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Nintendo stock drops over 8%, company absent from Nikkei 225

Monday, 9th September 2013 11:12 GMT By Dave Cook

Nintendo’s stock has dropped more than 8%, and the company’s stock has missed out on the recent Nikkei 225 market list.

A report over on Bloomberg explains that Nintendo’s stock slump is the biggest it has suffered in two years – July 2011 to be precise – dropping 8.4% to ¥10,860 per share.

The decrease follows a stock rise of 31% earlier this year as Osaka and Tokyo’s stock exchanges merged, making Nintendo eligible for inclusion in the Nikkei 225 list. The figure anticipated positive performance from the company, but today’s list did not include Nintendo. Some industry figures had previously predicted that the company could be too big to be included, with current market evaluation at $15.4 billion, however.

CLSA analyst Jay Defibaugh changed the status of Nintendo’s stock from ‘buy to ‘sell’ today, and said of Nintendo’s absence from the Nikkei list, “The early signs of key first-party software inducing a major turnaround in Wii U console fundamentals are not promising, and the outlook for third-party support is grim. The value of iconic Nintendo franchises may be declining as younger generations discover gaming through mobile devices.”

BNP Paribas SA analyst Takao Suzuki added, “We believe Nintendo’s shares have been overvalued due to speculative demand, on the assumption that they would be included in the Nikkei. As this expectation has come to nothing, this appears to be the right time to sell.”

What do you make of Nintendo’s performance as of late? Let us know below.

Via Nintendo Life.

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  1. mistermogul

    I don’t know what to think of Nintendo any more. I still adore their games but their business decisions completely confuse me sometimes.

    I think at this rate the writing will be on the wall for Iwata if he doesn’t turn things around over the next few years.

    #1 11 months ago
  2. Fin

    Maybe they should try making better games.

    #2 11 months ago
  3. mistermogul

    @2 – I don’t know if they need to make better ones, maybe just different…?

    #3 11 months ago
  4. SplatteredHouse

    How can you get the NEXT Mario, if all you do is make Mario. “The value of iconic Nintendo franchises may be declining as younger generations discover gaming through mobile devices.”

    If that’s true (and, it may well be an accurate assessment) then they NEED to push the youngblood! That’s no sleight to the experienced, but those guys won’t be designing forever. They’re not going to remain in the mix. There must be more to Nintendo, if they are to prosper.
    Especially because they’ve expertly cultivated an atmosphere of near-noxious intensity towards third-party “partners” on their system. Who wants to play third-party on Nintendo? And, more than ever, now, I’m convinced that it is ingrained. That’s really sad.

    #4 11 months ago
  5. AngryConsumer

    so their focus on the marked for the 12 and 7 years old are not paying of?. like that did come as a shock, mario and zelda are not what the younger generation want. you can use a gaming characters so long but in the end it will become old and tiring. the youth have spoken with their money, they want something new. but nintendo dont want to progress in their ways, so they stick to the old. releasing last gen hardware tech with a gimmick controller. when the ps4 and xbox one arrive, nintendio is done. there is nothing that will keep the wiiutanic afloat. im glade i didnt buy one and waited, because soon nintendo will be a only software company and go multi release.

    #5 11 months ago
  6. SplatteredHouse

    @5. The new isn’t coming from Nintendo, so “the kids” are finding it on their mobiles, and other DIGITAL-centric sources from less-encumbered developers releasing indie. Infographic: http://i5.minus.com/jj7gLRXHWPD3H.png ;)

    #6 11 months ago
  7. mistermogul

    “Especially because they’ve expertly cultivated an atmosphere of near-noxious intensity towards third-party “partners” on their system. Who wants to play third-party on Nintendo? And, more than ever, now, I’m convinced that it is ingrained. That’s really sad.”

    @4 +1

    #7 11 months ago
  8. OmegaSlayer

    Nintendo is not hungry.
    They have been in the business too much and sit on their past: Mario, Link, Donkey Kong, Samus…those characters have 30 years on their shoulders and aged bad charisma wise.

    #8 11 months ago
  9. SplatteredHouse

    When the likes of this occur http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/31/no-multiplayer-for-wii-us-batman-arkham-origins/ on one of their big releases, (Batman and the WiiU audiences aren’t unlikely fits, but now they’re offering a reduced content version of the game on that machine.) and they haven’t reacted to a key problem with the way their system is running, what more needs to be seen before they change up?

    #9 11 months ago
  10. YoungZer0

    I think Nintendo would make a great third-party developer.

    #10 11 months ago
  11. stealth

    ^ You commenters are ridiculous. They are the number 1 game company right now and that analyst has made stupid sony statements lately too.

