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PS4 and Xbox One users have higher electric bills – report

Saturday, 17 May 2014 21:20 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

A non-profit international environmental advocacy group has issued a report which details how much juice consoles in US consume while running as well as in standby mode.

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According to literature posted by the National Resources Deference Council (NRDC), Nintendo’s Wii U is more efficient than PlayStation 4 or Xbox One which showed double the energy consumption compared to PS3 and Xbox 360, respectively.

The console which used the most energy while in use was Xbox One, but Microsoft’s consoles used the most energy when in standby mode.

The report also states that in standby mode, 40% of electricity ($400 million worth) is wasted by PS4, Wii U and Xbox One. This means, that if a customers were to replace 110 million last-gen consoles with the newer ones on the market, total energy use would be enough to power the fourth-largest city in the US: Houston, Texas.

This would cost households $1 billion annually.

In the report, which you can read in PDF format here, provided suggestions on how each of these companies could reduce consumers’ electic bills while also saving energy expended by power plants which use everything from coal to solar panels.

Via Polygon.

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41 Comments

  1. Ekona

    I suspect finding an owner of any of those consoles who gives a shit would be a much harder survey to conduct ;)

    #1 12 months ago
  2. SinfulKnight

    @Ekona lol agreed.

    #2 12 months ago
  3. boiled lobster

    Unless this “report” can be published in an IEEE journal, take it for the lobbyist drivel that it is.

    #3 12 months ago
  4. Yogosan

    The amount of power these machines consume is negligible. Only a few dollars a year if you do the math.

    #4 12 months ago
  5. ij 44

    Correction –

    he console which used the most energy while in use was Xbox One

    That should be PS4, as per p.4 of the article – 137W vs 112W – again this is more evidence of the more powerful GPU in the PS4. Sorry.

    Also worth noting that at at launch both the PS3 and xbox360 drew more power than the PS4 xboxone in real absolute terms. This might be a good thing in terms of polar bears per square meter of northern climate, but in terms of bang per buck it indicates that is current generation is not as big a leap in terms of processing power as previous generations were. Boo.!

    #5 12 months ago
  6. ij 44

    (^^above^^) Well that’s some messed up markup – fix it VG247! it should have read:

    Correction – “The console which used the most energy while in use was Xbox One” – That should be PS4, as per p.4 blah blah blah etc

    #6 12 months ago
  7. gomersoul

    I always turn off my ps4, never use standby… I’m sure the amount of time I spend charging my HTC one compared to my old Nokia 3310 is much more significant to my energy bill!

    #7 12 months ago
  8. TheWulf

    I think that this is more evidence that people are too stupid to properly handle their time and unplug their machine when they’re done with it, honestly. This is a thing with the herd, ES** personality types get addicted to things, no matter what the machine (including PC). So they ram up the power usage and play for every available hour, rather than sprinkling in other activities. Then they fail to unplug their machine.

    I find that #7 is the exception, rather than the rule.

    When I’m using the computer for something other than gaming, I underclock every component I can to the point where it’s still comfortably usable to me. This means that I can greatly underclock the graphics processor. This has lead to gains in power to the point where my PC uses less power than my tablet, which makes me wish that my tablet had similar hardware-controlling capabilities (but having control over your hardware is for idiotic nerds, am I right?).

    The thing is is that the electricity used per household is non-negligible if you look at the statistics, we’re arrogantly striding into a power crisis, which is going to screw the world up badly for our children. Not that many people care about the future of their children, or theirs, since if they were less inclined by personal comforts and self-preservation instincts making them greedy and self-absorbed, they’d care more about their own footprint on the world.

    There’s no more evidence regarding how every person is born evil than in the amount they consume of the world’s resources on a daily basis. I’ve said this before, I’m sure, and I’ll say it again. Self-preservation is the root of all evil, and it’s most commonly found in extroverts who externalise and never consider their own actions, and never look inward for insight. It can be found in introverts, too, but they’re more prone to insight and spotting their own unethical behaviour. The extrovert looks outward for targets to blame, never once taking responsibility for their own actions.

    The introvert, such as I, looks inward and takes responsibility first at home by cutting down power usage, waste, and personal pollution. I’m going to do what I can to make a better world for the children, but it’s hard to do it alone. Most people are motivated by greed, arrogance, and self-absorption rather than ethics — self preservation; the desire to exist at the cost of all other creatures.

