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1. DSB
   Member

   I think some people believe that the reason why we are experiencing bugs and crashes in Fallout: New Vegas is because of this grand conspiracy, that apparently includes the people who bought it, most games journalists, Feargus Urquhart - CEO of Obsidian Entertainment, and the Nexus modding community.

   I imagine that what we've done is we've hired the games journalists to slander the game with stories of how buggy it is, after which the games journalists have blackmailed Feargus Urquhart into apologizing for the buggyness, and subsequently hired Nexus modders to fix the buggyness, even though it obviously never existed.

   Why did we bother to frame this near perfect effort? Because we're evil. We're evil and we're idiots.

   It all makes sense when you think about it. And if you don't see it, well, then you're just a stupid idiot who doesn't see things, apparently. Unlike me, of course. I see everything. You'll have noticed that about me by now.

   If nothing else though, it is a good excuse to fire it back up, and it is a good yarn of a game. But short of buying all the DLC so you can run Mission Mojave, or perhaps scrounging the Nexus for less extensive bugfixes, it's still a buggy mess today.

   Not as buggy as it was two years ago, and certainly not as buggy as it was at launch, but I'm still getting random CTDs roughly once within every 3 hours of game time. The fix for the launcher is a little dodgy too, since that also crashes every once in a while. It used to crash by default the first time you fired it up, and then it would usually work fine the second time.

   Of course then you have all the smaller bugs, like settlements becoming randomly hostile for no reason, objects floating in thin air, and I believe that our Nexus co-conspirators have gone pretty far to fix a lot of those, at least they claim to, but I'm about 40 dollars worth of DLC away from finding out.

   At least Bethesda has a sense of humor about it. 45 dollars for the DLC, or 40 for the "Ultimate Edition"? That's not just piling on DLC, that's actually humiliating you for buying it, since you'll be punished if you don't also buy the game with it, for a second time.

   I'm guessing that'll count as a second sale. I'll be stuck with the same old license I always had, but Bethesda will have sold me two copies. I bet it looks better that way, when you show it to investors :P

   Let's talk about it!

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. ManuOtaku
   Member

   I dont know man some of the bugs are great, like the backwards flying dragon, oh wait......

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. Crab of Thunder
   Member

   Personally I loved Fallout New Vegas, there are bugs here and there but they can be ignored. The crashing however is annoying.

   It's true that they haven't advanced from Fallout 3 much but they have built on that game and made most things better, more weapons, more variety in general, better karma system. Best thing of all is that it is packed full of things to do, unlike Fallout 3 which could feel somewhat barren at times.

   Worth getting, especially the price you can get it nowadays. Heard the DLC is decent, but I haven't tried it personally so I can't vouch for it.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. DSB
   Member

   Some really can't be ignored, though.

   http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Blake_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)

   I just ran into that guy again. Apparently buying from him will cause a crash half the time. For me, right now, it's every single time.

   First time I saw a scope for my hunting rifle, which is something I really wanted. I buy it and the game crashes. When I reload, he restocks so the scope is gone.

   Of course then I tried to buy something else. Crash to desktop, yet again.

   I agree that beyond the coding, the game is good, and I think it's the game Fallout 3 should've been, but it's also a lot less stable.

   Having a merchant in the game that does little more than crash it really isn't good enough. They could've at least taken him out in one of the patches, if they weren't going to fix it.

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. ejams
   Member

   I must disagree with you guys hehe. Fallout 3 in my opinion captured what Fallout is suppose to be about in a much greater sense. Sure, New Vegas was a pretty great game on it's own, but it was a LOT less serious and the story was just bad. I'm not saying Fallout 3's was any better, but the overall tone and mood mixed in with the setting and colour scheme of 3 really brought me in to the game more. Some of the design choices they made were also not the greatest, like damage threshold. That seemed so pointless and made a lot of the explosives totally useless. The iron sights animations were horrendous etc, etc, but to each their own opinion, I guess. Here's to hoping Fallout 4 can make everyone happy.

