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Halo 4 designer calls out Kojima’s recent ‘sexy character’ quotes, brands them “disgusting”

Friday, 6 September 2013 10:42 GMT By Dave Cook

Halo 4 designer David Ellis has branded Hideo Kojima’s recent explanation as to why he wanted to make Metal Gear Solid 5′s characters more ‘sexy’ as “disgusting”.

Kojima’s original tweet can be found here..

The tweets read, “I’ve been ordering to Yoji Shinkawa, character and environment artist for MGS V] to make the character more erotic, and he did it well. Recently I’ve been making characters this way. I create the setting thoroughly, how he/she spent early life, name, style, favorite phrase, fashion, action to stand the character out. The initial target is to make u want to do cosplay or its figurine to sell well.”

Kojima’s message pertained to the character Quiet, who can be seen in Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain wearing this:

The image and Kojima’s tweets have caused outrage in some corners of the internet. Attempts to cool the issue at a Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes event in LA last night did little to help the matter either.

According to Kojima and the game’s designer, Quiet’s design is not gratuitous, will make sense in time.

Now, 343 Industries designer has tweeted his disgust at the matter:

What do you make of Quiet’s outfit and Kojima’s tweets? Let us know below.

You can check out Phil’s impressions of the brand-new Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes demonstration here.

Via OXM.

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200 Comments

  1. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    Top lel

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Mike W

    There’s entirely to many whiners and complainers. How does that character design offend or disgust someone is beyond me.

    These western developers are fucking crybabies, why he won’t focus on making his own game instead worrying about what other developers are doing?

    #2 2 years ago
  3. wildBoar

    Tennis for me then….. FFS

    Time to send some Cortana fan art to this Ellis guy then.. And not the PG kind.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Zarckan

    It’s a bit much, but it’s what Kojima’ does.

    I just think Mr Ellis likes the cock too much

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Lengendaryboss

    Oh here we go:
    http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3dadjzbx11r5jtugo1_400.gif

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Hcw87

    Metal Gear has allways been over the top, this doesn’t really trigger any reaction to me. Other than she does look hot.

    I can see why some women have problems with this though, but i’d guess most males would be happy.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Kieran

    realism was never MGS strong point but this lad is right a women whos a soldier is half naked is pretty stupid and eva from mgs3 is still laughable !!

    but japanese games were always like that but funny hairstyles & colour and their rack size !! iv always wondered why those games sell so bad in the west and these are 1 of the reasons

    #7 2 years ago
  8. wildBoar

    Boobs are boobs, I don’t mind it if Kojima wants to fanservice, just wait till the white knights get here to tell us how despiccable it is.

    Because Metal gear is all about the realism…

    #8 2 years ago
  9. matirishhh

    Mr. Ellis would rather see boys in torn clothes I pressume….Well everybody can have an opinion. I love those designs

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Mike W

    @9

    He’s a fucking hypocrite, he stated in his tweet (a conversation that he’s having with some dumb ass) that he didn’t see anything wrong with the design with Bayonetta and she’s fucking naked the entire game and is only clothed by her weave/hair!

    But all of sudden this design disgust him and the so-called industry is better than this?!

    Fuck this clown!

    #10 2 years ago
  11. absolutezero

    When things like this happen why do all of the edgy teenagers come out with gay slurs?

    Is that really the answer that you’ve got? You like men instead?

    This character design is fucking atrocious, I’m offended that Shinkawa thinks that this is “more sexy”, the guy that created the look of Sniper Wolf and The Boss.

    Metal Gear 5 just looks like more and more of a cluster fuck, just completely out of control and stupid, all that shit with the Phantom Pain, Ground Zeroes and the terrible E3 trailer filled with bad by Metal Gear standard dialogue.

    Kojima, mate, stop watching Drive on repeat. You are not a movie director. Just make the fucking game then please for the love of God make something completely different.

    @#10

    Bayonetta is wearing a leather cat suit, its a cat suit made of hair in the story but for all intents and purposes of viewing the character design its a leather cat suit.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. wildBoar

    Y’know, Japan has some strange ideas about stuff, but I don’t think I’m one to tell them how they should behave in their own god damn country.
    If their games stopped selling in the west I’m sure they’d revision their apporach, they haven’t so clearly a lot of people don’t mind.

    First you bomb them and now you neg on them just for enjoying funbags, America you really are the purest evil. How about you get Hannah Montana to put her clothes back on before you start lecturing others?

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Fin

    Yay second thread in 24h that’s dominated my male assholes!

    Games industry should be inclusive. Designing characters like that makes people think it’s juvenile.

    “Guy doesn’t like scantily clad women in games? MUST BE GAY”

    @11

    +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

    PS: Dave you’re missing a semicolon in the twitter address, that’s why it’s not coming up.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. karma

    Personally I think it looks out of place for combat fatigues. But then I’m not a huge MGS fan so I don’t know what is par for the course. I certainly don’t know anything about her character or backstory. Maybe shes some sort of kinky Xenia Onatopp type? I dunno…

    I’ll judge the game after I play it.

    I will say this however, I think devs from other game studios that criticize other artists work for not conforming to their way of thinking (even if that criticism is relevant) are acting extremely unprofessional.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. ShiiRo

    This is absolutely hilarious coming from a guy that worked on HALO 4. Let’s take a look at the evolution of Cortana, shall we?

    http://abload.de/img/evolution_of_cortanar1uav.jpg

    Gee, I wonder if it was a priority for them to sex her up quite a bit in HALO 4? Or is Kojima “disgusting” because he actually said it rather than simply doing it?

    #15 2 years ago
  16. Beta

    “Hurr he don’t like bewbs, must be gayy”

    Get out, grow up, and stop lowering everyone’s IQ.

    I don’t agree with designing scantily clad characters to try and boost sales btw. It’s a cheap tactic.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @14 Really? Why do you say that?

    I think everyone, be they artist, critic or consumer, is entitled to critique the work of anyone else. So I’m simply curious as to why you say it’s unprofessional.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. viralshag

    Even as a guy I think this looks really stupid.

