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1. BraveArse
   Member

   You know what I miss? I miss the days when people were simply excited to see a new piece of hardware. For the chance of a new experience. When fanboys were a minority on forums, and people genuinely looked forward to something new and exciting instead of seeing it as some kind of ridiculous threat to their chosen corporate tribe. The pre-"meh" days of the internet, if you like.

   Right now, it seems like some people want Sony to fail, other people want Nintendo to fail, still others profess and rejoice at the decline of MicroSoft with it's increasing focus on Kinect at the expense of "generic-yet-another-shooter 4".

   PC gamers seem to hate everything that isn't a PC, or mouse and keyboard based; while the only thing that unites console gamers is general hatred of PC gamers, and possibly Nintendo especially among those riciculous enough to consider themselves "hardcore", as if anyone reading their comments hasn't the same enthusiasm, dedication and passion for the medium they share.

   There's far too much schadenfreude. A chorus of "I told you so" and "yay" when a games company gets into trouble. Fuck the jobs at risk, eh?: Am I right lads? They fucking deserve it... how dare they try and make games that we don't like.

   As if it's a good thing that we stand a good chance of having a homogenised games market where "generic racer 5" differentiates itself from "generic racer 5a" by the boundless choice of racing stripes available to them.

   Oh wait, we're already there. Thanks for that, fanboys.

   I keep on saying it, but I'll say it here again. To me fanboyism encompasses corporate loyalty and hatred of any one corporation. It all amounts to sucking Satan's bell end. If you indulge in it, you are wishing away the diversity of a medium which desperately needs it. I'll never understand it. I just wish it would go away, but I guess the internet is now the home of "meh" and hate.

   Is there anyone here who can explain fanboyism to me in a way that isn't frothing at the mouth? Or in a way that's even halfway sensible?

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. Bluebird
   Member

   Just stay on small websites. :)

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. Ireland Michael
   Moderator

   I'm still the kind of person you described in your post.

   Those kind of people have always existed. The difference is that they are freely and easily avoided offline.

   You want to spend time with normal, well adjusted gamers online who just like having fun and enjoying new games? Well... VG247 is probably not the community you will want to stick around in for that.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. Hunam
   Member

   To be honest, the old days were a little less depressing, but the PC vs Console stuff has been around for ever so that's hardly new. I'd admit that the PC dudes are more angry now than before but that's just down to the constant stream of crappy ports of good games.

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. DSB
   Member

   I think you're forgetting about all the things that have happened since the 90's BraveArse. Back then there wasn't nearly the same focus on the games industry. With these 24 hour blogs, we're following games from cradle to grave, and that means we build up a much bigger stake in them, than simply "that game I saw in the store with the awesome box" or one that you might've read an article about in a games mag (rather than one you'd read 50 about).

   Today we're as driven by the narrative put out by the publishers and their developers, as we were by genuine curiosity back in the day. A game always had a bit of mystery when you picked it up, today it has set a bar for itself, before it's even launched.

   I think that means we involve ourselves with them a lot more, and for example, when a terrible idea like Homefront manages to get through all the corporate entanglement, to actually see the light of day, and it fails, then quite obviously, there's going to be people going "I told you so".

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. OrbitMonkey
   Member

   The old days? Meh...

   ;)

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. Noodlemanny
   Member

   Anyone who says schadenfreude is being ironic. My dictionary (physical) doesn't even have that in it. I don't know, maybe its American.

   Anyway I'd say fan-boys comes from human-nature.Blacks, Indians, Pakies theirs always some other group we pick on because their different and our brains are a little bit crazy like. I always like to to and figure out how stuff makes things more likely to survive. We survive best when we're in groups because we can rely (most of the time) on others when we need it. But why not steal that other groups food and survive that extra hard winter?

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. BraveArse
   Member

   Lmao @ Orbit :)

   Yeah, i know I should really stay away from this place when I'm in the kind of mood that makes me write a post like my one above, but I actually do like the many "good ones" here. So unfortunately, I'll keep accidentally reading stuff I should just really ignore and put it down to immaturity, sociopathy, tribalism and point and laugh at the fool unwittingly fellating Auld Nick.

   DSB, I think you're right, that the level of scrutiny seems to have turned up the heat with respect to blogs vs magazines. I.e. - there was a level of enthusiasm in most magazines which is matched by a level of cynicism ( justified? Maybe. ) in today's websites.

   As for communities, I have a nice little retreat with some good friends for whom online gaming, and just gaming in general has become our pub, because we're all of that age. Where family life takes precedence over All Other Things.

