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Bayonetta 2 producer comments on “pedantic port-begging,” for PS3 & Xbox 360 version

Thursday, 12th December 2013 11:58 GMT By Dave Cook

Bayonetta 2 developer Platinum Games is bringing its hack-and-slash sequel to Wii U via Nintendo, yet gamers are still asking the studio for a PS3 and Xbox 360 edition. Creative Producer JP Kellams has said on Twitter that he’s tired of “pedantic port-begging.”

As spotted by MyNintendoNews, Kellams took to Twitter and had this to say:

What do you make of the above?

Via Nintendo Life.

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  1. silkvg247

    Ouch.. not great PR.

    Hey the fans want a port.. I’ll insult them! :-)

    #1 4 months ago
  2. Francis O

    These people need to quit crying. This game wouldn’t be made if it wasn’t for Nintendo.

    If you want to play TitanFall: You Need a Xbox

    If you want to play The Order 1886: You Need PlayStation

    If you want to play Bayonetta 2: You Need Nintendo

    - These port-beggers need to shut up, its pathetic. Crying to a developer on Facebook? Get a life.

    #2 4 months ago
  3. polygem

    i paid 199€ for my wiiu…brandnew. instead of complaining people could sell their ol’ xboxes and playstations and just buy one of those wiius with their money. i’ve heard it’s a nice console.

    #3 4 months ago
  4. xxxGamesMasterxxx

    I’m with you Francis. I own a PS3 but i’m not crying all the time for Titanfall on Xbox 360. People need to know that exclusives are exclusives just as you said above and stop bitching.

    #4 4 months ago
  5. silkvg247

    I’d gladly sell my xbox360 to chip towards a WiiU but missus won’t let me. It sits there gathering dust.

    #5 4 months ago
  6. Dave Cook

    I think he’s right, but could have worded it better.

    This is like moaning because Killzone: Shadow Fall isn’t coming to Xbox One.

    Bayonetta 2 is being published by Nintendo because no one else wanted it.

    Would it be better for the game to simply not exist at all?

    #6 4 months ago
  7. Dragon

    While I can understand the sentiment, statements like this will only sever ties with their fanbase, which already exists outside ninty ecosystem.

    This game feels like it will fail massively like W101, which would be a shame. Platinum makes great games.

    Then again, Ninty paid for exclusivity, something fans should realise.

    #7 4 months ago
  8. lexph3re

    People should just buy the console that has the games they love. They don’t need to sell their 360 or ps3. But plan out how to get their wii u and this game.

    If metal gear was exclusive on wii u Id buy that shit. Not because I’m a fan of Nintendo but a fan of the game. And I will support the exclusives that gives me reasons to even own a platform. This isn’t my reason to own a wii u but X? I’m buying that ish asap

    #8 4 months ago
  9. monkeygourmet

    The Wii U is running purely off these exclusives. Everyone has enough to go round (doesn’t matter which console you own), and, if it gets to the point you are desperate to play one of them…

    open your wallet! :)

    It’s always been the same for me, I wanted to play Sonic, I bought a Megadrive. I wanted to play Tekken, I bought a PS1…

    You really can’t expect every game you want to play to come out for the system you own.

    #9 4 months ago
  10. Blastiel

    Statement could have been worded better and granted if you want exclusives then you have to get the console they are on BUT…

    This is a Wii U Exclusive so once it sells on the 10′s of 10′s to whatever core Wii U owners still have one and still one this they will be BEGGING to publish it on other platforms just to make some money back on what is ultimately a wasted endeavour.

    #10 4 months ago
  11. Bomba Luigi

    “Bayonetta 2 is being published by Nintendo because no one else wanted it.

    Would it be better for the game to simply not exist at all?”

    Why so many People don’t get that is beyond my imagination. Someone who calls himself a Fan should be happy that the Game can be made.

    #11 4 months ago
  12. Erthazus

    Ninty didn’t paid for exclusivity. It is a publisher.

    This is a very different relationship and situation.

    #12 4 months ago
  13. tenthousandgothsonacid

    He’d have more of a leg to stand on if stuff didn’t normally release on all platforms eventually.

    Even Shite-anfall(*) will end up on the ps4 eventually.

    (*) A-ha ! See what I did there ?

    #13 4 months ago
  14. tenthousandgothsonacid

    @13 Should probably be Shite&Fail

    Does Titanfall have an official derogatory pun yet ?

    #14 4 months ago
  15. monkeygourmet

    Wii U fails…

    Units become really cheap.

    People start picking them up alongside titles such as Bayonetta 2 (which now goes for £400 on ebay, yes Im buying 2 copies…), Zombi U, Wonderful 101…

    Love them…

    Say: “Why didn’t I play these when they were out?!”

