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Ubisoft attempts to explain why Assassin’s Creed: Unity’s co-op has no playable women

Wednesday, 11th June 2014 03:03 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Putting in just one playable female character would “double the work” on Assassin’s Creed: Unity, says Ubisoft, apparently believing this is a genuine excuse a rational human being would accept in the face of its stubborn lack of representation of almost half the world’s population.

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Assassin’s Creed: Unity has a new thing, and that thing is co-operative play. Get together with a handful of your buddies and solve the French Revolution, or whatever. One caveat though: all those buddies have to be represented by male avatars.

Yes, that’s right: despite putting out a great game with a female assassin protagonist (Assassin’s Creed 3: Liberation) and stuffing the multiplayer component of last few core releases with playable females, Ubisoft has now somehow forgotten how to do that and elected not to try to remember.

Speaking to VideoGamer, technical director James Therien said making female characters is just too much work.

“It was on our feature list until not too long ago, but it’s a question of focus and production. So we wanted to make sure we had the best experience for the character. A female character means that you have to redo a lot of animation, a lot of costumes. It would have doubled the work on those things,” he said, and I hope he was wiping sweat off his brow as he did it.

“And I mean it’s something the team really wanted, but we had to make a decision. It’s unfortunate, but it’s a reality of game development.”

At this point VideoGamer quite rightly pressed the issue, mentioning the resources at Ubisoft’s disposal. Assassin’s Creed: Unity, let me remind you, is being worked on by nine development teams and has been in the works for a couple of years.

Therien’s response to this perfectly reasonable query was slightly garbled by the incessant roaring assault of noise that is the setting for nearly any E3 interview, and this is probably the only reason why I’m calmly typing away at my keyboard and not actually snapping it over my knee. Here’s what VideoGamer heard:

“Again, it’s not a question of philosophy or choice in this case at all I don’t really [inaudible] it was a question of focus and a question of production,” he said.

“Yes, we have tonnes of resources, but we’re putting them into this game, and we have huge teams, nine studios working on this game and we need all of these people to make what we are doing here.”

Ah, yes – writing off the addition of female characters to your game as “too expensive” absolutely doesn’t reveal an underlying “philosophy” or “choice” of any sort. (Ubisoft, look, I have always loved you, but since you seem to have become incapable of basic understanding let me just make it clear that the entire preceding sentence was sarcasm.)

In short, Ubisoft has here trotted out a tired, stupid, constantly refuted excuse for why it has perpetuated the cycle of sexism and under-representation in the games industry; we’re going to get a bunch of bottom-dwellers telling us how “social justice warrior” we’ve become as if fighting for a better world were a negative thing; I have cancelled my Unity pre-order; and the universe goes on, uncaring, as my heart breaks just a little bit more with every dragging day. Put that in your box quotes.

Assassin’s Creed: Unity is due on PC, PS4 and Xbox One in October. It will make millions and millions of dollars.

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123 Comments

  1. Liberty Cabbage

    PRE-EMPTIVE REMINDER that if you post a comment saying “this isn’t a big deal” or “nobody cares” or “whiny feminists” then you are instantly and forevermore a complete idiot

    #1 2 months ago
  2. Alian

    I literally do not give a shit about not being able to play a female assassin, eventhough I always choose to roll as a female character.

    #2 2 months ago
  3. FrayJoker

    So they don’t have the animation or model assets for a feminine character. Why not have a character who is masculine-disguised? Have a female voice actor, and have some lines in there about “Wait, you’re actually a woman?” and “Man, binding my boobs sure sucks ass.”

    It’s kind of more plausible to the setting anyway. I doubt traditional female roles in the french revolution would have seen women joining the Assassins as socially acceptable. They all wear hoods and heavy clothing anyway, so why not take the cross dressing angle? It’s a tradition as French as Joan of Arc.

    #3 2 months ago
  4. lexph3re

    Not this again…

    #4 2 months ago
  5. salarta

    You know, this reminds me that the one time they made women playable, Liberation, they felt this pressing need to add in this dress-up game mechanic to it. As if the stale and idiotic trope of “It stars a woman, and Barbie shows women love dress-up more than anything else, so we need that mechanic!”

    Seriously, think of all the games out there that include a woman, and a dress-up mechanic. ALL major female protagonist oriented games out of Squeenix have this. 3rd Birthday, FFX-2, Lightning Returns, FF13-2, the reboot “Tomb Raider.” Bayonetta. Lollipop Chainsaw. I’m trying not to include games like Resident Evil, because those games do it for both men and women, and they’re generally not trying to emphasize the women when doing it.

    Anyway, even closer to on topic, I’ve quickly learned that aside from narrative and gameplay quality, Ubisoft itself sucks. Assassin’s Creed games are fun, but then they do stuff like withhold Desilets’ IP from him with no intent of ever doing anything with it, or this, where they make half-assed excuses for why they can’t include a woman.

    They’re essentially trying to twist the “token woman” trope into an argument for exclusion. “We can’t design a female model for only ONE playable female character! It wastes resources!” Yeah, because I’m sure there’s some unwritten law of the universe that dictates you can’t have more than one female assassin. It’s really just that impossible to do like FUSE and have two men and two women.

    Here’s the wonderful thing: I was playing Assassin’s Creed games. I stopped after the Desilets stuff happened. Now, I’d start playing them again if Ubisoft just resolved the issue with Desilets… but I still wouldn’t play this game. And I’d have said that even before we found out this policy, for the specific reason that I’m sick of playing games that are all men with no women involved. Even just one woman would make me more likely to play.

    #5 2 months ago
  6. Ponk

    Ah yes, animation and modelling becomes too difficult when you try to make a lady in a videogame, hmm yes… That must be why all of the NPCs in Unity are 100% male OH NO WAIT.

    #6 2 months ago
  7. salarta

    I didn’t even think of this until just now, but I noticed something very, VERY telling about this team’s attitude within the interview quotes. Something that can’t be brushed aside with bullshit excuses.

    “It was on our feature list until not too long ago, but it’s a question of focus and production.”

    ‘It was on our feature list.’ As in, it’s a feature. They consider being a woman to be a FEATURE. What this tells us is that, in consequence, in their minds, being male is default. You want to be not male? That’s an extra. Being female is not a matter of being one of the two most prominent genders in the world, but of being something different from normal.

    Imagine how much shit they would be in if they said “We had being black on our features list, but we figured out it would take too much work.”

    Frayjoker had it right. This is set in France. They had a wonderful opportunity to have a female assassin, perhaps even with a backstory in which the female assassin was inspired by Joan of Arc’s example. They threw it away. Because being a man is the default and being a woman is merely a feature in their eyes.