   Bugs-wise yea it was pretty bad last time I played it (which was awhile ago so I'm sure it's a little better), but then again, I'm playing on the PS3 which Gamebryo just can't seem to play nice with. I tried going back to New Vegas but I just can't feel it.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. Erthazus
   Member

   "Fallout 3 in my opinion captured what Fallout is suppose to be about in a much greater sense"

   So what F3 captured?

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. Talkar
   Member

   FNV paid homage to the original 2 Fallout, whereas Fallout 3 pretty much ignored them. FNV is the better game of the two IMO.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. ejams
   Member

   Well I know that both games really showed what happens when a nuclear war ravages the earth looks and feels like to everyone, but it was way more focused on it in 3. In New Vegas, it was like "Well, some of the bombs kinda hit, but Las vegas was prepared and destroyed most of them. So let's gamble guys!", and above that you have all these factions fighting for control yadda yadda. In 3, it's that you're this guy whose been living underground for his entire life, when suddenly he's forced in to this hellish world where there's fucking monsters and mutants capturing and torturing people, you have to scavenge the old suburbs for supplies, you have to help restore a facility to bring back fresh drinking water in order for this part of the wasteland to survive. There are options along the way like saving or destroying megaton, but those are optional. New Vegas may have been more advanced as a game, but as a world to get immersed in, 3 took the cake for me.

   Edit: Now I didn't play the original ones so there may be bias here (or lack thereof), but standing as it's own game, I believe 3 was the better game. I just enjoy the whole metro system/City of washington D.C. plus the wasteland it was a lot of variety for environments.

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. absolutezero
   Member

   I spent hours in the Dunwich Building.

   I spent about 5 minutes wandering around most of the areas in New Vegas.

   Posted 1 year ago #

10. Erthazus
    Member

    @ejams,

    "Well, some of the bombs kinda hit, but Las vegas was prepared and destroyed most of them. So let's gamble guys!"

    That's the spirit of Fallout universe in general. If you want something serious about nuclear war and etc. you should look elsewhere. for example S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series.

    Also, F3 was not more serious. Remember the first mission in the first local town with nuclear bomb? That is what i'm talking about. That is ridiculous.

    " There are options along the way like saving or destroying megaton, but those are optional."

    It's the only major option in the entire game. Fallout:New Vegas have not just choices but you can complete all quests without killing someone at all, now that's roleplaying.

    "Edit: Now I didn't play the original ones"

    and that's the problem.

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. DSB
    Member

    Did you play the originals ejams?

    They may have had emotional weight in terms of the things happening around you, but they were anything but serious in my opinion.

    That's what made it great. The world had pretty much descended into madness, and while I have no idea whether that's realistic or not, the feeling of the game has really stayed with me. Walking around in a wasteland where everybody has just lost their minds.

    Even the people trying to keep order were messed up. In some ways the ultra violent gangs almost felt saner.

    I think that was amazing, and I don't think Fallout 3 honored it at all. The main story was a special letdown. In the original Fallouts it was never about the story, the main objective was always underwhelming.

    The interesting part was seeing that whole world and getting caught up in it, and I think the genius part is that it was intended to be that way. Rather than pursue your objective you went into a million other adventures instead.

    In this one, you were like the messiah. That just doesn't click.

    Fallout 3 wasn't all bad, but the parts that really lived up to the original games were few and far in between. Meeting Harold and seeing what had happened was definitely the highpoint of the game for me.

    Actually I don't think New Vegas goes far enough either. It's missing the slightly depressing tinge that the original Fallouts had, but it's a lot closer than F3 to me. A lot of the concepts of New Vegas are actually swiped from what was originally supposed to be Fallout 3 (Van Buren).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Buren_(Fallout_3)

    Posted 1 year ago #

12. ejams
    Member

    @Erth, yea STALKER looks pretty cool but I don't have the PC to play it, although I'm looking forward to Metro: Last Light

    @DSB, I actually enjoy the idea of being the almighty savior of the wastes, it makes you feel good knowing you're helping out in a world that can't be saved. But I have a really white-knight personality anyways which reflects on how I play my games so meh.