    Look at it this way — twins fight in the womb to kill the other to ensure their own survival, and that’s what most of us are doing right now. It takes great effort and philosophical understanding of self to be able to sidestep that desire in order to be selfless, that I don’t see the majority making that effort is why I find them repugnant, and it’s always easy to separate the ones that are capable of being selfless from the ones that aren’t. Most people are almost autonomous, just consuming and never giving back, hoarding and never thinking of other people. They lack ethics because they’ve never been forced to be confronted by their lack of ethics, it’s easier to go with self-preservation, it’s easier to understand. Evil is easier to understand.

    And what I see as evil is essentially the mindset of a virus in a creature that should be able to comprehend a better way of living. Consuming a host body, then moving onto the next. The average person is evil in that they’ll consume all earth has to offer, and then, when the host is dead they’ll look for another host to strip dry of resources. We’ll be a destructive force of endless consumption — the thing we usually attribute to evil faceless aliens in our media. That’s pretty much us.

    It’s worth understanding conservation and teaching it to our kids as an ethical basis because of the future we’ll have if we don’t. It’s not just about earth, but it’s about keeping what we do have alive. It’s about how, if we don’t, this beautiful world of ours will someday soon be nothing more than topographical information in a database, stored by a nomadic peoples who were both stupid and evil enough to destroy their own homes.

    And stupidity is another thing. Most of you are stupid. I’ll explain, as it is worth explaining. By this point we should be using thorium reactors for our power, but we’re not. Thorium would be cheaper, it’s incredibly plentiful, and it creates far, far, far less waste than what we’re using today. It’s being held back because switching to thorium would mean cheaper, cleaner energy, which would mean less money for those industries that provide power. The only reason we’re not using thorium reactors is to line the pockets of corporate fatcats.

    Most of you don’t know about thorium, those of you that do would rather believe that what the fatcats are telling you are true; this is what I refer to as being part of the trash herd, because this is something we could all be doing something to change, by forcing them to move over to thorium reactors. We could push them on this, but most of us can’t spare the effort, can’t spare the time, too greedy, too stupid, too evil.

    And that’s why ultimately our species will fail. We’re as stupid as we are evil.

    But if you care at all about this sort of thing, if you aren’t stupid, and you’ve managed to repress your self-preservation instinct enough to be evil? Watch your power usage for now and help those who’re trying to push for thorium-based reactors. I’m not a hippie who wants to see reactors disappear completely, but I know a better option when I see one, and one that’s being drowned by corporate dogma.

    This is the same as big pharma hiding curatives when medicines to help ease the symptoms are so, so much better. There’s been so much evidence, outright evidence, of big pharma teaching doctors to only medicate the symptoms and never the cause out there, yet we overlook it.

    Believe me, we are an evil and stupid species. There are ones out there which are no doubt more wise, more ethical, and avoid our planet like the plague. I can understand why.

    But my words are like pissing in the wind. They always are.

    #8 12 months ago
  9. Clupula

    Oh, look at that, TheWulf, spewing more diarrhea about how much better he is than the rest of the world. How very surprising. He never does that.

    I wonder if, indeed of porn, he has just has a whole bunch of pictures of himself he uses when he pleasures himself. Or maybe such a lowly human act would be too vulgar for our resident ubermensch.

    #9 12 months ago
  10. Joe Musashi

    “But my words are like pissing in the wind. They always are.”

    Hmmm.. let’s see.

    “There’s no more evidence regarding how every person is born evil than in the amount they consume of the world’s resources on a daily basis…”

    “The extrovert looks outward for targets to blame, never once taking responsibility for their own actions.

    The introvert, such as I..”

    ” It takes great effort and philosophical understanding of self to be able to sidestep that desire in order to be selfless, that I don’t see the majority making that effort is why I find them repugnant..”

    “And stupidity is another thing. Most of you are stupid….”

    “Most of you don’t know about thorium, those of you that do would rather believe that what the fatcats are telling you are true; this is what I refer to as being part of the trash herd…”

    Gee, I simply can’t work out why your audience don’t take to your sermons. What could it be?

    Also, your label-fu is off the scale!