    #7 2 months ago
  8. ChristopherJack

    @Liberty Cabbage I don’t care & this isn’t a big deal for me :)
    Being serious here too. Might be nice, particularly for woman, to add an optional playable female character but it makes 0 difference to me & frankly everyone- it’s just a fucking game.

    Next people will be demanding girls in the Little Rascals He-Man Women Haters Club & a chick to replace River Phoenix in Stand by Me. We have no rights when it comes to entertainment- except to vote with our wallets, if it’s really that big of a deal people will not buy it & create a petition to Ubisoft telling them why & Ubisoft will decide what to do with THEIR product.

    #8 2 months ago
  9. Not The Eyes

    “This game doesn’t have a playable female character – SEXISM!!”

    You literally just went on about how they’d done female characters before, so what’s to complain if this entry to the series doesn’t have it in the main game? You can barely see under the hoods anyway! The vast majority of people who play these types of games are male, and then add the historical context on top, – it’s no wonder there are more men in these games. Regardless, it’s hardly that character driven any way – it’s really just a vessel/avatar, rather than a character.

    Cheer up, maybe the next assassin’s creed game will have a female lead – seems awfully silly to deprive yourself of it just because all the characters are male. I’ve never stopped myself from getting a game because it’s lead was a female, and I regularly choose females characters in the many many games where you choose your gender. There’s plenty of other games at E3 with female leads anyway.

    #9 2 months ago
  10. Not The Eyes

    @salarta being a male was default in the period in question, in term of being in combat, or being outwardly political

    #10 2 months ago
  11. Obernox

    Oh c’mon Ubi, surely you have the funds to fit a female in there.
    Why not reuse an asset from MP?

    #11 2 months ago
  12. Not The Eyes

    Additionally – the way the co-op works is that everyone sees themself as the main character, so there would be a bit of a disconnect if one saw a woman, but the other didn’t – also in terms of animation.

    #12 2 months ago
  13. salarta

    @Not The Eyes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Josephe_Theroigne_de_Mericourt#Fact_and_fiction_in_the_French_Revolution
    http://bit.ly/1kZAkQO
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Sampson
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_355

    The only reason women of the time may have been THAT outside the fighting that they were a minority among combatants was a law that explicitly forbid them from fighting. And even then, many crossdressed and pretended to be men specifically so they could keep it up.

    Assassin’s Creed could’ve co-opted this story-wise, if they have a strong enough story to Unity, to make a great narrative about how inclusive the assassins organization is at a time when the law itself forbids women from participating in these things. Instead, they decided to disregard history. And the thing is, I didn’t even do much research to find this stuff. I spent about 5-10 minutes with Google, and I immediately found material that refutes any claims that excluding women is historically accurate.

    #13 2 months ago
  14. Not The Eyes

    @salarta I’m pretty sure combat and killing in the was illegal for everyone. They wouldn’t have been outwardly political though, leading a mob, like in this game. Sure, you could justify it if you really needed to, but i guess the coop mechanic and resource they had at hand made it just not right for this entry.

    #14 2 months ago
  15. salarta

    @Not The Eyes Also, since you said E3 had plenty of female leads for games, can you name which games those are? That’s a serious question, not sarcastic. The only ones I’m aware of are Bayonetta 2, Tomb Raider, and maybe the inFAMOUS: Second Son DLC if you decide to treat that like it’s a whole separate game. Your post suggests there’s more than three.

    #15 2 months ago
  16. Not The Eyes

    @salarta Sure. So yea, as you started: Bayonetta, new Tomb Raider, and the other Lara Croft game from crystal dynamics, inFamous, Smash Bros, Destiny, Dragon Age, new Pokemon, Alien: Isolation, Mirror’s Edge 2, new fable games, throw in the Division as well and also I’m pretty sure that new Zelda game was a girl (at least that’s what the speculation is). Sure I’ve forgotten some. It’s a pretty good proportion of the games where the play can have a gender, all things considered.

    #16 2 months ago
  17. BrahManDude

    @lexph3re yeah…..femenism

    #17 2 months ago
  18. salarta

    @Not The Eyes I have two aspects of a response.

    The first is that for what you intended, your post covered things well. What you intended appears to be any game that has at least one woman in it that’s playable. It’s good that all those games have that, and it shows how bad it is for this team to exclude women in Unity when so many other companies aren’t that blind.

    However, the second portion is that you said female leads in games, not merely playable female characters, in your original post. It appears you meant “games with playable females” when you said “games with female leads,” but those are two very different things, and the latter is what I asked about. Of what you mentioned, only Mirror’s Edge 2 and Alien: Isolation count for ones I hadn’t thought of. The rest are either larger roster games, or create-your-own-character games, not truly fleshed out characters.

    #18 2 months ago
  19. Not The Eyes

    @salarta Back the hell up! So an RPG where you choose your gender, and your character is deeply developed counts as a game “perpetuating the cycle of sexism” because of the potential male lead characters, but doesn’t count against it with potential female lead characters? What kind of bat shit crazy logic is that?

    In all the games I listed, the female characters you can play as have exactly the same billing and importance as the male options. Don’t try to catch me out with semantics – the fact is there’s plenty of representation, considering the amount of women that play core games.

    #19 2 months ago
  20. salarta

    @Not The Eyes Now you’re using straw man tactics through a huge logical fallacy.

    At NO point did I ever say a game where you can create your own character, with female character options, perpetuates a cycle of sexism. That is ALL you making shit up, or imagining things that were never said. I said that those games fit your argument, but they are not games that star female leads, because female leads are games where the character is defined and developed instead of created by the player through customization options.

    The truth is, there’s not nearly enough representation. And when there IS representation, it’s very often stereotyped representation. REAL representation of women in the industry would be a huge chunk of games with a defined female protagonist that have defined characters. We HAD this about 15 years ago, when Parasite Eve, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Dino Crisis, Koudelka, Metroid and many other games have plenty of lead women along with the many men in games. Today, every single one of those women either isn’t in use anymore, has been shoved off to the side as secondary or tertiary characters to put the men on a pedestal, or have been radically redefined into forms fitting current ideas that women need to be less capable and/or more sexualized compared to men. I include the recent “Tomb Raider” in that, but even if we claim that “Lara” is a shining beacon of greatness, that’s still only one female protagonist that really stands out. Faith in Mirror’s Edge and Chell in Portal are both characters you don’t know much about, compared to the likes of Solid Snake, Dante, Master Chief, etc.

