Pretty enlightening tbh.
Nintendo: a must read article.(57 posts)
Cant really type right now but good read indeed and i absolutely agree with the article. I personally respect nintendo a lot for staying true to themselves. Especially in this business. They definitely could walk an easier way but they choose not to. I like that attitude.
Ps...but i am only romanticising again right...
When you focus on ideals and fantasy at the expense of reality, yes. Yes you are.
You are the worse type of righteous arsehole there is.
Oh Monkeygourmet. It's just my 'subtle and complex' 'act'. And, besides, you don't let other people on the internet get to you. Right?
Words from yourself just over 24 hours ago - to excuse a self-confessed troll's behaviour. Yet here you are, showing just how hollow your claims are and giving yourself your usual licence to be rude and insulting whenever it suits you.
You weren't even addressed directly. Stay classy.
Oh, and yes, I'm sure the usual cabal of back-slapping allies will support you regardless of the poor behaviour and double-standards you exhibit. It's the same transparant, predictable act. Every. Single. Time.
What a clever boy...
The tough part is, no one would want to spend 5 seconds in a room with you if you display your online characteristics IRL...
I can't even imagine the amount of boredom I'd have to face, listening to you with your head, firmly shoved up your own arse...
I'd rather sit in a pub with Francis, fiery, but without all the bullshit pretence...
Great response. When you're shown up to exhibit the transparent double-standards and poor behaviour that you like to pretend you're above, you just decide to make yourself look even worse by concocting further character slurs.
"Bullshit pretence" indeed. I really don't think you'll want to be pointing out 'backstabbing behaviour' or 'snake in grass tactics' you percieve in others after your antics.
Right JM, we get all of that. Have for awhile. But what did you think of the article?
You are now in a thread that has NOTHING to do with you, apart from your pursuing of Poly (originally) and myself (after i addressed you)...
What's that about? Have you edited btw?
Climb, climb that pedestal...
pursuing of.. ..and myself (after i addressed you)...
So I'm pursuing you... ...after you addressed me. I think you'll find that's called a "reply", not "pursuit". And you "addressed" me after... ...Oh! It seems like someone's doing more pursuing than they're choosing to admit. What a convenient thing to overlook when pointing fingers at others! What very carefully chosen, emotively charged words, to use in your off-kilter accusations!
Oh, I can see this manipulation of events coming from you a mile away. Please monkeygourmet, it's probably best that you stop now rather than make yourself look increasingly bad. The damage has been done.
One point that really resonated with me: "The notion of rushing out a Mario game to support the launch of a console is largely alien to Nintendo, for whom a failed console launch is better than a failed Mario game, in the long term."
So very true. It's almost as if Nintendo is too busy crafting games to concern itself with such "trivialities" as hardware launches and competitors. That's...fine, I guess, as far as maintaining a high degree of quality, but come November/December of this year, in reality, people will be standing in front of display cases containing the 3 consoles side-by-side, so I hope Nintendo...adapts accordingly.
That was a rather great read. Awesome find OG.
I just had one problem with it, regarding the fact that Nintendo doesn't want to rush Marios for sake of console. They don't generally and in context of Nintendo's lifetime, that is true.
However, they DID the exact opposite of that with Wii U. They rushed a New Super Mario Bros clone for launch and are already rushing a semi-sequel to 3DS Mario as the main Mario game. This is pretty much what they did with Mario Clash (For VB). That system needed a Mario but since there wasn't enough time, they just used the old arcade game with a new perspective and called it a day.
I love it!
You're holier than though attitude is so fucked up.
You use exactly the same bullshit tactics as anyone does when trying to squirm you're way out of something.
You entered in the thread to pull Poly up on something, nothing more, nothing less.
Now, if you guys were more friendly too each other or you had some history together, I would have dismissed that as a playful jibe. But we all know thats not the case...
It was a snipey comment, intended to rile without adding anything to the topic.
Now, generally, I have no problem with that, but coming from someone like you it is a huge double standard. As OG said the other day, 'how is that glass house going?'
You had every oppertunity to read the article and comment based on that, even I managed that in you're Bayonetta 2 piece, I stayed on topic.
Nothing wrong with showing some passion on a vg page imo joe. I am here because i love games and i am not ashamed to admit it. If you want zero emotions keep talking to your computer but dont connect it to the internet please.
I am out. No fun watching just another ninty thread getting raped.