    Sure, it’s “sexy” but it’s still stupid. I guess we can look forward to the decent cosplayers, that’s a bonus I guess.

    I wonder if he does it so he can pick the best ones and sleep with them. Creepy but possible…

    #18 2 years ago
  19. GregSolidus

    But his game has a naked hologram in it…

    #19 2 years ago
  20. TheLastDodo

    “Don’t care if this gets me in trouble. This character design is disgusting. Our industry should be better than this.”

    And yet he sexed up one of the characters in his own game……..
    http://www.oxmonline.com/files/u40051/oxm_h4_cortana_big_0.jpg

    Nothing to get excited for here, just more gaming hypocrisy.

    Edit: 15 beat me to it.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. 2-D

    Didn’t notice she was only wearing stockings before lol. No matter how retarded it is…I like it. Feels like MGS.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. wildBoar

    @ 21 Exactly! Never change Metal Gear.. Snake has always been the sexiest beast anyways.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkw-c3R9Wtc

    #22 2 years ago
  23. Mike W

    @11

    You have to be fucking kidding me?!!

    So that makes ok that her “hair” is considered a cat suit….. so never mind the fact when she does her special witch moves, she’s naked……

    Hmmmm, this ok, but this design in MGS V isn’t?

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Darkwaknight

    Coming from the Guy that made Corana in Halo 4 far more “pleasing on the Eye” and bigger breasts!!! Pot meet Kettle!!

    #24 2 years ago
  25. Erthazus

    http://downloadwallpaperhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Halo-4-Game-Cortana-Wallpaper-HD-by-sweshadow90.jpg

    HOW ABOUT NAKED CORTANA THEN?

    #25 2 years ago
  26. redwood

    i dunno if it’s sexist or not..but .. it sure is a dumb-as-fuck design to have a bikini-clad sinper babe, in a narrative that is trying it’s damn hard to be serious. imagine if that happened in a call-of-duty game.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @26 You and I both know that would triple Call of Duty’s market

    #27 2 years ago
  28. redwood

    @27 sez the “porno critic” :D

    #28 2 years ago
  29. karma

    #17: “Really? Why do you say that?

    I think everyone, be they artist, critic or consumer, is entitled to critique the work of anyone else. So I’m simply curious as to why you say it’s unprofessional.”

    I agree, but how about waiting until after the work has been sampled in its full context, before he speaks out against what he “thinks” he knows.

    Its unprofessional because he works at a competing dev studio.

    How can his opinion not be considered biased?

    #29 2 years ago
  30. redwood

    am sorry.. i just couldn’t resist.. but you ARE right, though my point was that it will get a huge backlash from the press and alot of the grown-up gamers.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. Ireland Michael

    @10 Bayonetta is played for laughs. It isn’t meant to be taken seriously.

    Meanwhile, Kojima is trying to still delude himself into being some sort of creative genius, while creating some of the most unintentionally sexist and chauvinistic female characters imaginable… mainly because that’s what expected in Japanese games by the Japanese public.

    Kojima’s comments *were* disgusting and offensive, and hideously chauvinist. Hypocrisy by this guy or not, it doesn’t change the relevancy of the argument.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. Units

    Why is the Sniper wearing a bikini top?

    #32 2 years ago
  33. matirishhh

    @11 absolutezero Chill man, this is just a game, you don’t like it don’t play it, simple as that :) MGS was never a game for everybody and there is no need for cursing. We are all Gentleman are we not?

    #33 2 years ago
  34. Clupula

    Fuck this dudebro asshole hypocrite. Like your franchise doesn’t have a naked blue chick. Fuck off, shitsack.

    Personally, I love the design. Can’t wait to see her in motion. I really hope Kojima doesn’t cave to the prudes who are offended by the clothing of a set of polygons.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. GwynbleiddiuM

    The question is what has David Ellis done for better representation of women in his game?

    BTW Cortana says hi David…

    Anyway I don’t like it either, it’s too fucking much.

    #35 2 years ago
  36. Erthazus

    @31, Too much drama, Michael.

    In fact, Metal Gear does not sell well in Japan compared to EU, US and Kojima didn’t created this character design. Yoji Shinkawa did.
    Kojima just said to Shinkawa to design characters that can look sexy so people could cosplay or KojiPro could make figures.

    Personally i’m not a fan of this design but there must be a reason why he did this. If you remember he said that there will be a lot of controversies around the game’s story, characters.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. _LarZen_

    As I wrote on David Ellis Twitter page, this is a typical stereotype American comment. Lashing out on anything erotic and cant see that their hands are covered with blood.

    #37 2 years ago
  38. Mike W

    @31

    It does though, how dumb do we look as a society if we say it’s ok for one title to depict women one way (because going by your logic, it’s ok because it’s a comical game) and ridicule the other for doing the something similar?

    I’m really baffled by you and absoultezero’s logic on this matter, it seems like the two of you have something against Kojima’s MGS series as a whole or Kojima himself.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. Mike W

    @17

    Here’s an example, if Kojima or any Japanese developer for that matter were to say “The story in the Halo series is ridiculous”, do you think that is professional or not?

    Here’s a simpler one for you, if you’re at work and your co-worker tells other employees that he doesn’t like the way you write your “R’s” and “T’s”, do you think that is professional or not?

    #39 2 years ago
  40. polygem

    i mean i love halo and all but the main guy, the top hero, an overpowered supermale spartan warrior called master chief…disgusting?

    edit: indeed, good point! CORTANA in halo 4

    DISGUSTING!

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Ireland Michael

    @36 Why would you say that about the design of your female characters in the first place? It completely devalues the characters based solely on their gender.

    @38 I think Kojima is a hack, but that’s irrelevant. I would say the same thing regardless of the person.

    Like I said, Bayonetta is played for laughs. It’s not meant to be taken seriously. I don’t go into a comedy expecting overt seriousness, and I don’t watch a dram expecting an endless string of jokes.

