http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821 Just another bbPress community en-US Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:42:00 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.vg247.com/forum/search.php http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821&page=2#post-42030 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:37:28 +0000 Christopher Jack 42030@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Gherritt I get that a larger map is more taxing, I wasn't arguing that, I was simply stating that PS3 exclusives tend to look better than X360 ones regardless of the size. Could have phrased it better but whatever. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42028 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:57:22 +0000 Meta_Dragon 42028@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Ah, the classic fanboy arguments. Throw around specs and numbers, and pretend that you know something. Always makes me laugh. Anyway, as long as the game works, then it shouldn't matter how powerful or not the machine is. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42027 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:57:51 +0000 manamana 42027@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>^ this! </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42025 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:48:25 +0000 Gheritt White 42025@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@CJ: "the size of the explorable map is irrelevant."</p> <p>Er... what? The size of the explorable map determines how much GFX oomph is at your disposal. That's why, traditionally, 1-on-1 fighters have had the best character models and effects, as they've not had to render very much else.</p> <p>Of course, it hasn't always panned out that way this gen, but that's more to do with quality failings at Namco, Capcom and Tecmo than anything else. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42022 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:47:50 +0000 Christopher Jack 42022@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Again, I don't think it looks bad, the graphics are just heavily overrated, they're good, not great, there are many other console games that look much better- that's really my entire point. Gadzooks! is just insane &amp; loves the franchise so ergo it's automatically better at everything then anything else.</p> <p>Again, I have the game, like the game, but get a grip people, the graphics aren't as great as it gets credit for.</p> <p>-Playing it right now on a fHD screen, stand by what I said. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42021 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:33:34 +0000 Joe Musashi 42021@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@CJ Your comments remind me of folk being critical of the rendering of the trees in Gran Turismo (another game I've not played). I guess that sort of stuff just isn't a big enough deal for a lot of people.</p> <p>JM </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42020 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:20:09 +0000 Gadzooks! 42020@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Take your trolling elsewhere Jack. You very obviously have no idea what you are talking about. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42019 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:04:57 +0000 Christopher Jack 42019@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>People are ignorant, bias &amp;/or retarded.</p> <p>@Joe, it looks better in stills, my main criticism is the backgrounds, they look like wallpaper. They tried to make it look good but it still isn't great. My point was it's not an ugly looking game, some nice artistic elements but it doesn't deserve the appraisal it gets for its graphics. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42018 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:04:46 +0000 Joe Musashi 42018@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I'm not a fan of Halo (or FPSs in general). I've only seen screens and vids of Halo 4 and not played it first-hand.</p> <p>That said, what I've seen looks extremely impressive. I know there's more power out there in gaming PCs (I do a lot of PC gaming myself) but Halo 4 is no slouch graphically. C'mon.</p> <p>JM </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42017 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:01:17 +0000 woe 42017@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Christopher Jack: Rubbish you say? then why has it been walking away with more best graphic awards than other game last year, so explain that? </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42016 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:56:24 +0000 Christopher Jack 42016@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>What evidence? Halo is a mediocre looking game, get over it. Enjoy it all you want just get yourself outta denial. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42015 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:50:12 +0000 Gadzooks! 42015@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I do enjoy a good change of subject in the face of actual evidence.</p> <p>Most amusing. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42012 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:35:29 +0000 Christopher Jack 42012@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>If you find Halo 4 graphically impressive, you've clearly not played a decent PC game in the past 5 years.</p> <p>I haven't played much of KZ3 but from what I remember in contrast to Halo 4, KZ3 is better, but this is from memory, not a direct comparison- I honestly don't really care. I continue to play Halo 4 so I obviously enjoy it more. But the lag- nothing infuriates me more than completing an assassin animation only to die &amp; watch the killcam of the guy I supposedly assassinated shoot next to me a few times &amp; I lay down die. </p> <p>I think it would have been better for my stress levels if they left the killcam out, it's hard knowing that you should have won an engagement but didn't because of poor local server support. Halo 3 &amp; Reach were better in this respect. Why am I constantly playing with racist Americans? Surely there's enough Aussies who bought it. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42011 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:08:28 +0000 Gadzooks! 42011@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Christopher</p> <p>Digital Foundry is calling you a big fat liar.</p> <p>They are right too. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42006 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:16:20 +0000 Telepathic.Geometry 42006@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>/proper bow</p> <p>/runs manamana through with a +5 enchanted longsword </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42002 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:02:53 +0000 manamana 42002@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Fan Wars, a new hope.</p> <p>Buy all systems, enjoy all games. Don't let a company narrow your field of view. Unless its Valve. Let Valve take over your hearts and minds. Praise Valve and you will be a better human. Praise the sun! </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42001 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:02:36 +0000 Christopher Jack 42001@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I'm sorry Woe &amp; Gadzooks but I've got Halo 4, I love Halo 4, but its graphics are rubbish, anyone who champions the sprite wallpaper they call a background is pretty ignorant about how far other games have gone in the graphics department. PS3 exclusives look far better than 'most' X360 ones, the size of the explorable map is irrelevant. Either way they still pale in comparison to PC so can we please stop this graphics debate? </p> <p>It's over, the winning team is ultimately the one who enjoys the game the most- not how many pixels are being pushed or special effects are being applied. Visuals aren't everything &amp; I think Star Wars shows us that- original trilogy&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;new trilogy. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-42000 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:28:19 +0000 AC_ThirtySix 42000@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Who cares? i will just use my ever superior PC for my gaming needs..... </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41984 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:19:44 +0000 Gadzooks! 41984@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Gheritt</p> <p>Yes, but not games development. FM web apps. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41982 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:42:58 +0000 Anonymous 41982@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>^ No hes in denial. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41980 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:56:40 +0000 Gheritt White 41980@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@Gadzooks!: Are you in dev? </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41978 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:43:52 +0000 M. K. 41978@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Who cares? As long as the games run fine on the system, I'm good. I hope Sony wont make the same mistake again and give the devs some weird system that they can't handle properly :F </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41977 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:07:02 +0000 Gadzooks! 41977@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>'When' has nothing to do with technical comparisons. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41975 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:17:36 +0000 Anonymous 41975@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@woe thats just two games that came after MGS4 years after....about time since MGS4 is a 2008 game. Woo hoo the xbox360 finally gets 2 exclusives in 2011 and 2012 that out performs a 2008 game...good comparison bro.</p> <p>@Moonwalker have you played UC3 airplane scene when it crashes in the desert. That shit looks insane and the beginning of God of war 3 with the titans are incredible too. this is all running on the supposedly inferior GPU of the PS3 mind you. Also cutscenes are in game graphics in MGS4. For a 2008 game it still holds up very well 4 years later and to most 360 exclusives.</p> <p>UC3: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLrehm7z7w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLrehm7z7w</a><br /> GOW3: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzqJswRGc8o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzqJswRGc8o</a><br /> MGS4: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Zp4nwsFA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Zp4nwsFA</a><br /> UC2: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIwl8jkyTt4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIwl8jkyTt4</a><br /> TLoU: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cVBXXFoWks" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cVBXXFoWks</a></p> <p>I'm not even going to blow your mind with the top best like KillZone 3 or Beyond. but you you get the point from a supposedly inferior GPU. ;) </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41974 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:15:50 +0000 Gadzooks! 41974@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Cutscenes, QTE-fests and narrow corridor/fixed camera games are easy places to fool the uninitiated into thinking there’s a lot of processing muscle rendering those scenes.</p> <p>The likes of GoW, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, etc.. are all extremely limited in scope. I got annoyed at constantly banging into walls, both visible and invisible, while playing these games. You don’t even get an illusion of freedom. It’s wall-to-wall walls!</p> <p>When PS3 games go with more scope the visuals take a massive hit, as you would expect. The real challenge is in making great looking games with scope, freedom and intelligent enemies.</p> <p>Witcher 2 and Halo 4 easily match the image quality of any PS3 game (Halo 4 has image quality way, way above anything on PS3), but they manage to do that whilst giving you wide open areas to explore and ancillary systems like RPG mechanics or class-leading AI.</p> <p>On paper the PS3 has more raw processing grunt. However, due to its memory architecture the way in which that power can be applied is very limited. It’s like putting bicycle tyres on a Ferrari. Lots of grunt, but little grip with which to apply it.</p> <p>Multiplatform games, of which more than 90% were noticeably better on the 360, are the only logical place to make technical platform comparisons because there you compare like-for-like.</p> <p>But this is all purely from a technical perspective. Enjoy whatever games float your boat.</p> <p>As for the next gen, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. On-paper technical specs have always been irrelevant, and always will be. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41973 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:07:00 +0000 DrDamn 41973@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>"3.2TFlops of data" - Care to explain what that means woe? </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41970 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:07:37 +0000 Moonwalker1982 41970@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@2</p> <p>Eh....Uncharted and The Last of Us? Oh yes. Beyond? Looks good but not OMFG good. MGS4?!!!!! Serious? I'm sorry but i see very little special about those graphics, in fact i was quite disappointed with the ingame graphics and especially the animations. I'm sure Xbox 360 could easily do MGS4. </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41966 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:27:28 +0000 deathm00n 41966@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>@theevilaires You said it all, I buy consoles to play games, and this gen PS had the most amazing games in my opinion, since I don't dig the style of Wii games and all it's anime japanese stuff, and xbox has gears of wars(generic TPS for me) and Halo(the most boring story of a FPS I've seen, with retard aliens, even Battlefield 3 is better in story). If I still get the good franchises PS offered me this gen, then I will go to PS. But still, the price is going to be the factor, and I always wait to buy consoles, their launch prices in brazil is horrible </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41965 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:26:04 +0000 woe 41965@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the laugh theevilaires</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdRZBfslkfw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdRZBfslkfw</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0oe_-ra4Mw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0oe_-ra4Mw</a> </p> http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=7821#post-41963 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:20:18 +0000 Anonymous 41963@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ <p>I'll take it with a grain of salt. Until final spec sheets are shown then I'll care. The PS3 is suppose to be inferior to the 360 memory and GPU but yet no 360 game looks better than MGS4 and nowhere near games like Uncharted,The Last of Us,or Beyond. And with all that power the suppose nextbox is suppose to be packing I hope their first party games line up increases to more than Forza,Halo,and Fable. </p> <p>Games will always ultimately determine where people want to play not how many triangles can be pushed per second. </p>