   I guess what gets my goat most, is the sheer number of people who are blindly willing to be an unpaid corporate soldier, without realising it. And that goes for any fanboy for any platform, or even any title/genre ( see CoD vs BF ). In fact the level of granularity to which you can delve down into the fanboy strata is utterly bewildering to me.

   So yeah, I'm ranted out. Catharsis complete ( without playing an FPS of any sort ). Also my blinding hangover has subsided, so I can deal with it now. :D

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. Lloytron
   Member

   When there are multiple options available, there will always be camps that favour one side over another. Which football team do you support?

   The difference is that the internet gives people a greater voice, and we generally listen more to other consumers.

   Personally I don't give a toss what anyone thinks

   Posted 1 year ago #

10. ejams
    Member

    I too have an issue with all of this ever-lasting "fanboyism" and the great console war. A great deal of people just stick up for their favourite console because it was their first in this generation, and the one they invested in taking a leap to from the previous generation. Me personally, I got my PS3 first, and it was love at first grasp of the controller. To me, it delivers everything I want in a console, yet all my friends love their Xbox's and repeatedly try to get me to shift over to it. Maybe that's the cause of all of this malevolent behaviour, the fact that people are constantly trying to tell you that their machine is better.

    The PC is something I won't ever fully understand until I have my beastly, multi-thousand dollar machine, but I can understand why PC gamers are one of the more "angry" communities. They seem to be left in the dust a lot lately, one of the more recent and most popular issues being Crysis 2. I loved it and thought it's graphics on the PS3 were some of the best I've seen to date on the console, yet all of the PC people were complaining about no DX11 and the fact that it was a consolized port and looked significantly worse than the original. If I was paying that much dough for a god of a machine, I too would be enraged with the fact that games aren't pushing the boundries or even reaching them when it comes to PC.

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. Christopher Jack
    Member

    Lloyton has a great point, sports is the greatest comparison to fanboyism you can find & there's no real reason for it.
    It's natural to be competitive, even if it's not really you who's competing.

    Posted 1 year ago #

12. Noodlemanny
    Member

    Umm... LLoyds isn't that approach 'I don't give a toss what anyone thinks' part of the problem. Or was that what you were saying. :-0

    Posted 1 year ago #

13. DSB
    Member

    @BraveArse, I think it's kinda hard to judge things like cynicism today compared to the way it was in the 90's. Games have always been a business, but I don't think it has been quite as glaring as it is today.

    Obviously people feel very strongly about the corporations that produce most of the games, and that's one thing I don't remember very well from the 90's. I remember it being a lot more about the developer, and the guys behind the games. I didn't care about a name on the box like Eidos, but I was very much aware of Ion Storm and Warren Spector.

    Probably that unavoidable feeling that you're looking at an industry, which is a dead, unfeeling thing in itself, inspires some level of cynicism.

    And while gamers are as much responsible for that view as the corporations, those corporations are really pushing to squeeze out every last penny these days, with measures that are all about the bottomline, and never really about the games. That certainly makes me jade a little bit as a long time gamer.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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15. BaseAllstar
    Member

    I was once guilty of fanboyism but it wasn't borne of a blind love of a certain company or console, mine came about due to fear. Having been dumped so unceremoniously by Sega in regards to the Dreamcast, when I ended up on board with Microsoft and the Xbox I'd back it up and defend it constantly, often while mocking the opposition purely due to the fear that another console I was falling in love with would also die a premature death under the weight of Sony and the Playstation2. Thankfully I've now learnt to enjoy what all three machines can offer.

    Oh and I really miss Gamesmaster from the old days :)

    Posted 1 year ago #

16. snollys
    Member

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    Posted 1 year ago #

17. KAP
    Member

    I think cynicism, fanboyism and any other kind of "ism" was around as strong as it is today, we were all just too young to either take note or remember back in the early 90s.

    I mean i was born in the 1980 and my first memory with gaming was playing for the fun of it and experiencing something special that not many others will also experience.

    20+ years on and its all about what i can get out of gaming now, its still fun i guess but im alot more critical on the stuff i play now.
    I wont play games without achievements.
    I wont play COD online for more then rank 10 or 20 even though it seems fun.
    I dont ever play Wii or have any intention too.
    I dont fork money out on other genres of games apart from the ones i know and love.

    All of these things had no bearing when i was younger.. its really sad.

    Posted 1 year ago #

18. daytripper
    Member

    i don't miss it at all, it was once amusing but it got very tedious.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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