I'm just starting to do a lot of research on this, and I thought the best place to start would be on my favorite gaming site.
Some people say the LED tech is so new that you're sometimes better off getting a bigger LCD with better specs, at a cheaper cost. I am looking to go 40" or bigger, and I am interested in leaving 3D open as an option.
Thanks in advance to any replies! :)
I would stay away from LED for now and make your choice between LCD and Plasma(LCD).
I have a 55" plasma right now and its nice but i did have a smaller LCD and that sucker was nice too. Let me explain
Plasma has a higher range of black levels than LCD and about equal to LED which means that you get richer and deeper colors and a wider range of shadows than you would with a LCD...but this comes at a Price. With plasma, it is charged with an electric plasma gas/particles and if you sit close enough to the screen, these little plasma particles can appear as moving pixels. Also with Plasma you have the chance with burn-in. Newer plasmas have less problems with burn in than older models but the chances are still there. Still images can burn into the screen and once they are completely burned in, they are there for good. Games have health bars, meters, icons, and logos that stay static and that can be a big problem for burn-in. Also the consoles media center/XMB/etc have static images at all times and these can cause burn-in problems.
LCD doesnt have the burn-in problem. LCD's black level is not as good as plasma or LED but they are too far off. LCD is the better option for closer viewing as it doesnt have the plasma particle issue. Also LCDs have a longer life span than plasmas. But the best part for a gamer is that it doesnt have burn-in. You can let the image stand still for hours and you wont have a problem with any burned in icons and life meters.
Honestly, i prefered the clarity of my LCD but it was a 40" and i wanted a bigger one and my buddy wanted a smaller one so we traded and now i have a newer 55" plasma.
Plasma Cons
-Burn-in
-visible Plasma Particles
-Heavy
-Thick
Plasma Pro
- High black levels
- Rich color
- High Contrast
- Vivacity
- Wide viewing ranfe
LCD Con
- low black levels
LCD Pro
- No Burn In
- Long Life Span
- Clarity (no plasma particles)
- High contrast ratios available
- Super Thin models available
- Good color balance
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What most people don't know is that LED is still LCD but the with LED lights that provide the colors for the display. When you see LED-LCD its the best TV on the market....FUCK Plasma unless you can find that Pioneer Elite 1080P (first 1080P plasma tv) one which had a price tag of $10,000 when it first came out. Most Plasmas can't do 1080P. LED-LCD is where you want to go.
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if your not on a budget...go for the TV TEA has linked.
If you are on a budget, LEDs are over priced for now.
TEA
Most plasmas do 1080p now just like LCDs
My 55" Plasma is 1080p 120hz and you can get it brand new for around $800
But if you're going for a proper 3DTV 240hz and LED-LCD is the best way to go imo. I bought my PS3 to the best buy and made them let me hook it up to all the TVs I was interested in and the SONY TV I linked above was the best for 3D. If you're going for 3D you have to get this one. Or try the 46" its $500 cheaper. Also don't forget with this tv you have to buy the glasses and 3D emitter separately.
Glasses run you $200 each + tax, 3D emitter $50. You might as well get the starter kit for $400 which comes with 2 pair of glasses,Official SONY HDMI cable,emitter, and copy of Alice and Wonderland on 3D Blu Ray.
Anyone who tells you to stay away from LED due to it being new technology should be dismissed imediately as not being very tv savy so ignore those comments right off the bat. You should start off by addressing your needs first, then we can help you make a more informed desicion. Why not start off by stating things like your prefered console, size desired, more then just for games, lighting environment, average usage, etc.
Spider if your plasma is 120hz... you paid more for an unnecessary marketing ploy
Excuse me but ive worked in the tech industry since i was 16 (10yrs now), My dad has been in the tech industry since before i was born, and TVs and Computers have always been my forte and for you to make a comment to me about "marketing ploy" is laughable. And if you are trying to tell people there isnt any difference with 120hz, then you are not very smart or havent ever used the tech. 120hz is basic and standard now for one so there isnt any mark ups on it. Secondly there is a huge clarity difference with simple 120hz (yes, it was a small unnecessary step when they could have easily brought out 240hz initially). If you were "TV Savy" like you claim to be, you would know there is a difference.
And if you read my whole comment, i didnt buy it, i traded my smaller LCD for it. Yes, telling people to stay away from LED because it is new technology should be dismissed but not those that say to stay away for the right reasons.
LED costs extra, and it they usually mark it up for more than what its worth. LEDs difference is not enough to charge $800-$1000 more for. It isnt. But if you can find an LED TV for only $200-$300 more than the same spec TV that is LCD or plasma then yes, go right ahead and buy it.
To sum it up.
Know what you are buying the price you are paying.
If you see an LCD, Plasma and LED TV all 55" 240hz, 3D, 1080p for the same price, buy the LED.
