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Started 11 months ago by reask
Latest reply from Moonwalker1982

reask
Member

I mean I have been called an xbot on many occasions on this site for very good reaons as I always defended 360 and rigtly so imo.

Sony were cocky so and so,s with there high price and even higher claims of the power of the cell nonsense.
I loved my 360 and laughed at the fanboys proclaiming how the next uc or kz was going to wipe the floor with superior gameplay and graphics.

Yet over the last 24 months it would appear to me that ms have got the same bug in regards to there customers.
Feck all first party games with the halos and gears expected to woo the faithful.
Pay to play staying as the norm.

I mean its just a thought really but with the new plus deals it would appear to me that Sony is going back to its roots and ms are sitting on there laurels.
dejavu anyone?

Posted 11 months ago #
G1GAHURTZ
Member

I don't think so, reask.

Sony were spectacularly arrogant.

$599 will teach us disciplne? We will all need to work overtime?

People take this 'lack of variety in exclusives' thing too far. So what if you can play the same game on another console? Does that make your game any worse?

Posted 11 months ago #
polygem
Member

i am totally with reask here. if we are talking this gen only i must say that the ms maschine definiteley was my main console. this changed completeley. i cannot see much more potential in the 360 other than the amazing looking halo 4, maybe gears and forza if you´re into these games. all the other stuff - for me- is just stuff i really do not need. some things even annoy me a lot and really turn me off, like the dashboard ads and stupid "musicians" faces on the music section of my dash from artists i will never listen to. stuff like that. the xbl fee hurts me more than ever. my account got hacked recently too. i lost ms points from that! after many many support calls i got those back and got even some more, but this really was scary, i can tell you. i hated their E3 presentation. it was overly mainstreamed and there wasn´t much for the gamer. it was shit. shit.
on the other hand the ps3 is priced really fair these days, has lots of exclusive games, all the multiplat stuff, some amazing games in the pipeline, free online, cool ps+ deals and so on...definitley the better console today. maybe this was different just a few years ago but it changed. sony really seems to focus more on games while ms takes a walk in the multimedia, social, app park more than ever. this is bad timing for it, very bad timing.
sony has the chance now to win some HC gamers over by pushing the ps3 with great game releases. it worked for me. ms should do the same. maybe they are just holding back- i doubt it though, and if they do, when will they announce stuff? nike360? exclusive brandnew arcade games, that look ok, but are not enough - some new AAA ip´s are desperatley needed. if they want to stretch this gen another one or two years, then new ip´s for this gen please, everything else is just lazy. there´s now way to argue against that. SmartGlass and a brower and ushers stupid face on my dash.....? FUCK OFF

arrogant they are all btw.

i will watch the next gen closeley. we all will. i swear i wont let fanboyism decide what i will buy, nor halo (eventhough this will be tough)

right now i think the next sony machine plus a wiiu will be the best solution for a gaming experience with the best quality, variety and bang for your buck....but we´ll have to wait and see anyway.

Posted 11 months ago #
reask
Member

I agree with the multiplat Giga and I am glad I own both.
I just think they have been letting it slip bit by bit over the last 2 years I mean look at mass effect now been a multiplat and I think the next splinter cell is going that way too.

Where are the innovative exclusives coming to replace them yet flip the coin and Sony has lots,and there is a good few.
We are coming close to the next gen now and you would have to say the one running out of steam are MS at this moment.

As I said the 360 was my first, I waited till the 299 Euro model came out before I got the PS3 but I seem to be spending more and more time on the ps.
I cancelled my gold sub for the first time in feb as I saw no reason to renew it.
If guys like me are thinking like that it would have to make you wonder.

These things are marathons and not sprints and at the moment for me anyway Sony are doing the better job.

Posted 11 months ago #
Christopher Jack
Member

I'm over this gen & I don't see the Wii U as a truly next gen console either. I only kept my 360 for 2 reasons, 1) I'd get less than $50 if I sold it, & 2) Halo 4. While I did see my PS3 offering me far more value, I sold it 'cuz I could still get $200 for it, but some of the recently announced, upcoming games have made me regret that decision a little. But still, as nice as the Last of Us & the other exclusives seem, I won't be buying another PS3 just to play them. In the mean time, PC all the way, the bugs & crashes do annoy me, but so far not enough for me to prefer either console.

Posted 11 months ago #
reask
Member

Problem for me anyway with PC is I know very little about the tech so would have to go in and ask the salesman for a gaming rig.
Couple of years down the road and for all intents it needs upgrading.
Not knocking PC I just find it much easier to browse the PS360 shelves
for games and the graphics and gameplay are more than good enough to satisfy me.

I suspect I am far from been alone in that respect.
The PC in my home is used for work and leisure be it emailing or you tubing etc.
Maybe next time I upgrade I will go that route but financially the expense does not justify it atm and I am more than satisfied with both consoles to garner my gaming needs for the next few years.

I was really talking about the MS Sony thing anyway as they seem to be the ones slogging it out for the majority of hd gamers.

OK wii is ahead but I just feel the wii is a different market so I didn't include it.

Posted 11 months ago #
Christopher Jack
Member

@Reask, You're not alone, I was in the same position a few years back but Steam changed this for me, the prices are quite incredible, especially during their specials. I already had a more than respectable CPU at the time so I started researching on GPUs & found the Radeon 5670 for $50, capable of playing everything I've thrown at it such as SkyRim, Crysis, on at least medium.