    Bayonetta is laughing at itself. Metal Gear Solid tries to talk about the meaning of war and the dangers of technology while giving your character the push and incentive to look up the skirt of an imprisoned, largely defenceless woman… who is also needlessly sexualised.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. BurritoZ

    I see a lot of you guys complaining about something that isnt even woth complaining about. I mean whats wrong with her character design, i for one think it looks awesome. A sexy character design doesnt hurt at all. Yet alot of you are bitching like its the end of the world, i mean the blue cyber girl is completely nude and gets a lot off ass screen moments in halo 4 but i dont hear any complaints about that? Stop bitching and just wait to play the goddamn game.

    Lol i laugh at davids comment. Lol he should focus more on the crap he gets for halo 4, than critizing kojima who has always nailed it with metal gear and given gamers amazing experience’s with his games and storylines.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. polygem

    metal gear is a shit series anyway

    #43 2 years ago
  44. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @42 You forget BurritoZ, bitching about each others opinions is the ESSENCE of “gamer conversation”. If you were to remove it, what would we have left?

    #44 2 years ago
  45. Christopher Jack

    Should we also complain every time we see a shirtless man in a game? Surely some may see that as erotic or sexy. Kratos should be ashamed of himself! Cover dem man titties!

    #45 2 years ago
  46. _LarZen_

    We have for years and years have male character in games that are walls of muscle and they filled with testesterone and nothing close to what a man in real life is.

    And that is ok.

    But as soon as it’s a woman it’s all icky and disgusting.

    It’s a GAME it’s not meant to be like real life. That’s why we play games!
    We don’t see this kind of reaction (from normal persons) if there is a sexy person in a movie. Either it’s a man or a woman.

    The gamers, developers and the industry need to grow a pair of balls and grow up. Stop acting like a child trying to climb up on a chair so people can see you and scream from the top of your lungs that you are a adult and should be respected too.

    I am mind blown by the reaction to developers and journalists and gamer when it comes to sexuality in games. Violence and blood and guts are never discussed but when some skin is shown you freak out!

    Grow up!

    #46 2 years ago
  47. Ireland Michael

    @45 Kratos should be ashamed for being a tactically basic series that promotes juvenile and tasteless ultra violence, but that’s another debate alltogether.

    @46 I find those characters just as bad. The industry is capable of doing better.

    Again, its all about context. If Kojima wants a serious game, the designs should match that. Her costume, on top of simply being flat out lazy and tasteless, makes about as much sense as Sniper Wolf having her suit unzipped in arctic cold temperatures did…

    If it actually served sort of purpose, like the scene of The Boss with the scar at the end of MGS3 did, I could probably understand it. But Kojima essentially just admitted that the only reason the character looks this way is to sell toys and create display exposure, which is just sad.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. Kreion

    @42
    Well because Cortana is an AI so it makes sense for her to look like…well she can look like anything. But there’s no real reason for her to wear clothes since she wouldn’t exactly have the same sense of embarrassment as humans do. Plus she’s looked like that since the original *shrug*.

    You’re saying it looks awesome, and to an extent it does look cool, the question is if some of the choices are really necessary. A character can be sexy without having rips in her tights, and wearing only a rough approximation of clothes. A sexy character design doesn’t hurt, no one’s saying that, but something that’s too focused on a characters body DOES hurt the character. I mean there’s no way I could take someone like that seriously if she were a soldier.

    “Ah, I’ve been shot.” Yeah no shit, put some bloody body armor on and maybe it won’t be as bad next time -.-

    As for Kojima’s tweet’s, you’d get more people to cosplay them if they had a bit more clothes than that…there’s a limit to where most people will go. Though that is more pertinent in the west and MGS is an Eastern series.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. Christopher Jack

    @47, What’s wrong with juvenile & tasteless violence? Surely beats super realistic, gory violence.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. Mike W

    @47

    Ok I’m done with you, you’re acting real stupid now, you’re making absolutely no sense.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. _LarZen_

    @50 +1

    #51 2 years ago
  52. Ireland Michael

    @49 Hey, if its what you enjoy, go ahead. I’m not promoting or suggesting censorship or any kind. That doesn’t mean its free from critique though, and as a consumer and a game its my personal judgement on its value. I don’t think most of those kinds of games add anything of worth to the industry. They are disposable toys at best.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. Djoenz

    You dumb shits. Have you ever seen a female soldier wear that bullshit. Its totally unnecessary. Its just to sex it up. Cheap tacticts indeed.

    #53 2 years ago
  54. Erthazus

    Michael, too much drama out of nothing. No offence man.

    this is not a situation with gigantic boobs and pantsu all the time. There must be a reason on why character was designed that way.

    you read too much in to it.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. Ireland Michael

    @53 Exactly.

    @54 Reading too much into it? Those were Kojima’s own words.

    The character was designed “sexy” because she’s female, and half naked character designs sell. He *expressly* states this fact, and that it comes before things like actual character development. It cheapens the character, especially when they keep being put in submissive situation for the leering benefit of the player… for no reason whatsoever.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. Mus42

    Just stick Snake in a Cod-piece, for the sake of balance, and we can all move on to the next thing that needs to be moaned about.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. _LarZen_

    @47

    Have the Metal Gear games ever been serious? You see her costume as tasteless I see a beautiful strong woman that is showing heir beauty.

    If she would just have a standard army suit on she would be boring. It’s like watching the movie Kill Bill without the yellow iconic suit.

    Or watching a Tomb Raider movie or playing a game without the iconic suit, it’s not disgusting and icky. It’s sexy and it is not stripping women of their dignity. It’s empowering them!

    But that is probably the core of the mater for many, where some see feminism and sexuality as a weakness and something disgusting I and other see it as strength and something beautiful. And something completely natural.

    #57 2 years ago
  58. silkvg247

    I don’t find the fact that she is half naked offensive, she *is* sexy – I find the fact that I’m supposed to believe that any combatant would wear that kind of gear in the first place an absolute insult to all of my senses. If she’s in the game to be a stripper or whore then I am 100% fine, if that’s her character.. fine.

    If she’s a soldier or whatever then they can just fuck off, it’s the usual case of showing tits as a fan service to the young hot blooded boys and not giving a shit about depreciating women in combat roles and also not giving a shit about devaluing women to be mere eye candy in general.