If you see an LCD, Plasma, LED TV all 55" 240hz, 3D, 1080p
LCD- $1,100, Plasma - $1,250, LED - $2,000
Go with the $1,100 LCD... If that LED TV was a true 'O'LED TV then the $2,000 would justify the pruchase over the other 2.
DeathJynx is right though. You should involve more than just game playing cuz im sure you will be using it for much more than just Gaming.
Thanks everyone. I had a longer reply, but I got an error when I submitted it, so I'll simply say thank you again! :)
120hz+ is a feature implemented into LCD's to conteract a flaw in LCD's. It is where the tv adds frames that dont exsist in the actual media you are viewing to make the appreance seem smoother or more fluid. plasma doesnt have those flaws making 120hz completey unfunctional or impractable for a plasma. The only reason plasma implemented 120 is so LCD couldn't claim a functionality plasmas didnt have. So although 120 doesnt really make a plasma better or worse, it can be considered a non essential marketing ploy to either sell, or charge more for a tv and should not be use as a point to buy, correct? I wasn't insulting you, merely being blunt. Dr. please share some more info for application. I dont feel anyone has really made any practicle suggestion for you yet.
most plasmas boast 600hz on their label any how. just a side note.
You are correct sir. But that doesn’t change why i mentioned it.
It isn’t at extra cost. But it is a feature that LCDs have. And like you said its inclusion in Plasmas titles/feature set is for the purpose for removing any type of "lack" in the minds of consumers. Plus its debatable whether it would be nonfunctional or not but impractical, yes, especially if it marks the price up. But I was speaking price wise from the beginning. My initial comment was based on whether Ghetto was on a budget or not.
Again. LED isn’t worth the price unless you can really get comparable pricing with similar LCD and Plasma models.
I recently have put tech work aside to pursue concept art but Tech will always be apart of my DNA.
600hz is exactly why i recommend Plasmas. Crisp and affordable picture.
but for strictly gaming, LCD is my favorite.
I was just making note, you said I was wrong when I wasn't. For movies in 24p... plasma all day, everything else I vote LCD. I just want to mention your pros and con should be revised as super thin LCD's are edge lit LEDs, other wise no noticeable gain. Also i think plasmas White levels tend to look yellow washed to me in a side by side comparison with two sets about a year old. Which nullifies any black level advatage it may have had. And with 2 mid range models picture quality difference is less apparent. Plus Dr. you need to consider off angle viewing and room brightness. if it is a small well lit room why not consider a computer monitor. Their are lots of things to consider still. My personal recommendation based on lastest reviews and lack of application would be a new vizio 240Hz LCD LED 3D tv. It is great for the price and gives you lots of numbers and letters to brag to your friends about.
Oh! power consumption was the biggest thing I wanted to bring up ha ha *damn 120* but a good size plasma can heat a room. Which hurts the longevity of the tv and your wallet.
@DeathJynx
Well primarily videogames as mentioned, but also regular TV viewing and ofcourse movies. That's about all there is really..
I'm def interested in 3D (PS3/X360 owner) so will probably make THAT my #1 filter, must have 3D. I want big (40" +) as originally mentioned, but 60" is TOO big, so I'd say 40"-50" is about the sweet spot.
Small living room, JUST enough room for MOVE, and NOT enough room for Kinect, if that helps at all.
I currently have a Sony Bravia 26" LCD 1080i/720p 120Hz refresh (I get a log of ghosting) so anything will be a decent upgrade.
I really appreciate all of your feedback.
You too SpiderLaw and TEA!! :)
Do you have a budget in mind? Keep in mind, if your not going top dollar you might wanna try to spend your money on a good 42 rather then decent 47 or so. Just for the fact of the size room you have. Big is great, but not if you can't afford the best and you just end up with a lousy picture because you're close enough to see the pixels and too close to enjoy the 3D. Also with LCD's having mediocre off angle viewing, you'll wanna get as much picture in the "sweet spot as possible. So now I think we have a little more to go with. 42 inch LCD 3D capable with good contrast ratio. Try to get a reasonable budget and we can start looking @ some actual TVs!
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lol, 120 hz plasma!
I say you can't go wrong with whatever you choose, really. Image quality is primarily subjective. Find a price point and stick with it and get what you think looks the best.
I've had similar doubts concerning what type of TV would be most suitable for gaming.
Having gone through myriad forum threads on the subject, I can't say I've found a definitive answer. Some folks recommend LCD/LED's, some Plasmas. Though I have found a slight majority who favour the plasmas - The V and G series Panasonic's are particularly recommended.
All the tv types have improved significantly over the years i.e. New plasmas will very rarely suffer image retention issues and are more power-efficient, they also last longer. At the same time, new LCD's boast improved image sharpness, wider viewing angles and deeper blacks, although not yet quite at the same level of Plasmas.
Another thing to remember is the plasma tech generally allows for a faster refresh rate which suits fast moving images.
At the end of the day, like Keivz points out, you can't really go wrong with any of the three. Do remember though, for LCD/LED's look at a Sony,Samsung or LG, for Plasmas just stick with a Panny.