    O_o

    #15 4 months ago
  16. polygem

    @7: really depends on how you define ‘fail’.
    if you only measure everything by it’s actual sales then maybe. thing is: that’s only one side of the coin. a good game stays a good game forever. it will build up your reputation in the long run even if it did not sell well. making good games always pays off in the end.

    @8: sure, but some just don’t have the cash or don’t want 6 consoles connected to their tv’s. if you’re sitting on a 360 and a ps3 it could make sense to let one go and buy a wiiu for that money. it’s a fading gen and spicing your gaming with some fresh hardware can sometimes cure a fatigue /taking a break helps too but that’s actually harder :)

    i personally HATE to have my room clustered with consoles. atm i only have a wiiu and a ps4 plus the handhelds and i am superhappy with that. don’t think i will buy into anything else anytime soon.

    you loose money by trading in but sometimes it makes a lot of sense anyway.
    you’ve played on the systems, had a good time, it’s only fair to pay for that the moment you trade something in. this only isn’t working if you then buy these machines AGAIN :)

    #16 4 months ago
  17. fihar

    I don’t think there’s any need for him to sugarcoat his words really.
    His second tweet is self-explanatory. I mean, it’s been a year and people are still begging for it to be ported?

    They’re people too you know, being pestered for a year over a single thing that they can’t do anything about has got to be pretty damn annoying.

    #17 4 months ago
  18. Joe Musashi

    I am fond of Platinum, but this is exactly the wrong way to publicly react to fans of your output asking for more of it.

    Regardless of the ins and outs of the realities of Bayo2 coming to other platforms (hint: it’s not) it’s not a great mentality to display. The least you do is make some meaningless guff about how you love your fans etc etc.

    If you want to play TitanFall: You Need a Xbox

    No you don’t.

    JM

    #18 4 months ago
  19. monkeygourmet

    ^

    Pedantic much? (ironic, considering the thread). Use ya brains and insert (xxx exclusive game)…

    “If you want to play Halo: You Need a Xbox”

    You knew what he meant.

    #19 4 months ago
  20. YoungZer0

    Some games are just platform exclusive and they will stay that way.

    Shut up. Let them work. The end.

    #20 4 months ago
  21. Bomba Luigi

    @19: Well, if you wanna play just something named Halo theres some available for PC and some for Smartphones :P

    #21 4 months ago
  22. OmegaSlayer

    Bayonetta makes lots of clamour because it’s something really fucked up as nothing we ever witnessed in the industry.
    In some ways it shows everything that is WRONG in the industry.
    I’ll try to make this whole idea clear.

    Bayonetta was released on PS3/360.
    Platinum developed only the 360 version then Sega handed the port to an internal developer which made a big crappy port.
    A port that was later patched with help from Sony development studios.
    The game sold WELL on both platforms with the worst PS3 version outselling the 360 version by 200000 copies.
    Bayonetta sold between 1,3 and 2 millions copies combined on the 2 platforms, sources are not coherent.
    The development of Bayonetta 2 started for platforms different than WiiU as a game journalist revealed in a twit.
    (Searching for it but I remember it clear as a day that he was making a deal for Bayo2 on the cover of his magazine and it wasn’t on WiiU)
    Then SEGA fell into financial troubles and cutsome games, and there was a rumour Bayonetta was canned.
    Then Bayonetta 2 was announced as a WiiU exclusive saying Nintendo funded it.
    People says that Nintendo made Bayo2 possible.
    I say that Bayo2 wouldn’t mean anything if there wasn’t people buying and appreciating Bayonetta.
    If Bayonetta would have been released on Wii or WiiU it would have sold as W101.
    So, the success, that little bit of success Bayonetta as a franchise has is due to PS360 owners.

    Now, if there’s something bad is third parties going exclusive.
    Development costs are huge and putting the game on more consoles and trying to generate more revenue is healthy.

    Still dumber is “selling” a franchise to another “demographic”.
    It’s the case of Resident Evil 4, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta and Final Fantasy VII.
    Though…Final Fantasy VII and RE4 were developed for systems that were able to accomplish a huge vision that competition couldn’t reach…which is not the case with WiiU
    Anyway, in the moment you swap camp, you alienate the same people that made you succesful, which is a donkey ass move.
    Trying to reach another fanbase/demographic is like saying: “we spit on the money you gave us so far”
    If you change, you don’t spit on the face of people that didn’t gave you money, you spit on the face of the people that gave you money.

    It’s whiney and stupid to complain that you get port begging requests.
    You only show how bad a decision you made and how you pissed fans with a poor business decision.

    Platinum could have started a kickstart instead of accepting a moneyhat.

    Add to that the WiiU situation, a piece of hardware that is really hard to love if you’re not a long time Nintendo fan, a machine that would probably only get dust under your TV.
    An hardware where even Mario doesn’t sell enough.