    #11 11 months ago
  12. Dragon246

    Yup.
    “The early signs of key first-party software inducing a major turnaround in Wii U console fundamentals are not promising, and the outlook for third-party support is grim. The value of iconic Nintendo franchises may be declining as younger generations discover gaming through mobile devices.”
    All the points here are completely accurate.
    Yes, even about software. Most Ninty 3ds games have sold less than their ds counterparts, in many games significantly, like brain ages, nintendogs and so on.

    While 2ds is undoubtedly a smart plan, I doubt they will reach even near ds levels of profitability and sales.
    Not mention, the downright abysmal performance of wiiu.
    Not looking good for Ninty.

    #12 11 months ago
  13. stealth

    @12

    That is factually untrue

    “Most Ninty 3ds games have sold less than their ds counterparts, in many games significantly, like brain ages, nintendogs and so on.” Your ignoring the install base difference vs when the games came out. Animal crossing? much higher on 3ds.

    “While 2ds is undoubtedly a smart plan, I doubt they will reach even near ds levels of profitability and sales.”

    No company will

    Very good on Nintendo

    #13 11 months ago
  14. polygem

    you cannot have a fair nintendo discussion on this page stealth…i tried a million times. some people just hate them. literally hate them. or they think playing nintendo games will transform them into kids while playing gears of war will make them strong and #cough# manly.
    i don´t know what it is, but it´s sad.

    #14 11 months ago
  15. stealth

    ^ I havent seen a fair comment yet really. Nobody seems to understand what the news actually means instead its just, lets doom Nintendo on the words of an analyst who has doomed everything but mobile

    #15 11 months ago
  16. xino

    it’s either they go mobile or end up as 3rd party dev

    #16 11 months ago
  17. stealth

    ^ Sony and MS are much closer to going 3rd party than Nintendo

    #17 11 months ago
  18. Dragon246

    @13,
    Really?
    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/82/animal-crossing-wild-world/
    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71137/animal-crossing-new-leaf/

    And again, I said most (most of those games have lost their legs in sales, like brain age), which is just true. And I gave examples.
    Have a good time sir.

    “Sony and MS are much closer to going 3rd party than Nintendo”
    Proof? Numbers? They are performing much much better than Ninty, why would leave the market?

    @Splatteredhouse,
    +1

    #18 11 months ago
  19. stealth

    @Dragon246

    Your giving me fake vgchart numbers and I direct you to Nintendos ACTUAL financials.

    Nintendo has been selling more software and hardware every month globally than Sony and MS for the last 8 years basically. Including crushing them the last 3 months going into the holiays.

    In fact the last 5 holidays Nintendo has made more profit than the Combined game divisions of Sony and MS.

    With 2ds bound to sell like hotcakes, pokemon and MH 4 coming out, and wii u getting better software. Its inevitable

    #19 11 months ago
  20. Dragon246

    “I direct you to Nintendos ACTUAL financials.”
    Like? I don’t see any links.
    Again, show me links which I am wrong in saying what I have said.
    I have only stated the facts.

    FYI, Ninty has lost 73% of market value since ds,wii era. Why would that have happened if they were fine?

    “Nintendo has been selling more software and hardware every month globally than Sony and MS for the last 8 years basically.”
    And this is just wrong. Sony sold more hardware in Fy2013 than any other company. MS would also have a chance they had a portable console.

    #20 11 months ago
  21. II-WAR-STEINER-II

    Nintendo? What is this? Aaah the DS Company right? lol

    Without 3DS Nintendo is dying so Nintendo is in deep trouble…

    #21 11 months ago
  22. Dragon246

    ^Yeah, that company :D

    #22 11 months ago
  23. antraxsuicide

    You must be high, Stealth. Ninty’s software has been in the toilet recently, and the Wii had the lowest software attach rate of the Big 3.

    As for Sony/MS going 3rd party, maybe Sony will one day (because the debt on that company is just too large for Playstation to save), but MS make billions every month. They can feasibly run without profit for 20 years, and they don’t land in the red.

    #23 11 months ago
  24. stealth

    @dragon

    “Ninty has lost 73% of market value since ds,wii era. Why would that have happened if they were fine?”

    And Sony list 90% of its overall market share. Doesnt make much difference.

    “And this is just wrong. Sony sold more hardware in Fy2013 than any other company. MS would also have a chance they had a portable console.”

    HAHAHAHAHA Nintendo sold more 3ds’s alone than Sonys entire amount

    #24 11 months ago
  25. monkeygourmet

    Bar the Wii U (which is just about to become profitable after one year), I thought the point of Nintendo consoles that they made profit ‘out the gate’.

    If this wasn’t sound business, why have Sony and to a lesser extent MS, both done a similar thing with next gen?

    When will PS4 break even? 2016? Nintendo may well have another console prepped by then…

    How many years and re-iterations does it take for a console like the PS3 / PS Vita to ACTUALLY start making money?

    Please, some people seem to have a hard on for figures but know one explains things in a reasonable way.

