This is the first mgs game ive played and the only thing i no about mgs is that Snakes a clone of liquid and he has a disease that makes him old(please say thats right?) But seriously so far all ive done is crawl just to get to the next checkpoint and if i stand up or crouch i just get scene...like wtf. Am i playing the game wrong are something cause i find crawling to be extremely boring and once i got to the part were you meet this red head woman and a guy who keeps shitting his pants, the game started to get more actiony..but the cover and shooting is just so clunky and shit. Any tips are anything cause so far the game is just so boring.
Metal gear solid 4 questions(21 posts)
@Lol liquid and snake are clones of big boss, and that disease is fox die and snake and liquid have it which causes rapid ageing. Any more questions relating to the story just ask.
Regards to the game, just play it how ever you feel like playing, it doesn't matter if you get scene it just means more bad guys come. but the objective is to sneak past enemies and get as far as you can without being seen.
I play the game once with sneaking, then play the game all guns blazing.
@Lol give the game a chance and stick with it because i played everyone and loved them all (MGS3 is the best by the way)
@V do the other games have the same gameplay as mgs4?
@lol ermmmm similar but the other games have different features to the gameplay like mgs3 is more survival eg you have to eat and actually heal your wounds. mgs 2 is more action than stealth
Got to say LOL I played it for a bit and just got bored tbh.
I will say stealth games are not my favourite at the best of times.
It seemed to be a good game but a little bit corny maybe.
I remember the shitty pants bit :).
Game seemed a bit ott to me but I still have it so may get back to it sometime in the future.
I can see how it would seem a little clunky at first, but I urge you to spend a bit of time in the starting zone getting used to moving around in cover whilst tracking the enemies. The starting zone is all a bit chaotic from what I remember.
And yes, MGS is more about sneaking and stealth than it is gunplay (bosses excluded perhaps), so if you're looking for a 3rd person CoD, this is not it.
Don't feel like you have to crawl everywhere though.. a crouching walk is much quicker point-to-point.
Stick with it though, it really is an awesome series.
IMO you should look to pick up MGS1, 2, 3 and play those first. Apart from being better games, the MGS franchise is all about it's amazingly detailed story. I hazard a guess to say that most people who started with 4 would not see it through to completion.
You've pretty much described MGS3/4. They are pretty bad games all round. MGS3 was also the first sign that Japanese dev's were falling behind Western dev's. You couldn't even rotate the camera with right-stick for example.
MGS2 gets away with the clunkiness because when it was released being able to go into 1st-person shooting mode was an amazing new thing.
MGS1 - One of the greatest games ever. Lived up to the hype.
MGS2 - Some of the best graphics of it's time and innovative features like 1st-person shooting, but being stuck on the Strut all game made it quite boring.
MGS3 - Clunky and behind the times. Annoying camoflauge feature. No enemy cones on the mini-map because it's set in the 60's for some stupid reason, but the engine doesn't work for that kind of gameplay.
MGS4 - Same as 3 really, and ruining one of the coolest characters in games by making him old...Why??
I can see how some would call certain mechanics 'aged', but anyone who can't appreciate MGS3 as one of the best PS2 games in existence can take a sugar-frosted fuck off the end of my dick ;)
And how the hell did they ruin snake by him being old?
I suppose you want to play young blonde muscle-men in every game you play?
I guess it's all down to the person. MGS3 was probably the last time I actually played a game for the story. No game storyling since has captivated me like that, and I'll take a decent story over guns, blood, and camera-controls any freaking day.
"No enemy cones on the mini-map because it's set in the 60's for some stupid reason" lol
All the MGS games are superb. Especially 3 and 4 for their versatility and the sheer scope offered in the way you can tackle the challenges. I've never seen any other game come remotely close to providing you with so many different ways of playing through it. Most people play the most obvious route - but there's so many objects, methods and tricks to discover in the games it's pretty amazing.
That said, I wouldn't recommend MGS4 as your first exposure to the series. The story is as much about the characters and their history as anything else and it'll make no sense whatsoever (not that it makes a huge amount of sense in the first place). You'll be utterly lost in Chapter 3 and the brilliance of Chapter 4 will be totally wasted. Not to mentioned the closure of the game itself. For the full effect, play the games 1,2,3 and then 4. Don't ruin it for yourself.
Also got to agree with Deacon about 'being old'. MGS4 takes a franchise character that everyone knows and expects and completely subverts it and pretty much fucks it over. That's a very bold move and one to be applauded in this age of risk-free gaming.
