than you might NOT want to see this
Having problems with that MGS Girl?(36 posts)
than you might NOT want to see this
lol, hahahaha! xD
Pre order confirmed!
I would say that its the folks that have no problem with it that need to see that, not the other way around.
@az haha yeah well.. I guess than that this image has a broader appeal than Quiet.
I've seen worse on pixiv. The Metal Gear series tags are almost all yaoi on there. Just like how almost all fanfiction of the series is yaoi as well.
But I agree with absolutezero. It does more to suggest what Quiet wears is ludicrous and inappropriate than anything else. Reminds me of this: http://kevinbolk.tumblr.com/post/13332046686/as-promised-heres-the-avengers-parody-namely-of
I will just post this here-
@dragon ..yea I saw that.. she must have a really daaark and emotional and personal reason ...am sure he can cook up a great reason. just like he can cook up a great reason to make his dudes dress up like the pic i posted. just cause he can give some stupid-ass reason to it which we all know is going to be highly philosophical and profound, atleast on the surface..
I just beat Saints Row IV. That image in the first post would fit right in :)
Actually, I rather like that about Saints Row 3 & 4. There's no problem playing either gender. Cross dressing. 'Romancing' men, women (and.. others). It's a brazenly gratiutious game but at least it's willing to demean all genders rather than favouring one over another.
One thing that I thought is maybe Quite has the ability to use a camo system like The End in MGS3, where his camouflage vanishes and reappears at his will. Take a look at this video and you'll get the idea.
But aside from that, MGSV is also featuring child soldiers and genocide, but what more appropriate matter to bitch about other than some virtual boobs and cleavage.
@CyberMarco: Because nobody expects Kojima to be condoning child soldiers and genocide because you'd have to be fucking insane to do that, and there isn't a long-standing and rampant precedent in the video game industry of child soldiers and genocide depicted and treated poorly and disrespectfully.
Female characters, on the other hand, have a well-known history even among non-gamers of treating women like damsels in distress and sex objects, and doing it for the gratification of a male audience. It would be like showing gratuitous mass-executions of defenseless civilians sobbing and wailing in agony because it's a big sexual turn on for the audience.
Now I'm not saying genocide and showing some skin are equally as bad when done tastelessly, I'm just presenting the concepts you pointed out in a way that comes closer to reflecting what's wrong with Quiet's attire. Saying "the game has child soldiers and genocide, why aren't you complaining about that" is to completely miss the issue. They're serious topics, but they're not the same.
Child soldiers and genocide = Not political
Tits and ass = Political
Grow. The fuck. Up.
why would anyone "complain" about child soldiers? or genocide? (every other game has genocide these days btw) ..IMO it's a great idea to bring up these topics in a medium like video games, which is mostly just tits and ass and guns and explosions.
But it's not a great idea to just throw in a half naked female character, and than work your ass off to justify the way she dresses. THAT is whay I don't like this idea.
but that's just me..
@Salarta, I know what you mean and I wasn't implying that genocide and sexualized boobs are of the same clash!
Funny thing is that if this happened in a movie no one would bat an eyelid.
@DSB I didn't get what you mean.
@CyberMarco: Okay, glad that wasn't your intent.
As for movies, yes they would bat an eyelid, depending on multiple factors.
Films don't have as bad of a reputation of treating women as mere sex objects compared to video games. However, even within that, a film needs to be a HUGE deal with the box office, heavily promoted, to have any such scandal take to a critical mass. Films that have women running around in bikinis or similar garments also typically have a good reason for it, and if they don't, the wearing of bikinis isn't something ludicrously and insultingly impractical.
Films in the horror and action genres USED to be able to get away with gratuitous showing of female bodies for pure titillation. I capitalize used because two incidents I know of over the past several years illustrate how this is no longer the case.
The first: the Alice Eve scene in the latest Star Trek film. She's down to her bra and panties in one scene, and this caused a HUGE uproar on the basis that it was unnecessary and it was perceived as demeaning the character she was playing, Dr. Carol Marcus. The character is known for being an intelligent scientist, ergo having her show off her body like that was taken as reducing her value to her sex appeal or suggesting that appeal is more important than her actual abilities or intelligence.
The second: while there are several horror films lately that get attacked for this sort of thing, one in particular, P2, has received some disdain in spite of being relatively unknown. The main character starts off wearing regular business clothes, but when the action really starts up, she spends the whole movie wearing a white dress that goes out of its way to show off Rachel Nichols' cleavage. This got complaints. One in particular that I saw online was a whole article devoted explicitly to how Rachel Nichols' boobs almost ruined a feature film. Basically saying the overemphasis on her boobs undercut any tension and character interaction.
So yeah, saying "this wouldn't get complaints if it happened in a movie" isn't accurate. We've had instances that prove they would definitely get complaints if it looks entirely inappropriate to the situation and appears to undermine the actual product purely for sex appeal.