    One minute Sony is doomed and selling buildings, not listing Vita in their figures etc… Then they are fine.

    Likewise with Nintendo, one minute the stocks are up, then the Wii U is doomed but yet other people say they have 2 plus consoles left of bad performance before they take a dive?

    Someone clear this shit up for once and for all, or, is it as I suspect and many people on here acting like Drama Queens whenever Nintendo is mentioned?

    Edit:

    Even if the Wii U bombs big time but lasts 3 years for exmple… In that 3 years it gathers 30 exclusives (thats a fair number I think), isn’t that great for a console that costs £149? Isn’t that good for gamers, to have a nice second option?

    Im a big 360 gamer and I don’t own 30 quality exclusives on that system and I’ve owned it 4 plus years…

    Man, people are dumb as shit sometimes…

    #25 11 months ago
  26. stealth

    @antraxsuicide

    Your opinion about the quality of the software is your alone.

    They put out many critically acclaimed games this year like pikmin 3, fire emblem, luigi’s mansion, ect.

    #26 11 months ago
  27. stealth

    @#26 I agree

    #27 11 months ago
  28. monkeygourmet

    Sony & MS would die for the combined line-ups of Wii U / 3DS and the sheer amount of quality titles launched over the last year…

    #28 11 months ago
  29. salarta

    … So I take it stealth posted Nintendo’s financials straight to our minds?

    Because a link hasn’t been given for that.

    #29 11 months ago
  30. TheWulf

    @10

    That’s what I keep thinking of them, too. It’s like when SEGA lost the plot, but then they found it much later by being a third party developer. I’m actually very interested in what SEGA is putting out, now, even in regards to the Sonic stuff.

    Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Transformed is, quite frankly, the best kart game I’ve ever played. It introduces so many creative, clever, and genuinely fun new gameplay mechanics that it leaves the increasingly dated and samey Mario Kart games in the dust.

    I don’t know if it would work out, though, because even with that comment I can see that SEGA were always more innovative than Nintendo. So I’m unsure of how Nintendo would fare. If they could learn to really shake things up with their franchises and make things different, though? Then yes, they’d be an amazing third-party developer, I’d be with you 100 per cent.

    The thing is, can they do that rather than simply remaking the same game over and over?

    #30 11 months ago
  31. stealth

    @29

    They would die for the system selling potential of those titles too.

    @31

    Sega died being a third party dev. 1 good game in a year? yeah fantastic. That racing game is not as good as any mario kart

    Stop being a hypcrite and asking Nintendo to go third party when they are not in any trouble

    #31 11 months ago
  32. polygem

    nintendos rights on ip´s like zelda, mario etc. are worth billions alone. billions…and they work very hard on keeping the legacy AND quality of those franchises alive. they will be worth even more over the years. nintendos main strength is keeping the highest quality standards and shaping their ip´s to make them better and better. nintendo isn´t going anywhere. they keep releasing one great game after another. for decades. it hasn´t stopped. atm they are in top form softwarewise. only people who don´t play their games would argue otherwise.
    this discussion makes no sense at all. people have no insight at all. most people arguing against nintendo don´t even own their systems. great experts right? i think it´s only projection. they think, hey, i don´t like nintendo, so they must be shit, they will fail. i don´t buy their stuff. noone can like their crap (they never even try or give it a chance though).
    it´s insane. if you have only a tiny idea of how the financial market rolls you just cannot doom nintendo. it´s totally absurd.
    you might say, hey i think they should focus on xyz rather than abc…but this nintendo is doomed, will go third party, they only have ds, they aren´t relevant anymore hyperbole is just extremely out of touch with reality.
    no links needed to proof this. common sense is more than enough.

    #32 11 months ago
  33. TheWulf

    @26

    That’s exactly why I kind of wish that Nintendo was a third-party developer. You own thirty quality exclusive titles, and you think that makes for a great console. It doesn’t. This is also why I wish that consoles were open platforms.

    It’s just platform exclusivity turning people into brand zombies and I hate that. If System X has Y exclusives, then System X is SO AWESOME, DIG IT. Except it’s not, it’s really not. It’s always the games which are awesome, and they’d run just as well on any other platform.

    So, yeah, people can be dumb sometimes.

    #33 11 months ago
  34. Lengendaryboss

    I can see the stereotypes are still being flung around without any proof, brilliant!

    This is aimed at people throwing stereotypes,i ain’t naming names.

    #34 11 months ago
  35. Lengendaryboss

    I missed the party apparently.

    #35 11 months ago
  36. Professor Zoom

    #17 The time for convincing publishers and developers to support peeyew has long past, the box is out now, you obviously bought the wrong system if you expected to play any of the great third party content that is out on the other systems, they have to fight, just like Sony and Microsoft, they have to talk to the studios and explain here’s what we’re doing, here’s what we’re planning and here’s how it works, to hear what they think. If you decide to make a box and just say make games to it, then I’d reject.