For $500~, you can build a computer, capable of playing just about everything on high, I'd recommend at least an i5 processor, 4GB of RAM & a Radeon HD 6850 or higher. You don't need to be a genius to build one, me & my mate successfully built his without any prior experience & the only knowledge we had were of the components themselves.

If you're interested, I could post all the mandatory components needed to build one, if you do decide to go down that path, get someone experienced with computers to assist you.

Posted 11 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

I really never seen Sony as dragging this gen. I felt both companies started out great appealing to the hardcore on different front's. All the games from the start were hit or misses and honestly a lot of the consumers lost patience to quickly.

After 2008 everything was practically leveled between the 2 with one offering something the other didn't. Now it's just starting to become completely one sided across the board. Sony seems to be the only model geared to the Gamer. Not the devote, not the "hardcore". but the gamer.

I personally have been trying to find a reason to own all the systems but to be honest being a gamer to me doesn't mean just buying every system. To me being a gamer is knowing and playing the things you like in gaming. MS has never delivered for me so I have been spending convention and convention hoping one of these conferences to turn the tide. But, so far nada.

In the end lately MS really has disappointed in gaming offerings. However, they aren't going to really suffer. They are able to maintain market awareness off of 3 ips and the multiplats to keep people busy for the next 2 years. Halo 4 this year, Gears next year and forza in between. They aren't in any position TO have to deliver anything new to us they just have to ride Ps3 and Wii U's coat tails.

Posted 11 months ago #
daytripper
Member

Good post ^

Posted 11 months ago #
Da Man
Member

I'm content with 5 computer toys a year, one of which lasts for up to three years, and I really never wasn't into interactive movies, so Ms probably are the new Sony, just not in the sense that this thread implied..

I also dislike computer software that you play to see the ending and then it collects dust. Way too many of those these days.

If it wasn't for all the third party titles I would've never owned the ps2, or ps1 for that matter.

Posted 11 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

reask +1

Posted 11 months ago #
OrbitMonkey
Member

It is amusing to see how MS's & Sony's goals have flipped this gen. Sony were all about multimedia at the start and MS all about the games... Now?

All that needs to happen is for MS to release the Nextbox with a built in kinnect for £500 and we'll have come full circle.

Posted 11 months ago #
Ge0force
Member

@G1GAHURTZ: "$599 will teach us discipline?"

At least it was a one time payment for a console with Wi-fi, blu-ray player and FREE online. Xbox360 didn't have any of those at launch, and costs 60 dollar a year for online gaming. Paying 60 dollars for seven years = 420 dollar to host your own games. Oh and you still get ads on top of it. Do you call THAT discipline?

Posted 11 months ago #
Ireland Michael
Moderator

Not quite understanding the comparison, since the obvious major difference here is that the 360 is actually still selling well.

Sony never sat on their laurels. They just had an obnoxious entry point on price and a terrible line-up of launch titles, while almost completely ignoring their strong line-up of past franchises.

Posted 11 months ago #
lexph3re
Member

@Orbitmonkey

I can't say Sony's goals really changed. If you think about it media wise MS is catching up just now acquiring things that Sony already had. Sony had netflix hulu plus, vudu, Music Unlimited, Video,MLB, NHL, NFL, Crackle and Amazon prime on it first. Youtube, facebook, facebook integration bluray it was all and still functioning very well on ps3.

MS has just got to build enough awareness on their console and maximize sales before their inevitable next gen console.

Posted 11 months ago #
Ge0force
Member

@Ireland Michael: I think it's not a bad thing to push new IP's during the launch of a new generation console. To be honest, last thing I want is another Halo, Gears, Forza, Uncharted and God of War on the next generation consoles.

Posted 11 months ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

"To be honest, last thing I want is another Halo, Gears, Forza, Uncharted and God of War on the next generation consoles."

Me either, but that is prolly exactly what will be advertised.

Posted 11 months ago #
reask
Member

First thing needed on both next gen is full bc that way you get the ones that missed either on board.
If MS do that it would be a big boost for the next one.

@ Michael.
I was kinda thinking next gen and the role reversal putting MS where Sony where this gen if you get what I,m saying.

PS4 will have a ton load of exclusives yet MS will be pretty thin on the ground unless there are new games to start with.

Posted 11 months ago #
Ireland Michael
Moderator

I'm not saying we shouldn't have new IPs, but you also need to leverage successful franchises to keep your company's finances stable. You can't just randomly throw out franchises and hope that they stick.

Posted 11 months ago #
OrbitMonkey
Member

What would be cool from a social point of view, would be if you could use cross game chat on your phone via smartglass...

Free texts and calls to anyone on Xbox live? Very nice.

Posted 11 months ago #
Moonwalker1982
Member

New IP's ARE nessecary though. Especially when the new console come. I'd love to see a brand new Epic game using the new tech and what not. I'm not a Halo fan, but i'm definitely waiting for Halo 4 though after what they've shown at E3. But there should be more than just Halo and Gears of War. Look at Sony, i may just be two new IP's, but it's something. The Last of Us and Beyond Two Souls, both very interesting new titles.

But not so long ago there were reports about Rare looking for new people to work on FPS and other genres for the next gen. Also MS was hiring people for a AAAA next gen exclusive i believe? It all remains to be seen what happens at next E3 though, a awesome reveal of the new Xbox would be great, finally a very interesting E3 again...but we'll see.

At the same time, we get nothing but awesome games from these third parties, so much that i have a very hard time keeping up and i find myself buying games more than actually playing and finishing them,lol. So in that way we can't complain...but a new IP, especially for the next gen is very nessecary.

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