    JM

    #10 12 months ago
  11. polygem

    @TheWulf
    Great post, good reflection and interesting read. Try not to let this stuff grow on you too much though, it can make you sick and depressed and don´t listen to fools trying to devalue your thoughts. You can share it here, everywhere, as much as you like.
    Humanity as a whole is infected with narcissism. That´s the drama of the human mind, believing that they rule the planet, that the whole universe is build around mankind and it´s desires and visions, about their interpretation of it. Look at most religions and their egocentric ignorant view. The whole species is severely sick in that regard. You can see it everyhwere, every day. Stuff like aids and cancer, terrible but not the root of the human problem. We need to accept death but that is just too much to swallow for the narcissist mind. All this results in chaos.
    Your analysis is spot on man.

    #11 12 months ago
  12. Ekona

    I’m going to go and run all my electrical goodies now for an hour at max, just to annoy TheWulf.

    Then I’ll go drive my car in a lower gear than necessary and with no destination in mind, too.

    :D

    #12 12 months ago
  13. Legendaryboss

    My Lord! Oh my God! Did everyone but TheWulf get demoted to “stupid herd” status? Fucking hell. Oh wait seven is the exception to the norm in an obvious widespread research campaign.

    #13 12 months ago
  14. Ekona

    @Legendaryboss Or maybe our opinions just differ.

    Crazy, I know, but possible.

    #14 12 months ago
  15. ManuOtaku

    Well i do own all consoles, and i do always disconect them from the plug. With 360 it is hard though, i have to input manually all the time i power it, the date, time zone, etc, the ps3 for example keeps the track of this, plug or not.

    #15 12 months ago
  16. polygem

    @Legendaryboss hey remember your job!

    #16 12 months ago
  17. Gekidami

    Seriously Wulf, fuck off.

    Oh and unsurprisingly Polygem, our resident martyr and defender of the down-trodden takes no issue with any of Wulf’s posts. No matter the fact they’re always without exception the most condescending, passive aggressive, labelling, generalising and insulting comments on the site. But i guess he isnt on Poly’s arbitrary “hit list” of big bad interweb bullies.

    “Humanity as a whole is infected with narcissism”
    Wulf of course would be the prime example to of that. He’s only one step away from calling himself ‘der PC Herrenrasse’ and “console gamers ‘Untermensch’.

    Though that does raise an interesting question; Why are PC gamers who comment on this site so bitter and full of rage all the time? Why do they always act like video gamings answer to the the Nazi party?

    #17 12 months ago
  18. polygem

    @Gekidami: the wulf is an angry young man and a thinker. sure. he didn´t insult anyone personally here at all though unlike you and a lot of other posters do all the time. same thing happened here as a feedback to the wulfs post. it´s not the wulf being aggressive here, calling out others personally. his post isn´t the problem at all. he also explained in detail in a thread that he sometimes fails to find the right words to express his opinion – but he does not attack other users. the moment he did, he apologised. the wulfs post was a great read…your constant internet bullying bullshit isn´t. simple as that.

    #18 12 months ago
  19. Gekidami

    @polygem
    He’s no thinker, he’s a blatant narcissist who thinks he’s superior to everyone else and clearly says so in every post he makes. He doesnt need to insult anyone personally when he’s insulting EVERYONE at the same time, all the time. Wulf’s sole purpose on this site is to say how stupid everyone is, to attack everyone that isnt him.

    Of course its no surprise you’d defend the most aggressive person on the site. Because you’re the biggest hypocrite around.

    I just want to point out as a side note, that ‘TheMan’ (whose actual name i cant say) was banned for doing what Wulf is doing. That is having everyone of his comments being a means to belittle others and besides calling a group of people names, never actually partaking in any form of conversation.

    People keep talking about a “toxic environment”, Pat says he wants to deal with it. Well here we have someone who can do nothing but generalise everyone, saying they’re all idiots in massive pointless diatribes. Its tiresome.

    #19 12 months ago
  20. Legendaryboss

    @Polygem
    You must be living in a land of imagination if you think TheWulf didn’t insult anyone. It is right there in his post, in black and white for all to see.

    My “job” as mod doesn’t stop me from having a viewpoint and frankly i’m quite sick of being reminded of mod status by the same person in every single discussion where he is present. You don’t like decision, yes we heard you 20+ times move the fuck on.

    #20 12 months ago
  21. fihar

    Why are you guys still replying to whatever poly and Wulf posted?

    Self-restraint is a beautiful thing guys.

    #21 12 months ago
  22. Clupula

    The one thing I will give Poly is that he will actually continue to discuss the things he disagrees with people on.

