The pay-wall / blocking thing behind used games on Xbox One is really huge. What about Gamefly? Does this mean GameFly or even GameStop will lean towards PS4 and Wii U?
Xbox One's no-used games vs GameFly(21 posts)
PS4 could just as easily have a similar set up. They can do it via software quite easily. EA did get rid of Online Passes which suggest SOny have something similar.
ALso what this means is that MS will have control so Gamefly or rental services will have to go to MS directly and pay a fee to allow them to rent games out which will probably bump the price of the service or MS will do their own "On-Demand" rental service that they lock you out after x amount of time.
"EA did get rid of Online Passes which suggest SOny have something similar."
This is worrying. I always believed that MS and Sony won't do stupid stuff like this because they were afraid the other won't do it. Now that EA has indeed ended the online pass system and MS is fully behind it... I hope not.
I hope MS gets hurt because of this and is forced to remove it via a firmware update. Otherwise, FUCK THIS GEN.
Why? What's so great about pre-owned gaming that you want to see it kept alive?
The money goes no farther than the retailers and those same retailers don't exactly make it compelling to buy pre-owned, you're usually only saving £5-10, if that, on a newer release.
If the money MS takes makes its way somehow back to the devs, I'm all for it.
^^ because I don't give a damn about an industry that dug it's own hole where used games somehow became a threat. I won't have my rights as a consumer compromised due to greed, negligence and incompetence.
Personally, I can't understand why people buy a used game 3/4 weeks after the game has launched for a mere 5-10$ less than a brand new copy, never did buy a games like this and never will.
But on the other hand, as a late adopter of the PS3 I'm finding myself really favored with used copies of games that are 3/4+ years old. I bought Enslaved for 7€ and Bayonetta for 12€, so for me that plan to buy the next PS4 not before the next 3-4 years means alot.
I know that I'm not part of the demographic that the industry is aiming to, but I'm done spending a mini fortune to feed the lust for profits.
THe only option you have is to suck it up and pay the fee or just stop gaming because this will become the norm. I would bet that Sony has something similar as well. They have been wanted to get their hands on a billion dollar industry which none of the money goes towards them and now it looks like they will.
@Cyber, That's about the only time I buy a pre-owned game, when it's old and I can't find a copy in the store. Or I own the game on another platform already.
I'm usually a first-day buyer of a new console but I'm tempted to wait these ones out a bit.
@viral - I used to buy games day-1 until the PS2 era, but seeing how the industry exploited online features, DLC and pre-order exclusives, I'm done feeding their capitalist monster.
Games have been the same price since the 90s even less with inflation. The industry had to find ways to make a return for development which cost 40-100 million. The game industry was always a capitalist "monster" No developer gets in the business out good will and being paid nothing.
Is it really so hard to understand why some people who trade one game for another, might not like this option taken away?
The idea that removing 2nd hand trade will improve sales is kinda missing the point, that a few less well-off types, would often trade old for new.
But hey-ho, new world order & all that.
@zinc, The only way that works is if you have a number of games to trade in, which are reasonably new and not too old to actually get a decent trade in value.
Other wise you will only get about what, £10-15 trade in for a brand new game. There's absolutely no problem with this if there is another option other than trading in to the retail stores.
You only need a little bit of sense to see that.
I'm not going to argue the in's & out's of working the 2nd hand-gaming market, with someone who doesn't use it, or care for it.
Your gonna be ok, bully for you.
Others, less fortunate, will feel the pinch & nothing kills the thrill of gaming quite like the knowledge your going to be gouged for indulging in your hobby.
I do use it and it really doesn't cost that much less or save you that much more unless you're dealing in the two extremes, trading in just released/new games or buying very old cheap games.
It's not hard to see that an additional cost to unlock a disc for a new console significantly reduces the value of that actual disc. The value is in the code, which is now held by MS.
If I walked into a shop to buy a pre-owned game I would definitely be expecting it to come with either a new code included to unlock the game (for a similar price to a pre-owned game now) or significantly reduced in price to offset the additional price I will have to pay to play the actual game.
Retail have made an absolute killing of pre-owned sales. The only difference now is they don't have as much of an option to do so because anyone with a bit of sense would see it's a bad deal.
It's essentially a role reversal. Instead of game creators trying to claw back some money through an online pass, it should be the retailer trying to claw back some profit through a disc sale.
And why would Sony suddenly whip this out? Sony didn't start charging for the PSN just to emulate XBox Live's Gold fees.
If anything they know that this will cost Microsoft hardware sales and will use it to try to entice more people into buying PS4's.
To be honest I think this is the last thing that's going to cost them hardware sales. There's a long list of everything else piling up...
There are other negatives indeed but I do believe that this could be the biggest one because:
Where are the systems shown / given to consumers? In retailers. Now, we already know Nintendo is using Best Buy to show E3 games directly to consumers. After this move, any big retailer like BB or GS is more than happy to showcase PS4 and Wii U over the Xbox that is hurting its side business.
Then there are the shelf games. Which one will BB, GS and others display more proudly and obviously: The Xbox ones that restrict used game sales or PS4 / Wii U ones that are not so draconian?
The there is GameFly, where a lot of people test the games. Unless there are mandatory demos for EVERY X1 game, the software sales will drop due to the lack of tasting / trial options. I know a lot of people who only shell 60 bucks for a game that they have tried one way or another (The another also includes borrowing game from a friend and then getting it later for oneself).
@Red, if there's a demand for the console, they won't restrict it in anyway. Any shop the does is basically asking the shopper to go elsewhere, be it online or someone else that would rather get the console sale.
I think you are all missing the point in that the question was about game rentals, not buying used games. If u don't use gamefly or redbox this doesn't even apply to u. I do and wonder what it will do to my gamefly subscription, cause otherwise I wouldn't even play most of these games.
Gamefly and such services won't matter for the system. As MS had said you have to pay the fee.
Being main bread winner and a new dad means putting a time limit on my rentals wouldn't work. There are a number of times I might go a week or so without even being able to play. It would definitely steer me away from the the new box.
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