    #36 11 months ago
  37. antraxsuicide

    @stealth
    I’m not talking quality. I’m talking sales. They sell poorly when they aren’t the big Mario or Zelda titles.

    @monkeygourmet
    Sony will fall before Nintendo. Easily. Their profits are in the toilet, and have been for years. No one is loaning them money anymore. And they’re running out of buildings to sell. They’re screwed more than Nintendo.

    But I do worry about Ninty. It’s not the sales that are really my concern; just their philosophy on some things. They don’t seem willing at all to add in basic features that have been standard for years.

    #37 11 months ago
  38. Lengendaryboss

    @37
    Bethseda?

    #38 11 months ago
  39. TheWulf

    @32

    Using buzz-word ad hominem really doesn’t do you any justice, especially when hypocrite doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    And I’m sorry, but Mario Kart Wii was awful, it was even worse than Double Dash. At least with Double Dash they were trying to do something marginally interesting. With Mario Kart Wii though they just went back to remaking teh same game over and over.

    Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Transformed took karting games in a new direction, and it’s now become the standard by which all others are judged. Try playing it, you’d actually like it if you did.

    #39 11 months ago
  40. TheWulf

    @36

    Me too!

    Though it’s kind of amusing how insular Nintendo fans are. I can admit that some PC games are utter trash (I’ve spoken about this at length), but every Nintendo game is the greatest thing ever.

    It’s like a cult, sometimes.

    #40 11 months ago
  41. II-WAR-STEINER-II

    #5

    100% agree! I don’t know Nintendo feels like a arrogant women meanwhile, or like a angry kid idk but they have to change something befor they ruin the whole history of Nintendo.

    #41 11 months ago
  42. stealth

    @antraxsuicide

    That isnt remotely true. Nintendo in the last 8 years has sold over a billion units of software.

    More than the next 4 places combined.

    The 2ds will be the top selling sku of this year. Not sure its going to be close

    #42 11 months ago
  43. Lengendaryboss

    @41
    :) I can respect their opinion, but as noticed they start throwing stereotypes around if we don’t agree with them.

    #43 11 months ago
  44. sleaker

    Here’s that financial data for the last 2 years:

    http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130424e.pdf

    - You can see why Nintendo is being de-valued pretty inherently, their YoY sales are flat, and from 2011 to 2012 they took a huge nose-dive on YoY Sales and haven’t been able to get it back.

    http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/annual1103e.pdf

    From 2009 to 2012 Nintendo net sales dropped off back to 1/3rd of what it was. In addition in 2012 they had a net loss. 2013 actually had worse sales than 2012, the only thing that kept Nintendo in the green was not taking foreign exchange losses.

    If Holiday is looking bad for them due to weak product (WiiU is weak). Then they are going to get devalued until they release something that consumers want.

    #44 11 months ago
  45. monkeygourmet

    I think the main problem Nintendo have faced with Wii U has been the PS3 & 360.

    It’s almost like going up against 2 PS2′s in their prime. Thats a tough battle.

    I honestly think Nintendo squandered the 1 year lead a bit, however, if they have some bombshells to be announced early next year, things will get easier for them.

    What they had to offer in the first year wasn’t enough to pull people’s suckling mouth’s off their PS3 / 360′s udders while they waited to be surgically attached to the new next gen udders of PS4 / Xbone.

    Udders.

    #45 11 months ago
  46. stealth

    @46

    I agree, things can always get better

    #46 11 months ago
  47. monkeygourmet

    @40

    I have Sonic Transformed on my Wii U (prob the best version for party play), and, while fun, everyone also goes back to Mario Kart’s more ‘precise’ control and tactile feeling of the weapons.

    The ‘powerslide’ on Sonic is weak compared to Mariokart…

    Sonic is a good game though, whats it taken now? About 5 years for someone to get a Kart style game even close to the quality of Mario Kart?

    Out of all the 100′s of pretenders?

    Also, do you play Mario Kart on Wii with friends, or just single player on Dolphin? (I thought you were PC only?)

    #47 11 months ago
  48. SplatteredHouse

    @33: “it´s insane. if you have only a tiny idea of how the financial market rolls you just cannot doom nintendo. it´s totally absurd.”

    Nintendo wouldn’t be doomed, even if the WiiU proved to be an absolute sales turkey. However, that doesn’t mean that it is wrong to be dismayed at their prioritising and strategies, which they fail to successfully act to realise. For instance, they say they want games for all.

    They then, make a huge blunder by dispatching of much of their existing audience (by having a lagging release strategy), and in the end show poor management, as they manage to let their own platform fall away under them, amid the fallout of what remained, on the Wii.
    They left much of their traditional fanbase on hold, to be showered in dreck, for months at a time.
    The new audience, they were catered to; but in the connected era, Nintendo completely missed. Everyone’s friends bought other, more user-friendly systems. Critical error that Nintendo allowed itself to get sidestepped like that. How do you get those families back, that now exist elsewhere, as a group of gamertags and across friends lists? Nintendo doesn’t seem to know!