    I’m a guy that begs for a port and I don’t see one reason why this it is considered bad.
    What Platinum/Sega did went too far in terms of making people deluded and upset.

    At this point imho Sega should give back the moneyhat to Nintendo and broke the exclusivity deal

    Also…the IP is still property of SEGA, so it’s ultimately to Sega to decide on the franchise even if Nintendo put money on it.

    And Kellams is a poor sissy that has no spine nor charme nor smartness to deal with people.

    #22 4 months ago
  23. Francis O

    @18 – Joe

    - Ah, you’re probably one of those butt hurt fans crying on Facebook.

    @Dragon

    - Or it could sell well like Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate has on Wii U. Mad World on Wii outsold Anarchy Reigns on the PS3 and Xbox 360…combined by about 500,000 units.

    So you never know. Bayonetta 2 will be a better game than the Wonderful 101 and the Wii U’s install base will be a lot higher then.

    #23 4 months ago
  24. Luciferous

    I would rather play Bayo 2 on the platform I played the original on, I know there won’t be anything brought forward from the old save files but it feels inherently wrong playing a franchise across different platforms… So how about porting the original to WiiU I’ll happily play the original again and I do plan on picking up a WiiU when either Zelda U or X comes out, until then there isn’t anything on the console that screams at me to buy it.

    #24 4 months ago
  25. Creepy

    Good, good, keep reminding him about all the fans and potential sales he lost. Call yourself a whore, expect to be treated like one.

    #25 4 months ago
  26. monkeygourmet

    @22

    Argh!!! (explodes!) :D

    Okay, change Halo to Project Spark…

    #26 4 months ago
  27. OmegaSlayer

    @26
    Yeah, Platinum should be flattered, not annoyed but yeah, they’re just sell outs and it itches and aches to know they fucked up big time.

    #27 4 months ago
  28. monkeygourmet

    @Omega

    If you hadn’t spent all your money on a blow up Bayonetta sex doll, you may have had enough to buy a Wii U and this game.

    #28 4 months ago
  29. bradk825

    Exclusives are exclusives and no amount of whining will change that, but for him to intentionally be insulting toward people who want to be customers makes him a class A dick no matter how you want to look at it.

    #29 4 months ago
  30. xxxGamesMasterxxx

    “Nintendo needs more mature titles.”

    They fund and publish Bayonetta 2.

    “WTF NINTENDO, YOU CAN’T HAVE THAT.”

    #30 4 months ago
  31. CPC_RedDawn

    #2 Francis O

    Just thought I would let you in on a secret, Titanfall is a times exclusive but will also release on PC the same time as the Xbox One and 360 version and then eventually get ported to PS4 and maybe Wii U.

    So no you don’t need an Xbox One to play Titanfall, whereas you DO need a PS4 for The Order 1866 and you DO need a Wii U to play Bayonetta 2.

    Just some inside info for you, but sssshhh don’t tell anyone.

    #31 4 months ago
  32. manamana

    ^ what he said. Btw. Did you played on the Amstrad CPC, just wondering? Was a great machine.

    #32 4 months ago
  33. Francis O

    @32 CPC RedDawn

    - From what I’ve heard, TitanFall is not a timed exclusive. And the sequel could come to PS4 ect

    - And yes, I know its coming to PC, but that’s windows or owned by Microsoft, you get the point.

    - And I never said you need a “Xbox One” to play Titanfall, I said you need Xbox.

    Meaning most people, or console gamers without a rig, will need a “Xbox” console.

    Nice attempt at being a smartass though, I’ll give you credit for that. Too bad your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

    but sssshhhh, I won’t tell anyone.

    #33 4 months ago
  34. zoopdeloop

    quite rude of him given that Bayonetta’s fanbase began on 360 and ps3.On the other hand fans should stop whining about it and accept it altogether.

    As for the “no one wanted to publish it”i think they exaggerate a bit
    They simply didn’t knocked many doors,they didn’t get a direct response from the ones they knocked(bad timing i guess)while Nintendo was positive from the start…good for them

    #34 4 months ago
  35. bradk825

    @32 Respawn has come out and said it’s NOT a timed exclusive. The sequel may come to Sony though.

    #35 4 months ago
  36. salarta

    His reaction is understandable. Unlike a lot of cases, I think this time it’s not a sign of dislike for fans in any way, but a sign of frustration that they’ve explained the situation on their end as thoroughly as possible, why they have to publish with Nintendo and can’t go elsewhere even if they wanted to, and they still have people asking for a port.

