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PS4 or Xbox One?(56 posts)
@Richenbaum , Man i know DDR5 is faster ! jus wanna know the percentage of difference on consoles ...
Sanwiches: "I have no use of many of the extras provided by the X1 for media entertainment"
That's how I am on that stuff too. But also, I know that I have no interest in this "snapping" business. In fact, it runs in direct opposition to how I typically use entertainment. Come to think of it, so does the console.
If you get time, have a listen to Wired.com's Game/Life podcast. They posted an in-depth edition on Tuesday on the new machine, 20 mins in, and I already learned (from the reporter detailing his visits to Microsoft Campus, prior to last Tuesday) that the console can switch on all kinds of other devices in the room by itself. Is that new? I didn't see them mention it, yet.
- GDDR5 is a huge difference in available bandwith, Xbone would have 68.3GB/s and PS4 would have 176GB/s bandwith, this is per Anandtech.
The thing abiout GGDR5 is the higher latency compared to GDDR3, but I have no idea if that will effect games much if at all over the better latencies in GDDR3. The highest level video cards like Nvidia Titan has 6GB of GDDR5 and PS4 will have 2GB more than that, thats actually pretty impressive. The video card performance seems to be around a Ati 7850 (comparable to a GTX570), where the Xbox One's is around a 7770 (Comparible to a Nvidia GTX560)
Per anandtech it's 33% faster in overall performance, and a whopping 50% faster in shader processing performance. The jump from Xbox One to Ps4 is like buying a higher model video card, thats a pretty significant jump. Being that the Xbox 360 is using the equivilent of a ATI x1950 thats a nice big console jump.l It cannot compare to the modern fastest PC cards, but with its optimization it should play games as good as most higher spec PC's right now at 1080p. It wouldnt compare to PC's at anything above 1080p though, especially regarding Filtering and antialiasing performance. PC CPU's have much more raw physicis power as well.
It's obvious that the PS4 is the most powerful box this time, and unlike this generation, you would be able to see a difference between consoles. The 360 had the better GPU and more unified memory, the PS3 had the better CPU. For the next gen, the PS3 and Xbox one have the same CPU tech, but the Ps4's memory and GPU are much better, even with optimization, the Xbox one will not compare later down the road when developers really start using the power in the boxes.
Being a Xbox fan who never owned a PS3, this is not a happy thing for me.
@fearmonkey Comprehensive explanation , THX .
@Monkey at least this time it should be easier to port optimally. Coming from my PS3 I know less than great ports come with technical issues. If there are disparities at least it will only be visual.
Nice bit of tech info Fear. Any thoughts on how much if at all the background activity(like OS, Skype, Kinect, and other social features) will tax the raw power of the new systems? Wondering ofc, if that raw power will be usable or if clutter will get in the way. I mean benchmarks and real world performance are almost never the samething.
Love to read peoples thoughts.
Thanks for that monkey. Very well written and informative.
@SlayerGT - This is true for better or worse. The PC like system won't have as many quirks and specialties that can later be optimized and utilized down the road, ala PS3 and the Cell processor or Ps2's emotion engine. The best news really comes for PC gamers as there isnt really any reason now for their not to be a PC version other than a console exclusive. Porting to PC would be trivial, at least compared to last console gens. All that ram means that PC versions will also have the HD textures they love rather than a stright port.
@OG - MS keeps talking about custom 5 pieces of silcon, so I believe that they have tried to keep the main CPU from doing alot of the background Kinect, and possibly Skype stuff. The thing I have been reading, and won't know for sure until the console is out, is that the Xbox One's 3 different OS's (thats MS's own words) will take a large memory footprint.
Both PS4 and Xbox One have 8GB of memory, but according to leaked Dev documents, the Xbox one will take 3GB of that just for the OS, and the PS4 will take about 1GB for the OS, so that leaves 2GB more for the PS4 to utilize. It's currently unknown what memory the PS4's cloud game watching and saving to video functions will take. On my PC it's not a small amount of memory to capture video and the CPU tends to take a hit. If the processing is done in the cloud (Streamed to the cloud and then recorded, it would be less CPU intrusive, and I think thats how it will go)
The PS4 is still a unknown on some things, but as Sony seems really game focused, I imagine they want to give the developers all the power to a game it can have. I would think this means as less a footprint on non direct gaming functions as possible. With the Xbox One, they want gaming to be on the same level as watching TV and movies and Internet functions, so all that being ready at any time means its being used in memory in the background.