    The initial XBLA offering trumped much of what Nintendo offered, later on. THERE, you could get those experiences. On PSN you could get the sort of games that Nintendo no longer offered. I mean, Microsoft and Sony really “did what Nintendon’t” this gen.
    Nintendo were astonishingly late to establish online purchasing. And, once it did arrive, the stock was limited by publisher’s desire to cater, whereas on XBOX/PS it was more conceivable to directly port. While a more receptive, accessible audience typically awaited, once that happened.

    Nintendo was not particularly engaged in pushing games other than its own, and my last trip to the 3DS store reminds me that things still have a level of intuitiveness absent, from what you do find on the graphically stronger, and technologically more well-developed platforms.

    #48 11 months ago
  49. Clupula

    I can imagine if Nintendo’s Japanese headquarters were on fire, surrounded by angry mobs who were holding high the heads of Miyamoto and Iwata, Stealth would still say, “Nintendo are doing fine.”

    #49 11 months ago
  50. monkeygourmet

    @49

    All very good points.

    Nintendo just isn’t going to ‘beat’ Sony and MS at certain things though.

    It will never have the online multiplayer following COD on Live has. I suppose, why be third place at something when you can forge a different path.

    I can understand that being fustrating for people who want Nintendo to go ‘toe to toe’ with the big 2, but, I feel it would ultimatly backfire.

    I don’t even class the Wii in with the 360/PS3, the same way as I don’t class the Wii U directly with the PS4 / Xbone. I intend to get them all when I get the chance, but use the Wii U alot for exclusives.

    With the logic of having systems directly competing with one another, one is always going to ‘win’, and the other systems are either not purchased or used for exclusives if the person wants multiple consoles.

    By securing a cheaper manufacturing process, Nintendo seems to be trying to ensure that they become ‘that’ second console…

    How many people will fork out £800 for PS4 & Xbone at launch? Not many, but, i’m sure quite a few people would happily go for Wii U and PS4 for example, the same way people used to say Wii60 or PS Wii from last gen.

    Only one console can ‘win’ if they offer such similar things. This way (for better or worse), Nintendo gets to let Sony / MS fight it out while hoping to lap up extra sales and make profit off each console sold.

    They effectivaly dodge the ‘punch’. If Nintendo had spent a shit load more on power and Network features, a lot of people would have prob waited for Sony / MS’s offering anyway (brand loyality and all that), and Nintendo would have wasted a shit load on R & D etc… while games like Mario would have hardly looked any better…

    #50 11 months ago
  51. absolutezero

    What do people gain by Nintendo not making games anymore?

    Would the industry be a better place without them? Is that actually what people think? It’s just really fucking bizarre.

    #51 11 months ago
  52. monkeygourmet

    @52

    Yes, thats exactly what people like.

    It’s ultimate confirmation they were ‘right’ to not like them.

    It was the same with Sega Vs. Nintendo, some people actually wanted Sega to fold and all their games be destroyed because it would finally prove Mario was better than Sonic.

    (which it is) :)

    Now, we have the Playstaion generation (cool dudes), and Nintendo being for babies, it’s just the same all over again…

    #52 11 months ago
  53. Lengendaryboss

    More stereotypes/generalisations/assumptions, brilliant.

    #53 11 months ago
  54. AngryConsumer

    at this time next year nintendo will be done, mark my words… this we see here is just the beginning.

    #54 11 months ago
  55. Lengendaryboss

    @55
    PS3fanboy? Very similar to him :?

    #55 11 months ago
  56. absolutezero

    I just don’t understand this entire site is about games. Its not about corporations or companies or consoles.

    Its about games, why would you actively want something that creates great games to stop making great games? Simply because you dislike the games regardless of quality?

    To see something great die? Is that it?

    #56 11 months ago
  57. monkeygourmet

    @57

    Why do people chop down a 500 year old tree?

    #57 11 months ago
  58. monkeygourmet

    Even though the fruit rarely blooms, when it does, it’s delicious.

    #58 11 months ago
  59. DrDamn

    @51
    Agree with this. Nintendo should never try to go toe to toe with Sony/MS. It’s not playing to their strengths and it will end in tears. However that doesn’t mean they can just continue as they have ignoring the changes in their own audience. Network features is one of those areas.

    #59 11 months ago
  60. Clupula

    @58 – Progress?

    #60 11 months ago
  61. monkeygourmet

    @61

    Burn it!!!!