    After seeing all these points, there's good and bad in the D.C. and Mojave wastelands. Where would you guys want to see it get taken next? Personally, I love the whole ruined city type location (which really made the Dead City portion of Rage stand out for me. Unfortunately, it was waaay too short), so I'd want to see it in another city but somewhere with more interesting and iconic locations. A change in weather like Skyrim would be really cool, like if it could start going in to an intense blizzard or something. Maybe somewhere in Canada.

    Posted 1 year ago #

13. Edo
    Member

    Yeah,i have to agree with ejams on this one simply because Fallout 3 is my favorite game of all time and as he said the reason I like it so much might be because I didn't play the original ones but honestly I don't care.There was something about the world...I don't know was it that overall feeling of desperation,or the fact that there was always this sense of danger whenever you were wondering through the wasteland or was it because(SOMEWHAT SPOILER)I was doing weird experiments for Moira that included hurting myself on purpose ...several times :) (the minefield and radiation parts were especially "fun" :) ).I still remember the first time I stepped out of vault 101 and was simply overwhelmed with the size of the world and all of the possibilities it was offering and the first time I heard this piece of music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmrdAX2lSg&list=FLl3bsbA6qRXeg6tzOsJOFvw&index=6&feature=plpp_video I was just in awe and felt in love with this ruined,desperation filled world that just like this music had a pinch of hope in it and that someone could use it to make things better or hell... bring even bigger misery to this creatures that have been through hell and back.And the Tranquility lane....oh my.

    Posted 1 year ago #

14. DSB
    Member

    @ejams Oh I'm not judging you, to each their own, but I was just wondering whether you played the originals, because in my opinion they were a lot less serious, and you did feel like just another wasteland wanderer.

    For me that kinda defines the whole charm of the series, and I feel like Fallout 3 didn't deliver on that. Which of course isn't to say that you can't love it for what it is instead.

    I think it was the original Fallout that actually made me lose track of time for the first time in a videogame. I'd stay up way too late and barely notice. Made it pretty difficult to get up the next morning and go to school.

    Personally I'd love to see the ruins of San Fransisco from Fallout 2. One of my favourite places in any videogame :P

    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/San_Francisco

    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Gate

    Posted 1 year ago #

15. ejams
    Member

    @Edo, you basically summed up my feelings exactly. My favourite game ever too, can't wait to see where they take it next.

    @DSB, yea when I saw the E3 trailer for the first time, that was basically the first time I ever heard of Fallout (which is sad because it's so great), but really that first trailer put in the mindset of what I was going to expect going in, and it was honestly one of, if not the greatest experience I've had gaming.

    For San Francisco as a location, that sounds really cool actually. If they were to return the game there for the new one, they could relate a lot of it back to the originals for people like you, while putting their own spin on it for people like me. I think it's a grand idea.

    Posted 1 year ago #

16. Edo
    Member

    @ejams For some reason I think that Fallout 4 will take place in New York(I know that most of the people are fed up with "Big Apple" being used in games but I am almost certain it will happen)that Bethesda will most likely announce it at this year's VGA Awards(that happen sometime in December) and that it will be out for 2013 holidays,and here's my wish list:
    1)The companion managing needs to be improved or at least make it like it was in New Vegas
    2)Bring some of the old weapon schematics and tons of new ones and improve the overall weapon(and other stuff) crafting
    3)Please no vehicles,or if they're going to put something then they should make it really hard to obtain and even harder to maintain so you can't use it very often.
    4)The story needs to be more focused(I know that in Bethesda games story isn't their selling point but still)
    5)More factions and please make the Brotherhood Of Steel more important for the overall story(I don't care if they are the bad guys this time around just make it happen)cause I hated what they did to them in New Vegas.
    I guess that's it,looking forward to the inevitable announcement of F4 I just hope that I 'm right and that they will announce it this year.