    #36 4 months ago
  37. DrDamn

    How are they being pedantic? That’s the real question ;)

    #37 4 months ago
  38. polygem

    #31 + 1

    this also shows exactly how complaining on the internet works…it sure must be frustrating for devs and pubs. they can never do it right :)

    #38 4 months ago
  39. bradk825

    Of course he’s frustrated and right to be, but he’s still a business person and should behave professionally. At my organization that kind of thing wouldn’t fly. He was intentionally rude to would-be customers who want his product. Frustrated-and-right or not, he’s still a dick, ;)

    #39 4 months ago
  40. OmegaSlayer

    @29
    Besides your stupid sexual jokes…
    If I had Rupert Murdoch’s money I wouldn’t still buy a WiiU.
    Thinking to have money and purchasing something just cause to use it once is childish.

    I guess with this mentality YOU are the one who would go with whores if you had the money.

    #40 4 months ago
  41. Francis O

    @41 OmegaSlayer

    If you don’t want to buy a Wii U to play Bayonetta 2, this stop crying like a little bitch on these comments sections.

    The game is ONLY being made because Nintendo funded it. MS and Sony DIDN’T WANT IT.

    Why can’t you get this through your head? Your F**king essay you wrote won’t change a thing, neither will your salty tears of butthurtness.

    Its a Wii U exclusive – DEAL WITH IT

    #41 4 months ago
  42. polygem

    i’d rather make business with an honest but rude guy than with all those ass kissers that make jokes behind closed doors.

    it would be a perfect world :)

    #42 4 months ago
  43. monkeygourmet

    @41

    “Besides your stupid sexual jokes…”

    Ends his comment with a sexual joke…

    O_o

    I was trying to lighten your rant somewhat, it obviously back fired. I could have easily just said what everyone else has been saying everytime this conversation came up:

    MS & Sony didn’t want your precious Bayonetta. Nintendo put a ring on it and thats all there is to it.

    If you love the game that much, buy a Wii U…

    Whats that? You’ll only play on it once? What about Wonderful 101, X etc… etc… You must have your head up your arse if you can only find one game to play on the system.

    If thats truely the case then you’ll just have to get over it or play it at a friends house. It’s not a big problem…

    Or, better still… Wait about 10 years till you’ve calmed down and buy my 2nd copy of Bayonetta off EBay for £450… :)

    #43 4 months ago
  44. Cobra951

    @42: Did he really deserve that much of a dick post? I don’t know the history between you two. Whatever. It just seemed excessive.

    I never played Bayonetta. So this is sort of an education for me. I can see why there is a contingent of angry fans. Rather than getting insulting, this guy should deal with it, the same way he expects longtime fans of the franchise to deal with it. The WiiU is not exactly a mainstream machine. Buying it for just this game? I wouldn’t. But I did buy an N64 just for Mario 64. I was happy that other worthy games came along for that system, but Mario alone sold it to me. I guess it depends on how badly one wants Bayonetta 2. Exclusive game is exclusive.

    #44 4 months ago
  45. salarta

    @31: I agree that it looks contradictory on the surface, but it’s more complex than that. The most obvious situation is that a lot of those people don’t want to buy a Wii U when Bayonetta 2 is the only game that appeals to them on the system. It’s asking them to pay around $250 to play just one game.

    Second, Nintendo is a generation behind Sony and Microsoft, and some of those people might have really, really wanted the game to have the best graphics possible. Remember, there was a huge uproar over Sega’s PS3 port of Bayonetta turning out worse graphics-wise. Third, the controller for the Wii U is much different from the more intuitive Sony and Microsoft controllers, and Bayonetta is the type of game where your controller matters. Fourth, there is very good reason to be concerned about just how far down Nintendo gets to influence game content, especially in light of cases like how Nintendo told Mistwalker to make The Last Story more upbeat and positive than it was originally meant to be. Bayonetta is a very sexually expressive character. Nintendo is the kind of company that will completely toss away a much-used and loved app if it means people can privately exchange lewd messages to friends they consciously added to their friend lists. Who’s to say Nintendo wouldn’t see Bayonetta do something really risque that would be perfectly fine on Sony and Microsoft consoles, and say “Nope, you have to cut that, we don’t want it on a game published by us.”

    I’m not saying people should keep complaining that they want the game ported, but people can have many reasons for not wanting it on a Nintendo console, largely because of how Nintendo chooses to operate.

    #45 4 months ago
  46. Legendaryboss

    My oh my where to start?

    #46 4 months ago
  47. Clupula

    Well, first off, I think he’s being really rude. He knows damn well why the fanbase is upset. There are a lot of fans of the first game that aren’t going to get to play it.

    But that said, if it stays on the Wii U, it stays on the Wii U. I loved the first one, but unless there is some giant flood of great games heading that system’s way (at the moment, including Bayonetta 2, the entirety of games I have even the slightest interest in playing on it is a grand total of three, with X and Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem being the other two. I don’t buy a system until it has 20 absolute must-have exclusives. I doubt the Wii U will ever reach that number. The Wii never did), I’m never going to play it. Oh well. Wouldn’t be the first game that I wanted to play but didn’t. There’s still plenty of other stuff coming that I can play instead.