    Chop it down!!! :)

    #61 11 months ago
  62. polygem

    i hate it when people always scream for proof in a discussion like this. it´s just a fun discussion about videogames basically. no need to prove every single sentence. at all. that´s so unsexy and immature. this is not about politics. it´s not a job. most of the time the shit people post as proof is just some crap from the net that proves nothing anyway. it only makes them feel better…but well, i guess that´s something too.

    to prove that nintendos ip´s are worth billions alone is like wanting me to prove that obama is the current president of the usa or that dawn of the dead is basically a movie about undead people.

    some things are just common sense.

    but well, i can post you a link if that helps…if that proves shit is up to you. i don´t care.

    “Buried in reams of financial data is the revelation that Nintendo have 812.8 billion Yen (£6.7/$10.5 billion) in the bank – enough for it to take a 20 billion Yen loss (£163/$257 million) every year until 2052. Then there’s almost 469 billion Yen (£3.8/$6.0 billion) held in premises, equipment and investments. When that runs out – we’re in the year 2075 by this point – they’ve got some of the most valuable intellectual property in gaming to sell off before the company goes out of business.”

    http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/

    ps:@ monkey, man i wanted to post the exact same thing about sega´n all stars racings slide mechanic. i love that game, it´s great but in the gameplay department/ driving mechanics mk still feels so much smoother to me.

    #62 11 months ago
  63. Lengendaryboss

    @63
    I’m sorry Polygem and others but if your going to label people (not just referring to Dragon) that give Nintendo criticism as don’t like/play Nintendo games without any proof of their gaming collection. Well what else am i supposed to say?

    #63 11 months ago
  64. polygem

    well, they could prove it? :)

    i am ready to share my gaming id´s…

    #64 11 months ago
  65. Professor Zoom

    #51 Not this old outdated argument again.

    People don’t buy Wii + Xbox anymore, that’s past long ago, because the lack of games, probably 1/4 of all Wii 1 owners ended up selling the system. Now people go smartphone + PS/Xbox. People don’t have time to play on all consoles simultaneously and afford to have room to several consoles and buy games to all of them.

    #65 11 months ago
  66. absolutezero

    What fucking people? The mythical people you just made up with sprinkled on meaningless statistics like 1/4 to justify your opinion you mean?

    Fucking meaningless statistic and NPD figures and sales charts being used to imply quality and not just popularity.

    This is what this generations legacy is, not games, fuck games. Gameplay pfffffttt Sales figures get me rock hard. Armchair analysts.

    I’m turning into Da Man.

    #66 11 months ago
  67. DSB

    Wouldn’t it be kinda silly to ignore sales figures though? The industry as it is right now is based on the most ridiculous brands of pop psychology (which is really only one tier above listening to a fucking Indian guru) with a smattering of sales data thrown in for good measure.

    It’s pathetic, but it’s what determines which games get made and which games don’t.

    #67 11 months ago
  68. polygem

    @58 and 59: monkeyguru?

    #68 11 months ago
  69. monkeygourmet

    @69

    :D

    #69 11 months ago
  70. monkeygourmet

    @64

    I will tend to tailor my responses based on people I am talking too…

    An outright troll, I may troll or joke with if im inclined.

    People who label, I try to do the same back so they can see the reflection of their ugly views.

    People who want to have a meaniful chat, I respond in kind.

    Like a cheap whore…

    #70 11 months ago
  71. absolutezero

    Charts I can kinda understand but its this whole postulating and worrying. It takes away from the games themselves.

    Sales charts used to be something that would appear in a magazine once a month to be skipped over to get to the actual content. Now it seems theres a distinct following just for NPD figures and Mystic Meg style sooth-saying.

    Its just this generation aswell, I can’t remember anything like this much attention focused on Pachter and his ilk during the PS2 days.

    #71 11 months ago
  72. monkeygourmet

    @72

    Also, it’s chasing the impossable sometimes.

    It’s easy to argue that chasing the COD ‘dream sales figures’ have comprimised a lot of games this gen and outright ruined franchises…

    trying to replicate the Wii is nigh on impossable, Sony / MS and even Nintendo are going to be hard put to achieve what that console did when it comes to the perfect storm of advertising / price point etc…

    Shareholders are a fucker like that…

    See’s the Wii success…

    Make another just like that or better!!! I demand PROFIT ROAR!!!!

    Carving new business is very important in a landscape dominated by ‘media boxes’. Nintendo at least try new things, even if it bites them in the ass every now and then.

    All at the same time as getting accused as ‘old hat’… Yeah, get with the times Granpa Nintendo, make a console thats the same as the other 2… That always works…

    #72 11 months ago
  73. Lengendaryboss

    @All where necessary.
    Oh yes because offering criticisms equals not liking/owning Nintendo games. Or it could equal why are all these people saying Nintendo is doomed? This people haven’t played it, they don’t know what they are talking, your an Nintendo hater etc etc and when called out for proof i see nothing.