It is sad.
I guess people here now realize that Ninty indeed a toy company.
Although for a toy company to have only 1 successful toy in the market is pretty dangerous, they should start new lineups, lest they are left with nothing, if by any chance that toy doesn't sell well.
Also, Ninty has enough money to last a few years, they just cant compete with Big 2.
They are more in line with Acti than with Big 2.
@ The_Red - I don't think Nintendo is rushing Mario games on the U. Though I haven't had a chance to play it, by many accounts, NSMBU is the best 2D Mario since Super Mario World on the SNES. They were riding the retro momentum wave they created with NSMB on the Wii & (3)DS to try and appeal to the widest audience possible.
As for Super Mario 3D World, yeah, it looks heavily inspired by 3D Land, but they seem to really believe in trying something new as far as pushing the multiplayer Mario aspect. Time will tell how that turns out for them, but it should at the very least be a fun and polished game.
Anyway, I wouldn`t consider either game "rushed". Less work to develop than a full-fledged 3D Mario game? Most definitely. Safe? Yes. Disappointing? Maybe. But I don't think the U has seen its "main Mario game" yet. Not this year. Probably not even next year. But some day.
Nintendo always uses Mario to showcase just what is capable on their current console, and the U is no doubt capable of far more than a 2D rehash & a 2.5D experiment. It will just take time.
EDIT: The less said about the Virtual Boy, the better. It was a complete and total failure. I'm not even sure what Mario Clash is.
What a great article, and completly describes the way I view Nintendo as a company.
The fact that Nintendo has a 'toy maker' attitude helps to set it out from the other companies who are arguably also making 'toys', but trying to hide it.
IMO Sony's PS1 is a great example of hiding the fact their console was a toy from the public. It's whole marketing drive was trying to make the PS1 look like the adults choice. Many people bought into that over Nintendo's 'toys'.
It's all guff though, maybe now there is more seperation as the 'media boxes' have spread their wings, but when it boils down to it, we are all playing on 'toys'.
I like the fact that Nintendo don't try to hide that fact, for better or worse.
Oh Monkey. Every time you get shown up you try another angle of attack. Then get shown up. So you try another angle of attack. Then get shown up. And so on ad nauseum. You pretend like every failed, childish, short-sighted attempt never existed and that you're whiter than white. What a ridiculous and pathetic game you play.
Your attempt to manipulate this (absolving your own actions and the actions of your chums, of course) is as transparent as all your other attempts to manipulate and control aspects of a discussion that don't fit your blatantly obvious agenda. You seem to think that because the same 4 or 5 equally narrow-minded people always back you up that you're somehow a majority too!
You point out your dislike at stealthy or backstabbing antics but few practice them as consistently as you choose to. This topic is evidence of all of that. Letting that pretence at decency slip away to show your true colours.
Replying to someone's leading statement isn't a crime. You, me and poly (and I suspect many others) know his 'romanticism' comment was deliberately leading. You can't dare admit it because it puts you and your childish partners into the role of antagonist - but that's where it is.
It'd be fine if you and your cohorts had never reacted to that kind of leading statement yourselves. But you have. Many times. I recall poly overreacting aggressively to such a statement and insisting that the ambiguity posted by someone he clearly takes issue with was, in fact, very specific. Giving himself licence to be rude and abusive. A scenario you involved yourself in and, as always, ignored logic and neutrality and argued in favour of your friends reasonings. Here we have the same situation reversed. Except I've not been remotely rude, abusive or insulting - I simply gave my definition of a term that poly introduced into the discussion. But, now, oh! Now you can't see a deliberately leading comment. No. Not when your chum does it.
What a wonderfully convienient world you live in where anyone who supports your favoured brand can do no wrong and those that don't fit in with your views can be attacked and insulted with your explicit approval and support. Even self-confessed trolls! How convenient that you overlook your prolific behaviour, the dozens - probably hundreds - of examples of your antics that show exactly this mentality.
And the best response you ever can manage is to attempt to manipulate events and call people names?
As for this article, it is, like many of the articles at GamesIndustry.biz, well written and insightful.
However, the opening of the article is completely unnecessary and adds nothing to the rest of it. The self-confessed acknowledgement to overlook the Virtual Boy is the only other mis-step I can see. It is totally valid to the context of the article but the 'lets not talk about that' approach is worryingly apologist.