    People have to get over and when the game flops, maybe, just maybe Sega will realize why. Of course, it’s Sega, and they never learn anything from anything, but still, there is always hope.

    #47 4 months ago
  48. Joe Musashi

    @24 Yes. That’s me. Full of butthurt.

    Glad you managed to find that subtext hidden in my remark. Wow, nothing gets past you does it?

    JM

    #48 4 months ago
  49. Legendaryboss

    Just to cover points raised:
    1. Titanfall is not exclusive, call me when 2 versions are canned. Then you start can stating exclusive.

    2. Killzone Shadow Fall and Bayonetta 2 are not in the same ball park. One is owned by the publisher and other is simply just being published. Think of Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden 1+2, Ninja Gaiden Razor Edge etc. etc. Titles that were never supposed to come to other platforms.

    3. Mature titles and Nintendo: See 46. But also pretty sure people stated they want Nintendo to actually make said mature titles not just simply publish them or in the view or others “steal them”. Big difference between publishing and actually developing.

    4. You want to play B2, buy Wii U. Simply how it stands at the moment. No deal with it, swears or anything else in sight. Of course if it ain’t for you don’t buy it, simples. Your choice.

    5. My opinion: This is Bad PR, practically an rude insult to the fans showing their passion.

    6. Francis i.e cherrypicking titles that actually succeed on Wii U/Wii all the while ignoring others, compare that to exclusives that have failed i.e Zombi U. Where is that in your comparison? As for reading skills, i suggest you brush up on yours before you get up on that high horse of yours.

    7. People whoever relevant to, if people want to purchase Wii U they will buy it please stop repeatedly saying “buy Wii U” “It has game X and Y….” “You have your head in the clouds” Seriously? People buy platforms on their own accord please keep it that way, we need no salemans.

    8. Exclusives it is always exclusive up until the point it isn’t see examples above at point 2. But thinking it will stay exclusive? Well i haven’t seen a popular title say on its leash.

    #49 4 months ago
  50. Phoenixblight

    I can understand why people are pissed but this is how it goes. Also nothing has been shown for this game and as others have said Nintendo gets involved with their games that they are publishing so the fans may not be getting the same art style or look of the original. They have come in to some games and have told them explicitly to remove certain gameplay because it doesn’t fit with the Nintendo brand. Wait and see.

    #50 4 months ago
  51. Clupula

    @51 – I distinctly remember hearing about Nintendo forcing changes in The Last Story.

    #51 4 months ago
  52. Legendaryboss

    @52
    That did happen, as salarta points out.

    #52 4 months ago
  53. monkeygourmet

    ^

    You sound like 3 old ladies at a tea room! :)

    There is no evidence to suggest that any things been changed to fit the Wii U, content wise. The gameplay and crotch obsessed trailers shown so far would suggest its ‘business as usual’ for a Bayonetta fans.

    I hope they are scouring through the new anime with the same eye for detail.

    #53 4 months ago
  54. Legendaryboss

    @54
    Very good, sir.
    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma8nccGkrl1rfduvxo1_400.gif

    #54 4 months ago
  55. Phoenixblight

    @54

    THere is no evidence to say that there has/hasn’t been. They put out some trailers and that somehow refutes what I have said? Like no one has ever misrepresented their game with a trailer.

    #55 4 months ago
  56. Clupula

    @53 – Would it surprise you that, many times, I don’t read Salarta’s posts?

    #56 4 months ago
  57. Clupula

    @54 – Yes, there is going to be a big cut away during a trailer to, “WE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING HERE BUT NINTENDO WOULDN’T LET US.”

    They’re going to put in the things Nintendo will let them and keep quiet on the things they aren’t allowed, until such time as it no longer harms them to say it. Sakaguchi didn’t say anything about Nintendo cutting things out until after he was already done with them. It’s dumb to do otherwise.

    #57 4 months ago
  58. monkeygourmet

    ^

    Was only messing! :)

    Point being, titles being altered are not exclusively a ‘Nintendo thing’.

    #58 4 months ago
  59. salarta

    @54: There is no proof that it’s been done to Bayonetta 2, but there is proof that it’s been done to The Last Story, which sets a precedent that it could have been done to Bayonetta 2.

    @59: Titles being altered is expected as games are developed. The issue with Bayonetta, however, is that since it’s entirely unlike what Nintendo is normally willing to put out, it’s possible that Nintendo could be asking the company to water down the content to make it more “appropriate” as a Nintendo-published game on a Nintendo console. We have no proof one way or the other, but precedent with Last Story shows it’s possible.

    #59 4 months ago
  60. Phoenixblight

    @59

    You have proof of the other big 2 doing it? Or you just going to pull it out of thin air because it is offensive to your precious?

