, even if you dont see it that way, good games that play good, and are fun, if they look good thats a plus, but is not the end all be all, thats why is good to play in all consoles in order to not miss any good game out there.

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

You guys are right on cue. Lol. I feel like the puppet master.

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

puppet master that reminds me the terror series of movies from the 80´s. i like them it was in there with the leprechaum movies, although it didnt have Jennifer Aniston

Posted 9 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

"Of course the Nintendo guys aren't excited, your Wii u has similar specs to current Gen. If you think next Gen won't be a sizable leap you are truly dense(or in denial you Nintendo guys). Current Gen is 6 years old! "

Stretch, other then the idea that people that play Nintendo don't play other systems, alot of people think the way you do. here:

"It'll be a "quantum leap", Alan Wake developer Remedy chirruped excitedly to this site last week. Which was in stark contrast to the underwhelmed shrug I got from a middleware company I chatted to off the record at Gamescom, familiar with both Orbis and Durango."

Some industry insiders are very excited about the next gen, some are very disapointed. Some expect huge differences, and some don't. What i have noticed is that when speaking about or dancing around talk about their next gen projects, these people tend to be "excited" about the opertunities. But when speaking about the hardware in general, they aren't. Connection?

Let me get back to the idea that Nintendo gamers won't see a big jump, but non Nintendo gamers will. Because it drives me nuts, and either your not understanding what i am saying or ignoring it. It seems, your assuming that if I play a Wii, then a WiiU isn't much of a jump. While at the sametime if I play a PS360 the next gen will be a huge difference. Thats crazy. Mostly because even tho I play games on a Wii, I also play on PS360. I don't see this current gen as just the Wii. Anymore then I think about next Gen as just the WiiU or just the next Sony/MS systems.

Or maybe we take erths pov, he is a high end PC gamer, and next gen the consoles will be almost the power of what he is playing right now.

None of that btw, was what I was talking about when making this thread. I was just wondering what people thought about next gen systems. In particular if they felt the move forward would be staggering or miniscule or somewhere in between.

Just stop trying to make it about Nintendo gamers, or Sony gamers or XB gamers. Just make it gamers. This gen isn't just PS360(Wii wasn't last gen), and next gen isn't just PS4/xbnxt). You want to talk bias, there it is starting you in the face. Thinking like that. This gen is Wii/PS3/xb360. Next gen is WiiU/PS4/XBNXT. Pretty simple. Would be like saying N64 wasn't same gen as PSx/Saturn.

No one is upset, and your not pupetiering anything lol. I just think your a bit askew on a couple of things, and trying to antagonize. Bummer too, I really wanted to get some decent posts going about next gen systems.

Posted 9 months ago #
Moonwalker1982
Member

@ Ireland Michael.

I won't turn to mobile or tablet gaming. That stuff is horrible. And its games really aren't that special yet. I'll always want a controller in my hands and be able to play it on a big screen. until Tablets get that, i won't care for that.

More and more games already are becoming generic, but i feel there's still plenty of great stuff to look forward to. Personally for me...as long as we got developers like Rockstar, which is my favorite developer, Bethesda, CD Projekt and a few others, i'm good! They will keep bringing great games. I'm even gonna say Ubi, if that Watch_Dogs game really makes it to the market and it's great, it's a sign that great new ideas aren't dead yet. And i can't pretend that there's not an overload of awesome upcoming games like Borderlands 2, Darksiders 2(i still need to buy it), Dishonored, Hitman Absolution. Next year Tomb Raider, GTA V, Bioshock Infinite and so on. I'll be fine. If we get sequeals to these, or new IP's from these devs on next gen? Great.

Console gaming is far from dead as far as i'm concerned. The next gen really might be the last for console(god knows what happens then) but it's something i'm definitely goin to enjoy. I'm gonna ignore the unnessecary motion controls and just enjoy the shit out of these multiplats.

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

Lol. Keep it coming, old man. You are literally making my day! I was talking about the wii u coming out with specs similar to 6 year old systems. U mad? U seem mad. Go take your blood pressure meds before we have to call your old ass an ambulance.

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

Like your name you dont have any stretch of imagination, he is not mad or upset, he is quite happy stating his opinions, like he always does, thats why he started the post, just in order to debate his opinions and beliefs.

Posted 9 months ago #
Erthazus
Member

Great discussion. I will write my opinion a bit later, but

@Manu, "hen the ps3 and 360 came out they were a little bit more powerfull than the best rig PC "

that is not true. When they came they were better than average Joe's PC, but not the best RIG.

For example even PS3 and 360 dev kits (where developers make games for the consoles) they are more powerfull than the consoles.

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

Erthazus, thanks i can always rely to you when it comes to PC Tech things, well i thinks this will happen again then, the consoles will not come close to the best PC RIGs right now neither, that was my point , but it wasnt accurate with the PC reference, thanks again

Posted 9 months ago #
polygem
Member

hey stretch...i think you should go...your mom is calling...

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

Hey man-o-taco, he's a grown man. He can speak for himself. It figures a fellow ndf member would rush to his aid. This thread is awesome! Please continue! Hey poly cock. Go fuck yourself . You guys are hilarious! Nerd rage!

Posted 9 months ago #
ManuOtaku
Member

Is Sir Man-o-taco to you, without the sir is only to my friends and you arent, 8P, And is almighty NDF for you, you are part of the NAF, which reminds me of control vs kaos thing, we need each other to be happy

Posted 9 months ago #
polygem
Member

i liked how you signed your last post with your real name: nerd rage.

Posted 9 months ago #
stretch215
Member

Hey prolly-phlegm, that was almost clever. You, taco, and O'Connor are so predictable in your defense of your beloved leader: senile gamer. Thank you for helping my day pass quickly, which is all I really wanted. Maybe I'll bait you idiots some more tomorrow, as I'm in the office then as well. Be safe everybody. Peace.

Posted 9 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

Almighty NDF!!

Fellas we need T-Shirts!

...also Looking forward to Erths opinion when he gets time.

I am a leader? Of what? I think your over thinking things Stretch. Just do me a favor(I know like spitting into the wind and hoping you don't get wet), please just stick to topic.

We get it Stretch, Nintendo = bad. Lets move on ok?

Posted 9 months ago #
polygem
Member

man i really do hope your workmates in the office don´t like nintendo games...

no leaders no wars peace indeed!

Posted 9 months ago #
polygem
Member

i love that NDF term too!

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