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Mugen Souls Z’s bath mini-game will be removed for western release

Wednesday, 23rd October 2013 23:40 GMT By Ewan Miller

NIS America have confirmed to Siliconera that Mugen Souls Z’s bath mini-game will be the only cut content when the JRPG makes its way to western PS3s next year. The mini-game was cut from the previous Mugen Souls localisation as well and from a Youtube video, seems to involve placing bananas and other fruits on semi-naked young looking girls.

In the Japanese version of the game, the mini-game is required to receive some stat increases, while in the western release you’ll receive those stat increases for free once the mini-game would normally be unlocked.

If you fancy checking out what the cut content is, Youtube user Lenne Valkyrie seems to have documented the mini-game here. While it doesn’t technically feature explicit nudity, it isn’t safe for most places. Be warned.

Mugen Souls Z will be coming to the PS3 sometime next year in America and Europe.

Thanks, Siliconera.

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33 Comments

  1. Ireland Michael

    And Japan still wonders why they’re games don’t sell in the west?

    #1 1 year ago
  2. Clupula

    Well, the first one was the only NISA game I refused to buy, due to the censorship, and I guess this one will be no different. For a niche company, you’d think they’d know they need every sale they can get and the low sales of the first one from people who refused to support censorship should have taught them a lesson.

    I guess it hasn’t. Won’t be buying this one either.

    #2 1 year ago
  3. FeaturePreacher

    @1
    I guess they need more violence to go along with the nudity like GTA V did. Then they’ll be raking in the dough.

    #3 1 year ago
  4. Ireland Michael

    @2 Or they could just… I don’t know… *not* litter their games with paedophilic undertones?

    Censorship? Please. This sort of content should be illegal.

    @3 What does violence have to do with this?

    I don’t care for overly violent games myself – excessive, gory violence will put me straight off most games. But even when it does exist, at least it sticks to adults. Context is everything.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. Clupula

    @4 – “Censorship? Please. This sort of content should be illegal.”

    Uh, that’s actually the very definition of censorship.

    Lolis being molested is not exactly my thing, but if it’s in the game, it’s what the creators originally intended and it should be in there when localized. I won’t support removing things because they fear they might offend the delicate sensibilities of Western Puritans.

    Unless it’s actual children actually being molested, in which case, I’d very much be for it being stopped, people need to get over their inability to tell cartoon from reality.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Dragon

    Yes. Murder, profanity, drugs, and *insert things here* are OK.
    But this, no.

    Its worse than murder. I hear you.

    “Lolis being molested is not exactly my thing, but if it’s in the game, it’s what the creators originally intended and it should be in there when localized. I won’t support removing things because they fear they might offend the delicate sensibilities of Western Puritans.

    Unless it’s actual children actually being molested, in which case, I’d very much be for it being stopped, people need to get over their inability to tell cartoon from reality.”
    +1
    Somehow people get up in arms about this, but what about all the shit that goes on TV and other mediums?

    #6 1 year ago
  7. Ireland Michael

    @6 Never said it was worse than anything else.

    Hey, if people want to indulge in their pre-pubescent child molesting fantasies, that’s their choice I guess. Just don’t be surprised when people try to keep them as far away from their children as possible.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. The_Red

    @4
    “This sort of content should be illegal.”

    So killing innocents and torturing in GTA5 is fine but this is bad? They are all FANTASY and as long that it stays that way, there is no difference between them. Cutting / removing either one is censorship and censorship is the only thing that should be illegal.

    EDIT: Ok, just watched the YouTube vid and wow, agree about it being troubling. That said, it is still a cartoon / fantasy and removing it would be censorship, regardless of how offensive it is.
    No sort of censorship is acceptable. Otherwise, why not move to countries like Iran and China to enjoy the infinite power of censorship for the “good of mankind”?

    #8 1 year ago
  9. fihar

    @6
    Because video games actively encourages you to participate in the activity itself.
    Society does have a harsher view on rapists and child molesters than on murderers though. Louie made a joke on this once.

    But NISA was right in this. As it stands, the mini-game itself exists purely as a fan-service and has absolutely no context within the game. If you don’t take any pleasure from these kinds of activities then I don’t see why you would be offended by this move.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Ireland Michael

    I find it somewhat humorous how peeole keep,bringing up the violence argument to me even though I’ve already said numerous times that I don’t consider violence any better.

    I’m okay with violence in games… IN CONTEXT. Pointless violence in games doesn’t even remotely interest me.

    Even if I thought it was more acceptable… one depicts adults, and the other depicts children. That is the one major issue I have with it. If those were fully developed women, I would still think it was crash and unclassy and pointless… but I wouldn’t actively have an issue with it.

    @9 Because they don’t get to feel up virtual pubescent girls, obviously.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. DSB

    I had to look that up on YouTube, and I’m kinda sorry I did. What the fuck is wrong with those guys?

    Somehow you’re a puritan if you don’t like diddling little girls? That’s not even close to what the word means. There’s a big difference between having a problem with sexualization in general, and having a problem with the sexualization of little girls.