As for romanticism, fantasy, love, passion, joy, pixies, fairies, unicorns and magic. They have their place. I've never disputed that and those that are trying to insinuate otherwise are liars.
But a Peter Pan does not belong on Wall Street and that's all there is to it.
So we got an off topic argument and a few people contributing to thread, ok then nothing wrong here.
I come back to share my views.
Edit: Ok JM that last paragraph i actually laugh at but come on now.
The site is called GamesIndustry.biz for a reason. I've yet to see any of their articles and industry insights supported with the intangibles of 'passion' or 'magic'. I've a pretty good understanding as to why that might be.
Having a view on a very real-world thing is fine. Substantiating that view with things that have no relevance to that real-world scenario demonstrates a considerable disconnect and appreciation of context. Whether by accident or wilful. Insisting that passion or magic are important to that individual doesn't alter their relevance to the real-world item.
Oh wow. I am the fairytale man now. You are not insulting joe. Sure. How could you. You are a robot.
"Replying to someone's leading statement isn't a crime."
Of course not.
But you were being a 'smart arse'. It is plain for all to see. And that is evident in almost every interaction you have.
It's even apparent as you not only choose a psuedonym, but choose to sign yourself off with it aswell.
Every part of your interaction with people ooze's self righteousness and pomposity.
It's even worse than most because even when you are called on it, and clearly 'bang to right's, you just climb higher up your pedestal.
I pressume, if I hadn't called you on your obvious snipey comment, you were just about to write a thoughtful piece surrounding the article OG posted? That would be convenient...
Or, had you even read the article before you decided to pen your little remark to Poly?
You ignored all this:
"Cant really type right now but good read indeed and i absolutely agree with the article. I personally respect nintendo a lot for staying true to themselves. Especially in this business. They definitely could walk an easier way but they choose not to. I like that attitude."
and instead, decided to directly comment on:
"but i am only romanticising again right..."
"When you focus on ideals and fantasy at the expense of reality, yes. Yes you are"...
But, as you had just read (and ignored his previous paragraph), Poly's idea is clearly NOT fantasy and ideals, and is a view many people share when describing Nintendo's business practice. The fact they find a different way...
The topic is even about that, linking an article that describes these factors.
If Poly had said:
"The Wii U is selling fantastically" or something similar to that, your reply would be more valid.
That doesn't quite have the same impact when you immeadiatly follow it by signing yourself off as an imaginary Ninja from an old sega game...
Look, all it boils down to is this:
On topics like this, an objective viewpoint is required - as demonstrated by the article in the first place. Because it's a big topic and exists in the real world on a global scale.
Those that can't or won't appreciate that and insist on being subjective simply aren't getting it.
Those same people that get annoyed when others won't play along and persist in maintaining objective take on things.
I'm not fond of making the same fallacies and logical mis-steps as those that do that subjective take where it doesn't belong. Subjectivity has its place. It depends on context. But applying it all the time and then getting antsy that others don't follow that bad example.. ..to the point of telling others to "STFU" and "Fuck you" crosses a line.
You don't get to claim the moral high-ground or position yourselves as the victim after that sort of behaviour.
As we can see, Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum are colluding again. Overlooking key events and overlooking their own behaviour to concoct theories and and make jibes based on ad hominem thinking.
How entirely unexpected.
Curious how, after poly claimed "I am out" he seems to make a very rapid return. I guess he doesn't like it when discussions go off topic. Unless he's the one popping in to a discussion to take it in that direction.
I think you need a new mirror, poly.
Can't you guys ever practice what you preach?
What do I preach again? Please tell me, or is that just another one of your 'throw away' sayings?
Wonderful. Straight into the 'if I claim ignorance then that means I'm innocent!' play.
Scroll up, chum. It's in black and white.
And yet you will not apply that logic to yourself?!
Thats pretty fucked up and completly selective.
And completly highlights that fact you put yourself on a pedestal when communicating with others.
In all honestly it is a good read and like JM said their articles are insightful and well detailed. Whether on not Wii U is a success or not depends on Nintendo commitment to it.
Edit: by commitment i mean marketing (ok in the UK i guess), games (covered on a first party side not so much on the third party side), promotions, sales, support (updates and DLC for games if necessary).
You talk about me and make jokes about me. Lol. Sure i come back then. Cant type right now though. You need that mirror much more than me. Keep it and use it.
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