The Steam Box
Is Poly's Dream Box
It'll make his dreams come true!
But the problem
The little problem
The Steam Box will be a load of poo
The Steam Box
Is Poly's Dream Box
It'll make his dreams come true!
But the problem
The little problem
The Steam Box will be a load of poo
and then i wake up and it´s poo made of gold
I think you are asking for something that doesn't and can't exist. At least not for a while still.
I also think, that like a lot of gamers it is a case of two consoles. One that we are used to and expect while the second console is the reality of the future of gaming. I mean to say that Consoles and PCs are going to merge. Steambox? Maybe. An Apple console? Maybe. A tablet that plugs into your HDTV and uses a blutooth control pad? Maybe. An offline box that focuses on single player disc based games? No, sorry.
The industry is in transition. It is hard to nail down what will happen. I don't even know what I want anymore, tbh. I know formerly dedicate console players that now game exclusively on PC(almost no one at my local Gamestop plays on or has preordered consoles). I know former core gamers that now only play mobile. MS loyalist that now own Sony systems. Once console only gamers, playing on 3DS.
In short gaming isn't what it used to be. And we are not who we used to be. Tech changes the way we do things and look at things. For example I hardly ever go to said Gamestop anymore, and I almost never browse games at Walmart or any other store. I just don't need to. I find out all of the info I need online. And I buy most of my games digital. Indie games have replaced trip A games as my go to gaming. I just think that they way we sometimes still think of gaming is like it was on Snes or PS2. The games are different. The focus is different. The delivery is different. And, I think, in some small way our conection to the games is different. Ijust don't give a damn anymore when it comes to most things gaming. I like what I like, and I play that. I no longer feel part of some larger collective, where playing the cool shit matters. Like a lot of my friends, I play stuff most people have never heard of.
In that way games have become like music, so diversified that we don't all rush down to the store and buy the same album/tape/cd. We all have our own playlists on our various MP3 devices. Each of us somewhat unique.
So jump back over to consoles.
Some people feel lost. I know a lot of folks like Poly. They look around at what they have and feel "Meh". They look at what is being offered and it is more of the same. Out of love with gaming? No. Just longing to feel connected to it and feel passionate about it. I remember the first time I played SSX on PS2, it was a mind blowing experience. The first time I beat Super Mario Bros completely. Fighting my shadow self in Zelda. Playing Mario 64 for the first time. Completing Halo: Combat Evolved. So many great moments over the history of my gaming. But recently...I have close to 500hrs on Civ V. It is fun, but doesn't wow me. And no one else I know plays it. So it feels like a hallow experience sometimes. I don't feel connected to anything greater then my own isolated experience.
I think, Poly, you are doing what a lot of others have been trying to do...recapture the joy of gaming. The level of enjoyment that drove you to invest your time and money in this hobby to begin with. I am not sure a console either one the market or coming out soon will be that answer.
You have to game for you. To hell with what anyone else says or thinks.
I happen to agree with you on your break down of consoles and companies. I don't like MS, I don't enjoy Sony systems or games, and Nintendo is a side console at best. Handhelds are a great addition and distraction, but like a snack, they don't satisfy(feels like something is missing(like a big screen lol).
My personal solution, because I crossed this bridge a couple of years ago. I play on PC. And I am sticking with stuff I already own(XB360 and PS3). I bought a WiiU, enjoy it, but it further drives home what I am saying here. At least for me, everyone could be different. I just bought for 200usd a 28inch moniter(2ms response time!) for my office. In my office I have my PC and XB360. I have PSN+, can see the value, but don't hardly turn the thing on(can't explain it). So my PS3 stays in my living room for its BluRays and Netflix. My WiiU is my Netflix player in my bedroom. This works for me. The monitor is fantastic, big enough I can sit my comfy char and still get that big screen feel.
I feel I have all of my bases covered. Nothing on either X1 or PS4 speaks to me that isn't also going to be on something I already own. When that changes and maybe the prices come down, I will buy one. I don't NEED one at this point.
Only other piece of advice I can give you man, is stop selling/trading stuff in. It is a trap that will make you feel unhappy. You do this a ton. It sucks. I know, I used to do it. You do it, I think, because you constantly are looking for that next great fix. It doesn't exist. Titanfall is CoD with Mech Kill streaks. Destiny is Halo meets Borderlands. There is no great next thing that is going to make you feel the same as when you first played some of your all time favs. You just aren't that same person anymore. Imagine taking the field for the first time in your first pro game in your life...amazing. Now imagine taking the field as a 16 year vet...just another game. We are like that as gamers. Nothing is going to hold and thrill you the same way it once did.
Stop looking for a pot of gold, just enjoy looking at the rainbow.
It just simply is what it is.
My best advice for you...stay with 3DS. Buy a PS4, with maybe a Vita. When a price cut and more games happen, rebuy a WiiU. Don't sell anything, you will only rewant it later.
And start adopting a wait and see attitude. Not buying something right away isn't the end of the world, let things play out a bit, Sony will be happy to sell you a PS4 6 months or a year after launch.
thanks for taking the time for this great feedback og. really appreciated. i must admit that it kinda made me sad though :)
i think you´re correct about a lot of things you posted there. i am chasing the dragon for a while now,
always trying to find a better solution...which...probably just doesn´t exist.
sometimes you have to envy the fanboys. they just stick with their brand, praise everything they throw at them and that´s it :) must be great.
gaming is still fun for me most of the time but it also became a pain. lots of games i start to play i just cannot enjoy anymore. lots of games. i always think there must be a system that´s just perfect for me and my taste in games but yeah. that system doesn´t exist.
maybe i should indeed just stick with what i got, then look for the gems for those systems and that´s it.
not really feeling the ps4 yet, maybe i should wait with a purchase and rebuy a wiiu instead. trading it in was a mistake. i must admit that. maybe i should really do that....and then wait what will happen in the next 2 years or so.
thank you again. makes me think.