    Posted 1 year ago #

17. YoungZer0
    Member

    Yeah, i'm with the rest here. Fallout 3 simply had no idea what made Fallout so great. The tone was more serious, the writing was just bad, which if we're being honest here is exactly what Bethesda is known for. The opening sequence of Skyrim just shows how terrible their writers are.

    Just imagine you play the Elders Scrolls for the first time.

    You hear names of 10 different gods, locations, peoples names. All this in the first 3 min. You stop paying attention to it from the start. Then, of course, there is the typical prophecy bullshit, you saving the world, yada-yada-yada.

    I remember the first time i saw the opening and i just went to make myself some proper tea. Watching the water boil was more fun than that.

    Back to Fallout. Personally, i thought Fallout 3 was just boring. And the main story about cleaning up water didn't even make sense if you knew anything about radiation.

    Fallout 1/2 introduced us to a depressing, brutal and yet weird world that was full of charm and quirkiness. There was no greater good in the world. Every faction had their own personal agenda. There was no good choice, just lighter shades of gray, which enforced the depressing feeling.

    Fallout 3 was as black and white as it gets. Save a city or just blow it up for no fucking reason. Then again, why save a city of faceless morons? I don't even remember one of the characters. They were either annoying or shallow. ... just like in every Bethesda Game i guess.

    The brotherhood were the good guys the enclave the bad guys. Good vs. Bad.

    Boring + Boring = Fallout 3.

    Fallout NV had very interesting character, that had flaws, that weren't annoying or just assholes. You could be be the jesus of the wasteland or the new Caesar.

    But i digress ...

    To the topic. Yes, Fallout NV is still a buggy mess. I just recently reinstalled it with all the DLC. I wanted to use some of the mods, but i fear it would just kill it. Last time i played it, was the normal version with the latest patch, with every interesting mod there is, the result was a CTD every 20 min. or so.

    I really hope Obsidian gets the chance to make another Fallout again, with less bugs this time around. I don't remember the last time i had a CTD in Skyrim, so whatever Bethesda did, it works.

    Posted 1 year ago #

18. DSB
    Member

    @YZ If you have the ultimate version, you're in luck:

    http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/45104

    That should fix a large number of the bugs. I wish I could use it, but spending 40 dollars on DLC is something I'd only do if I had absolutely nothing else to spend it on.

    I guess poor engineering is one thing Fallout NV has in common with at least Fallout 2 - It's gonna take years to fix it. Fallout 2 only really became stable within the last decade.

    Posted 1 year ago #

19. YoungZer0
    Member

    Never heard of that one. Downloading now. Thanks, DSB.

    Posted 1 year ago #

20. DSB
    Member

    Alright, so apparently they haven't done anything to fix the corrupted save issues.

    It just happened to me, 25 hours into my second playthrough. There doesn't seem to be any way to fix it, and according to all the forums I've read, nobody at Bethesda or Obsidian cares.

    That makes me pretty bitter. The fact that you can pay full price for a game today, and suffer corrupted saves in a game from 2010 is almost unbelievable. I guess it's even more unbelievable that they still think it's worth 40 euros.

    I don't think I've had that happen to me since the late 90's.

    Game and playthrough = Completely and utterly fucked.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/8241-Obsidian-Does-it-Again

    Posted 1 year ago #

21. fearmonkey
    Member

    While I enjoyed fallout:new vegas its by far one of the buggiest games I have ever played. Obsidian is known for that and from now on I will take a wait and see on any Obsidian developed title. I didnt even buy Fallout:new veags till 4 to 6 months after release and it was still buggy as heck and i had to reload many a prior save. I got used to saving constantly so I could go back to a prior save with Bethesdaa's games but new vegas made it a necessity. I will say that Im glad that it allows you to have many save game copies, some games do the autosave thing and that sucks, as i had a save game corruption while playing Condemned 2 and it corrupted thanks to a freeze up when i was close to the end of the game.

    Posted 1 year ago #

22. Iyumichan
    Member

    Excuse me?

    Posted 1 year ago #

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