    Totally agree with the tweets, he is spot on and shouldn’t have deleted them.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. Ireland Michael

    @56 Lord forbid people actually discuss and debate topics in a mature manner instead of being utterly apathetic to everything in existence. That seems to be the “in” thing nowadays.

    @57 She’s a twig. There’s nothing strong about her in any physical sense. This is *not* how strong women represent themselves. Not even close.

    “But that is probably the core of the mater for many, where some see feminism and sexuality as a weakness and something disgusting I and other see it as strength and something beautiful. And something completely natural.”

    I have absolutely no problem with woman presenting their sexuality as they chose, but this has absolutely nothing to do with that. This is a man designing a woman as a man wants them to be, not as an actual character that just happens to be female.

    Kojima has been notoriously terrible with female characters. The only female character he’s ever managed to create that wasn’t hideously sexist was The Boss. Apparently he doesn’t learn anything from that.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. Fin

    @59

    I LIKE MY VIDEOGAMES AND I DON’T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE CRITICISING MY VIDEOGAMES. ONLY I GET TO DO THIS.

    COD SUCKS BTW

    ALSO, I LIKE BOOBS

    #60 2 years ago
  61. Mus42

    @59 Jesus, you should listen to yourself, you do bleat on don’t you…

    #61 2 years ago
  62. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @60 Elegant.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. GregSolidus

    Does no one remember The Boss or Fortune?

    #63 2 years ago
  64. SplatteredHouse

    @54 She’s certainly gaining quite a reaction, huh. A sniper surely appreciates those who stand nice and still!

    The trailer I saw at GC, showed that the landscape appeared to be arid. That said, this image is stripped of any context – there’s no backdrop. The character’s set against a plain, nondescript background.
    The character’s face. She seems absorbed. Somewhere else.

    Her right hand. Is that a casual pose? It is near to her hunting knife, and surely within grasp of the sidearm in its holster, by her side. Is she burdened with the task of challenging the player, as much as the player character.

    #64 2 years ago
  65. Djoenz

    @58
    You hit the nail right there. That was exactly my point and how I think about it as well. Well said.

    +10000!

    #65 2 years ago
  66. Fin

    @62

    Thanks bro!
    I think I encapsulated a lot of the thinking in this thread (and among gamers in general).

    #66 2 years ago
  67. The Dude

    @59 “She’s a twig. There’s nothing strong about her in any physical sense. This is *not* how strong women represent themselves. Not even close.”

    I didn’t realise there was a correct and accepted way for a woman to represent herself as strong.

    Please do elaborate…

    #67 2 years ago
  68. GwynbleiddiuM

    @56
    “Well, let’s go for the Black Russian, shall we? It always terrifies the clergy!”
    - Edmund Blackadder

    #68 2 years ago
  69. GregSolidus

    @58, barely anyone in MGS dresses for the occasion, men and women alike.

    #69 2 years ago
  70. polygem

    i think michael is spot on here and post 59 nails it.
    also plus one to silk.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. Ireland Michael

    @61 I apologise for actually using my brain to string a collection of thoughts together is a vaguely coherent manner.

    This kind of reactionary bullshit is entirely why I don’t comment on 99% of the discussion on this site anymore. You can’t have a single opinion of your own without someone turning it into a personal shit flinging match.

    If you want bleating, read something by TheWulf or salarta.

    @67 It exists for the sake of male libidos. Kojima essentially said as such. It’s juvenile otaku fetishism. Paz from Peace Walker was one of the worst examples of this in the series.

    @69 Yet its only ever the women who are put in overly sexualised, submissive positions, for the benefit of the male cast.

    #71 2 years ago
  72. CycloneFox

    Why is everyone pulling the ‘sexism in videogames’ topic at the moment? And especially why when it comes to Japanese games? Except for the nintendo-stuff you hardly ever have stereotypical female demsels in a japanese videogame. You may be right when it comes to portraying female characters. But in those cases, men are treated equally. Especially in the Megal Gear series. The only difference is, that Japanese game characters actually look good. And yes of course, this is a selling part.

    #72 2 years ago
  73. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @72 Because it’s a hot topic as of current, and you might as well cry foul at things that have always existed and will always continue to exist, because why not?

    #73 2 years ago
  74. Mus42

    @71 Sorry if I don’t enjoy you trying to force feed your opinion down my throat. We don’t all have to agree with you, I imagine that might come as a shock to you, but some people have no problem with what Kojima has done with this character, if you do then that’s your choice. Your rules do not apply to me, and many others. Stop telling other people how they should think and feel.

    #74 2 years ago
  75. YoungZer0

    Why are people surprised? Hideo is the king of fanservice.

    #75 2 years ago
  76. Clupula

    What I find most amusing about this is how it’s basically a bunch of men (and silk) sitting around their computers arguing over what is or isn’t okay for a fictional female character to wear. Fuck off. Wait for the game to come out and then judge it.

    What amuses me the most is that I reposted this picture on my Facebook, basically to say how brave I thought Kojima is being in this time where sexy = sexist to most journalists, and all of the positive comments about her design have been from women. Every single one. Funny how that works out.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. Ireland Michael

    @74 Forcefeed? I made a post about my personal opinion. You chose to reply.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. The Dude

    I’d just like to point out that Vamp is always trotting around without a top on like a slightly trampy flamenco dancer. And Liquid Snake didn’t care much for shirts either, even though he was in a cold, snowy environment (in which Solid had to wear a special sneaking suit to keep warm… hmm).

    Both of these characters are portrayed as soldiers. But hey… male power-fantasy, right?

    #78 2 years ago
  79. absolutezero

    Heres a list of all the Metal Gear games I own :

    Metal Gear Solid + VR Missions
    MGS 2 + Substance
    MGS 2 Xbox
    MGS 2 PC
    MGS Twin Snakes
    MGS 3 + Subsistence
    MGS Portable OPS
    MGS Portable OPS+
    MGS Peace Walker
    MGS 4
    MGS HD Collection 360, PS3 and Vita
    MGS Digital Comic 1 + 2
    MG Ac!d 1 + 2
    MG RISING REVENGINGING

    (I think thats all of them? I dunno there might be more somewhere, oh the GB game aswell.)

