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Started 2 years ago by Soong
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Soong
Member

I posted this in the comments section of the Itagaki: Japanse Games Industry is Dying article:

"Being of Japanese descent myself, I find theevilaires’ racist comments deeply offensive. I don’t mind flamewars between console fanboys and a bit of personal namecalling accompanying it, but theevilaires is going way too far now.

I hope 24/7 does (or already did do) something about this, because it’s one thing to allow users a huge degree of freedom in the comments section, but it’s another thing entirely to allow racist fanatics to misuse that freedom to post hateful and shocking comments like theevilaires just did."

There was no reaction from any of the VG24/7 crew so I thought it might be a good idea to start a discussion about this in the forum section. the way I understand it, is that in terms of moderating comments VG24/7 is very 'hands off', which is commendable even if it sometimes leads to vile remarks between fanboys of different consoles or PC. However, should the kind of blatant racism theevilaires posted in that particular article be allowed? Isn't that going way too far? Shouldn't some kind of line be drawn when a racist remark isn't even thinly veiled, but all-out over the top offensive as in theevilaires' remark?

What does everyone think of this? Should VG24/7 draw a line somewhere, or should this kind of thing be allowed no matter how offensive and shocking?

Posted 2 years ago #
Patrick Garratt
Key Master

I wasn't aware of this. No racist comments are allowed on VG247. I'll take a look at what he said now.

Posted 2 years ago #
Patrick Garratt
Key Master

Right. I'm going to clear up those comments now.

This is your only warning. Racism will not be tolerated on this site. If I see any racially offensive material anywhere in the comments or on the forum, it'll be deleted, as will the user's account.

That means everyone. I will not have racist remarks on my website.

Posted 2 years ago #
Psychotext
Member

Good call, I fucking hate racism.

(I've not actually seen the comments in question, just talking generally)

Posted 2 years ago #
Soong
Member

That was fast! Thanks Pat for not only responding but also doing something about it :)

Posted 2 years ago #
Patrick Garratt
Key Master

That's the last time I'm warning anyone. Next time it's an instant ban.

Posted 2 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Garratt they weren't meant to be racist. Its your site you do whatever but I could have just said that about anyone. If Soong was chinese I'm sure he wouldn't have made this thread as his only concern was about "him" and his nationality. I don't see O'Connor crying about how much I joke with him about being drunk on Irish wiskey 24/7.

But like I said its your site you make the rules. No problem I hope Soong and everyone else who feels butt hurt by a couple of black text characters makes good use of your ignore functionality when it comes. Psychotext I will send you a messeage over XBL or PSN of what it said.

Posted 2 years ago #
Robo_1
Member

"butt hurt by a couple of black text characters"

... I suspect those will be amongst your last words at this place. Bye.

Posted 2 years ago #
Soong
Member

Jeesh TEA, just after everything that was said you still had to go and show your true colours. Your being racist only concerned me because I'm of Japanese descent? Dude, racism is racism no matter how much you try to justify it. A racist comment about the Japanese is just as as bad as a racist comment about black people or Hispanics or Chinese or whoever. You're inorrigible, what you just said shows that you don't get it and never will. And you obviously don't *want* to get it, you're stuck in your own blinkered worldview.
"butt hurt by a couple of black text characters" that just says it all really. Mein Kampf (wiki it) is also nothing but a collection black text characters, you're probably wondering why everyone makes a big deal about that too.

Posted 2 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Shut up Robo you know what I meant. Its just sad to see people get hurt by things said on the internet. Everyone wants to be a victim these days and shout offensive or sue for what I believe is freedom of speech. if someone is outright slandering a person of his or her race of course thats wrong I see all the fault in that like no tomorrow but too many people still want to cling on to the past and use it as an excuse or justification of why they're special or something.