Stardog's other criticisms are pretty much trolling or, if not, show someone that really doesn't pay any attention to the games they play.
Trolling because you don't agree with me? The usual argument of a 16-year-old. Well done.
"No game storyling since has captivated me like that"
MGS3 is convoluted and dull. Another example of Japanese games going off the rails (see FFXIII).
"I'll take a decent story over guns, blood, and camera-controls any freaking day."
And there's your problem. Gameplay is far more important than story.
If you're a fan of gameplay, MGS3 and 4 are awful experiences.
One of the recent games I love is Dark/Demons Souls, which is ALL about gameplay. I don't think I belong solely to one 'type'.
Convoluted and dull my arse. I wonder, can you tell me your favourite game storyline?? Satisfy my curiosity if you would be so kind.
You seem to be someone who thinks story isn't even a factor..
Bottom line IMO is that the gameplay in all of the MGS games worked just fine. Maybe not for everyone, but a million miles away from being broken or archaic.
Comparing XIII to ANY MGS is just plain wrong.
Trolling because you don't agree with me?
Unfortunately for you, no.
Because moaning about "why is Snake old" or "Why no cones on the MGS3 radar" make perfect sense if you apply an ounce of thought to what is going on.
There are very good reasons for these choices that are substantiated over and over and over again by the game in both narrative and gameplay.
You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but your actual argument is a load of vacuous tosh and reads like a knee-jerk troll post of someone who is talking before thinking.
Completely agreed with everything Stardog said, aside from that I found the first Solid game rather average too. The topic was done to death though.
LOLShock, if you're looking for an adequate stealth game, try Thief or Splinter Cell.
"Convoluted and dull my arse. I wonder, can you tell me your favourite game storyline?? Satisfy my curiosity if you would be so kind."
It's not my favourite, but a decent recent story is Mass Effect 1's.
"Comparing XIII to ANY MGS is just plain wrong."
I was comparing Japanese storylines.
The gameplay in MGS3+ was archaic because Splinter Cell had already been around for a while with a free-cam, etc. Maybe you didn't play that so MGS3 wouldn't have felt old.
Agree to disagree here then folks.
And you're right, I've never gotten into Splinter Cell. Without even thinking I'd take the Japanese game over the USA equivalent, at least back in those days anyway.
IMO, there's absolutely no comparison when it comes to artsyle, something I put a lot of value in. And from what I've heard of Splinter Cell, the Metal Gear storyline is just much more appealing to me. I'd rather eat a dick than sit and read one of Tom Clancy's novels, but again, that's just me.
Iconic moment for Splinter Cell: A tri-force of green lights on a head-band
Iconic moment for Metal Gear Solid: HUGE NUCLEAR-EQUIPPED MECHS MOTHERFUCKA!
I'm clearly biased, but there it is.
I kinda wished I'd played Splinter Cell so that I could directly correlate, but even without playing it I know MGS rips the shit out of it.
Each to their own, but you're both idiots for not appreciating MGS ; p
ESPECIALLY saying that MGS1 was 'rather average'!!!!! these accusations are outrageous!! It blew my fucking tits off man!!
@Joe Musashi Il take your advise and play the other games but is it really necessary to play the first game? because I dont have a ps1 to play it so should i just read the story off wiki are sumit?
@Deacon I love stealth games and ive been doing stealth all the way through mgs4 so far but the only way i can sneak through the warzone thing is to crawl because even if i do crawl i just keep getting spotted because the enemys always respawn.
you can play psone games on a ps3 also you can buy the digital copy of mgs1 on psn. as for your method you should explore the environment more because you can find enemy clothing with to Blend in as well as boost and support the rebel faction from the pmcs. in doing so youll be a little more free then move about. like deacon said its a ton of ways to play the game not just laying on your tummy crwling.
It may just be the HD collection seeing as I have just played it but I'm pretty sure MGS3 does have a free camera.
Anyway fantastic games, but yeah don't jump in at 4 because it will make absolutely no sense!
MGS3 didn't at first, but got the free camera in the Subsistence edition.
I'd have finished MGS3/4 if it wasn't for the cutscenes... Too long & too many for me.
@LOL - it's by no means necessary to play the first game - or any of them. Just like you don't have to watch Star Wars to enjoy Return of the Jedi. Though knowing the former will considerably add to your experience of the latter.
Why not go for the middle-ground and watch a 'Let's Play' of the game? I very much recommend Something Awful's "LP Archives" of the series here. You'll get to see the game and the commentary for the Chip Cheezum produced videos are pretty educational and entertaining.
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