    #60 4 months ago
  61. Legendaryboss

    @57
    I know, i just thought i would credit him. I know bad LB.

    @59
    Your right but to use salarta’s words “there is proof that it’s been done to The Last Story, which sets a precedent that it could be done to Bayonetta 2.” And as Clup says No ones going to speak about cuts at this point in time.

    Beaten but i’ll leave it be.

    #61 4 months ago
  62. monkeygourmet

    @60

    That’s grabbing at straws so much, one could say there was a pre determined agenda.

    All the people worrying about cut content won’t be playing it anyway… So why worry!?

    If your lamenting about what could of been, complain to Sony / MS.

    #62 4 months ago
  63. Agt_Pendergast

    I think I’m going to make it a point to avoid reading any of the comment sections for any future Bayonetta 2 news, cause I get the feeling they’re all going to be like this.

    #63 4 months ago
  64. monkeygourmet

    @61

    What examples of where games have changed or been altered because of outside views? Hmmmmmm… I would have thought the currant climate of DLC and MTs would show you that game devs are swayed by other forces…

    I’m sure it was turn 10′s idea to riddle the game with MTs, not MS.

    #64 4 months ago
  65. polygem

    @46:

    “Nintendo is a generation behind Sony and Microsoft,”

    sorry salarta but i really can’t hear this argument anymore. it’s just not true. nintendo offer an experience that feels very modern. the ui of my ps4 doesn’t exactly feel next gen tbh. the crashes i’m experiencing with bf4 feel very…ahem outdated. compared to the flawless gaming experience that mario 3d world offers, which again, is a much more modern/ next gen interpretation of mario than bf4 is of battlefield( 64 players and pretty bugs my ass if the game is that broken). the browser on the ps4 is shit, while using the pad on the wiiu is great. miiverse is very next gen. the friendslist on my ps4, the what’s new section? so very very meeeh.

    wiiu isn’t behind, it’s different. absolutely amazing that people just cannot see through some next gen marketing bubbles.

    #65 4 months ago
  66. Legendaryboss

    Oh my god.

    #66 4 months ago
  67. Phoenixblight

    @65

    Again you have nothing to support that it was MS that did that and not Turn 10. FOr all we know Turn 10 made the idea and MS said hell yes.

    There are developers that have come out and said Nintendo had made them change their game because it doesn’t fit with the brand. You have nothing to support the same thing for MS or Sony. You are grabbing straws at best.

    “climate of DLC and MTs would show you that game devs are swayed by other forces”

    Yeah the companies are making games worth millions and are the same price as they were 10 years ago excluding inflation so they go with DLC or MT and it works as been shown with the demand. If no one wanted it they would be upchucking it like the Online passes.

    #67 4 months ago
  68. polygem

    @67: yep that’s my gamertag on ps4 and xbox. add me.

    #68 4 months ago
  69. fearmonkey

    I can understand the disappointment around this game. The first title was a multiplatform, and then fans that bought it are being told they need to own q Wii-u to play it’s sequel, which has to suck if they aren’t interested in the Wii-u otherwise.

    I imagine there are PS4 people that wish they could play Dead Rising 3 but don’t really want a Xbox One right now.

    I personally think that a multiplatform game should stay multiplatform, only a new IP should be exclusive. It’s a disservice to the fans otherwise.

    #69 4 months ago
  70. Legendaryboss

    @69
    I’m referring to something else stated that might be covered soon. i’ll get back to you on GT.

    #70 4 months ago
  71. monkeygourmet

    @68

    I will def do more research (I can’t be bothered at the moment – gaming! :)), but I feel you would be naive not to expect that each company has an ‘image’ to maintain.

    There are hundreds of examples of MS and there policies on Indie titles / updates and DLC, but I will dig around more when I get a chance if you think this is purely a ‘Nintendo thing’.

    I would also like you to provide me with more examples if possible, and reasons why games like Madworld. Etc… ‘Slip through the net’.

    Ultimately your point is based on something that is completely intangible when it comes to this title. Just saying: ‘they have done similar things in the past…’, doesn’t really cut it.

    The gameplay seen so far and cutscenes look ripped straight from the first title. That is the only constant we have… Maybe if this bombs and we get a candid interview 2 years down the line, it’ll shed some more light on this.
    Until then the only straws being grabbed are people imagining foul play that’s impossible to prove…

    #71 4 months ago
  72. polygem

    @71: well if you do…it’s OhMikeOdd then

    #72 4 months ago
  73. Phoenixblight

    @72

    Wasn’t calling foul just pointing that out that may be the case here. We won’t know until after the game is released. Its best to wait and see.

