Its a interesting question i pose to you all.
Is The Media The Fault Of Xbone Bad Publicity?(43 posts)
Its a interesting question i pose to you all.
I'm pretty sure forums were ablaze right after their conference with people saying how bad it was before any news sites really had time to do anything but straight up report on what they saw. But if MS want to add bad mouthing video game news sites to their long list of recent faux pas' then so be it.
I know you want some more LOLZ and here is some from fox news (thanks Slayer)
"Microsoft hauled out the big gaming guns. Call of Duty will come out with a new, HYPER REALISTIC EDITION called Ghost for the Xbox One."
On topic, internet is over-reacting, how weird :D
Chillax people, we have lots of time before next-gen arrives.
But obviously, I think some of it is definitely media fault, MS let some very loose mouths talk, their PR management has been shit as of now.
I think Sony will impose at least some form of DRM, but they are intelligent enough to know how to talk about these things.
The only thing at fault for the Xbox One's bad publicity is itself.
I think presenting an all-seeing tv remote you can talk to as the next-gen gaming experience is kinda setting yourself up for a fall.
Especially if your audience is full of gamers, who might be just a little bored with kinnect, CoD & FIFA
It's not rocket science ;-)
I think people are overreacting to some degree, the loud mouths that is. But no its not the media's fault. MS took center stage in front of core gamers and didn't talk about games. They are waiting till E3 that's fine. What they did do was talk about features, not very well, that will affect gamers. Namely the DRM and always on business. Both of which have pros and cons, but again the loud minority focus on the negative. It would have benefited MS to better clarify the positive rather than be vague.
The media is part of it. After all, few pieces of information reach the consumer without delivering it in the way they see fit.
There's more mileage and clicks in negativity than positivity, however. When in doubt - drum up some outrage and controversy.
However, the reveal wasn't great. And that was controlled entirely by Microsoft and delivered directly to the interested consumers.
Why have a global reveal when you're only addressing your domestic market - TV, Sports etc.
The big finish, the coup-de-grace, was a multiplatform title.
Positive or negative spin can only have so much effect on the facts of the matter.
@Slayer and @JM For 'one' brief moment there was light at the of the tunnel...
@Zinc It could argued that the conference was targeted solely at the casual "kinnect, CoD & FIFA" crowd. Maybe after E3 we hardcore will have a better understanding of MS's intentions for us.
To add to my previous comment, I would say this all fits perfectly in rumor that MS is 6 months behind Sony. They talked about TV for 30 minutes and then 30 minutes for games, whereas Sony spent 15-30 minutes on hardware and then 90 minutes on games.
We are seeing lots of PS4 announcements, but very few Xbones (Deep Down and Witcher 3 arent confirmed for xo yet).
What I would take away from this is Sony has more than enough stock for E3, so they are letting these announcements go, however MS is in a tighter spot.
All speculation though. E3 will make things much clearer.
i loved the 360 for years. there have been some great great gaming years on that system. there was a time, while playing on ps and nintendo too, when it was my main console and i really liked everything about it, the controller, live, halo, friendslist, the marketplace and xbla, so much stuff so done just right. when they introduced ads to my paid gold service, things really started to go downhill but i absolutely wanted to like the nextbox still...i watched the livestream for one and there was nothing for me there. i played on 360 for what, 6,7,8 years? and then there is this presentation of the next xbox and there is literally NOTHING about it that makes me excited (ok, i liked the controller)- even stuff i hated, like sports deals, voice recognition, tv and wishy washy halo tv series...no, ms is to blame, they totally fucked up, at least from a gamer´s perspective and they totally deserve all the bad press and even more of it. their reveal for one was unbelieveable and nothing but a slap in the face of their long time gamer customers. thank you for some good years indeed but i am done with them.
@Poly I know it wasn't what you wanted but at least wait till E3 to make a judgment call. The only thing at the conference that was for you was the actual machine. You got to see it. Everything else was meant for a different crowd. E3 they will have what you want, or at least they better :)
If true then MS are flogging a dead horse and really let the ball slip for the past couple of years.
I hope its not as without healthy competition we the consumer will suffer.
@Slayer: yes, maybe, but i do not feel like waiting for e3, because i think they should have shown some respect for their customers with the first reveal. this was about the next xbox, the xbox and the xbox 360 have been games consoles in the first place. you have to show games if you reveal a next xbox...otherwise you shouldn´t be wondering why all your long lasting customers tell you to fuck off. like i said, i am a halo fan, i do not play on xbox since yesterday, i supported them for a long time, bought lots of games, digital and retail...they pissed all over this with their presentation and i think that´s how many xbox gamers are feeling right now. all the other infos/ rumors about used games fees and all that doesn´t help either. they fucked up their presentation and they pay the price for it now. sure they will show some cool games at e3 but they´ve lost me already. it started with the ads on the dash and it ended now by (finally) showing their real, undisguised vision of the future of console gaming with their x1 presentation. there are great alternatives out there. there is the lovely wiiu console that gets so much hate from everyone while being such a charming and old school superfun games machine and there will be the ps4. they can show as many great games as they want. i am not a whore, they can go fuck themselves...and i really really hope people will vote with their wallet and show them that they do not share their vision.