    You can keep towing your line, just know that I’m not going to buy it, because I know it’s flat out wrong. I’m old enough to know how things have changed for the worse, and fully capable of seeing through bad excuses when bad excuses are made, as in the case of Ubisoft’s supposed reason for not including women in Unity.

    #20 2 months ago
  21. lazarus_nine

    @salarta Brilliant post. Those were my thoughts exactly. And isn’t the statement about the inclusion of females as a “question of focus” clearly telling? Isn’t that the point VideoGamer was trying to make in the first place? Ubisoft spent a shitload of resources making NPCs (some female), detailed environments and particle effects and we’re supposed to believe that the inclusion of a playable female was simply a step too far? Really loved your point that their default position is ‘male’ and that being female is like getting a fucking bonus round. Female = DLC (or handheld title, in the case of Ubisoft)

    #21 2 months ago
  22. Joe Musashi

    I pointed this article out to my wife.

    “Oh God, not this shit again” was her response.

    JM

    #22 2 months ago
  23. Revolting

    This is particularly odd given that the previous AC games with multiplayer all had many and varied (and awesomely diverse) female characters.

    #23 2 months ago
  24. The_Red

    It all depends on how improved and fresh the new move-sets for new male characters are. If the 4 main players move and behave as they did in AC3-4, then yes Ubi is being a sexist, lazy asshole.

    However, if they have indeed revamped the animation trees and other aspects, then one COULD argue that doing so for a female character would have required a lot more time and money. Of course even the latter isn’t a great justification for lack of female characters in main co-op mode but using terms like “perpetuated the cycle of sexism” is too much (At least this early).

    Maybe it is a case of sexism or maybe it really took them a lot of time and money to revamp the insane animation trees for next-gen.

    Also, while I disagree with the reasoning behind Brenna’s cancellation of her pre-order, I applaud the actual action for two reasons:
    1. At least talking with your wallet.
    2. Just saying no to pre-oders in general.
    (IMO, pre-orders are like a cancer that exploit true gaming fans rather than reward them).

    #24 2 months ago
  25. salarta

    @lazarus_nine Thanks!

    @Joe Musashi And then she took out her cigar and lit it between chugs of beer.

    #25 2 months ago
  26. Llewelyn_MT

    @Brenna: Preordering games, especially from Ubisoft, is stupid in and of itself. Good for you!

    Playable female character doubles the effort to prepare world assets, write the game story, program AI, and so on? Ubisoft logic. One thing is whether or not the game should have playable female charaters. Making excuses that defy logic is what hurts the most. We are not entitled to have a choice, but we can always choose not to buy a game for any reason.

    However, like Brenna said, this game is going to make a shitload of money anyway, so why should Ubisoft bother to do any real progress in that area? If you disagree with what the game dev does, don’t buy the game! It really all comes down to your conscious choice. As long as games like that that will sell by the ton, this shit will continue. Put your money where your mind is or FTFU.

    P.S. Don’t AC games include playable female characters in multiplayer since… forever?

    #26 2 months ago
  27. AmiralPatate

    “A woman’s skill is too great to be wasted on death and destruction” would have been a better excuse. Which also wouldn’t have make them look like a-holes. Because really, who believe they don’t have the assets, time and money to do it?

    #27 2 months ago
  28. ArcticMonkey515

    It would have been better if Ubisoft just said, “Look, we have four male assassin’s because that’s the direction we wanted to go with the story in Unity.” Period. That’s it. They wouldn’t need to explain themselves beyond that.

    I don’t always agree with you, Brenna on seeing sexism in games, but when Ubisoft basically says “It’s too much work” for a game developed by nine teams it seems kinda shitty.

    I’m wondering, is Unity lead by Jade Raymond’s team?

    #28 2 months ago
  29. Legendaryboss

    Did we jusf get a glimpse of a future opinion piece reminding me of a Deep Down styled situatio?

    #29 2 months ago
  30. YoungZer0

    @Legendaryboss

    Hey, at least we can post comments now!

    Though I usually always side with the devs on this particular topic, I have to say that I’m kind of disappointed with Ubi. Considering that they had a female protagonist and female player models in multiplayer modes in the previous games.

    Oh well, it’s still their decision, antagonizing them is not helping, quite the opposite.

    #30 2 months ago
  31. FreeZZa

    I think it’s a pretty stupid excuse, but it doesn’t matter to me. To me, the connection to a character isn’t made through its gender, but its mindset. If I play a dick like Jason Brody of Far Cry 3 fame, I can’t connect with him, even though he’s a male white dude. I love Faith and Lara Croft, also liked Nilin and Aveline de Grandpré a lot and I could connect with them, even though they’re female and I’m not. I really don’t see the point in this discussion…

    #31 2 months ago
  32. ChristopherJack

    As much as Idgaf, I still think they should have included a female & a black guy (or just a single black female) just to shut everyone up about racism & sexism, you’d think it’d be standard by now in games with different protagonists- again just to shut up the accusations of racism & sexism.

    #32 2 months ago
  33. Ekona

    @ChristopherJack Make that a disabled female of colour, with an eating disorder. That’s everyone covered then.

    If the game is rubbish *because* it’s missing a woman character, then feel free to complain. If it’s excellent *despite* not having a female character, then this is a non-issue.

    #33 2 months ago
  34. unacomn

    Considering how horribly put together and loaded with filler AC4 Black Flag was, I can understand the resource shortage problem. They had 1000 people on Black Flag, and that was still an awful mess.

    Creating a main character would require a lot of work, because the detail that goes into a main character is a lot greater than what goes into NPCs or multiplayer characters. It’s not just about making a rough model and shoving it in a suit. It’s movement, fluidity, mannerism, it is a complex process, not just swapping the upper half of the character.

    If they did that, it would look like crap.

    Making a dual main character isn’t something they could do along the way, even if they put it on their to do list, up until recently. They had to start with that idea, building the game from the get go for both gender. And they didn’t. They made Arno, like they made Altair, like they made Ezio, because it worked up until now, there was no outrage, so why not do that again.

    What I worry most is that by adding the co-op, they may have axed the MP completely, since they were already driving it into the ground in Black Flag.

    I get it. I get the need to react, to see this as another studio blatantly ignoring half the demographic, relegating female characters to NPCs, propagating a culture of non involvement for females. But, please, keep in mind. This is not done out of malice, it’s not done out of ignorance. It’s done because a company built itself around launching the same game every year, and if it doesn’t churn them out on time, the whole thing goes down in flames. So they make cuts. They cut the naval combat, they just copy paste the same mission over and over again, they remove playable female characters in the campaign, they remove multiplayer modes, they do anything to get it done.