    #73 4 months ago
  74. salarta

    @63: It’s really, really not grasping at straws. Knowing what a company has done in the past is a good way of predicting what they are doing or will do in the future, whether it’s by the possibility of them doing the exact same thing again or simply understanding how they seem to operate.

    For the record, I plan to buy and play Bayonetta 2. Once there are five games on the Wii U worth playing in addition to Bayonetta 2. Right now only the recent Mario game exists.

    @66: I have two answers to this comment. The first is that we’re at the very beginning of this console cycle, which means it’s going to take a little while for games on PS4 and XBox One to look like a real improvement; citing BF4 doesn’t really count since it’s on both last and current gen consoles. The second is that I have to admit I could be mistaken about Nintendo being a generation behind since I haven’t used a Wii U myself. However, one thing: using the browser on the console? I understand why Sony includes it, but why actually use it? The browser is so far down the list of meaningful attributes for a console.

    #74 4 months ago
  75. monkeygourmet

    @75

    Either way, they can’t be judged for a future ‘crime’, so you’ll just have to wait and see like the rest of us.

    #75 4 months ago
  76. salarta

    @76: I’m not accusing Nintendo of having done it already (though I do personally believe the easy mode stylus controls are a sign of that), my main reason for mentioning the precedent is to explain one reason why people might not want it to be published by Nintendo or Nintendo exclusive. Whether Nintendo does or does not do that to Bayonetta 2, there’s reason to worry Nintendo could have done it or could do it in the future.

    If someone has stolen your money at least once, aren’t you going to worry that they might do it again? You’re not calling the police on them by observing what they’ve done in the past and bracing yourself for the chance they might do it again.

    #76 4 months ago
  77. monkeygourmet

    @77

    I’m not worried to be honest. There was an easy mode in Bayonetta 1 that was the same as stylus mode but using just buttons on the pad.

    http://kotaku.com/5342474/bayonettas-easy-mode-lets-you-play-like-a-pro-automatically

    I’ve played plenty of games with risqué / violent content on Nintendo machines, I really doubt they would have changed much. The shoddy port of the PS3 original was something to get upset over, not this.

    #77 4 months ago
  78. salarta

    @79: Huh, I wasn’t aware of that easy mode. That definitely changes my view on the stylus matter, thanks.

    The games with risque and violent content in question are ones published by companies other than Nintendo. The concern in that regard comes out when it’s Nintendo publishing the game, since Nintendo is really obsessed with their plan of marketing primarily to children and families that have children.

    I didn’t see anything with the PS3 version of Bayonetta, though. I’m not really a graphics nut, but it does play a role in how I view consoles if it affects whether or not the console can play certain games.

    #78 4 months ago
  79. OmegaSlayer

    @70
    Pretty much a nailed concept.

    No one complained about W101, a game by a great developer born on WiiU.

    The point is that Nintendo leverages the success the Bayonetta franchise gained from players who enjoyed the first game on other platforms.

    The point “without Nintendo there wouldn’t be a Bayo2″ is secondary to the concept “without people enjoying Bayo1 on PS360, Nintendo wouldn’t even gave a fuck about making Bayo2″

    It’s like father and mother raising a child, then Mafia boss kidnap the child and asks the parents to buy him/her back at his price.
    For me, that is fucked up.

    Then…
    Sega cancelled Bayo2 as a part of restructuring program
    http://www.edge-online.com/news/report-sega-cancels-bayonetta-2/
    And if either Sony or MS would have bought exclusivity it would have been fucked up and wrong anyway.
    Still making a game for a dying console is killing the IP

    #79 4 months ago
  80. monkeygourmet

    @79

    The ‘kiddy’ image (while deserved in some cases), isn’t fully representative of Nintendos output from my perspective. They are careful. But every company has to be, to a point.

    People complained about Nintendo removing street pass features (think of the children!), yet Sony are having to rethink their strategy with video streaming after the porn stuff leaking out recently.

    Just look at all the Witch molesting games on the DS in Japan, there is hardcore(ish) content available on any platform. As of yet, the only major change I see is her haircut!

    Watch this:

    http://m.uk.ign.com/videos/2013/06/13/bayonetta-2-gameplay-demo-ign-live-e3-2013

    Looks fine to me!

    #80 4 months ago
  81. salarta

    @81: I wasn’t aware of the porn stuff you refer to. The street pass issue, if it’s the thing I’m thinking of, was something where two people that know each other and essentially consent to sharing such content (and if they don’t then they can remove each other) are being kept from being able to make such exchanges because Nintendo doesn’t like that kind of content in any form. I expect that the Sony one will be something like being users being able to publicly broadcast nudity and other pornographic content of themselves, which is definitely something that requires filters and the like.

    Please link me to a news article regarding the Sony porn stuff.

