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VG247 Forum » Topic: Another ban wave http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586 Just another bbPress community en-US Fri, 24 May 2013 22:10:11 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.vg247.com/forum/search.php Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586&page=2#post-7680 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:38:37 +0000 Anonymous 7680@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ you talk a lot but I don't read much Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586&page=2#post-7679 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:24:23 +0000 Psychotext 7679@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ "You want to cause drama and do your citizen duty of protecting your favorite company M$." You just don't get it. This sort of crap only exists in your world. Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo could go bust tomorrow and I could say with all honestly that I wouldn't give a shit as long as someone was still making games. I honestly couldn't care less if the PS3 went on to sell 200m consoles and the 360 didn't sell another one. I would find it interesting on a business level though. :) Every gen I get every console and the companies involved are irrelevant to me. I appreciate that Sony's success is important to you... you seem to have a lot invested in it. But I really don't care about any of them, and you know why? Because they're multibillion dollar corporations that neither care about us, or even know we exist on an individual level. I do hate pirates though, and I'll support anything (including bricking consoles) a company can do to discourage them. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586&page=2#post-7678 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:13:31 +0000 Anonymous 7678@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Obviously you don't understand the term "two wrongs don't make a right" You hold no argument. You bought Sony and Nintendo into this like you did the other day with you trying to put the word XBOT in my mouth. You want to cause drama and do your citizen duty of protecting your favorite company M$. It pretty clear its ok with you that they fuck over millions just to get an edge over the competition. and who was abusing live. Did someone who "payed" for live find a way to get free stuff or something. That's abusing live. But if I mod my system to play pirated games I'm not abusing live, I'm abusing game devs. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7677 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:03:16 +0000 Psychotext 7677@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Wow... what a compelling argument. You should probably throw in another couple of digs at the Wii, and perhaps one or two more xbots and M$ for it to be truly effective though. I'm done arguing though. Your stance on this is pretty clear, to the point that you're making excuses for others. You've gone from saying it's wrong because it's wrong, to saying it's wrong because you pay for the service, and that's never going to be a valid argument because I don't know of any service which you pay for but can't lose if you abuse it. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7676 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:55:27 +0000 Anonymous 7676@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ First: To use the psp and wii's network capabilities are free and so are the services. They're not paying a sub for a service like live. So they actually don't lose their money for a service they can't use unlike the XBOTS. Second: the three year warranty is M$ fault in the first place...please have common sense to understand that and don't bring it up again. Third: anybody who upgraded their PSP while it was hacked is a dumb ass for using official firmware. That's why torrents have custom firmware for PSP available. Sony couldn't just snap their fingers and go "BAM!" you're hacked PSP is now bricked. As for the wii, fuck them because there's no reason to even hack it for you to be playing it in the first place because it has no good games. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7675 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:37:27 +0000 Psychotext 7675@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Ahh.. I see, they deserve it for providing a three year warranty and refunds to anyone that paid for repairs. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Where was your outrage when Sony and Nintendo bricked hacked machines with firmware updates? (PSP / Wii) Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7674 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:27:43 +0000 Anonymous 7674@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ hmmm funny how you keep making this a console war thing but I knew you would be the first to respond and I'm sure you see M$'s little scam as a victory for M$ against piracy but it won't stop. I highly praise the pirates for getting the most out if it as they could even if it meant piracy..why you ask...because M$ fucked them by giving every one of them faulty hardware. But that doesn't affect you because you have your RROD,and other Error 360 charts and you're doing your best to protect the xbox community...good for you. For all you Xbots that have been burned by M$ over and over continue hacking that system so you can play all the free games you like. You wanna play MW2 online (for free) then buy a PS3. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7673 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:09:21 +0000 Psychotext 7673@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ ...and that's a bad thing? If you're going to do this, of course you do it at the time it's going to have the absolute most impact. Hell, this ban wave has had quite a bit of mainstream coverage, and it's not just the magnitude that's the reason for that. I appreciate that the thought of MS possibly getting some more console sales out of these cunts might offend you though. But look on the bright side, some pirates are even saying they're going to buy a PS3 because of it. I'm sure they'll have a lot of fun trying to pirate games on that instead. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7672 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:29:47 +0000 Anonymous 7672@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ M$ has alternative motives other than getting thieves off live trust me. They did this at this very time because why kids....Let see which one of you can tell bullshit from the actual truth. scratchy69 on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7671 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:07:08 +0000 scratchy69 7671@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ You're right - that Raz guy clearly is a cunt. KingCharMing on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7665 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:44:41 +0000 KingCharMing 7665@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ "Things break" - agreed. But banned consoles aren't caused by wear and tear Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7664 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:14:20 +0000 Anonymous 7664@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ I appreciate that personal responsibility isn't that popular these days though, there's always someone else to blame. yea like that famous quote by Peter Moore- "Things Break" KingCharMing on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7663 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:55:45 +0000 KingCharMing 7663@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Gotta love them flame-wars, lol. "Ohh... I don't know, maybe a little responsibility for your own actions by checking if it's hacked or not when you get it?" SO basically you should commit piracy (by downloading or copying a game) to ensure that your machine hasnt been pirated? It really should be the store's responsibility. Not to mention that the average consumer wouldnt know where to get hold of a pirated game or that they even existed. Not everyone keeps upto date with gaming news. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7662 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:29:09 +0000 Psychotext 7662@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ "What happens when you have the system for about 6 months with no problems and then M$ does its live wave killer?" Ohh... I don't know, maybe a little responsibility for your own actions by checking if it's hacked or not when you get it? I appreciate that personal responsibility isn't that popular these days though, there's always someone else to blame. But yeah, your other suggestion was best. I might as well be talking to BDH as talking to you when you're like this. Lets be frank though, there's only one reason you're up in arms about this... and it's because of who is doing it. There is another possible reason, and it's because you're a pirate, but I don't believe that's the case. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7661 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:27 +0000 Anonymous 7661@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ They dropped it because they needed to boost their software sales and put a smile on their share holder's face. They could have easily dropped the price when M$ dropped the price of the arcade to $199 but they don't care. As much of a fanboy line that sounds they really could give a shit. They have a plan and they are sticking with it. Sony is not going to pull off some $100 rebate desperation act like M$ did last month because the PS3 slim came out and now their customers realize where the better deal is and always have been to be frank. Competition is great but when the consumers are being treated unfair its time for both sides to realize it and stand together. reask on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7660 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:01:16 +0000 reask 7660@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ And Sony dropped the PS3 to 299 because they love there customers. No because MS are dictating this gen. And if they were not the PS would still be at launch price. We could go on all night pointing out why one is bad and visa versa. Fact is imo they are both conglomerates that need competition so you and I can get a good gaming experience. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7659 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:50:50 +0000 Anonymous 7659@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ You know TEA I was just pointing out that Sony are no better when it comes to back up. You were the one that brought in the rinse and repeat tactic. First of all I made the rinse and repeat comment before you. You didn't have to bring it up again to say your point about Sony being like M$ (which they aren't) PS3 breaks after 12 months and you have to get another one. 360 breaks after 12 months they repair it for 85 Euro door to door with a full 12 month warranty. You must have never heard about the class action law suit where M$ was almost had to stop production of the 360, but they saved their ass by giving their bitched slap customers a 3 year warranty. The failure rate of the 360 has no excuse to be made for. Hard evidence proved that M$ put a faulty system on the market to beat SONY ITS FACTS READ! Don't just read this site cause Garratt don't post any bad 360 news. There's a guy who worked for M$ and came out and told the truth about the 360 and now M$ is suing him....for revealing company secrets that are true you know whats sadder...you still support a company who didn't give a shit then and don't give a shit now. The only reason why they listen to the people on live is because YOU PAY FOR IT! .....IGNORANCE I HATE IT! AGHHHHHHH! reask on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7658 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:37:53 +0000 reask 7658@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ You know TEA I was just pointing out that Sony are no better when it comes to back up. You were the one that brought in the rinse and repeat tactic. I know the PS3 does not have the same failure rate as the 360. As for the BBC thing I did not see it. We do not get the BBC player in Ireland. I was merely making the point that Sony are using the same rinse and repeat tactics. PS3 breaks after 12 months and you have to get another one. 360 breaks after 12 months they repair it for 85 Euro door to door with a full 12 month warranty. As for modded consoles well that's tough luck on your part really no matter what you buy. You know the risks involved or should know. I suppose when all is said and done both of us are looking through rose tinted glasses. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7657 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:32:52 +0000 Anonymous 7657@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ hardcore fanboy...you're the guy who put the word XBOT in my mouth in another thread when I didn't even say it. 2. you're still crying over digital 1's and 0's come on man you have it in your name FFS its just "text" you get offended don't read my comments. He's the thing, if you buy a 360 from a store and it's banned, you take it back. What happens when you have the system for about 6 months with no problems and then M$ does its live wave killer? then what mr. know-it-all? You gonna go back to the store and get a full refund or exchange on a product that has a 90 day warranty. You're real smart you know that right. Stop defending M$ and their fucked up policies you sound like a XBOT. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7656 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:15:42 +0000 Psychotext 7656@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ I really don't get you... sometimes you're quite reasonable, other times you come out as a particularly hardcore fanboy. If you want to discuss something TEA, don't start with condescending remarks, because it really does you no favours. He's the thing, if you buy a 360 from a store and it's banned, you take it back. The store gives you another one. If you buy a 360 from a person, and it's banned, you get your money back from the person. You make it sound like buying used has no risks, when in reality you don't have the slightest clue if what you're buying is 100% or not. What you posted about regarding getting one whilst your machine is broken (you're really obsessed with that by the way, ignoring the fact that the latest revision is pretty much bulletproof) is irrelevant... because it's down to the seller to check. Do you know how much time that takes? You can do it in under 30 seconds with a disc. It's just that easy. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7655 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:07:03 +0000 Anonymous 7655@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Reask a one year warranty on electronics is standard practice also you do know the failure on the PS3 is no where near that of the 360 right. Forget that little BBC episode you saw by watchdog. If that had been the 360 version every XBOT in Europe would have shown up to try and get their 360 fixed for free also. We probably would have seen you there as well looking in awe! Why should a manufacturer care about whether a second hand item works properly? I thought I had this little talk with you before the other night. Now read carefully this time so you can learn something about "word of mouth" If I buy something used from a big chain store that has to check and test the product out before they sell it as used they better stand behind their word. If it doesn't work and it fails then its the store's fault. If its working perfectly and M$ does an update that breaks it then its M$ fault. Many people buy 360's used because the one they bought RROD on them and they want another one asap. So they buy a used one and send the broken one in for repair. I'm still buying software for my used system regardless right? So if they break my used 360 that I know nothing about being hacked don't they have an obligation to repair the damages. If word got around that M$ was unfairly doing this to customers who had no knowledge about their used system being hacked by its previous owner then I could see sales dropping a lot. Stand by your product no matter what M$ and new and used have the same 64% failure rate so it doesn't matter. Psychotext on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7654 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:39:29 +0000 Psychotext 7654@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Why should a manufacturer care about whether a second hand item works properly? Do you think Ford would give a shit if I buy a used Focus and the engine fell out of it? Not likely. @Gekidami: They can also ban for cheating / abuse... but that's pretty much a last resort. Gekidami on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7653 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:37:28 +0000 Gekidami 7653@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ MS HAD to extend the warrenty though didnt they. Thats not Sony's case. reask on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7652 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:31:40 +0000 reask 7652@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ I am afraid TEA Sony are no better on the rinse and repeat tactic. If your PS goes down after 12 months you are basically shagged. No repair option. At least MS extended the rrod warranty. Just saying. Gekidami on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7651 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:16:25 +0000 Gekidami 7651@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Nope, you get your console banned for flashing your system to play pirate games, your gamerscore goes untouched and you can till use your LIVE account on any other 360. For cheating (like hacking to get gamerscore) your score gets reset and your account is marked with "cheater" (or something like that). So yeah, banned for playing pirate games, unpunished for cheating. Ireland Michael on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7650 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:10:07 +0000 Ireland Michael 7650@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Uuuuh... the getting banned was the punishment. Obviously. "yea what happens if someone buys a used 360 that happens to be modded." You make an informed purchasing decision. Or just buy one new instead. They're not exactly expensive. Gekidami on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7649 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:39:42 +0000 Gekidami 7649@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ Guy i know got banned because his console was 'flashed'. The fact that he's hacked his console to instantly get 1000 points in games has gone unpunished though. Anonymous on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7648 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:16:27 +0000 Anonymous 7648@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ yea what happens if someone buys a used 360 that happens to be modded...oops that's right M$ doesn't care because they want you to buy new and first party stuff only...that will break in about 7 months...the rinse and repeat tactic is not welcomed with electronic goods M$. freedoms_stain on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7647 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:04:45 +0000 freedoms_stain 7647@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ This Raz guy is a cunt, 30 or 40 games? I don't think he can complain at all, he's had all that gaming for £75. mescalineeyes on "Another ban wave" http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=586#post-7646 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:58:53 +0000 mescalineeyes 7646@http://www.vg247.com/forum/ my brother got banned. his only crime was buying his 360 off of ebay. and playing too much Modern Warfare -- a legit copy, might I add.