    I am a fucking huge Metal Gear fan. Huge.

    I still think Quiet looks terrible, I still think MGS 5 is a huge confused mess of conspiracy theories and bullshit rumours. I still think Kojima has no idea whats hes doing anymore and that he has spent far too much time watching Drive instead of creating games.

    The point I was trying to make about Bayo was that her normal usual design as a character design is far far better than Quiet, its sexy without being stupid. It does not matter that its her hair because thats a part of the story not the design of the character, Quiet could be a fully clothed marine with some sort of bonkers camo suit thats a sexy lady, that does not matter because the design of the character is terrible.

    The two things are not linked together.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. Mus42

    @77, urgh you truly are a sad little troll aren’t you – we’re done.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. _LarZen_

    #59 But this is Kojima’s vision, and his work. I think we should respect that and either buy the game or not. Not go out like some developers have done and call it disgusting and icky.

    They should stay professional and respect other people’s work.

    What if developers that do not make violent games went out on Twitter and lashed out to all developers that makes violent games? Calling it disturbing and disgusting.

    As it often is..

    The vision and work developers do should be respected either it’s violent games or games with erotic character or scenes.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. The Dude

    @71 Alrighht, I’m not going to disagree with you about Paz… Still. This is OK to me.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. Clupula

    @59 – She’s a twig?!? Isn’t judging women on their body types a wee bit, oh, I dunno, sexist?

    I guess if she were a bit more chunky, you’d approve.

    #83 2 years ago
  84. absolutezero

    Basically in a series where Meryl exists, this is stupid or The Boss or Sniper Wolf.

    It seems since 4/Peace Walker Koji has lost his fucking mind. The sexiness of Eva was because of the overalls combined with the bikini underneath, imagine if her character appeared on that bike just wearing the bikini and nothing else. How would your opinion of her character change?

    Leaving shit to imagination, the details in the Health viewer all the little jokes, Snakes boob first person view. Everything about her design was in-keeping with the World and the idea of sexy Bond Lady.

    Its not like I am on a personal crusade against the games you like, I don’t see an overall trend or anything. I defended Killer is Dead to the hilt because I see nothing at all wrong with what it did within context, I could have complained about the character designs but I never because they fit the game perfectly. Quiet does not, its not about sexism its about a shitty character design. That combined with some really fucking dodgy directions MGS 5 is moving in.

    #84 2 years ago
  85. Ireland Michael

    @80 Hahaha. The good old “I’m done with this argument” retort when you’re the one that started attacking my posts simply for expressing my personal opinion. I shoved nothing down your throat, buddy. You just got defensive because my opinion isn’t yours.

    You’re the kind of person that would punch someone in the face, then cry “abuse” when they punched back.

    Funny stuff.

    @81 Every work, when put into the public eye, is open to criticism. It doesn’t need to be “respected” if its bad, and it deserves as much critical analysis as anything else. That’s how you separate the classics for the countless turds, by actually making a personal assessment of its quality.

    Censorship of opinions is no better than censorship of content.

    @83 No, it isn’t. She’s not an actual woman, for one. I can’t get to know her as a person. She can’t develop actual feelings or respond to them. She’s a fictional creation.

    The point is, she isn’t combat ready. She would never survive in the field. Her arms would practically snap in half if she ever shot a real sniper rifle. Firing powerful weapons hurts even grown men with muscles. Not to mention what the heat and sand would do to her body if she dressed like that consistently.

    The design makes no sense in the context. She is half naked because she’s female, nothing more.There is no other justification than that, and Kojima said as such.

    At least Meryl bothered to keep her clothes on most of the time. Not that her pantless scenes or begging Snake to have sex with her were much better.

    #85 2 years ago
  86. The Dude

    @83 That’s what got me a-boilin’!

    #86 2 years ago
  87. Dragon246

    I am anxiously looking forward to the day same people put up same vociferous criticism for every murder simulator in the market aka shooters spanning multiple comments.

    Or is showing murder and allowing “brutal melee kills” better than showing some skin?

    Questions.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. Mus42

    @87 Clearly the answer is yes

    #88 2 years ago
  89. absolutezero

    Its mainly because this issue is far too large to be brought down by such reductionist bullshit rhetoric questions.

    BUT WHAT IF THE MAN DIES? WHAT FUCKING THEN? CHECK AND MATE!

    #89 2 years ago
  90. _LarZen_

    @85 Aye that’s true. But at the same time one should be careful on how they go forth with it. As I see it there is nothing wrong with that female character.

    It’s fiction and I do not see females degraded by it. Especially as it’s fiction.

    And it’s basically just some professionally courtesy. One do not bash someones creation like David Ellis did. If it was truly horrible I would understand it.

    But making a sexy character is not horrible. Could it be tacky? Yes…is that wrong in a fictional game?

    No.

    And with that I take my leave :)

    #90 2 years ago
  91. YoungZer0

    @78:

    http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5562/ycxq.jpg

    #91 2 years ago
  92. The Dude

    @91 LOL ain’t it the truth :D

    #92 2 years ago
  93. Ireland Michael

    @87 I recently made the argument that the senseless violence in Hotline Miami was no better than the rape scene. The complete overindulgence of violence of the game put me off it completely.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. xxJPRACERxx

    It’s a character, it’s fiction. If he wants the character to look like that that’s his choice.

    English is not my 1st language, maybe I don’t really get the meaning of the word, but when seeing a sexy half-naked woman and reading it’s “disgusting” really let me think this David guy is gay or love horses or dogs.

    Personally I think the design is stupid (like the whole Metal Gear series) but it’s not disgusting. They wanted to create something sexy and in my book they achieve it 100%.

    And like I said earlier it’s a character, it’s fiction. If they want a super sexy, naked female character that shoot bullets from her nipples, rockets from her snatch and atomic bombs from her ass they can do it, their fiction/story, their choice.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. Clupula

    @85 – I get it. When you’re called out on hypocrisy, she’s merely a fictional character. When you’re pointing out things you don’t like, her body type suddenly matters. Glad we cleared that up.