I don't know who else read that articles comments but as you can see I was constantly verbally attacked off and on after my first couple of post. I could have responded back just as angry as you are trying to explain myself but If you're an adult you would see that I meant no harm or disrespect. All you people have my XBL and PSN I.D. you could have approached me on there and peace would have been made like civil adults. But no you took something out of context and far beyond what I was trying to express to try and get me ban.

I know most of you hate my guts cause you're a bunch of XBOTS (ooops hope I don't get ban for that one) but seriously grow a pair and stop taking things that are said on the internet to heart. Its just fun and games.

Posted 2 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Soong you just proved how big of a moron you are by your latest post. What does Black text characters have to do with anything about being racist? who here of African decent is offended by that remark? Raise your voice please. Like I said you want to play wolf in sheep clothing's who saw that the comments in that article went out of control by other people in reaction to what I said in a few words that wasn't even the main theme of what I was getting at in that paragraph.

I wonder whats stopping 100 more idiots who can change their user name on this site, claim I offended you by imaginary 1's and 0's on the internet and have me banned. I've said many jokingly stuff about all other nations on this site for the past 2 years I've been commenting. Not once have I've seen O'Connor say one thing....because you know why he's a man and an adult who I respect far more than I ever will you. So run up and down the site all day with your new retard ribbon of being owned on the internet....a fake digital world that everyone's I.P. address is their social security number and we all come to work at VG247 and i just offended you so you're trying to get me fired from my posting job that pays me $0.00 an hour you loser.

Posted 2 years ago #
Robo_1
Member

As Soong said, you just don't seem to get it. You made a nasty racial remark and you were called out on it. If you don't know why race related comments are as far off bounds as they are, then I imagine you're either a lot younger than I thought, or you seriously need to see more of life and the history of our civilisation to see why race attacks are out of bounds.

I wouldn't want to see you thrown out of this place as I think you're the sort of lively character most communities like this need to stir the pot every now and again, but my advice is to take a breath, and just do the sensible (and decent) thing and apologise for causing offence and tone it down in future.

Posted 2 years ago #
Kerplunk
Member

"Garratt they weren't meant to be racist..."

I think it's become clear that, even if that's not what you meant, that is how your comments were perceived.

I agree with Robo_1 above, you bring a lot of character to discussions and it would be a shame if that side of your input were to suffer as a result of this incident.

Posted 2 years ago #
reask
Member

Wow Tea what did you do this time.
I mean in all fairness I missed the comments so I am not aware of what was said.

Having said that I have been on the site a long time and never remember coming away with the impression of Tea been racialist.
Thats not to say I condone racialism.
Been Irish myself I have heard my daughter getting flak on live on several occasions.
For a 12 year old it isn't really nice but I just tell her that you don't have to be from a particular place to be a moron it normally comes down to lack of intelligence.
As for been banned I think if there was a pattern of racialism coming from a poster then yes by all means but lets face it I have seen comments directed at Tea many a time which were quite insulting and his country of origin been used to slam home the point.

Posted 2 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

I'm not apologizing. You took it the wrong way thats you. My advice don't visit America because you'll get it all the time. If you wanted to be civil you should have been the adult and contacted me directly on PSN or XBL. I don't care about knowing your stupid gamer-tag or PSN I.D. either. Like I said you took the initiative to try and make a name for yourself here....no problem but next time think about how you do it cause you only caused more of an issue now that people can't enjoy themselves on this site. Which leads to less traffic for Garratt(maybe).

If I was some new kid on the block on this site you would have all told me to STFU you noob, but since I'm TEA...the raging SONY fanboy who makes you cry every time you read my post and can't out debate me on any topic you play the race card to look sympathetic and instantly gain more supporters off that kind of negative energy. If my good friend Oldergamer could agree with me 100% while by passing those supposedly 3 to 4 offense words and not commenting on how disrespectful I was or sounded then I don't feel bad one bit.

FYI also I only post here really out of appreciation for the other regular posters like Blerk,J.C.,O'Connor,Gek,and so on. So when a guy like you post something Sooong I usually by pass you cause your opinion means shit to me. Do the same for me now on please. Same for you too Robo_1 and everyone else that was offended. I hope that ignore button works in reverse too Garratt. So I can block all those sensitive eyes out there from reading my comments.