Hope it helps my friend.
Just keep your focus on two things: Games(you don't play hardware, you play the games); And: Games that make you happy.
I have found that while I play less games, I tend to get more out of the ones I play. Like, for me, Civ V, Diablo III, Torchlight II, Titan Quest: Immortal Throne, Rift, Zen Pinball, NFL/NCAA Football. I don't need to get on board the hype train to enjoy gaming, infact I feel out of place on that train.
You will get it figured out and find what you are looking for. Just find a perspective that works for you, they are just games, there for your enjoyment.
i believe that´s a very good point. less can be more if you make the right picks. i personally enjoyed the hell out of the souls games recently. i hesitated a long time to pick those up fearing they would be too tough for me. in fact they helped me to get over a severe gaming fatigue. nintendo games just make me feel good. it´s like watching a donald duck cartoon. gives me a good vibe. that´s just how it is. so glad these games exist.
i can´t enjoy most of the triple a blockbusters anymore that much, well most of them i can´t. i don´t even slightly crave starting to play most of them. bioshock, tomb raider, dishonored: i had an unopened copy lying here for months but never felt like playing it, so i didn´t.
i just discovered that plants vs zombies is the best thing since sliced bread and i really enjoy indies so much more than most triple a games now. i feel myself shifting in another direction. might sound strange but it´s definitely true. more bite sized gaming, less triple a blockbuster gaming and some mp or coop titles that i can enjoy playing for longer periods will probably do the job for me; and the regular nintendo fix of course. 3ds works great for that right now though.
i think destiny could become a hit and i know that i will enjoy diablo III a lot and dark souls 2 of course....and yeah, duck tales, dragons crown too, spelunky on the vita, hotline miami 2 and plants vs zombies 2....nothing next gen in that list right?
no need to hurry into the next big thing but maybe i should buy a ps4 at launch and be settled for the next gen. just stick with it.
i´m still thinking this through man. no kidding. great posts and many thanks.
Well, It sounds interesting.
I am thinking that,to some degree, Steambox was not just Valve. Let's think of Steambox as a symbol, a dream for a new age of gaming, in which indies,self-publishing and digital distribution play a big role. Consoles from Sony and Micro are already aiming for all of these. ,I know it sounds crazy,perhaps I'm going too far, too fast but I think they have read the hand and are going fast towards it.
Self publishing on both consoles,indies having almost equal opportunities on both, and every game releasing simultaneously on both disc and digital store. architecture similar to PC,but closed (so it can be all optimized and enhanced for each, but easy to deliver similar performance and quality on both of them alongside PC, accelerating the development because they are similar to PC and ...)
Regarding about seeing new boys on the block, I don't think Valve can bring anything the other two (Sony and micro) can't counter. They are already bringing steam's ideas to their consoles.
Then is apple, Apple (If it wants to do consoles) will certainly follow its long honed traditions, high price on hardware and limitations in the software, in the name of a better experience. Then, can Apple produce exclusive games for its platform? It can create studios and do that, Is apple interested in creating content (Apple as a game publisher), I don't think so, and without exclusives, why should I buy Apple but not Micro ? iTunes can't be a big boon here.
Apple has almost always been a simple logic, sell hardware with massive profit margin. Little more is needed !
Google ? I don't know. It might do a great hardware at a good price (Nexus Play !) but using an architecture different from these two consoles will make it unappealing for developers, more powerful will be pointless because of the lowest denominator thing. the same hardware offer ? Alright, but it won't have as many good exclusives as the other two and it can't be achived over night.
Only Valve has a chance.
EDIT: I responded more to the name of the topic rather than the discussion. But I have nothing to add to what OlderGamer said. %100 true !
yep, they have a chance. i really do believe that also. it will be very interesting to watch what will happen.
I won't pretend I've read all the posts here, so I might be going over old ground.
I'm on the last legs of my PC build now, it was far more expensive than I thought and shitty car / tooth problem canned all my money.
Ultimately, you don't have to go mental to get a quality small STEAM PC that could run most games on ultra at 1080p & 60FPS.
My choice has been a full on rig, the idea being:
Pay more now (but for about 3 times the power of PS4 / Xbone), but make that back on games over the next year.
Then, next year or 2, I can either get another GTX 780 to run in SLI, or sell my existing GTX 780 and put the money towards the best powered single GPU that's available at that time.
There are soooo many cool looking micro / midi cases around at the moment and some amazing deals on PC stuff...: 16gb memory for less than £80!!!! Stuff like that.
With STEAM big window mode and the fact that nearly all modern GPU's have HDMI you could easily customise one to your tastes to play on your TV, maybe even with a new Xbone pad! Imagine Dark Souls special Edition and Dark Souls 2 with High Res textures at 1080p and no frame drops at 60fps! ;)
Blight town in 1080p / 60fps and high res textures!
There's even threads about this project:
^ This one has out of date specs, but, you get the idea.
If you get a decent port that is... ;)
just had a conversation about the DS pc port with a friend a few days ago...he still enjoys the game though.
@mg: i know - it makes a lot of sense - BUT i just don´t feel like building a pc. not now. maybe in a few years but i´m not ready for all that fuss. i am the type of guy that´s not easy to please. i would want the high end stuff soon. i would look things up until i found the best of the best. it would rape my mind and my wallet. in gaming i kinda tick strange. i just can´t see myself diving into pc land any time soon. i even have trouble to stick with a few consoles. if you add the endless opportunities of the pc i will just drown in it.
the steambox could solve this weakness of mine :)
I know EXACTLY what you mean...
Hence why my specs kept changing! :)
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