    #95 2 years ago
  96. _LarZen_

    I just want to take my leave with these pictures of Cortana from Halo 4. The game that David Ellis have worked on and the same guy that is bashing Kojima for the sexy female character.

    After seeing these I think you will all agree that David Ellis should keep his mouth shut.

    http://bildr.no/view/SVJKN2pD
    http://bildr.no/view/S2ZNQUxq
    http://bildr.no/view/QnEvdWdH

    This is just a few…

    This is a hologram in Halo 4. There is no need for her to be as sexy as she is. She is a hologram…

    So David Ellis should not shit where he eats. As far as I see it David Ellis is a hypocrite.

    #96 2 years ago
  97. Ireland Michael

    @95 That makes absolutely no sense. My pointing out that she’s a twig was entirely based on her combat ability. She’s not “strong” in the literal, physical sense of the term.

    I have nothing against skinny women. Talk about clutching at straws.

    The Boss looked strong. Heck, even Meryl looked strong. This is just a girl in a bikini.

    @96 Hypocrisy or not, that doesn’t change the relevancy of his point.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. Clupula

    @96 – Amaro already points out what a phony Ellis is on Twitter.

    #98 2 years ago
  99. Clupula

    @97 – Hey, it’s okay, I get it. I’ve slept with more Irish women than any other type. I know how it goes over there. Very broad shoulders. Not a bad thing.

    #99 2 years ago
  100. absolutezero

    Jesus Fuck.

    Ellis did not design Cortana. Kojima did not design Quiet. Stop stating horseshit as fucking facts.

    In my opinion they made Cortana look like an actual person instead of some creepy floaty thing. Which ties in perfectly with them trying to tell a fucking love story in a Halo game. They needed her to be more relatable and making her look like an actual woman was part and parcel with that.

    That completely aside the point that Cortana’s character design is perfectly in keeping with the World in which she exists. Its not a bad design. Quiet is an over-designed piece of shit. Its ugly, it makes no sense and it looks ridiculous in comparison with the rest of the cast revealed so far.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. Fin

    @100

    +1

    #101 2 years ago
  102. YoungZer0

    @96: Circuit bodypaint, so much better than a bikini, right?

    #102 2 years ago
  103. Clupula

    @100 – http://abload.de/img/evolution_of_cortanar1uav.jpg

    Yeah, she certainly looks like a real person in these. Especially with the boob job she got between 3 and 4.

    Might want to be gentle with those straws you’re grasping at.

    #103 2 years ago
  104. wildBoar

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM
    @75 Pretty much, either get on board with it or go play splinter cell instead, but getting up in arms about it, “offended” and all that, just seems like such a massive waste of time and effort. This is the 21st century, you can’t turn on the fucking telly without at least a tit or an ass shot every 20 minutes. And now someone made a scantily clad character in a Japanese videogame of all things? oh my. And a Metal Gear game no less.. If you’re gonna take Kojima at his word of his next Metal Gear game being gritty and “serious”, you’re a lost cause for reason already. Japanese games have been doing this since dawn of time, it IS sexualization, but honestly though, it’s just a pair of tits. To whom might enjoy them, good, that’s only natural. To everyone else, this is fanservice, out of context character designs and inconsistent fantasy universes and characters is as standard to Japanese fiction as sushibars are in Tokyo, but if you want to judge a piece of Japanese entertainment by western standards, fine. You’re not going to get the same enjoyment out of it however. And if you find a woman in a bikini disguisting or perverse I’d lock the doors and throw away the key right now if I were you. Japan’s miles behind on their character designs, sure, I don’t think they’d deny that, in fact you can clearly see they’re completely up front about it like Kojima, and clearly they’re far more mature than the west when it comes to dealing with sex. It’s just sex, it’s just a pair of ol tits, it’s just fanservice. In their society it isn’t somehow strange or shameful that a pair of tits are appealing to alot of men, and you know, it really isn’t.
    Tits in a videogame, shout it from the rooftops.

    #104 2 years ago
  105. absolutezero

    AS AN ASIDE.

    http://tap-repeatedly.com/2012/12/the-naked-vulnerability-of-halo-4/

    And yeah the Halo 4 Cortana looks like an AI version of Jessica Chobot, well more like her than Mass Effect 3 anyway.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. Fin

    Hang on one second.

    What the fuck is everyone’s problem with that Halo guy?

    You don’t like that he’s criticizing your FAVURIT GAEM EVAR?
    You don’t like that he’s trying to make the industry grow up?
    You don’t like that he’s saying that because of what Cortana looks like?

    Do enlighten me, please.

    #106 2 years ago
  107. Clupula

    @106 – It’s called being a hypocrite. He has a game with a naked blue chick in it, but suddenly he has the moral high ground to talk about anyone else’s designs? Fuck him. Yeah, he’s certainly trying to make the industry grow up with the Halo 4 design of Cortana. If he really wanted the industry to grow, the character would have been removed completely or dressed.

    But nope, instead she’s changed to look more sexualized. So fuck him.

    #107 2 years ago
  108. absolutezero

    He personnaly made Cortana’s boobs bigger thus him calling Quiet’s design shit is a direct insult to people.

    I don’t fucking know what it is they are trying to say at all.

    #108 2 years ago
  109. GregSolidus

    Glass Houses,Stones, etc. Kinda like that lady from Gearbox who was mad at Dragon’s Crown but works for a company that made Duke Nukeum Forever.

    #109 2 years ago
  110. Fin

    @107

    Man if you get this worked up about a hypocrite in the VIDEO FUCKING GAME INDUSTRY, your head must seriously explode if you ever read about hypocrisy in religion, politics or finance.

    PROTIP: GROW UP AND GET OVER IT

    #110 2 years ago
  111. YoungZer0

    What confuses me the most is the fact that the people who complain about slut shaming are the first to complain about skimpy designs. “Strong women don’t look like that!”

    Did you already forget about Fortune?

    Again, why are you surprised? What exactly did you expect from the guys and gals who allowed this to be in the final product:

    http://youtu.be/XQiIari4l8I

    @103: Gotta love her hips though.