    Now, you could not buy the game, and let them drown in their own muck, ensuring the series dies in a fire (Which it should have sometime before Black Flag), or let them know that this is an issue they must address.
    Calling them sexist, calling them bigots, calling them misogynists won’t help, because they are not, you’re just clumping people that are really bad at planning with people that go out of their way to discriminate.

    #34 2 months ago
  35. salvodaze

    No female lead, no buy from me. Had enough of these bs excuses.

    #35 2 months ago
  36. POOhead

    Articles like these is why feminism is never taken seriously because fuck your first world country problems

    #36 2 months ago
  37. FeaturePreacher

    After that cash in of AC4, AC Unity was looking pretty good. Now that I see that developers place a higher priority on making sure the game functions well instead of catering to a minor part of the hardcore audience that looks for every occassion to be a victim of one thing or another, I may just need to buy one of the more expensive limited editions of this game. Between this and Metal Gear Solid V and its shapely Quiet character, 2015 is going to be a great year for people who actually like video games.

    #37 2 months ago
  38. YoungZer0

    @FeaturePreacher

    My agenda is more important than that!

    #38 2 months ago
  39. Johnnymaxx

    So, let me.get this.straight: nowadays creativr people don’t have the liberty to create a story with the characters they want, but they have to attend all demographics by including a playable character that will appeal to this demographic? Now THAT is stupid.

    I agree, their excuse is silly. They should just say: “there is no playable female because, in the universe we are creating in game, there are only male characters in the assasin’s clan.”

    Come on, it is a fiction story. There is no problem at all to games with exclusively female characters in them. I know they are few, but they are there. Should we start demanding that the next Tomb Raider should include a male playable character? Or Mirror’s Edge?

    Let the criative minds be creative. If we start pushing and forcing them to add anything jusy because “we must appeal to everyone”, it blocks their criativity skills.

    #39 2 months ago
  40. Isaaclarke37

    I don’t care if they add female assassins or not. I know i am gonna enjoy the game regardless.

    #40 2 months ago
  41. Doc Robotnik

    It’s a crappy excuse, granted, but I don’t think a game should be vilified for not including playable female characters.

    Ubisoft have made an AC with a female lead.

    Should we be asking every game why there isn’t a male or female lead ala Mass effect? Can you no longer create stories with gender specific characters?

    #41 2 months ago
  42. BrownBanana

    Does anyone really care?

    I mean, no women play videogames. Ever. How are they supposed to fit the big ass tv in the kitchen? And the controllers would just get in the way of all the sandwich-making.

    #42 2 months ago
  43. BrownBanana

    But on a serious note … and a seperate comment apparently … I don’t really care. I am a male, and i enjoy playing as a male. And I enjoy playing as a female in Tomb Raider and the like. I dont really mind, as long as the story/gameplay/environment supports the gender of the karakter.

    I suppose a female karakter in ass creed would be quite fitting. But I get into a hissing fit, just becuase Ubi do not want to use the ressources on that particular ting.

    #43 2 months ago
  44. skinymike

    I disagree with the article, until the writers know how to write good female characters and the 3d designers and artists can create “real” female characters they should just leave it. There are too many “scantly clad, ass kicking chic’s” in games which I think is more insulting than having no playable female characters. Video games aren’t the only guilty ones, movies do it too. I also understand the developers point, it will double the work, and for what? it will limit the game more than anything. That being said, we need more characters like Ellie from the last of us.

    #44 2 months ago
  45. ignoreLander

    This isn’t a big deal. I mean, nobody cares you whiny feminists.

    In all seriousness, the reason there are no women in the game is that the particular vision of the game’s designers did not envision it that way.

    I read an interview with JK Rowling where some typical female reporter asked her why, as a women, she wrote a series of books with a male hero. Her answer was along the lines of “Harry came to me as a vision, and I knew what I wanted to do. And when I had the vision, Harry was a boy, and that’s what I wrote.”

    It really is quite ridiculous for anyone to imply a creative force needs to shoehorn something in to keep your cotton candy feelings from being hurt.

    #45 2 months ago
  46. salarta

    I like how one game with a playable female lead is considered carte blanche for never representing women in the franchise as storyline playable characters ever again.

    Not every game is required to have a playable female character, this is true. It’s not required for Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid or many other games, because you’re following one specific character’s journey. Yes, a general complaint that video games don’t provide enough strong female protagonists can be made, but going after specific games there generally isn’t fair.

    But there are games that should represent women, and Unity’s premise of a full team of assassins is one of them. When you have a game that offers a range of playables, people shouldn’t have to argue for the inclusion of a female playable. It should be a given that one should be there. By not doing this, Unity is even more backward than the early 3D game days of the late 90s. Back then, games like Resident Evil gave you a choice between one man and one woman. Today, you can’t even get one woman out of four playable characters.

    I haven’t griped about it much, but I noticed during Ubisoft’s presentation this year that the only representations of women in their current slate of games have been women in need of rescue. Women cry for help in the Unity demonstration, and the Rainbow Six game involves rescuing a female hostage that has to be dragged along to get her out. Now, maybe Unity has some strong female NPCs, and maybe there are male hostages or playable women in the Rainbow Six game, we won’t know until we see more of the games. But those are the representations they decided to show off at this year’s conference.

    #46 2 months ago
  47. salarta

    Also, protip: if you have to say “nobody cares,” then you’ve just proven a LOT of people care, otherwise you wouldn’t feel like you desperately had to announce it. It would be a given.

    #47 2 months ago
  48. lubu

    >Women
    >Video Games
    choose one

    #48 2 months ago
  49. Gheritt White

    People who don’t make games weighing in on how games are made LOL.

    #49 2 months ago
  50. silkyflash

    I rarely make comments…but seriously though? The game developer said every one will be arno in co-op on their own screen, just the co-op avatars will be portrayed as males…are people who are arguing about this really care if their partners are male and all in IN HOODS i might add when youll be playing as Arno anyway? All im worried about is getting the mission done. Driving my story as arno. Their is no create-a player in AC sp. Their easnt a create a player announced for co-op side either. Just you. As. Arno so why try and make this an issue when it isnt. You play as arno someone around the world is arno. Arno is a male. Thats it its done. Im not going to miss out on a game because people want to see females as their partners CO-OP avatars. Itd be a diff issue if the co-op was create a player, where you can customize how (i say again) your PARTNERS WILL SEE YOU. Who cares i could be a trashbag monster in my partners eyes. Idgaf im still arno in mines.

    #50 2 months ago
  51. salarta

    @Gheritt White People that don’t make games assuming other people that weigh in on games don’t make games.

