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Started 3 years ago by No_PUDding
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No_PUDding
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I was getting excited for Conviction, so I popped in Chaos Theory.

They are trying to develop a story with the projections and stuff. I think that's very cool. But then I realised, that this departure is completely unecessary.

Splinter Cell is the last franchise that needs that.

The one game where you take time to observe and listen, to people and their conversations, where you have a great cast of characters giving you a parallel narrative from your OPSAT. The same game that often requires you have a conversation with your enemies.

I understand the series needed a reboot, I just think it's the wrong series to turn into a fast-paced action shooter. The story was execellently conveyed before.

Posted 3 years ago #
G1GAHURTZ
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Fast-paced action shooters FTW!

Posted 3 years ago #
David
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They haven't made it into a fast paced action shooter all they have done is make the combat more fluid.

Rather than the level ending when you are caught the game continues. You can then fight or flee till you can get back into cover. Its still a stealth game its just the action side of things has been given a face-lift.

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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David, you apparently didn't play Chaos Theory.

It's not 'over' if you're caught. You hide again, fight your way out or die. It's not oldschool binary stealth.

The game never used to be about combat. It used to be avoid even knocking people out, it was all about sneaking and leaving as little trace as possible.

Sure, becuase people can't be bothered to observe, it might be trial and error for those who are impatient, and the gameyness of some of it, might cause the problems, but it was still superb.

And my problem is JUST as much with the storytelling - becuase it's become a fast paced shooter.

Posted 3 years ago #
David
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Chao's theory in almost all cases if played on the highest difficulty meant death if spotted. In essence end of game. Splinter cell's biggest weak point has always been the combat. I understand what you are saying in regards to being stealthy I just don't see what they have done in the new one as big a deal as you make out.

Whats wrong with improving a side of the game it was weak in ?

I can't comment on the story since I haven't played convictions I wont know how it compares to past titles till I play it.

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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In the same way that many games on highest difficulty are more trial and error? No shit. If you had those criticisms of the game on highest difficulty, then you should have turned it back to the default.

There's something odd about 'improving' (although it's hard to call it that, when every game is a shooter nowadays) something that was pretty much perfect. And the combat is not what Splinter Cell is about anyway.

My point was, not that I mind it being a shooter too much (it looks awesome as a shooter), more that, it being a shooter, dictates the pace of the game, and the departure in storytelling. And I loved Splinter Cell for those elements.

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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By the way, I am not talking about the story itself, I am talking the way in which it is delivered.

Of course we can't talk about the actual story yet.

Posted 3 years ago #
David
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but I'm looking at the footage and it doesn't really look like a shooter. Its a stealth game but with better combat. To me it looks like splinter cell only better and much more fluid.

I guess thats my take on it I honestly think the changes are good. As for the pace of the story all we have seen is some action shots I doubt the whole game is going to be fast paced. I would take a guess that it will be a good mix of faced action and slower paced stealth.

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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It does make sense to show off racey scenes for E3. It's just that up to and including how Sam glides along ledges now it's just become faster. It's like a chnage in ideologies.

Posted 3 years ago #
anasui
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doesn't surprise me. Devs this gen realized people buy lot of action games

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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But people also bought a lot of Splinter Cell.

Why are they fucking with the formula?

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
Member

I think I will pick up a second hand Xbox, for the Xbox version. Or buy the PC version. PC version will be way better looking.

But holy hell it's so great.

I forgot how much I loved it, goign to replay Double Agnt now, to see if I can find anything in it.

Posted 3 years ago #
reask
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I think in all fairness if you want to get the achievements for the game you probably will have to go stealth.
So it is your choice at the end of the day,
The game is looking like it is going to be really good imo.

Posted 3 years ago #
Hunam
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I got double agent on steam and it really tells you fuck all about what to do, I just get lost trying to find my objectives all the time, or wonder why I'm doing what I'm doing. Maybe the Xbox/PS2 version made more sense...

Posted 3 years ago #
No_PUDding
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Apparently Xbox PS2 version was great, but PS3 360 version was FUCK awful.

I am playing it now.

And seriously, all it does is compound my worries about narrative in the new game. Seriously, the stuff in Chaos Theory is shockingly great.

Whiel you worry about the minute social details and contextualities with civilians, allies and enemies, you are gettign multiple stories of the stories backgroudns, political backgrounds and even satirical current affairs.

I love it. I forgot how much. Sure, it's not perfect at all, it's kind of trial error, which is annoying starting from the same point all the time. But it's onyl trial and error if you are worried about your rating at the end of the level.

Posted 3 years ago #

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