    I don’t think most people have any problem seeing the disgusting aspect in doing something like that. Kids aren’t sexually developed and they can’t say no. It’s really that simple. So indulging in groping them, imagined or otherwise, is more than slightly fucked up.

    Maybe shooting a guy on the street during a bankrobbery or mowing down thousands of cops while protecting a drug shipment isn’t exactly noble, but it’s exciting on a level that’s pretty easy to understand for anyone. Breaking the rules, fighting for your life, making loud noises, showing everyone how powerful you are.

    On the other hand, if your idea of exciting is groping clueless children, there’s really something fundamentally wrong with you.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. Solnem

    Actually, this is a less pornographic game. There are tons of games with even crazier things (with less rpg elements) that are going round in Japan. As sad as it may seem for many people, things like the one being censored in this game are the very essence of many games from Japan. And that’s a big selling point for such games. At least with Japan and fans outside of Japan.

    I think in general the problem is changing the original game by censoring it. While this kind of censorship might not break the game for most of the people, it does for many fans of Japanese animation and manga.

    It’s not that I hate the censoring in this game in particular, but censoring in general. It’s taking away the idea of the creator, making it a whole other experience from what the creator wanted it to be (not in every case of course). Even though it’s arguable if for example headshots or spilling blood in violent games take away the experience or idea of the creator. It’s up to each and every individual person to decide on that.

    #12 1 year ago
  13. Clupula

    @11 – Ahem. Fiction. A bunch of polygons textured by hand drawn images. Not in any way real. Thank you.

    #13 1 year ago
  14. zinc

    ahem – freedom of speech. NOT actually a coverall excuse for porn. loli or otherwise.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. Dragon

    @Michael,
    What is your favourite game? Can you name them?

    #15 1 year ago
  16. zinc

    ^ “Name it” or “What are your favorite games”

    GRAMMAR NAZI AWAY!

    P.s I hear its leisure suit larry btw.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. Ireland Michael

    @11 I’m aware. Like I said, those people can enjoy it all they want. I’ll just be making sure to keep them as far away from my children as possible.

    @15 Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, LittleBigPlanet 2, Portal 2.

    Those are probably my all time favourites. Hard to pick just one, why?

    #17 1 year ago
  18. JB

    @Clupula – Of course it`s censorship, but just look at the responses in this thread. The mini-game is far less than 1% of the full game, but the focus is all about that stoopid mini-game. If NIS America didn`t remove it, chances are the full game wouldn`t get released at all or get pulled shortly after release.

    NIS America explains their reasons here: http://nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=13487

    @Ireland Michael – “And Japan still wonders why they’re games don’t sell in the west?”

    That`s quite a bit out of proportion isn`t it? Judging the entire japanese gaming industry on a mini-game from a single developers game.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. Panthro

    Psssshhh, shits not even animated… Im sure if a pedophile wanted to do anything to a virtual child there is plenty of other weird flash games and fan art that could allow them to do just that…

    I wont be buying it, not my kinda game… Buuuut that kind of stuff is in the japanese culture… and i guess our westen culture is pretty closed off when it comes to molesting a static picture with an apricot.

    It shouldnt be removed, I dont like cencorship even when it doesnt affect me… Its just a picture after all, I dont see how its ok for one region to have content that another cant, its silly.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. Ireland Michael

    @18 While this isn’t every single game, these creepy otaku elements dripping into Japanese media *have* become more common and invasive in recent years. Obviously it’s not all Japanese games, and I enjoy plenty of Japanese titles, but this sort of thing is simply never going to sell in any high regard or ever reach any sort of critical acclaim.

    For good reason. They’re appealing to a fucked up otaku mentality that most rational and same people are fairly repulsed by. Let’s not forget that “otaku” is a derogatory term in Japan. The country dislikes this sort of stuff just as much as the west does. Don’t assume this is somehow accepted in Japan. The laws there are becoming more and more strict regarding this sort of thing all the time.

    I actually enjoy Disgaea and NISA’s others SRPGs (Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, etc.) a lot, but I’ve become increasingly uncomfortable with the growing number of loli designs and innuendos appearing in their franchises, to the point where I’m tempted to drop them altogether. And there are far, far more offensive games.

    You’ll have to excuse me for being mildly repulsed by the portrayal of young girls being sexualised and molested. Its fucked up one way or the other, animated, static imagery or not.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Panthro

    yeah but its optional entertainment, Im sure if this wasnt an article you would have no idea that it even existed.

    I dont like sexualising minors, its wrong… So I dont watch or play stuff that does, So in 99.99999999% of my life I wont experience it so I am unaffected. As long as it has a decent classification so kids wont play it.., the japanese hentai culture fans can watch their stuff and be happy with it, is just a cartoon after all and its censored in areas that it definately should be.

    + most anime characters look like children anyway, especially in the kind of style the game creators have went with, they could be 18 for all I know, then it would be classed as legal to put a banana on their faces… Right?

    Again, optional entertainment ;)

    #21 1 year ago
  22. DSB

    @13 So pedophile fantasies are fine, as long as you’re using cartoon children to get your rocks off?