Thank you to all the readers and posters out there who understand I can get a little passionate about how I feel sometimes but "KNOW" I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. I'm just me and I speak the truth always whenever possible. what comes to my mind comes onto this site with little to none hesitation and sometimes it may offend and sometimes you might like it. But I will say one last thing to Sooong....I apologize for disrespecting your heritage/nationality. I'm sorry you were offended in the slightest by something that I truly did not mean to offend anyone by. And to all the others the same.

Posted 2 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Thanks Reask. Whenever something like this happens I always shrug it off and blame Mike for it. ;) makes getting along with everyone else a little easier :) So if you guys excuse me I'm headed back to the main site to blame M$ for more shit :D later!

Posted 2 years ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

I post a lot, too much perhaps, and while I don't/can't remember everyones name/handle(esp because people like to change them alot), I would like to ask:

Who is Soong?

Is that a legit poster, or an imposter trying to use an alt handle to get back at TEA?

Maybe not, just wondering out loud.

Racism is wrong plain and simple. And TEA prolly went over bored a tad. I can tell you 100% w/o a doubt that he didn't mean it the way it came across. And I think the people here that have been here a long time and have talked with TEA would agree with that. I say misguided at most.

Let me also go out there and call a spade a spade.

I have a major beef with one posters handle, and many comments that often get posted. I don't say anything. It isn't my job to make the world a kinder gentler place acording to OlderGamer.

Your only going to see this once, because it is what I am, but does not define me.

I am a little person.

I was born with EVC, a very rare dwarfism. I have had open heart surgry, rconstructive Knee(both legs) srgy, hip srgy, a decompresion of my lower spine, and I have a rod in my neck. I have had several other smaller surgries. I have had to relearn to walk twice. I have died once.

Trust me, not making any of this up.

I live in constant pain, I have a pain patch and vicoden to help me manage.

I am married to a very good looking, average stature women. I have two very healthy, average stature(my oldest is just shy of 6ft - and growing!) teen boys. I wouldn't change what I have gone through for anything. It has lead to this point in my life where I have a great family that accepts me and loves me for who I am, not what I am.

My point?

Ninjamidget is a handle I do NOT like.

As you can imagine I took some crap growing up, still do.

But to most people they don't think anything of it. They don't mean it as an attack on anyone. Hell it is even funny to most.

I have developed thicker skin then most.

I would suggest the same tactic for Soong. Surly some guy in a online games blog isn't the only place he has ever encountered such comments.

I agree that doesn't make it ok or acceptible. Tea made a bad stereotype/generalization. But it wasn't aimed at anyone on a personal level. I believe there is a difference.

In the end TEA made a mistake with his choice of words. But that is all it was. So cut him some slack.

Posted 2 years ago #
Yoshi
Member

You know I kinda gotta agree with some of the stuff TEA is saying. It's like a comedian making a racist joke, everyone laughs and brushes it off because he obviously doesnt really think that.

Posted 2 years ago #
Patrick Garratt
Key Master

This has got nothing to do with traffic. I really hate racism. And this is my website. And that's kind of it.

Posted 2 years ago #
Psychotext
Member

Who is Soong?

Is that a legit poster, or an imposter trying to use an alt handle to get back at TEA?

Soong has been around since mid 2008. Doesn't post a lot though.

Posted 2 years ago #
OlderGamer
Moderator

Aye, hard to keep a tab on everyone.

Posted 2 years ago #
reask
Member

Psychotext is our own personal google on VG247 OG. :D
Any site info you want and Psychotext will have it for you in seconds.

Posted 2 years ago #
mojo
Member

guys, keep on posting, this is good show
/takes popcorn

seriously, this is a joke.

