http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886 Just another bbPress community en-US Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:54:42 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.vg247.com/forum/search.php http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42280 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:43:40 +0000 lexph3re 42280@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Jebus chriz MG you are full out tripping man. I swear every time you post now and days it's exceedingly negative towards a thriving company. Again, THRIVING all 3 are doing well. With great install base, you are taking the conspiracy theories to serious trolling levels. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42267 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:30:06 +0000 monkeygourmet 42267@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Gadzooks!</p> <p>Why thank you good sir! :)</p> <p>@Poly </p> <p>Lol </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42266 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:48:07 +0000 polygem 42266@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>opening door now </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42265 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:45:04 +0000 polygem 42265@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>"I am out. Some people just derail every thread to a fanboy fight."</p> <p>yeah that's you.<br /> you mean: i am 'outing' myself. some people just derail every thread to a fanboy fight." </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42264 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:41:50 +0000 polygem 42264@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>it's knocking at my door...hello? who's there...?<br /> *hears someone behind the door, breathing heavily and repeating the word sony over and over again...* </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42263 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:38:13 +0000 polygem 42263@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>"Now only one your members is left to join the trolling."</p> <p>what do you mean...? i haven't seen manu here AT ALL lateley. i started to worry...have you...i mean...oh my... </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42260 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:14:28 +0000 Sadismek 42260@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@MG I like their smartphones... :(. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42258 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:09:25 +0000 Gadzooks! 42258@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>MG, today you are displaying hitherto unknown levels of zing, grin and win.</p> <p>Please don't stab me with a pen. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42257 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:59:45 +0000 monkeygourmet 42257@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Dragon</p> <p>What a great move.</p> <p>Nintendo need to start selling TV's and media formats no one needs.</p> <p>Then they can end up like this:</p> <p><a href="http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-sony-is-turning-into-a-ghost-in-japan-and-around-the-world" rel="nofollow">http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-sony-is-turning-into-a-ghost-in-japan-and-around-the-world</a></p> <p>Happy days! Please come and help me when I need business advice! :)</p> <p>If anything, Sony need to stop selling shitty TV's and just focus on being a Gaming and Movie business.</p> <p>The hardware shit is holding them back. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42256 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:54:40 +0000 Dragon246 42256@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@mg,<br /> "Just buy a Jap machine?"<br /> And pay 100$ for each game with no warranty? Only after you send half of the money you receive from ninty welfare account to me.<br /> And since you are unimaginably dense in ninty matters, I was referring to substantial biz other than gaming, due to which both sony and ms are quite stable for a few more years at least. Not that ninty isnt stable, they are, but they need to diversify. Ask any financial expert. Diversifying is the hallmark of a great biz and cos.</p> <p>I am out. Some people just derail every thread to a fanboy fight. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42255 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:49:58 +0000 monkeygourmet 42255@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Gheritt</p> <p> What do you mean I'm funny? </p> <p>What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What? </p> <p>What's funny about it?</p> <p>You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? </p> <p>:) lol </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42254 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:46:07 +0000 Gheritt White 42254@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>This thread is hilarious. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42253 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:26:29 +0000 monkeygourmet 42253@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Dragon</p> <p>Just buy a Jap machine? Soul Sacrifice can't keep you busy all year can it?</p> <p>"They should try their hands in others markets (maybe toys etc.)to provide themselves a cushion. Gaming is not a biz now where you will always be in green unless you are fine with being bottom feeder."</p> <p><a href="http://www.nintendoworldstore.