    Also defending Nintendo from stereotypes using stereotypes against others equals hypocrisy:
    “Now, we have the Playstaion generation (cool dudes), and Nintendo being for babies, it’s just the same all over again…”

    http://www.key-dynamics.com/Portals/211194/images/critics.png
    Even if the above isn’t true, what happened to criticism is the sincerest form of flattery?

    #73 11 months ago
  74. polygem

    @absolutezero:

    “I’m turning into Da Man.”

    DaMan is the godfather. he´s spot on about what´s happening on this page. he sometimes shoots his lightning spears as a “polite” reminder for us all.

    that´s how i see that :)

    #74 11 months ago
  75. absolutezero

    Offering criticism?

    oh please spare me.

    #75 11 months ago
  76. polygem

    i think, if…IF, the long term strategy of nintendo is to make a hybrid console -handheld/homeconsole, the wiiu is the perfect machine to pave the way for something like that. everything points in that direction imo. nintendo is getting the network ready, is bringing nintendo id and miiverse to the 3ds finally. having the touchpad on the wiiu now would really help to make a transition to a next hybrid nintendo console much more easy. consumers will instantly get what it´s all about.

    (regarding that hybrid console vision. credits to og again)

    #76 11 months ago
  77. Lengendaryboss

    @76
    It is criticism, lacking games is subjective sure but is criticism:
    I’m quoting others now:

    “Especially because they’ve expertly cultivated an atmosphere of near-noxious intensity towards third-party “partners” on their system.”
    Criticism

    “the thing is, can they do that rather than simply remaking the same game over and over?”
    Criticism

    “The time for convincing publishers and developers to support peeyew has long past, the box is out now, you obviously bought the wrong system if you expected to play any of the great third party content that is out on the other systems, they have to fight, just like Sony and Microsoft, they have to talk to the studios and explain here’s what we’re doing, here’s what we’re planning and here’s how it works, to hear what they think. If you decide to make a box and just say make games to it, then I’d reject.”
    Criticism

    Whether you acknowledge it or not, its criticism no dancing around it: all of that might not equal
    “Oh yes because offering criticisms equals not liking/owning Nintendo games. Or it could equal why are all these people saying Nintendo is doomed? This people haven’t played it, they don’t know what they are talking, your an Nintendo hater etc etc and when called out for proof i see nothing.”

    #77 11 months ago
  78. monkeygourmet

    @LBoss

    Your position would have stronger foundations if you didn’t get your virtual ‘popcorn’ ready so much…

    Trying to take your current approach after the amount of ‘popcorn’ you have gorged on in Nintendo threads seems somewhat distasteful! :)

    #78 11 months ago
  79. Lengendaryboss

    And to be honest i’m sick of this Nintendo shouldn’t receive criticism but Sony and MS its all fine, i’m complain about their flaws no controversy i stumble on a Nintendo thread to do the same controversy.

    I criticise COD and Activision: no controversy. i criticise games where relevant: nothing.

    But when it comes to Nintendo its forbidden.

    There is no justifiable reason why Nintendo shouldn’t criticised like the others.

    #79 11 months ago
  80. Lengendaryboss

    @Monkey
    The difference is thats just me knowing theres going to be an argument and like i said before its not just Nintendo threads. So that is irrelevant to my position/posts/comments.

    My approach isn’t linked with the popcorn, my mouth is :D

    #80 11 months ago
  81. monkeygourmet

    @80

    A food / wine critic for example, eats the food / drinks the wine, then critiques it.

    I have absolutly no problem with this.

    Not many food critics say:

    ‘Im going to review / critique this food I haven’t even tasted, nor wish too…’

    That is the difference.

    #81 11 months ago
  82. Lengendaryboss

    @82
    You know what is funny?

    You don’t know if any of them have critiqued the food, its stereotypes/generalisations/assumptions like mentioned above.

    I hate loads of games (ATM), i haven’t critiqued it fully, make my views public no controversy.

    Thats the difference.

    Nintendo no matter what anyone says shouldn’t be exempted from this.

    #82 11 months ago
  83. polygem

    hey LB, it´s all good…this discussion has some great criticism going on. i just wish we could have a nintendo discussion without the permatrolls one day. i personally only have a problem with the constant -and i mean EVERY SINGLE TIME wiiu gamepad is a gimmick, kids games, no variety in game genres, same game since 30 years, ninty doomed bullshit…and let´s face it. this is the stuff we´re getting in EVERY nintendo thread, mostly from the same people who don´t even play nintendo games. you know that and i know that. what these guys are doing is anything but criticism. it´s just shitting on nintendo articles because a.) they think it´s cool, hardcore, mature, whatever or b.) they actually secretly would like to play these games as well but just can´t afford it or c.) are just plain stupid trolls or d.) all of the above.
    i don´t need to prove this. that´s just how it is.

    #83 11 months ago
  84. Lengendaryboss

    I give up i’m done.