I wonder what would have happened if MS came out and showed their 15 exclusives and nothing else on the 21st, and then at E3 shown what was shown on the 21st..would there still be this mindset that MS doesn't care about their hardcore gamer fan base??
Question back at ya'll :)
well, they could´ve just focus on the controller a little more, show at least one more exclusive game in more detail and less sports instead or maybe just a teaser trailer of some new ip gameplay. i do not think that´s too much to ask for. this show has sent a message, a message gamers didn´t like that much and they should have known that while planning all this - and i think they did - they wanted this scenario, because this was their plan right from the start. the xbox as the trojan horse for the battle of the living room and tv entertainment. they can do all that, totally ok, i am not naive, this is all business and all but they shouldn´t be wondering if the people they abused for it (gamers) are a little pissed about it...it must not mean that the x1 wont be a success but for me...nahh, i think i´ll skip that "one"
"The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future."
Inaccurate and incomplete, eh?
So the internet rumour mill fails again, does it?
Anyway, back on topic, even though the article in the OP is sensationalising the quote, I think that any bad press that MS got from its own conference is no one's fault but their own.
Almost completely ignoring games is inexcusable.
The IGN video on the controller, that reask posted, showed a really cool device that I'd liked to have seen at the show, but they were more interested in trying to sell me TV features that don't even exist where I live.
Why didn't they at least show a bit more of the controller and its new features...?
@G1GA because its not a video game console. Sure it plays them, but so does the iPad. You don't hear anyone whining about Apple not showing any games for their AppleTV or iPods.
As clear as MS made it, I dont understand why people aren't grasping it.
because it always was one...
people understand very well that this is changing now. like you said, for the first time, ms was very very clear about that...hence the outrage.
it will all settle down after a while, they will sell the thing to us (or not) and only time will tell if it will be a success but i really do think it will be a shift in user demographic. i cannot see it becoming the "it" console for the so called "hc gamer" anymore. looks like sony is ready for taking that job while the one will be the multimedia box...the X (for everything) box...it only does everything - lol....the irony
..b..u...t...this controller...JUST PERFECT!
You can't compare the X1 to an iPad.
Even if it's not a games console, games are still its bread and butter.
Without games, it's nothing, because every single piece of non-gaming functionality that it has, other than Kinect 2.0 (which is also coming to PC) can be done better on many different formats.
Without games, it's a worthless piece of hardware.
The same can't be said for Apple TV, iPads or iPods.
Im not comparing the devices them selves. Only how they are revealed, marketed, and shown off.
Edit: And maybe MS doesn't want games to be its ONLY bread and butter. Cause lets be honest, at this point we have to assume (going off what they've said) they're STILL going to have the games. But you're talking about an industry (games) that no one can tell where its going to be in 5 years or more. Im done trying to bring reason to you fellas. Ill just leave at this, wait till E3. Wait for prices. Wait till we see just how MS plans to approach gaming for its new machine, before you judge them.
The two are inseparable.
How a product functions defines how it's marketed.
If you completely ignore 75% of your product's functionality at its reveal, something's going wrong.
It's not the fact that they didn't show anything that's the problem. It's the fact that they pretended that watching TV was more a more important feature, and that this is what we've all been waiting for for the last 2 or 3 years.
They could have revealed the box, shown us the controller, talked about "rocket science", and said 'see you at E3', and it wouldn't have been as big a deal, IMHO.
But they just acted like no one wanted to see games, anyway, and that crappy American daytime TV was the future that we all needed.
I am not sure about the rest of you but my PS3 or PS2 (Depending on which room I am in) is underneath my SkyBox/Freeview Box which is hooked up to my TV. Why would i need TV options/entertainment options when its just a few buttons presses away, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, BBC IPlayer and the Internet is all used on my Macbook Pro and PS Vita, so are the entertainment options really justified on gaming consoles?
I don't think E3 will have anything that'll restore the faith lost. This was MS big chance to counter the Sony reveal & it failed.
Sony only showed the control pad, xbone was their in all it's glory... & failed.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
MS have turned the 360 into a living room pc, with tv functionality & a voice activated remote.
What did everyone expect the Xbox One to be?
@slayerGT - I expected MS to go full media and I could live with that, but thats not what I wanted in a console. What I didn't expect was the always required Kinect, the used games fiasco, and the console phoning home every 24 hours.
What I was hoping for was a games system that did media, not a media system that plays games. The fact the PS4 is so muc more powerful GPU wise is not a complete surprise, but a major disapointment.
The first Xbox ws the most powerful console of its time, the 360 had the better ram and GPU and games looked better on 360 for the first half of its life at least. The Xbox one is underpowered right out of launch, because of MS including Kinect, and focusing on media.
MS is nothing like the guys that were there on release of the Xbox and 360 now, they are like a cross between Sony of 2005/2006 and Nintendo.
@LegendaryB "so are the entertainment options really justified on gaming consoles? "
That's the million dollar question. The prob being that the facts are not all in to answer it. But between now and Novemberish we should be able to. It'll come down to price, in the end people only have to justify spending their hard earned money.
@Monkey why does it have to be one or the other? Why cant it be both?
Edit: And hey! I'm totally in agreement about Kinect HAVING to be connected. Its just creepy.
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