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nintendoworldstore.com/</a></p> <p>Maybe I should re-phrase...</p> <p>Not sure if trolling, or really stupid... </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42251 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:14:43 +0000 Dragon246 42251@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@MG,<br /> Ohhhh, so hurt? Now we know who starts the T word first. Maybe stop getting so much ninty butthurt before accusing others? Now only one your members is left to join the trolling.<br /> Unlike you, I dont go to ms articles to bash other company.<br /> On exclusives, neither uc, kz can sustain ps or halo can sustain xbox, they are just icing on a cake made up by great 3rd party game, which are mia in ninty consoles.<br /> And call me when 3ds gets region unlocked or hacked (same thing for me). I know how great their eu support is. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42250 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:03:10 +0000 monkeygourmet 42250@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Poly</p> <p>Yep!</p> <p>Everything is preloaded trolling. Even the last papragraph starting this thead is mildly loaded. :)</p> <p>@Dragon</p> <p>Nintendo could pretty much survive on Pokemon, Animal Crossing and Mario &amp; Zelda.</p> <p>You can't really say the same for Uncharted, Killzone et all? </p> <p>Nintendo shops already do shit loads of merchandise, look at all the Pokemon and Mario stuff you can buy let alone all the custom 3DS's etc...</p> <p>What do you think's going to happen when Nintendo do a 'skylanders' with Pokemon? There's a reason the 'it prints money' gif was created.</p> <p>Plus, the are pretty much selling on a profit already with Wii U and 3DS is going crazy in Japan with Animal Crossing, then Pokemon X &amp; Y are going to knock it out of the ball park.</p> <p>Uncharted &amp; Killzone for example cost millions to make. Now compare that with the last 6 Pokemon games. There pretty much copy and paste, the budget to profit ratio must be huuuuuuge compared to a game like Killzone.</p> <p>Now, from a gaming perspective, Pokemon isn't my cup of tea, but then Killzone is a pretty shitty FPS too...</p> <p>You seem to like JRPG and such, tbh, I think you have the wrong console, a 3DS would suit you much better lol </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42248 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:46:19 +0000 polygem 42248@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>i try to explain why i think "milking" just isn't the word of choice regarding nintendo games...then dragon comes in and calls it all milking...you got to love this guy. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42247 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:43:41 +0000 Dragon246 42247@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@MG<br /> MS can knock everyone with aggressive price cuts, but they wont, since they both their board and their investors are apple envy and would want to sell everything at a profit, for better or worse.<br /> And actually, almost all of ninty franchises latest editions have performed poorly than their predecessors, so they aren't in a much good position. Too many eggs in a basket. They should try their hands in others markets (maybe toys etc.)to provide themselves a cushion. Gaming is not a biz now where you will always be in green unless you are fine with being bottom feeder.<br /> Sony should target price first (like 250 with vita) and then adjust specs according to that.<br /> It will be intriguing indeed. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42245 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:08:15 +0000 monkeygourmet 42245@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Dragon</p> <p>And thats exactklt why Sony are in a tough position.</p> <p>They can't afford to drop prices too much (look at Vita).</p> <p>They won't be getting extra revenue from ad's and media like MS.</p> <p>Their big franchises that cost millions don't sell half aswell as a simple to produce game like Pokemon.</p> <p>Effectivly they are jumping on their sword with this business model. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42244 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:26:10 +0000 Dragon246 42244@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Lex,<br /> I completely agree with you. If leaks are anything to go by, then MS is working to build a multimedia box whereas sony is focused on a pure gaming console. I also have absolutely zero interest in age old nostalgia cards played by ninty, although I cant blame them, they have a core group of people who will happily lap into any game they made, so it makes market sense to milk them continuously like they do.<br /> I am more looking forward to the diverging paths sony and ms are taking forward. How successful windows and xbox merging will be remains to be seen, although its a good step, but not my taste. If Sony can price ps4 less than 400$ at launch, they could easily have a winner in their hands. I cant see where wiiu will stand among all this.<br /> Pricing will still decide the winner imo. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886&page=2#post-42144 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:41:49 +0000 polygem 42144@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>sure lex, i get your point. i think it indeed has a lot to do with taste. i play the hell out of my 3ds for example. i love that thing. it probably even is my favourite games machine atm. honestly. but then...i just can't get enough of stuff like paper mario sticker star, shinobi, upcoming luigis mansion, animal crossing etc. combine that with castlevania, fire emblem and art academy and you have a great variety of fun stuff...it's all about taste. nothing wrong with you if it isn't your cup of tea but i don't think that there aren't enough original ideas/ games from nintendo in general. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42140 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:06:43 +0000 lexph3re 42140@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I have played most of those games on that list poly and honestly over half of them are garbage. The others are just time killers. </p> <p>Also, since the majority of your critiques are about my personal taste towards just nintendo. The reality is that for ME the big N is no longer cutting it. Bayonetta won't change that, Rayman won't change that, Wonderful 101 I can't say because off the top it doesn't look interesting to me. </p> <p>Even now on the 3ds I have little to no reason to own one. Fact is I do though. After I beat Fire Emblem and MoF theres nothing left for me. </p> <p>There is nothing wrong with me wanting Nintendo to create some more appealing characters for myself. I feel they have over done the nostalgia card for quite some time now. Quite frankly nostalgia is dead for me. On all systems. </p> <p>Killer Instinct or a Good Perfect dark won't make me like MS. A game like Gears with less testosterone and face draggin in the floor running would be great for me. An FPS that doesn't follow the mainstream influence on ms would be great too. </p> <p>I don't care where they take Drake or Kratos. The only nostalgia character I care about is Snake. I follow that dude where ever he goes. </p> <p>I just like the next new experience with Snake being the closing event. Whichever system launches with a Metal Gear game and an exclusive I think looks interesting gets bought immediately to me. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42139 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:51:26 +0000 Phoenixblight 42139@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>MS or SOny will not invest into a system that will be ahead 10 years that would be too costly and for what this info suggests that would be a 2k system and they will somehow sell it for 400$? riiiiiight. </p> <p>MS, Sony and the GPU manufacturers are looking into and investing into cloud systems so they can build a system with the idea of being good enough for the first year much like Xbox 360 and PS3 but then push cloud gaming. Hardware doesn't make a game. Just need the Ram,cpu and a good enough GPU for them to get what they want out of the system. </p> <p>This info you posted is just a compilation of dreams of every gamer. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42138 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:48:26 +0000 polygem 42138@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@lex: rayman was an example for third party support, bayonetta and 101 too. it's platinum games. </p> <p>"You never seem to get that some people are just generally tired of the same ole with Nintendo. Some people like you don't care, others do. I don't care to see characters in sub-genres or even new genres,. If they made a FPS God of War I wouldn't give 2 shites about it. Especially if I have Kratos Fatigue."</p> <p>i think you do not really look into that though.<br /> it's not just like putting mario in any random fps. galaxy is very unique gameplaywise. it is different to paper mario and to nsmb.<br /> skyward sword is different to spirit tracks and so on. all those games are high quality titles.<br /> i agree that if you have a character fatique this wont help to fall in love with a game. imo it's a strength of nintendo to take good care of their established ip's though. it's not milking or "not fresh" it totally is EVENTHOUGH they use their ol' characters. that's the trick and it works...maybe you don't like that approach and that's ok, but it just works too damn well for nintendo and i think it is a path sony should go too. it could work for them as well if they really focus on quality.</p> <p>besides, there have been many "brandnew" nintendo ip's in the recent years as well...</p> <p>just found this list. google. it isn't complete and haven't really doublechecked.<br /> i don't wanna have another ninty discussion though.<br /> maybe their games just aren't for you...must not mean that there are no new ip's, or only same ol' same ol'...</p> <p>1. WarioWare series<br /> 2. Eternal Darkness<br /> 3. Mario &amp; Luigi RPG (They’re the same characters but it’s a different series than Paper Mario or Super Mario RPG)<br /> 4. Golden Sun<br /> 5. Advance Wars (It was also on the NES and SNES, but it had a “rebirth” on the GBA)<br /> 6. Luigi’s Mansion<br /> 7. Pikmin<br /> 8. Xenoblade Chronicles<br /> 9. Baten Kaitos<br /> 10. Pandora’s Tower<br /> 11. The Last Story<br /> 12. Wii Sports<br /> 13. Wii Fit<br /> 14. Wii Play<br /> 15. Mario vs DK<br /> 16. Soma Bringer<br /> 17. Legend of Starfy<br /> 18. Elite Beat Agents<br /> 19. Rhythm Heaven<br /> 20. Fluidity<br /> 21. Endless Ocean<br /> 22. Magical Vacation/ Magical Starsign<br /> 23. Excitebots/Excite Truck<br /> 24. Legend of Starfy<br /> 25. Chibi Robo<br /> 26. Steel diver<br /> 27. Fossil Fighter<br /> 28. Art Academy<br /> 29. Glory of Heracles<br /> 30. ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat<br /> 31. Electroplankton<br /> 32. Drill Dozer<br /> 33. Art Style<br /> 34. Line Attack Heroes<br /> 35. Wii Music<br /> 36. Wii Party<br /> 37. Flingsmash<br /> 38. Disaster Day of Crisis<br /> 39. Captain Rainbow<br /> 40. Battalian Wars<br /> 41. Geist<br /> 42. Odama<br /> 43. Hamtaro<br /> 44. Meteos<br /> 45. Giftpia<br /> 46. bitGeneration<br /> 47. Art Style<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> like i said, didn't doublecheck. spotted some luigi mario dk in that list ;) </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42136 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:47:04 +0000 lexph3re 42136@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@phoenix We were specifically talking about prime and other M though. Which is when I said its another metroid. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42135 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:43:04 +0000 monkeygourmet 42135@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Link was just something I found browsing, it's at the bottom of the list.</p> <p><a href="http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/305107-Is-that-Xbox-720-architecture-diagram-Looks-like-a-monster-with-parts-ahead-of-time?p=5987489" rel="nofollow">http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/305107-Is-that-Xbox-720-architecture-diagram-Looks-like-a-monster-with-parts-ahead-of-time?p=5987489</a></p> <p>I'm not saying any of this is 100% obviously, just trying to draw a thread through some of the leaked dev info and some more spurious stuff.</p> <p>Remember there was talk of 16 cores after dev meetings and crazy specs in general. I'm not saying its bang on but I just can't see these consoles lasting 10 years (projected life cycle) without some serious power.</p> <p>Of course, it may just be a shorter generation although I don't see that happening. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42134 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:36:29 +0000 Phoenixblight 42134@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@mg Link? </p> <p>You don't post crap like that without sourcing it. </p> <p>And a lot of it is far fetched like the 2xSOC and the raytracing chip. There are none out in this day and age that is stable enough for games hell even movie CG rendering. Very much seems like a person or group of people put everything they want it to have and try to sell it as a leak. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42133 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:36:04 +0000 Sadismek 42133@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Sounds great, but then how can Microsoft price this around the $400 mark? This sounds more like $900.</p> <p>And in plus, it's too good to be true :P. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42131 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:30:11 +0000 monkeygourmet 42131@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>So Xbox 720 hardware is on this diagram:<br /> - super advanced tech by IBM-AMD-MS. Design started back in 2007 as you said in 2010.<br /> - It has APU+GPU on every SOC(system on a chip).<br /> - It has 2 of this SOCs<br /> - Each CPU in APU has 8 cores with 4 thread in each. So tolal we have 2xSOC x 8Cores x 4 threads = 16cores x 4thread=64 threads.<br /> - Each GPU in SOC is 8xxx GPU(Mars or Venus) with advanced tech not available on PC some time<br /> - Each SOC has 1.5Gb of GdDR5 memory with additiond 5 gb of shared ddr3/ddr4.<br /> - Each SOC has EDRAM. Previosly you said about 110 mb<br /> - Xbox has some other hardware features. Like RayTraycing chip(VTE on this picture).<br /> - The goals of the system design are - universal for different type of tasks, easy to parralellism, easy to fully load, zero bottlenecks an future proof as Xbox 360 design with low energy consumtion..<br /> - Some part will be upgradable later.<br /> - It should be about 4+terraflops. Of couse it will be better of every high end PC available in 2013-2014 and maybe 2015. With optimisation it have to be on pair with PC 8 years.<br /> - There will be Kinect 2.0<br /> - There will be illumiroom tech as additional feature after the launch.</p> <p>Sources said Xbox will be 2-3 time more powerfull than PS4. Most of this tech will not be available on PC and is very custom. </p> <p><a href="http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/305107-Is-that-Xbox-720-architecture-diagram-Looks-like-a-monster-with-parts-ahead-of-time?p=5987489" rel="nofollow">http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/305107-Is-that-Xbox-720-architecture-diagram-Looks-like-a-monster-with-parts-ahead-of-time?p=5987489</a></p> <p>More stuff to digest! :) </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42130 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:28:13 +0000 Phoenixblight 42130@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I encompass the entire series starting with Nintendo to SNES along with the Gamecube and Wii. Its the same IP. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7886#post-42129 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:25:12 +0000 lexph3re 42129@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Pheonix Not wrong <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Metroid-Prime-GameCube/dp/B00006IJJK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1358626894&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=metroid+prime+gamecube" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Metroid-Prime-GameCube/dp/B00006IJJK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1358626894&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=metroid+prime+gamecube</a> Metroid PRIME SERIES started on gamecube like I said and it finished on Wii. Metroid series itself started on nintendo. I didn't date myself at all </p>