Soong, are u realy, in full command of your mental faculties lamenting about inappropriate behavior IN THE INTERNET?
seriously?
besides that im sure that it wasnt TEAs intention to convey a impression of him beeing a racist.
He did it for the lulz, get over it. Wellcome to the internet.

Posted 2 years ago #
Callum
Member

There has to be a line Mojo. You can't just say "this is the internet, get over it" if that is your opinion then you are as immature as the people who abuse the anonymity the internet gives. The line was crossed, Patrick dealt with it.

Posted 2 years ago #
Telepathic.Geometry
Member

I have to say that, living in Japan, I'm subject to racism on a daily basis, and I have just learned to shrug it off. Sure it pisses me off, but people don't know any better, so I can let it slide (usually).

In this case, I think that as long as TEA apologises for the comment - understanding the offense it caused - we can all get on with gaming again. :)

Posted 2 years ago #
DeSpiritusBellum
Member

If Pat says no, it's a no, obviously, but calling it racism is just hysterical.

Tea used some remarks that if they were taken completely out of context, could be construed as intolerance, and that was percieved as being racism, even though it has nothing to do with what racism is, namely determined racial intolerance, which is something I hate as well.

He wasn't damning anyone or trying to attack a race, though, he was just being cocky.

Racism is when you go out of your way to hurt or degrade a person of another race, and clearly tea was just making a joke in a very rude tone (which is what the guy does, it's usually kinda fun).

People have different tolerances I guess, and sadly, if people really seek to be offended, they can make themselves be very offended by very little.

It makes a mockery of real racism, which is a huge problem, to say that tea was in any way practicing that, though.

Posted 2 years ago #
DrDamn
Member

@TEA
"I'm not apologizing ... I apologize ..." :D

Posted 2 years ago #
Robo_1
Member

It's a sorry state of affairs if people are now trying to turn this back on Soong, just because he's not a regular contributor. Very poor show in fact, and I'm surprised by it as one thing I always liked about the VG247 community was it's welcoming nature. If that's been replaced by an us and them mentality then fuck it.

I've been here pretty much since the site launched, but that gives me absolutely no more right to be heard or responded to than anyone else, and Soong's complaint was completely legitimate. I wish I'd have said something about it upon first reading it, but I was just browsing via my ipod at the time. It was a nasty and unwelcome remark and if we're going to excuse it as a mistake, then fine, but I really do think theevilaires should apologise for said mistake, not go on a completely disproportionate attack on Soong for bringing it up.

Sure you can't take every comment people make on the net to heart, but as Callum says, you have to draw a line somewhere and thankfully Pat has done just that.

I disagree with DeSpiritusBellum too. You want to know if the comments were racist or not, go out and say them to the face of a chinese guy and see what happens. Going off his post history I don't think theevilaires is a racist, but his comments were bang out of order, and it's shameful that instead of apologising for them he's instead further slagged off the people who do find it unacceptable.

Posted 2 years ago #
Gadzooks!
Member

Every single thing TEA posts here is inflammatory, and posted for no other reason than to piss people off. Not conversation, not advice, not even debate, just flaming.

He does not belong here. He does not belong anywhere near civilised people.

Ban him. For good.

Posted 2 years ago #
mojo
Member

"It's a sorry state of affairs if people are now trying to turn this back on Soong, just because he's not a regular contributor. Very poor show in fact, and I'm surprised by it as one thing I always liked about the VG247 community was it's welcoming nature. If that's been replaced by an us and them mentality then fuck it."

soong is posting here since a long time.
i dont like one more then the other, its just that imo soong is overreacting.
nothing more.
fact is this is the internet. a place where the behavior in general is a more rough one.

"You can't just say "this is the internet, get over it" if that is your opinion then you are as immature as the people who abuse the anonymity the internet gives"
well i know a good bunch of ppl who would call anyone here immature, simply because we are playing videogames.

define maturity.
Going nuts over a comment made on "yet another website" from "yet another anonymous prick" somewhere in teh world?
I guess not.

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