@salarta, I see you points and I agree with that.
"a film needs to be a HUGE deal with the box office, heavily promoted, to have any such scandal take to a critical mass."
You mean that if a film has a particular scandal scene but it doesn't reach the mass audience with ease is less prone to be criticized? So if Kojima hadn't posted Quiet's pic on his twitter account but on a god-forsaken blog there would be less uproar?
I haven't watched those 2 movies you mentioned so I can't dig in, but for as many movies that get criticized for various reasons, there is an equal number of films that no one gives a crap because that's the "nature" of the film.
e.g. Spring Breakers. All those stereotypical situations, sex-drugs-and rock n roll! What a great way to pass any decent message to your audience. Anyhow I know this is a crappy movie.
What I want to say is that more or less some people are acting like they have an agenda, we are ignoring all the wrongs in our modern civilizations and cater to bother on the secondary stuff. I'm not saying that (over)sexualizing womens for the sake of it isn't a big problem but it would be better to focus on the things that made us reach this point.
I hope you got what I mean.
@CyberMarco Entertainment is gratuitous. It has always been gratuitous. Sex, violence, drama. That's Shakespeare, son.
It's ridiculous and immature to forcefully turn that into a political statement, simply because someone indulges in tits instead of indulging in wholesale murder, or dropping white phosphorous on people.
It's just reeks of some childlike fear and awe of sexuality, when people launch into these pathetic, pointless defences of "women" - Without ever realizing what a raging sexist that makes them, for believing that women would somehow be a uniform group that shares traits and values, defaulting to being offended whenever their sexuality is on display. They. Are. Not.
... And the fact that women are mostly absent from those discussions says A LOT.
It's just a mindless kneejerk reaction from people who probably just need to get over their mommy issues, and stop drinking the fascisto-feminist kool aid. Ride on, white knights!
One of my major problems when things like this explode is just how far away it all gets from the source after about 5 minutes.
Quiet's character design is stupid and kinda ugly and theres no real way around that.
Lets say that even if she does have octo-camo for skin, why fishnets? Why something so obvious? If shes been stripped due to the torture sequence why wear a bikini under her supposed fatigues?
Nah, Kojima's first tweet stream about the design said everything he needs to say about it, I imagine Shinkawa came up with alot of different designs and this one made it through for whatever reason.
Just the webbing over the tights urgh.
I'll admit, the tights are pretty odd. Maybe she wants to feel pretty?
I mean, why does Rambo wear the red bandana? Why doesn't his shirt fit right?
Those are questions you can ask, but that doesn't always mean you should.
Sextrimist Femenists would have this to say to the whole argument:
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@absolutezero So he's wearing it because Dan Forest? Asked and answered! But my point was that I'm really not sure I ever needed to know. It's Rambo, he wears a headband. That's what he does. I'll roll with that. He obviously likes to show his pecs when he's decimating third world countries. I can totally live with that.
I really do think it's a bit like trying to pick at a CoD game. There's no way a rational person could ever take it seriously, so why on earth would you?
Surely, the people who worship the original Tomb Raider would be thrilled to see another outrageously clad woman ready to kick some ass. But now apparently this one is the wrong kind of gratuitous.
It's that complete lack of consistency and just the sheer angst of the predominantly male, pseudo-feminist hivemind that makes me want to tear my hair out.
DSB, now I know what they mean about loving a person for their mind.
Thanks for showing us all the way, and making vg247 a brighter more sensible place.. Okay, not really that's impossible, but you deserve an award for trying man.
@WildBoar He's what Al Swearengen was to Deadwood around here, the influential voice of reason while everyone else were impulsive fucks. So completely agree with what you said.
DSB wins this thread and all you others should be ashamed.
You guys... <3 <3 <3
I see what absolutezero is saying though, it's completely insane to have a female wearing webbing and tights in a string bikini. I don't see that as an off-topic political jab, that's just having a problem with the fact that it's ridiculous.
But to me that's pretty much in line with Metal Gear Solid. I think I've only ever played the first one to completion, but it was batshit insane, and I really don't see how a sniper in bikini and tights would damage the series.
This is a series where you hide under a cardboard box to trick special forces into thinking you're not there.
So at least to me, Metal Gear Solid is the kind of game where it helps not to ask too many questions, and just go with it.
I will repeaaaaat again, people cant apparently watch some skin, yet they gleefully murder each other in games. Accept both or reject both.
Its VIDYA GAMES DARNIT! Its F.I.C.T.I.O.N. Does anyone like Rambo exist in real life?
The Finnish (?) guy would be who Rambo wishes he could be.
Why on earth would someone have anything against Quiet--especially when the girl who plays yer is so damn hot? I don't mind tranny Snake either. I'd be great to see him wear this in the game!
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