    #51 2 months ago
  52. silkyflash

    Another thing why is it whenever someone argues..it becomes a battle of who knows more words, and who can spell the most words roght. Its like everyone becomes an ivy-league English teacher. Id like to line up these online grammar warriors and smack them across the face with my damn keyboard like that scene from Wanted. Maybe im dim-witted or maybe its just that im prone to violence against pretentious ass holes

    #52 2 months ago
  53. YoungZer0

    @salarta

    … okay, nobody cares about cornflakes with donkey taste.

    What kind of logic is that?!

    #53 2 months ago
  54. El_MUERkO

    It’s a PR stunt, they’ll announce in the near future “oh wait we will have women after all” while thinking ‘thanks for the free publicity suckers!’

    #54 2 months ago
  55. Levester

    @salarta u actually have no idea what ur talking about. in unity theres only one lead character. each player sees themselves as the main character and the other three assassins are basically anonymous. god ur dumb. why are women so stupidly oversensitive to this stuff? does it srsly fucking matter? how about we focus on things like good gameplay/compelling stories/immersive worlds/better optimization. Besides, video games are art; Ubisoft doesnt have to give you a reason for not including female characters. They can do whatever they want.

    #55 2 months ago
  56. yeoung

    Opinions are all well and good but honestly, since when do games or any other art form have to be subjected to western society’s politically correct moral absolutism? I get the feeling that somewhere along the line, passion for the media may have gotten the better of some people, and the filter between the physical world and its guidelines/rules and the inherent abstract nature of (fictional) videogames gets omitted from the (redundant) equation.

    What stands at the base of these objections? Entitlement? Ethical restrictionism? Has the PC-mentality started to bleed over in to the ethereal realms of the intangible as well?

    As for #1; Liberty Cabbage; whilst I do not claim that nobody cares or attritbute this to panty-wadded feminists, this is a complete non-issue for those that see reason.

    Furthermore, a solution would be to start a petition, get some signatures in, and show Ubisoft why pouring additional resources into development for female characters would be a sound business proposition.

    #56 2 months ago
  57. Gheritt White

    @salarta Joe, me and 10K make games. You’re a student, so’s Erthazus.

    #57 2 months ago
  58. Gheritt White

    @yeoung Additional resources wouldn’t necessarily work here. You can’t make a baby in a month by getting nine women pregnant, after all.

    #58 2 months ago
  59. ysleiro

    Is there a history of females being athletic warrior/assassins?

    I know we are striving for equality but at one point reality will be inescapable. My female sibling will never be able to perform some of the feats her brother can. Inversely her brother will never have her flexibility.

    #59 2 months ago
  60. yeoung

    @Gheritt White: Though getting 9 women to do modelling/rigging/skinning and animating for a week straight will get you a functional female character model.

    #60 2 months ago
  61. Gheritt White

    @yeoung That depends. Adding fresh people to a team and having them familiarise themselves with the project’s state and workflow actually increases production time in the first 1 – 2 months, not decrease it. Throwing people at a problem rarely solves it (unless it’s a QA task, in which case it’s fine… usually).

    #61 2 months ago
  62. yeoung

    @Gheritt White:

    You’re misunderstanding the point, admittedly maybe not helped by my comedic retort. They have character modelers, they have animators. Usually during the production pipeline, these people have a few weeks to deliver. Given another week, they could, in theory, create an additional character with its own distinctive animations.

    Yes coming with such a solution at this point in the dev cycle will most certainly do more harm than good, but the decision was made, I’m assuming, at a time wherein said decision would be relevant. Other than that though, I feel my original point is getting sidetracked, and it’s not a matter of what resources and how and when, my point was pertaining to how (un)reasonable such a demand is in the first place.

    Yes Ubi floats a shit excuse out there, but having a shit excuse is more political correct and equally commercially viable as stating the truth. Which reiterating, from Ubi’s perspective; “either enjoy our product the way we envision it, or do not. You are in no position to demand anything. We are not a public service, we do not care for your trivial sensibilities as long as our profit margins allow us to do so. Now shut up and let me get back to bathing in money, you twats”

    #62 2 months ago
  63. Gheritt White

    @yeoung “You’re misunderstanding the point, admittedly maybe not helped by my comedic retort. They have character modelers, they have animators. Usually during the production pipeline, these people have a few weeks to deliver. Given another week, they could, in theory, create an additional character with its own distinctive animations.

    Unless that labour is a cost that’s already been attributed elsewhere.

    #63 2 months ago
  64. Not The Eyes

    @salarta Oh boy. I’m not straw manning at all – I brought up a bunch of valid games where the female protagonists are just as important as the male portagonists, and you’re trying to dismiss them because they don’t fit in some narrowly defined criteria about ‘starring lead characters’.

    And now of course, the representation there is, isn’t up to your narrowly defined standards – no one can win with people like you – you will find problems with EVERYTHING. Why do you put pre-written FPS/Action characters above all other games on some moral pedestal? I bet our characters (male or female) will be far more interesting in Dragon Age than many defined FPS characters will ever be.

    “Today, every single one of those women either isn’t in use anymore, has been shoved”

    Well as you say, there’s Lara Croft, and Faith (who is developed and is going to be further developed in Mirror’s Edge 2. Chell was developed as well, and I’m sure we’ll continue her story at some point when Valve gets around to it. Stop using some arbitrary standards about how much you care about the characters just because i proved you wrong that there isn’t any representation.

    And if this stuff somehow makes you not want to buy Assassin’s Creed etc, well good – no one wants a miserable fuck like you weighing in on it all the time – life’s too short.

    #64 2 months ago
  65. chinesefood

    @yeoung You nailed it more succinctly than anyone else. Salarta is no fool, but her entitlement is confusing.

    Ubisoft isn’t the government. They can, within reason, do whatever the hell they want. And as a business, with shareholder, it’s their job to decide what works best for them.

    Playing Assassins Creed isn’t some god given right. If it doesn’t appeal to you in its current form, start a petition and make sure to vote with your wallet.

    Going up a step – start your own gaming company and forgo cost-based business decisions and instead focus on your ethics. You could do things differently. And you might prove just how bit a gap in the market there is.

    Just don’t demand anything from a video game corporation. Because it’s business. They don’t have to justify jack – they just have to make money and balance their PR, however poor it’s been lately.

    Again, the post I’m quoting nails it. Try not to get caught up in a sexism argument. It’s totally irrelevant, and portrays you as viewing entertainment as a right.