    Again: Nope!

    @19 “There’s worse content out there” also doesn’t make it less of a pedophile fantasy. That’s a completely nonsensical argument.

    And hiding behind culture is just pathetic. Children in Japan are no different than children anywhere else.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. Ireland Michael

    @21 All entertainment is optional entertainment,. That doesn’t mean I have to like it.

    The only opinions allowed are positive ones?

    “+ most anime characters look like children anyway, especially in the kind of style the game creators have went with, they could be 18 for all I know, then it would be classed as legal to put a banana on their faces… Right?”

    Wrong. The intent is pretty damn clear. They could claim they were 500 and it still won’t change the fact of what they’re clearly displaying.

    @22 The commonly accepted attitude is that as long as a person doesn’t commit an actual crime, it’s okay for them to think about whatever they want. I personally don’t agree with that.

    If a guy gets off on this sort of thing, I can’t really do anything about it, but I sure as hell will make sure they don’t come without a mile of a single child that I know.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. Panthro

    @24

    Well then instead of continuing to post on this article why don’t you leave your computer chair and go begin work on inventing a device that can censor peoples thoughts.

    You mind nazi.

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/a3625a475c97da11bbd448640ff3ba5b/tumblr_mlmk2xUGBb1s3qq9bo1_250.gif

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Ireland Michael

    @24 Oh please.

    #25 1 year ago
  26. Panthro

    XD

    #26 1 year ago
  27. Legendaryboss

    What the hell happened here?

    #27 1 year ago
  28. Panthro

    Ireland Michael was just telling us how much of a big Hitler he is :D

    Just kidding ofcourse.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. DSB

    @23 I think it’s worrying that people can actually ignore what it represents. Groping a child in the bath. I mean, playing as a member of an SS Einsatztrup on the eastern front would hopefully sicken anyone, but being a pedo is somehow a point of pride if it’s imagined?

    Something tells me the number of people who are willing to defend this online is significantly larger than the people who would defend those scenes to anyone they were face to face with.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. Panthro

    I’m not saying its right, I even said it was wrong somewhere up there in the mix ^

    I just don’t think it should be censored (edit -as in taken out of the game), as long as it has a mature classification people can play what they like.

    I wont be playing it.

    EDIT – had to clear up that censored bit ^
    It sounded like I wanted them to remove the steam and bubbles haahahhaa

    #30 1 year ago
  31. DSB

    @30 The reason why censorship is wrong in the vast majority of cases is because people value different things. One mans art is another mans trash, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. It’s also hard to support the argument that seeing a naked breast or hearing the word “Fuck” will damage anyone in any way. That’s just a case of moral bullying and conservative ideology.

    But if there ever was something that completely transcends an argument like that, I really think it would be something like pedophilia.

    Can you give me a single reason why groping children would somehow be of value to anyone? Should we as a society be tolerant of people who want to spend an afternoon diddling a cartoon child?

    Because that is also a valid question to ask in a society governed by laws. We value our expression, but we do set limits for things that simply aren’t acceptable. Libel, verbal harassment and threats are also examples of speech that isn’t protected under most definitions of freedom of expression.

    #31 1 year ago
  32. kingkelnar

    Censorship is a problem when it’s those who mix the fantasy with the real. Non-real (non)human characters being treated the same as real living human children.

    It doesn’t matter if it’s the pedo or the person advocating for the censorship. Such people aren’t thinking straight and are clearly detached from reality.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. fattahrider

    this whole cencorship thing leaves me with mixed feelings. why?
    well for one i feel removing a content out of a game when its supposed to have it give me a sense of incompleteness. makes me feel i played an incomplete game as whole. but then again removing this type of content was the right thing to do in my opinion. Kudos to NISA for making the right judgement.

    yes loli characters are cute. but this kind of content is no longer making them cute at all anymore. its sexualising them and that is a line that should never be crossed. EVER. i mean the of thing promotes pedophilia in a way. and before you all start flaming me, let me explain. pedophilia is a mental disease or disorder that makes the person feel aroused when they are around children whom they deem as their sex objects or sex icons. but pedophilia does not simply randomly occur in an individual. it is sparked off by an event that leaves a great impact in that person’s said mind. for example, this game content that was removed. different ppl have different reactions to this kind of thing. some are extremely appalled and disgusted. while some will be like “meh”. but for some, it may start something in their mind. its like a seed was planted in their mind. and this causes the person insatiable curiousity, making the said person find and research and whatnot to feed the seed, making it grow larger and larger until it finally blooms, turning individual into what you know as your modern day pedophile.
    why am i talking like a psychologist? thats because i am one.so those ppl who thinks that this kind of thing is okay,its not.

    well enough about that. for me i will still buy the game as i have always supported NISA and i aínt stopping just because some measly content was cut off. and the other reason was i have always loved rpgs since i was 4. all my games collections are all rpgs. so i must play this game irregardless of the removed content. it aint the first game that i played where content was removed and it sure aint gonna be the last either.

    #33 1 year ago

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