    #111 2 years ago
  112. Clupula

    @110 – Actually, I do spend a great deal of my time rallying against hypocrites of all stripes. You don’t spend the time to speak in front of the NYC city council if you’re not bothered by hypocrisy.

    #112 2 years ago
  113. Ireland Michael

    I love how people constantly equate people simply expressing an opinion to “getting worked” and “offended”.

    People have different tastes. If your only response to that is “hahahahaha, shut up”, you have some serious growing up to do.

    #113 2 years ago
  114. Clupula

    @103 – Hey, those are nice hips. I’m not saying she’s not attractive. I’m just saying the guy who has that redesign in his games should really keep his mouth shut when it comes to this sort of subject.

    #114 2 years ago
  115. Fin

    @112

    Then you should have bigger things to worry about than whether a video game designer’s opinion is hypocritical or not.

    @113

    That directed at me bro?

    #115 2 years ago
  116. xxJPRACERxx

    @106 “You don’t like that he’s trying to make the industry grow up?”

    WTF with this grow up BS? The industry will grow up by removing sexy character design!?! Yeah sure… Go play with your Mario game now.

    #116 2 years ago
  117. Clupula

    @115 – One doesn’t preclude the other. I can be involved in politics and call out some douchebag on his shit too.

    #117 2 years ago
  118. absolutezero

    They gave her a human’s face and made her boobs sag.

    OH LORDY CALL THE FEMINISM POLICE I’M READY TO RAPE.

    #118 2 years ago
  119. Clupula

    @115 – Cat fight! Cat fight!

    #119 2 years ago
  120. Clupula

    @118 – Because gravity totally effects the chests of holograms.

    #120 2 years ago
  121. Kabby

    It’s Kojima. She’s probably a Tranny. And a cyborg.

    #121 2 years ago
  122. Ireland Michael

    @115 It was directed at almost everyone *but* you. I was referring to people whose only response are essentially telling everyone they shouldn’t have an opinion.

    #122 2 years ago
  123. Fin

    @117

    Yeah cos he really reads the comments section of VG247.

    Good job bro, fight the good fight!

    @122

    Cool 8)

    #123 2 years ago
  124. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @121 10/10 Would bang.

    #124 2 years ago
  125. absolutezero

    Because A.I. Holograms are real and you know how they work.

    They aged her design, because get this her getting older is tied directly to the narrative!

    OH HO! Actual story connection as to why a design has been changed, imagine that.

    #125 2 years ago
  126. The Dude

    Hey, Fin. No offence, but you seem to be getting more worked up about this than anyone else here. I dunno, maybe it’s all those caps and calling generally everyone fucking idiots etc straight off the bat…

    Ease into it, man.

    @111 Hahahha what the hell… 0:40 WHAT @_@

    #126 2 years ago
  127. wildBoar

    Whether it’s poor taste or bad taste, it still isn’t worth the attention though, either way, making a fuzz over a pair of boobs, now that’s what’s ridicilous.

    #127 2 years ago
  128. Fin

    @126

    Dudebro comments (“The guy who doesn’t like this must be gay”)
    stupidity (“This guy’s opinion is invalid because he worked on a game that a female character that looked more like a woman as the series went on”)
    sexism (“I don’t see anything wrong with this”)
    gamers in general (“Your opinion is invalid because you’re criticizing a game I like”)
    and the games industry (that this character is actually for a game)

    really get me worked up. Sorry about that.

    #128 2 years ago
  129. antraxsuicide

    I’m buying every single game this guy makes from here to eternity. Good man.

    #129 2 years ago
  130. Clupula

    @126 – Yeah, I think if anyone needs to change their tampon, it’d be Fin. I wonder if he’s getting so worked up because:

    He don’t like that we’re criticizing his FAVURIT GAEM EVAR, aka the Halo series?
    He don’t like that Kojima’s trying to make the industry grow up, by moving beyond this “boobs = evil” attitude that will keep us in the dark ages?
    He don’t like what Quiet looks like and it steams his vagina to hear her defended?

    #130 2 years ago
  131. CoryBittickThePornoCritic

    @130 Steamed vagina is actually a Vietnamese delicacy.

    #131 2 years ago
  132. absolutezero

    Man even you can’t believe that second one.

    Kojima himself has said its to sell more shit. He could not give a fuck.

    #132 2 years ago
  133. Maabren

    David Ellis and Halo sexed up Cortana. Criticising this outfit seems like a dumbass move. It’s Hideo Kojima’s game and he makes it as he sees fit. If people can’t deal with it, don’t buy it.

    #133 2 years ago
  134. Fin

    @130

    “change their tampon”

    Thanks for proving my point bro :)

    Sorry, I can’t engage with you anymore. Your points are so moronic, you must actually be a troll.

    #134 2 years ago
  135. Clupula

    @134 – Ah, the truest sign of admitting defeat. “I cna’t engage with you anymore. You hurt my feelings.”

    In honor of renowned voice of feminism David Ellis, I hearby teabag you in victory.

    #135 2 years ago
  136. Fin

    @135

    No bro, it’s that you’re so stupid I can’t take you seriously.

    Maybe you should read my comment again!

    #136 2 years ago
  137. Clupula

    @132 – Actually, I do. I think the freer we are with artistic expression, the more the industry will grow. Doesn’t matter the intention of the creation, it’s the result that matters. Larry Flynt is a selfish asshole (and my family can tell you that from experience) who didn’t give a shit about the First Amendment. But he helped make the world a freer place, even if he couldn’t care about it.

    #137 2 years ago
  138. Clupula

    @136 – Maybe you should read MY comment again.

    Do you think I take you seriously, if I’m digitally teabagging you? You tinkled and ran and because you can’t actually back up anything you have to say with anything but insults, you now pretend you’re above it.

    #138 2 years ago
  139. absolutezero

    I second that so fucking hard.

    Quiet still looks like shit.

    #139 2 years ago
  140. Djoenz

    @134
    Clupula is a pretty immature individual. He made that clear in the first article bout this topic.

    #140 2 years ago
  141. Clupula

    @140 – And you’re a boner biting bastard, uncle fucker.