Also, if you go for an LED, make sure it's not edge-lit. Those tv's may be ultra-thin but the image quality will suffer.
I've heard much here about refresh rate (120 hz, etc), but something crucial to gamers is the input lag. Here are some definitions worth noting:
- Refresh rate: if measured in hertzs, the number of times the whole screen can be painted in one second.
- Response time: the time it takes for a pixel in the screen to be set to off and on again. It may cause the "ghosting effect": you tell the pixel to refresh at the related refresh rate, but it has not yet be set completely to off/on, so it can not keep up with the refresh rate. Most of the times it is 2ms/4ms/8ms. With 4ms and lower should be more than enough.
- Input lag / latency: this is imho the crucial element for a gamer. It is the time it takes for the video signal as it appears on the input connector (say HDMI) to be displayed on the screen. Things like scaling and other picture enhacement features impose a processing on the video signal that may be responsible for this lag.
Problem is that input lag does not usually appears on the specs. I bought a 52" LED Philips 1 year ago, and even though the image quality is impressive, it has 200Hz refresh rate and 2ms response time, I experience a lot of input lag (for instance when playing Burnout Paradise and other games where speed is crucial). I haven't on the other side experienced such delay on a 46" Sony Bravia TV from a friend of mine, bought 3-4 years ago.
I hope the above helps a bit, good luck with your new TV :)
You're best off with a 32" LCD if it's in your bedroom, I tend to find anything larger than 40" distracting because I notice less PPI(Pixels per inch) but if you're in the lounge room sitting at a distance you shouldn't notice it.
LCDs are just better overall quality than Plasmas (also burning images don't exist with LCD), LED is a type of backlighting but you may notice a gray colour when you're viewing something that's black.
The manufacturer is the most important part, don't get any weird Chinese brand & I would personally advise against LG, their image quality is fairly high but they have a very low build quality, you're best of with anything Sony & Samsung, if you're after a Plasma get a Panasonic.
PLASMA: if you want a > 42" screen with the best picture quality in a dark room.
LCD: if you want a < 42" screen with a good picture quality in a well lit room.
LED (LCD): if you want something cool to show to your friends.
SONY LED: if you want something cool to show to your Sony-addicted friends.
WHAT YOU ALREADY WANT: if you already want something and you are just looking for someone that tells you what you want to hear.
I'm not joking, this is the single most important thing to consider, your brain can make you see whatever it (you) wants.
IMO you can't beat the backlit LED screens. They blow Plasma displays away in terms of clarity, and make some LCD's look pretty shabby too.
And when the new TV tech arrives, all other tech becomes cheaper.
I'd go LCD, without a doubt. Unless you have pockets deep enough for an amazing backlit LED.
^I think what you mean to say is LED-backlit LCD's.
"LEDs" per se, aren't exactly a new tv tech.
Also, Audio Radar pretty much speaks the truth there.
Yea I was going to correct him on that too Mathare92. My 55" Bravia is a LCD but has backlit LEDs. All LED tvs are LCD people. And no Audio Radar you don't get a SONY LED just to brag to SONY addicts you get a SONY LED cause you're the king of your castle and every king should come home to his castle after a long day of hard work sit down and rest in front of the two most beautiful things in the world.....his PS3 and SONY Bravia 3DTV.....and occasionally the third most beautiful thing will walk by the 1st and 2nd (preferably in a french maid get up with high heels) on her way to the kitchen to fetch his supper :D
No argument from me there. My post was a little wonky.
You nearly make it sound as though they're the same thing though TEA (I'm sure that's not your intention).
IMO (and with gaming / bluray / dvd in mind) they're worth every extra penny.
Just wait for OLED
or the next 2160p (sharp already has a prototype from what i know)
P.S.
Aleph and Audio Radar are both pretty helpful. Read their responses.
@DEACON
Yeah. LEDs are nice. It just depends on the person really. If its important enough for them, they will dish out the extra bones. For me, raising a family, providing for my daughter, and other responsibilities come first so TV is a luxury. I see it as "If i spend $800 less on this TV i can use the $800 to put in my daughter's college fund, or take the family on a trip to vegas, or add it to the vacation to Hawaii savings"
If i had no such responsibilities, i would dish out the extra dough for the LED.
What i saying is, Dr., do you have a friggin budget!?
ive got a sammy 8000 led 3d and to all the sony lovers out there,im afraid the samsung has it beat in all aspects,i had enough to buy any model or make and the samsung won hands down in all areas.
@ SpiderLAW
You appear to be one of the those people in this world who actually has their priorities right. I find this commendable. Have yourself a cookie.
And yeah, if OP had listed his maximum budget then we could have enjoyed a massive link-fest-top-trumps-digital-display-smackdown! Gosh that would've been exciting.
You've got me wondering Ninjanutta...... Are there many people here who have gone out and bought a 3D TV ??
I'd like to know how much use they've got out of the 3D aspect, and if they stand by their purchase a month or two down the line?
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