    TheWulf’s superiority complex is so ridiculous that he will make giant proclamations, like he’s Moses giving the Ten Commandments to the rest of us and then, that’s it, not open to discussion, TheWulf has spoken and will not speak again

    It’s irritating because it’s the worst kind of pretension.

    #22 12 months ago
  23. CyberMarco

    @TheWulf

    https://i.imgur.com/i6k77tw.gif

    Also, is this you in this movie?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEFj0Pngu_E

    If you’ll excuse me now, I’ll just go to smash my head because the facepalms aren’t enough!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Od1OaHsYY

    #23 12 months ago
  24. Dragon

    I vote Wulf for the president to USA. He and Justin Bieber will make Uncle Sam an unstoppable force against communist China.

    #24 12 months ago
  25. Obernox

    Somebody needs to take the keyboard away from Wulf.

    #25 12 months ago
  26. Clupula

    Canada isn’t a part of the United States, yet. It’s a completely separate country.

    And there isn’t a president of North America, at the moment.

    #26 12 months ago
  27. ManuOtaku

    Well for the wulf comments, i want to point point out, he did said most of you, not everyone, and then as specied, which he included himself, said we are evil and stupid.
    For me personally, he is not insulting for the sake of it, in his reasoning he makes point of human stupidity, of most of us, and he includes himself as a part of the human race. And our Actions as species most of the time are stupid, we are the only animal that stumbles with the same rock twice.
    There Are far worst things in this site, like constant personal labeling.

    #27 12 months ago
  28. polygem

    cannot post here anymore…

    #28 12 months ago
  29. polygem

    seriously, anyone else experiencing this? can´t post my next essay :D but shoter posts seem to be working. weird…

    #29 12 months ago
  30. Hcw87

    If TheWulf had a button to wipe everyone he didn’t like off the planet, he’d push it.

    And he has the balls to call other people sociopaths.

    Funfact:

    Sociopath-

    ”A person with antisocial personality disorder. Probably the most widely recognized personality disorder. A sociopath is often well liked because of their charm and high charisma, but they do not usually care about other people. They think mainly of themselves and often blame others for the things that they do. They have a complete disregard for rules and lie constantly. They seldom feel guilt or learn from punishments. Though some sociopaths have become murders, most reveal their sociopathy through less deadly and sensational means. ”

    Now who does that remind us of?

    #30 12 months ago
  31. Gekidami

    @polygem
    Chances are you’re using a banned word.

    #31 12 months ago
  32. polygem

    Gekidami:
    The Wulf didn´t attack anyone on this site in his post – not even close to that. I can´t see it, Where is it? By saying stuff like “And stupidity is another thing. Most of you are stupid”? You are feeling personally attacked by stuff like that eventhough it is clear in the context that he´s talking about the human species as a whole?

    If so, i believe that you should look at yourself a bit more carefully, why are you having a problem with it, because to me this just reads like an angry young man being massively disappointed by his fellow men (for a good reason). Also you are selective because you can find stuff like this in his post as well: “Believe me, we are an evil and stupid species” That´s pretty much including himself right there as well so your criticism is very selective and one dimensional and therefore doesn´t make much sense.

    Maybe he doesn´t find the most diplomatic words to express his opinion sometimes (he explained why that´s the case elsewhere though and i appreciate his openness and ability for selfreflection. was a brave move – but the same ol´gang just jumped on it again anyway personally attacking him in the meanest form, so no matter what he does, some of you guys will be there no matter what, you can count on that. it´s not the wulfs fault at all).

    again geki, it´s not so much a problem if you are saying everyone is an idiot – pointing out certain posters directly and continuing to do that on and on and on – that´s creating a toxic environment and that´s something you and a lot of other guys around here have to finally understand. Yes, i wouldn´t count myself completely out in that regard either but there is a HUGE difference between the wulfs post above and that behaviour. Huge difference.

    you can disagree with the wulfs post, sure, but he´s not doing any harm to anyone. laughing about the posts, devaluing them calling them narcissictic essays, telling him to fuck off etc etc. that´s doing harm, that´s aggressive, that´s toxic, that needs to stop. Let the wulf share his point of view. Try not to mock him for that. He did not attack anyone at all.