    #84 11 months ago
  85. polygem

    ok then.

    i don´t believe you though :)

    #85 11 months ago
  86. monkeygourmet

    @83

    Not all, you are right.

    But Poly, OG, Ireland Michael etc… I rely on certain peoples opinions more than others. Then what happens?

    Idiots start up things like:

    Here’s the tagteam lolz…

    Dr. Damn is a good example, he’s on my Nintendo ID and I can see him play alot of Nintendo games. He critiques Nintendo alot, yet I see his points alot of the time and can respect his views.

    It really helps knowing he’s speaking from personal experience rather than someone who only owns 1 Sony console, has no desire to EVER play a Nintendo / MS game offering their sage opinion…

    #86 11 months ago
  87. Lengendaryboss

    @86
    For now, it seems my points aren’t sinking in.

    #87 11 months ago
  88. zinc

    I think we can all agree that Nintendo have fudged the launch of the WiiU.

    But, it can all be easily turned around by upping the profile of the WiiU being an actual new console & not a simple add-on for the Wii.

    That has been the main problem with the general public. Not the games.

    #88 11 months ago
  89. Joe Musashi

    Dismissing anothers opinion, no matter what the methods employed, doesn’t invalidate it.

    Dismiss less. Discuss more. Simple.

    I personally think the quote in #4 is very likely: “The value of iconic Nintendo franchises may be declining as younger generations discover gaming through mobile devices.”

    JM

    #89 11 months ago
  90. absolutezero

    Criticism is perfectly fine and even better is its equal everywhere.

    Whining is the worst thing to see. Bland, blind anger is sapping to read in almost every comment stream.

    #90 11 months ago
  91. monkeygourmet

    @90

    This may well hold true. If I had kids, I would infinitely rather them play on a 3DS / Vita over Smurf Village on IOS though.

    #91 11 months ago
  92. game_on

    I’ve bought Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 in de eShop yesterday. Hope this helps…

    #92 11 months ago
  93. polygem

    ^both great games.

    i’m playing both atm as well.

    shame that games like this don’t sell too good. it really is sad actually.

    and yeah, i indeed think it’s especially sad when you come to a very dedicated games site like this and many, if not most people hanging around STILL don’t want to buy games like these but preorder the shit out of the ps4 nextboxes and fifacod.

    i don’t blame anyone, it’s personal preference, sure but i can’t lie, i think it’s sad.

    pikmin 3 is such a superpolished and charming game. it’s pikmin deluxe really. loving this version.

    w101 is a unique and superfun action game. great humour too. it really mocks the action and shooter genre in a very charming way.

    i loved the gamecube. it had so many great games. even IF the wiiu will face the same destiny it will still be a great console if games like these keep coming…and it looks like it.

    #93 11 months ago
  94. fihar

    @poly
    That’s the thing.
    As an investment, the PS4/X1 is guaranteed to give you much more bang for your buck than the Wii-U and it’s not like the PS4/X1 will have any shortage of quirky, charming titles as well.
    Rime and Zoo Tycoon is a start and with the extensive indie push from both manufacturers, you can bet your ass it’s just going to grow exponentially from here on out.

    I’d rather have something that could provide a mix of both worlds (PS4 and X1) rather than to have something that is obviously skewed into only offering mostly one (the Wii-U).

    #94 11 months ago
  95. polygem

    @fihar: yeah, i understand that. absolutely! i’m totally with you. if you want to chose only one system it can make sense to go ps or xbox only. i personally think more and more it could even make more sense to go wiiu and 3ds though because even many praised aaa titles bored me to death in the last few years.

    what sucks are the many, countless, people bashing the shit out of the system, pretending to be the gaming experts incrowd that knows whats up but never NEVER, point out the many positives about the system. that’s sad, because it’s extremely narrow minded and shortsighted.

    #95 11 months ago
  96. polygem

    well there are indies, watchdogs, cod etc. on wiiu as well though. the focus is just different. i like the focus the wiiu has personally. if you mainly want to play the watchdogs and asscreeds and only sometimes crave a good 2d platformer or weird adventure game then the wiiu might not be the top priority system, yea.

    but i don’t get why there’s so much to hate for that. i just don’t get it. in my book it is a very very good thing that the system is different. people wanted that, new gaming experiences, innovation, complaining all the time, being bored about gaming, wanting new stuff…now it’s there and they still only buy their cod’s?

    and then they say ‘nintendo’ is the one not getting out of their comfort zone? o…k…?

    #96 11 months ago
  97. game_on

    @94 polygem
    Great games indeed. They might not sell very much in retail, but don’t forget that these games are available in the eShop at day 1. Also (I don’t now if this is the same in every region) buying Pikmin 3 in the eShop gives a discount of 30% on W101. I’m curious how many copies are sold digitally.

    #97 10 months ago