    #81 4 months ago
  82. monkeygourmet

    I hate linking Kotaku, but it was the first one that came up:

    http://kotaku.com/twitch-couples-strip-show-could-mean-bad-news-for-play-1470396644

    Not saying they are banning anything per say, just that people can easily abuse streaming content and when linked to a device in your living room, things can get complicated!

    #82 4 months ago
  83. salarta

    @83: Thanks for linking me.

    I’d say that kind of situation definitely warrants at least taking Playroom offline as an app until they can figure out a way of policing that app. Possibly have parental control maturity ratings, and a place to quickly report a stream (it probably has that already but I didn’t notice). The article does a mix of pointing out one asshole’s sexual assault of an unconscious woman and the risk of child predators using it. Unlike video games, Playroom and anything like it presents a huge risk for bad behavior. This is one of those reasons I was concerned about Kinect and the PS Camera, though my initial concern was for the trend in guys remotely activating the camera and taking pictures of women to blackmail them.

    Now if Playroom could only be used with people on your Friend list and Sony took it down, then I think it’d be comparable to the Nintendo issue.

    #83 4 months ago
  84. SCAssassin

    On the topic of Nintendo’s overall involvement in the development of the game: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/197634/going_platinum_bayonetta_2_.php

    #84 4 months ago
  85. absolutezero

    Imagine theres a man standing behind you. Each time you go to talk to anyone else the man jams his fingers between your ribs as hard as he can. When you ask the man why he is jabbing you in the ribs he responds with “Its because I like you.”

    So you go about your business and the man continues to poke you everytime you talk to anyone. Anytime you say anything thats not directly to him you get a stab of pain and dis-comfort.

    Its always the same man you see his face, you learn his name, he just won’t go away and he won’t stop.

    When you finally break and tell him to get the fuck away from you and to please stop jabbing you in the ribs the man screams “YOU SHOULD BE FLATTERED” and accuses you of not understanding his feelings.

    #85 4 months ago
  86. absolutezero

    If you think you are mature from playing Bayonetta of all games then there is something deeply wrong with you.

    Theres videos and hands-on previews from E3 this year that were entirely positive. Sure Nintendo have a history of sticking their oars in but guess what? It usually ends up being for the better! Metroid Prime was a better game thanks to Nintendo, The Last Story ended up being far more unique and entertaining than Lost Odyssey even though it was a game in a very similar style.

    “The games with risque and violent content in question are ones published by companies other than Nintendo.”

    Do do do Fire Emblem do do doooo

    #86 4 months ago
  87. Joe Musashi

    What a terrible analogy.

    The selective logic and memory throughout this discussion is tragi-larious.

    JM

    #87 4 months ago
  88. absolutezero

    That was me doing my best Peter Molyneux as well.

    Proper crushed now. :(

    The entire point was that its not a million different disgruntled fans of the original game the guy was originally talking about, its the same people saying the samethings in the same offensive manor everytime he goes to post about Bayonetta 2. Go check, go take a look at the Platinum Facebook page, link the faces with the comments its the same people.

    Kamiya has taken to blocking them from his Twitter because they did the same thing.

    https://www.facebook.com/platinumgames?fref=ts

    There you go. Look at the recent comments, people are already complaining about this news. Its just because they love it though! Like Elvira crushing the skulls of the bunnies in Tiny Toons.

    #88 4 months ago
  89. antraxsuicide

    @80 +a million

    That’s exactly the point. The comments “Wanna play The Order:1886? Get a PS4″ are completely irrelevant. Bayonetta made its fanbase on PS360, and now those customers are being flipped off in favor of Nintendo’s wallet.

    And Dave, I’d say yes to your original question. I’d rather that Bayonetta 2 got left behind (with a possible release in several years) instead of a giant failed game like this is going to be. The first game was a great steak, and I would’ve been fine to only have that taste in my mouth. But now, that steak is going to have mustard and hair all over it from this sequel.

    #89 4 months ago
  90. Legendaryboss

    @67/71
    There we go, took a while but we got there @88.

    #90 4 months ago
  91. Ireland Michael

    @91 You know if you ignored it he would stop pushing your buttons, right?

    You’re dragging it out by responding.

    #91 4 months ago
  92. Legendaryboss

    @92
    Wait what? JM isn’t referring to me he is referring to something i noticed at @67/71 hence the comment at @91.

    This argument was going south with or without me, in this case without.

    #92 4 months ago
  93. Ireland Michael

    @93 I know that, but simply by responding you’re giving him something to latch on to.

    #93 4 months ago
  94. Legendaryboss

    Right. Right.

    #94 4 months ago
  95. Dirk

    The guy could have worded it better but it was a lot better than Ninja Theory’s response to concerned DMC fans, who basically got told to f*ck off.

    #95 4 months ago
  96. 313714

    patiant….yes it was the secret he mentioned.it seems they will release it to other consoles after wiiu release :-)

    #96 4 months ago