    #65 2 months ago
  66. PSOCecil

    So, Ubisoft is openly admitting that they’re having the characters all use the same animations, and wouldn’t want, with their expected level of quality, to have female characters using male animations. As it stands, I’m sure the games already extremely expansive, and every animation like takes days to make, and longer to perfect.

    It makes sense, from an economic standpoint, why they aren’t doing this.

    This is all silly whining, but at least it’s not as silly as the whining about Capcom’s Deep Down, which has it ingrained into the plot, and these people still complain.

    @Liberty Cabbage
    I thought you people were supposed to be accepting and understanding? All I’m seeing is hatred towards those who disagree with you, about what they see is a completely valid point. Please learn to practice what you preach.

    #66 2 months ago
  67. Gheritt White

    @chinesefood Salarta isn’t female.

    #67 2 months ago
  68. salarta

    @Gheritt White And you’ve made another assumption.

    Thanks for correcting about my sex, though.

    #68 2 months ago
  69. Gheritt White

    @salarta No, I just remember your previous posts, s’all.

    Also, I’d just like to use this opportunity to remind you that I’m better than you at all things. Just saying.

    #69 2 months ago
  70. Joe Musashi

    I really like chinesefood.

    JM

    #70 2 months ago
  71. ignoreLander

    I’d also like to point out to all you folks saying “they’re annoying half their audience!!!!” that…. Um, no. Women may be half the population, but that includes all women. The 85 year-old in Nepal doesn’t give a steaming wombat turd about your game. No, what they are doing is annoying a highly excitable, highly vocal perhaps 5 to 10 percent of their audience.

    #71 2 months ago
  72. salarta

    @Gheritt White I’d like to know which ones I posted where I said I was a student, then.

    Also that’s impossible, there’s no way you’re better than me at pencil flipping. NO WAY.

    #72 2 months ago
  73. salarta

    @ignoreLander

    http://www.theesa.com/facts/gameplayer.asp

    “48% of gamers are female.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/11/report-nearly-half-gamers-are-women/?page=all

    You can try to diminish that by claiming a lot of those women are playing casual games, except that the exact same thing can be said about men. As this infographic illustrates.

    http://www.esrb.org/about/video-game-industry-statistics.jsp

    #73 2 months ago
  74. Gheritt White

    @salarta Oh, it was ages ago, in one of our first exchanges and you hadn’t realised you needed to keep your guard up and adopt a persona around these parts.

    Btw, I just flipped a pencil twelvety times behind my back with my feet while my eyes were closed and hanging off the ledge of a sixty story building.

    #74 2 months ago
  75. DarkElfa

    @salarta Show me the demographic of male/female players playing AC if you want me to care about this particular fight.

    That being said, being that AC has always attempted to be historically accurate and France was still male-centric at that time, I find in implausible that an assassin’s guild would recruit what at that time they saw as a weaker sex.

    People don’t need a reason to be offended, just an opportunity.

    #75 2 months ago
  76. Bomba Luigi

    It does sound strange. Its Ubisoft, they did it before and they have the Money, People and potential Income from the Game to do it again.

    #76 2 months ago
  77. Not The Eyes

    @salarta good job, two sources that are both the same source.

    And yes, males play casual games too – but that’s irrelevant, because more males play core games than females. Accept reality. Get over it.

    #77 2 months ago
  78. salarta

    @Gheritt White I’m really, really starting to think you have me confused with someone else entirely. I’ve been using a persona for a long time now, and I’ve only ever used this name on here.

    @DarkElfa I had a feeling you or someone else would say “give me statistics for this specific game,” and you know, nobody can give those statistics. That’s kind of the point. The guy I was responding to BSed the really small number of 5-10% for how many women play this franchise. The only statistics to fall back on are for the overall population, and those statistics say that nearly half of people playing games are women. Those statistics will definitely vary game by game, but there’s no way in hell the percentage of female players is that incredibly miniscule. If I had to take a real, educated guess, I’d say that at absolute minimum, 1/4th of the Assassin’s Creed player base is composed of women. That’s not the roughly half we see of the whole industry, but it’s still a sizable chunk, and it’s still purely guessing with a generously low estimate.

    #78 2 months ago
  79. bradk825

    Well, it didn’t end with “comments are fucking closed.” So… Big improvement.

    #79 2 months ago
  80. DarkElfa

    @salarta Why aren’t any of the characters black? Handicapped? Where are their White Knights Salarta?

    My point? When real world equality is handled, the virtual world will follow in turn. Stop wasting effort putting the cart before the horses.

    #80 2 months ago
  81. Not The Eyes

    @salarta Of course no one can give statistics for every game, but here’s a good indicator – in Mass Effect, a game lauded for it’s female version of the protagonist, that many males (including myself) chose over the male the character – STILL only 18% of players played as a female.

    #81 2 months ago
  82. Gheritt White

    @salarta By persona, I didn’t mean screen-name, I just meant attitude. I still remember our first exchange (I think it was to do with piracy or development practices, one of the two) – we actually agreed on stuff. Then the Tomb Raider reboot got revealed…

    #82 2 months ago
  83. salarta

    @Gheritt White I remember that we agreed with each other quite a bit in the beginning, but you have certain things about me wrong or mixed up with someone else. If we knew each other better, on better terms and privately, I’d tell you which ones those are. No offense intended, it’s my general policy.

    #83 2 months ago
  84. Gheritt White

    @salarta Also, you’re a cock and I hate you. :-P

    #84 2 months ago
  85. salarta

    @Gheritt White You smell! :P

    #85 2 months ago
  86. Gheritt White

    @salarta Not as much as your mum!

    #86 2 months ago
  87. yeoung

    @Not The Eyes:

    Less than a fifth, eh? Considering it’s a story-driven game with romance mechanics, I’d indeed argue that it’s quite a solid indicator. A moot point, considering my earlier assertion given this particular matter, but still that’s both an interesting and fairly surprising statistic to which I was previously unaware. Cheers.

    #87 2 months ago
  88. NotCarolKaye

    This is indefensibly sexist. I’ll prove it. The option of including only female characters was never on the table and we all know it.

    Brenna I’m so sorry to you and all other women gamers who’ve been insulted by this. It’s not fair that you should have to choose between the hobby you love or standing up for yourself. I can tell that your feelings are really hurt by this and I understand.

    #88 2 months ago
  89. Gheritt White

    @NotCarolKaye So… Super Mario 64 is sexist too, then?

    #89 2 months ago
  90. NotCarolKaye

    @Gheritt White
    If you can’t figure out for yourself why that’s different then I don’t know how to help you other than a hockey helmet and a ride on a short bus.