I know this stuff doesnt matter to many, but Im a major tech geek, and I find all this facinating. As an Xbox fan, I am disapointed at MS for choosing this direction but I knew it was coming. I always go for the most powerful or console best for gaming, and thats really the PS4 spec wise.
I think MS misjudged it's audience. Nintendo can get away with minimal specs because their games have never been about raw power. MS and Sony have always been about specs and power though, and this is a large change from previous Xbox's. The fact that MS has turned off comments on their offical Youtube channel's videos regarding the Xbox One speaks volumes. Major Nelson's blog comments are full of very unhappy gamers, and one of the top Youtube videos for Xbox One is Angry Joe, i am totally amazed how badly MS messed this up.
Thank you dralen :)
@Mjorh - Your welcome :)
@Mjorh huh? I wasn't making fun of you. I was making a joke about ps4 vs. xbone.
Awesome Fear, thnx for the info. I too find it interesting. I tend to care more about the end result like the games and the functions my system can do. Raw power, imo, almost never tells the whole story. But it can make the plot twist and change once in awhile.
Time will tell I guess.
More from the Wired.com Game/Life podcast. Microsoft considered not having an optical drive, but the efficiency/speed of install from physical media, vs speed for download of that data had them change their plan.
In the US: "90% of our users broadband connected". When asking about singleplayer, offline play: "we understand that service outages happen"! 0.o
PS4 as long as they don't incorporate DMR or used game fee.
If they do one or both then it's WiiU for me.
as it stands now definately not xbox, maybe ps4.
if sony doesnt completelyfuck things up like ms did with this used game policy it will be a ps4
I think Sony has a huge opportunity here to take advantage of all the restrictions Microsoft is applying to the XO. I have a feeling the PS4 could be the console that gamer's gravitate towards next gen.
I wrote a 2000+ word article on the subject if anyone is interested, just click my name.
It's Microsoft's attitude putting me off right now. Too cocky.
PS4. Though Sony too can get lost if they introduce used game fees and restrictions on sharing. They better not make the camera mandatory either.
WiiU is just not an option for me, so if I back off the PS4 I will have to stay loyal to my PS3 and 360 until they die.
I'll hafta reserve my decision for later down the line. I want to see more games and... stuff. It's still just may. In november we'll see if thigs are different. I'll probably get both. That's solves the problems.
Out of the the two I'd say PS4 right now. In reality though I think I'll just put a monster graphics card in my PC and skip the consoles for a couple of years.
PS4 is the only game consoles there all others like PC and xboxone are just for watching tv shows and porn
PS4 for me and probably a vita too
I forgot about Vita.
That reminds me, I'll probably get a 3DS before I get my Wii U & PS4.
Which one is better is decided by the game you want to play. Just so so. If you are a new console gamer, I suggest you buy xbox one.
Would not suggest a Xbox one.
To many restrictions and extras you have to buy/pay for.
Recent years have also shown us that Microsoft is focusing on TV a lot, less on games (despite the PR bullshit).
A Playstation 4 or Wii is a lot better.
You can play online for free, far less restrictions, more exclusive games, more virety in games and cheaper console/extra equipment.
XboxOne is good for people who dont own on PC and want to consume lots of media like TV shows/movies/sports events vie streaming.
While this is also avaibable on Playstation 4, XboxOne offers more especially if you live in America.
Or for people who go crazy over Gears of War/Halo sequels and dont care much about any other games.
WiiU seems to be a complete fail.
Loosing more and more support by developers every time i read the news.
Also the PC is missing so many great games, there are no big exclusives besides MMOs and Starcraft 2.
But you can play multiplatform titles for free...and while everyone despises it, we are all pirating on pc sometimes.
I am gonne upgrade my PC next year with a graphic card (~250euro) and buy a Playstation 4 when 4-5 exclusives i am interested are released/coming soon.
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