    LB: „Oh Lord! Oh my God!“ stuff like that only helps to spark a fire. It´s not expressing an opinion or a viewpoint it´s poking another poster and it is disrespectful to that posters content. As a mod, stuff like this is untolerable. I can continue telling you that as often as i desire. you could start to change it, then i wouldn´t have to remind you “in every single discussion”. that´s pretty much only because of you being passive aggressive 247 – stop that and i wont have to call it out anymore. Do me and yourself a favour and don´t instareply to this again saying that this has nothing to do with you and your posting behaviour, not even slightly, that i am only putting words into your mouth – take a few seconds and think about it. it´s not a weakness to realise your own faults at some point and say you´re sorry for being a bit off. It would actually show some strength because it takes some courage to do that. the wulf did it. he´s not a bad guy, eventhough you might not share his point of view…you could learn something from him.

    #32 12 months ago
  33. Gekidami

    I’m not having another go in this ride, Poly. All i will say is that this just shows how selective and how much of a hypocrite you are.

    #33 12 months ago
  34. polygem

    @Gekidami:

    that´s fine with me geki. serioulsy, i am sure we´ll dance the dance anohter time at some point soon enough.

    :D

    it´s all good…just a bunch of guys massively disagreeing about things. happens all the time.

    #34 12 months ago
  35. Legendaryboss

    1. Disrespectful? Thats just funny, oh okay putting people in a “stupid herd” is completely fine but a jokingly overdramatic response is disrespectful.
    2. You can’t dictate what a viewpoint or opinion is, you can’t play internet God.
    3. Spark a fire? With you? Not Thewulf? That says it all. Nothing is wrong with post 13.
    4. You wouldn’t have to remind me? Have to? Again, that says it all.
    5. That post is just further proof you are not reading what i’m saying. Saying this has nothing to do with me? One more time, if i didn’t i say it you can’t claim i said it. The fact that you can’t even prove that just says it all.
    6. Prove your claims, its just airless venting otherwise. My final response.

    #35 12 months ago
  36. polygem

    @Legendaryboss
    1. It is disrespectful because it directly disrespects a certain users post and tries to devalue it by trying to mock that poster. putting people in a ´stupid herd´might be disrespectful to the human species as a whole :D but it is not disrespectful to a certain poster and that my friend makes ALL the difference in this context. ALL the difference. That you can´t see that is unbelieveable really but well, you are in denial a lot, i know.
    2. I am not dictating a viewpoint at all and i never have, i just post my analysis of the situation. feel free to disagree but please stop complaining about it. this is a discussion. nothing else. we disagree. a lot. deal with it. i am not playing internet god either. i told you before, don´t be surprised to get shit thrown back at you when you are throwing shit yourself. it really is that simple.
    3. Yep, you sparked a fire there or at least you tried it, yet again. That´s right.
    4. It seems like i really have to since you just wont learn it by yourself. (You don´t “have to” reply if you don´t want to though…hmmm)
    5. Denial
    6. I think i did a pretty good job doing just that in my last post. pretty good job.

    #36 12 months ago
  37. polygem

    *3. Yep, you sparked a fire there or at least you tried it, yet again. That´s right.
    EDIT: not with me of course, no, with the wulf, he´s a calm and respectful guy though and clever enough not to get triggered by it :D

    #37 12 months ago
  38. Joe Musashi

    Logically:

    TheWulf’s generalisms are either:
    a) Inclusive (and therefore do apply at an individual level)
    or
    b) Exclusive (and therefore do not apply at an individual level)

    When plea that the case is (a) to insist that TheWulf’s remarks do not cause any offense, you cannot then plea the case of (b) and present TheWulf as a noble martyr for having his comments apply at an individual level – himself.

    It can be one or the other, not both. Arguing both is to exhibit double-standards.

    Efforts at semantic twisting and turning will only prove to be more damning.

    JM

    #38 12 months ago
  39. polygem

    olala, now we´re discussing videogames on a (very pseudo) brain science, neuro science level.
    the wulfs post is just c.) an opinion noone has to agree with and d.) disagreeing with it doesn´t justify personal insults.

    #39 12 months ago
  40. Joe Musashi

    Logic is not ‘neuro’ or ‘brain’ science.

    Such labelling.
    Very disrespect.

    JM

    #40 12 months ago
  41. polygem

    “Yes, i wouldn´t count myself completely out in that regard either”

    the terms you used……well, you know that already,

    #41 12 months ago

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