    #90 2 months ago
  91. silkvg247

    Ah man. Ubi, let me be honest. I was going to buy Unity but I realised I’d have to invest valuable time and effort into clicking a few buttons to make a purchase. Figured I can’t be arsed, sorry. Hey at least I’m being more honest about it than you.

    Super special stupidity bonus points:

    +1 for labelling the inclusion of my gender as a “feature”. Normally I propose counter arguments but I have to make a special case here because there is only one thing anyone should say in response.. and that is.: FUCK. YOU.
    +1 for stating a new model would double the work. Because you’d really start from scratch instead of chopping and changing an existing model?

    The absolute shite spouted here must surely be a clever publicity stunt? Bad press is still press and when they “fix” this they’re suddenly amazing.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if it went that way for surely a company as large as ubi cannot be so mentally deficient that they’d intentionally make the first “male only” 4p coop game and label 50% of the population as a “feature” they have no time for?

    I mean even games in the 80s included females. I’m looking at you gauntlet. You sexy thang.

    We’re heading to a very dark era for women gamers thanks to bullshit like this. I mean why the fuck are things heading backwards? All I can do is blacklist all ubi games henceforth and encourage other women to do the same.

    And, dear male gamers who call us drama queens.. I have nothing to say that will convince you our cause is just. I’ve tried. The issue is you lack the imagination to picture life in another person’s shoes. You lack vision, you lack empathy. You’re like the spoilt kid at school who got everything they needed and more.. the kid who can’t understand why anyone else wants what he has and calls them fools for even trying.

    #91 2 months ago
  92. Rafa_L

    It’s funny to see so many people saying “I don’t care”, like that is all that matters.

    It didn’t even cross my mind when I saw the trailer that no assassin was female, it’s not important at all to me, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t important. It is important, and it obviously is important to Brenna. Why disdain a complaint that doesn’t interest you so quickly?

    #92 2 months ago
  93. silkvg247

    @DarkElfa first things first how about we try to include 100% of the population instead of 50%.

    You’re the one putting the cart before the horse since you moved way ahead to race and ability level without tackling gender first. We are all men or women, so gender is the baseline statistic.

    #93 2 months ago
  94. caia

    After I read the article and the comments I felt the need to express my view on this subject.

    Assassin’s Creed Unity not having a female lead is not a smart move considering 46% of gamers are female, who would be appeased by even one female lead. But no, instead Ubisoft give a RUDE answer saying about how they are a ‘feature’, which is extremely offensive as it suggests that women are not important and an accessory.

    What’s even worse is that Assassin’s Creed has ALWAYS had playable female characters in the multiplayer (Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood for example), even brotherhood had female assassins to call in, and female NPC’s within the game. Which is why people are annoyed about it. Out of a possible 4 main characters not one is female. But npcs are male and female, there’s even a female on one of the posters!

    But alas, it is too hard to animate a woman like they did before, but it is eaiser to take up all the resources to copy the same man over and over and just add colour and beard variation. One of naughty dog’s animators, who worked on AC3 said on twitter about how male and female animations are practically the same. So even with NINE TEAMS working on it not one female character can be made.

    You might call me a ‘raging feminist’ or whatnot, but I believe my points are valid. And women deserve to be respected, because we are not represented enough, and because everyone came out of one. So if you say about how it ‘isn’t a big deal’ or how you ‘do not give a shit’, then you are a horrible person as you are most likely fine with women being degraded as nothing more than a ‘feature’ or a worthless npc.

    #94 2 months ago
  95. Rafa_L

    To some people talking about the time period in relation to gender, especially in this game specifically, I don’t usually curse, but you are f*cking morons. We can add technology that let us relive past lives and mystical magic artifacts to our reality, but empowering women is stretching a bit to far…

    #95 2 months ago
  96. dtyk

    Not arguing for Ubisoft, but getting a brand new engine to work well within a year is a lot of work in itself. I’d rather they not release female playable character and avoid another AC3.

    #96 2 months ago
  97. caia

    @Rafa_L especially since one of the most famous assassins during that period was a woman!

    #97 2 months ago
  98. salarta

    @Rafa_L It’s also historically false of those people to use the time period as an excuse. We know women were involved in the fighting, even if they had to crossdress to do it. The cases we know about are a small portion of all the ones that happened.

    #98 2 months ago
  99. caia

    @dtyk If you consider that 9 teams worked on this game, as well as the fact that all the difference for a female is, is two round circles. If they did release a game like what happened to AC3 then I would be worried because Ubisoft would have been employing the wrong 9 teams.

    #99 2 months ago
  100. salarta

    @caia Saying the only difference is two small circles is an overblown statement. We know that women are more than that; there’s body types, ways of walking, general facial features and symmetry, etc. You can have a very mannish woman, but honestly, I think it’s a stretch to get people to accept that just yet outside of cruel parody.

    Still, there’s no way time and effort it takes to make a playable female character would be an adequate excuse. And if absolutely nothing else, everything they’ve been saying reeks of offensively bad excuses, all while their statements smack of sexism in and of themselves. Being a woman is a feature in their eyes, touting how they come from different cultures and different faiths to blow off criticism insultingly suggests that being black or a woman or a follower of Islam is all the same thing, etc.

    #100 2 months ago
  101. DarkElfa

    @silkvg247 Go and fix the real world issues first, then worry about video games.

    #101 2 months ago
  102. Not The Eyes

    I’m gonna clear this up one last time: Females are NOT 50% of the core games audience, nowhere close – scroll up in the comments for more detailed response on that.

    Moreover, there were plenty of games with female protagonists at E3 this year. This one, for technical reasons (resources, but also due to the fact that everyone sees themselves as the main character Arno, so it would be a disconnect to have a female in coop), happens not to.

    #102 2 months ago
  103. salarta

    @silkvg247 Just ignore DarkElfa, he’s desperately trying to silence anyone that wants to change things for the better when it comes to treatment and representation of women.

    #103 2 months ago
  104. Rafa_L

    @DarkElfa Lol, that argument is so weak, it’s like saying that the police shouldn’t do anything before they solve all murder cases. Just because there are more serious things doesn’t mean we should ignore everything else. I agree that when we change society in general through education and government support, games etc will follow, but that doesn’t give them a free pass for now.

    #104 2 months ago
  105. Imperius

    Got to get those clicks… Troll bait… Who cares at this point. Grow up! Guess I’m going to have to start bitching there was never a male player for tomb raider… I mean really give it a rest.

    #105 2 months ago
  106. salarta

    @Imperius And then I can start bitching than there wasn’t a female player for God of War and Devil May Cry!

    #106 2 months ago
  107. Cycovision

    “as if fighting for a better world were a negative thing”
    What does that even have to do with a video game? Is the world inherently a bad place because it doesn’t have female player characters?

    Having choices in video games is great. And variety is great. But if a game isn’t all encompassing that doesn’t mean it’s discriminatory. Vote with your wallet I always say. Which you stated you did. And as you’ve pointed out, most people won’t care.

    #107 2 months ago
  108. BrokenSpline

    Really I am not sure what the fuss is all about. As stated the story will still revolve around the main character and these character are only what they look like to everyone else like Watch Dogs. So You want the protagonist who is a dude to look like a female? You don’t have any control on how the character looks to others soooo whats the big issue.

    “Instead of each of the four characters being their own man with their own arc in the story, each of the players simply play as the lead character Arno….”

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/gamenews.php?id=119424

    #108 2 months ago
  109. YoungZer0

    @salarta
    But are those 48% playing Assassin’s Creed? That’s the question, because they consider mobile games to be games as well, which is something most of us don’t even bother checking out. I highly doubt it. The majority of female players I know don’t care about female avatars as much as you nuts do.

    But go on, keep changing the world for the better. *LOL*

    #109 2 months ago
  110. YoungZer0

    @salarta
    “@Imperius And then I can start bitching than there wasn’t a female player for God of War and Devil May Cry!”

    Go on, you’re already bitching about every else and demanding outrageously ignorant things. It wouldn’t even make a difference. Also DMC2 had a female character. Two actually if you count in Trish as an unlockable character. Now explain to me why this is still somehow bad because of made up reason #52.

    #110 2 months ago
  111. Gheritt White

    @NotCarolKaye No, you’ll need to explain I’m afraid, instead of resorting to a frankly amateur attempt at flaming.

    Aren’t you suggesting that any game that doesn’t include the option for female-only characters is by definition sexist?

    #111 2 months ago
  112. Legendaryboss

    Da fuck! I didn’t even notice we went over 100!

    #112 2 months ago
  113. shesellsseashells

    This isn’t sexism, lol. Their games are based on historical events and whatever, in those times women were at home cooking and cleaning. Just face the fact, stop whining. Yes, I’m a woman and I particularly don’t care. I’m actually glad they put guys, they attract more women to play with handsome protagonists just like what tomb raider does to guys.
    It’s just a game, if you wanna play as a woman, play a different game… Like tomb raider! Although I must say I wish I could have played as claudia, she was a cool assassin, or even Mary read. But that’s about it.

    #113 2 months ago
  114. shesellsseashells

    @Imperius Couldn’t agree more, man. People are easily outraged. Calm the hell down, it has no affect on your life guys. If it does, you’re pretty pathetic.

    #114 2 months ago
  115. Gheritt White

    There is no Jewish player-character choice, therefore this game is anti-Semitic.

    #115 2 months ago
  116. OrbitMonkey

    Black guy hero in a stand-a-lone story, progessive. Black female heroine in a stand-a-lone story, progessiver.

    Four white dudes having a sausage fest… Bit of a step back.

    #116 2 months ago
  117. salarta

    @YoungZer0 Thanks for jumping into the DMC2 piece full force so I had the opportunity to say this!

    You see, Devil May Cry is traditionally focused on male protagonists, mainly Dante. However, they HAVE had playable female characters as unlockables. Yet, very few people have ever bitched about how later games did away with playable female character options.

    If people actually were going too far, don’t you think there would be a huge demand for Devil May Cry to provide playable women again?

    The fact you DON’T see that, and never have, shows that the complaints about Unity and Far Cry 4, mainly Unity, are not coming from people making crazy demands. They come from (mostly) perfectly reasonable people that see obvious prejudice in action and won’t blindly accept it.

    #117 2 months ago
  118. DarkElfa

    @salarta No, I’m saying that what you’re trying to do is wrong, flat out wrong. You want more women in games, that’s a noble objective, but no artist, no writer, no developer should be bullied through social media into changing their creation.

    You want to protest, protest for the creation of new games with the features you want.

    #118 2 months ago
  119. NotCarolKaye

    @Gheritt White
    Fine, here’s the difference;

    Mario is a specific character with a defined narrative role.

    These assassins are generic avatars who are broadly representative of different members of a group.

    Also, of course it was an amateur flame. Nobody’s going to pay me to call you a retard, retard.

    #119 2 months ago
  120. OrbitMonkey

    Ubisoft got lazy & have been called on it.

    It baffles me that fairly rational guys are now defending this LACK of choice.

    Theirs NO good reason for this other than some CEO saying “Yo, 14-30 yr old white dudes are the demographic!”

    Its not even about sexism, so you male rights hero’s can unbunch your boxers. Lets put variety back into our games eh?

    You cunts :)

    #120 2 months ago
  121. DarkElfa

    @OrbitMonkey I’ll give you that Ubisoft’s position would be stronger and more respectable if they had said its our game and we’ll make it our way instead of making a BS excuse, but they still have no need to justify their actions to you or anyone else. They aren’t elected officials or public employees.

    Also, way to take the women’s rights position and then call people “cunts”. Congratz, you managed to say the only things in this whole debate that actually made my wife angry.

    #121 2 months ago
  122. Cycovision

    @OrbitMonkey It’s one thing to complain about lack of variety. It’s another to say that lack of variety is sexist.

    #122 2 months ago
  123. Renwick Davis

    This is a none issue to me. I agree with the sentiment of the people who are outraged but I think this is an unnecessary battle. They should have allowed female skins (because that is all they were), but at the end of the day you are still playing as Arno regardless and the only thing that changes is how your friends see you. Its the same with Aiden Pearce in Watch Dogs multiplayer. You’re not actually playing as anyone else so who cares if I happen to look like a female to my friends when I’m still playing as Arno? It’s more important to have well-developed female characters in the story as opposed to some feature for your friends to see. I agree with more representation for females, but I think a lot of people get so concerned with female representation that they forget that anyone who isn’t a white male doesn’t get a lot representation. I don’t see people complaining that they can’t play as a non-white character. Compared to African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, and any other group of people females get a lot of representation. I can only remember a few examples of a black protagonist(only in the last 2 years), no examples of Hispanic protagonists, a few Asian protagonists, and two Native American protagonists(and one doesn’t count since he was modeled after a white guy). Having more female characters does not mean more diversity if other groups of people are excluded. Ubisoft has been very diverse with their characters in the past(Altair is Arabic, Connor is half Native American, Aveline is of African and French descent, and Adewale is a former Haitian slave), so I’m not going to write them off as being against diversity. There are lots of important battles to fight and this just isn’t one of them.

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