    Don’t care about being mature, when I’m right.

    #141 2 years ago
  142. Djoenz

    @141
    The way you use your words is admirable. Its lovely :)

    #142 2 years ago
  143. Clupula

    @142 – I will ignore the sarcasm and filter that into a compliment. Thank you. You are too kind.

    #143 2 years ago
  144. noamlol2

    trollbait article

    #144 2 years ago
  145. Fin

    I’ve just realised that if +1/-1 commenting was actually employed, the comments section would (might?) look more like Eurogamer’s:

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-06-kojima-clarifies-decision-to-make-mgs5-character-more-erotic#comments

    (sort by best/worst and see the comparison)

    #145 2 years ago
  146. The Dude

    @128 Here’s my advice: ignore them. No need to apologise. Just…try to keep it together, alright?

    Alright.

    #146 2 years ago
  147. ff046a2e

    damn look at all these comment, I’m not even going to bother getting in on this discussion.

    Although I would like to say that concur with the Halo 4 guy, there is nothing sexy about the way she’s dressed.

    Eva from MGS3 (not MGS4) was sexier then her.

    #147 2 years ago
  148. G-Sama

    gotta love the feminist vg247 lately :D
    the comments are as always top notch between “grown ups” who clearly think sex is for children , right
    next … non-violence video games cause .. you know , violence is for 12 years olds :)

    #148 2 years ago
  149. archaven

    David Ellis can GTH. I want this game on PC!

    #149 2 years ago
  150. nitrofeen

    This is silly. Its a mature game. People who have problem with this might want to look into other industries or stop being so prude

    #150 2 years ago
  151. ff046a2e

    Things like this were acceptable back during fourth gen consoles but now it all just seems ridiculous (Kids who can stick audio cables into their chest, Kiefer Sutherland!? and other forms Kojima strangeness just keeps getting weirder and weirder as the saga grows older).

    I used to think MGS was cool but now I think I’ve outgrown its quirky style.

    This is just not for me anymore.

    #151 2 years ago
  152. Citrus raptor

    Haha, you know what’s disgusting, Halo 4 designer? What you did to Halo 4.

    #152 2 years ago
  153. pcbros

    We are complaining about someone else complaining.

    Everyone has an opinion. Who are we to tell them otherwise? I see people bashing consoles and games on this site all the time. So gamers can have an opinion, but not developers… that’s a double standard.

    #153 2 years ago
  154. Mineral4r7s

    It might be possible that I am to old to be disgusted by naked skin.
    As all of this makes no sense to me.

    #154 2 years ago
  155. nklh4x0r

    Maybe the guy likes glowing blue chicks

    #155 2 years ago
  156. Ashmael

    Ahahah someone told this guy to shut the *** up, maybe Microsoft doesn`t want any more negative press.

    “Currently learning to keep my head down and be quiet.”

    https://twitter.com/DavidEllis

    #156 2 years ago
  157. CraZed

    She looks hot… Even my wife says she looks hot. Her garb isn’t exactly battlefield practical but this is an imaginary game and these characters are a figment of the creators imagination. I’m so tired of the PC attitudes oozing out of the industry ATM. If people absolutely can’t stand the artwork or character design don’t play it and you won’t have your fragile sensibilities offended.

    #157 2 years ago
  158. Osric

    Hahaha, more disgusting and even PATHETIC it’s that designer’s (whatever his name is because he’s a nobody) trying to get into the spotlight with such comments.

    #158 2 years ago
  159. spoffle

    Butthurt in the gaming industry is just going too far. Some developers should just be banned from using Twitter because some of them only seem able to use it to bitch about stuff. Something I’m noticing lately is that it’s seemingly okay for a male character to be depicted wearing next to nothing, but when it’s a female character, it’s somehow misogynistic and offensive. Which implies it’s okay for women to find men attractive but not for men to find women attractive.

    #159 2 years ago
  160. silkvg247

    @159 butthurt is my new least favorite internet word. Makes me want to punch people.

    Anyhow, let’s have a list of games where guys are dressed in very little and it’s totally inappropriate for the situation they are in (in other words excluding gladiatorial themes as that is historically accurate and they wore less armour for good reason).

    #160 2 years ago
  161. Lengendaryboss

    @160
    Butthurt about butthurt? :P Aah don’t punch me :)

    MGS 2? Naked Raiden? MGS 1 Half-Naked Snake in the exact same “memories of shadow moses” scenario.
    MGS 1? Naked Johnny?

    There are many examples within the MGS Universe.

    Saints Row? Although thats optional.

    GTA IV TLAD: Naked congressman.

    #161 2 years ago
  162. spoffle

    @160 Butthurt over the word butthurt?

    I’m not talking just about the games industry, I’m talking about society in general.

    Look at the Diet Coke adverts and imagine the melt downs people would have if it was a bunch of men ogling a female worker.

    #162 2 years ago
  163. The Dude

    @160 Gonna give this a go! Off the top of my head:

    Hmm, well i already mentioned Vamp and Liquid Snake (no shirt? Freezing weather?) from MGS.

    Ax Battler from Golden Axe. Heck any game with a barbarian in it.
    Dante – Devil May Cry 3
    Monkey – Enslaved
    Wesker as the final boss in Resident Evil 5
    Sephiroth – Final Fantasy VII (especially at the end)
    Vaan – Final Fantasy XII
    Wakka – Final Fantasy X (Actually most of the guys in that game)
    The guys in Contra (Rambo lookalikes)
    Kratos – God of War
    Prince – Prince of Persia SoT
    Max – Streets of Rage 2

    Erm.. That’s all I got right now. I know that’s just a handfull but I’m sure there’s more! :)

    #163 2 years ago
  164. salarta

    @161: The style of what Quiet wears fits the franchise, but how it completely flies in the face of practicality does not. If naked Snake, naked Raiden, naked Johnny, etc were all naked by choice and fighting in an environment where being naked was directly hazardous to your health (say, for example, being in the desert where there’s excessive heat), then it’d be a problem.

    The men are naked or near-naked because it fits the situation they’re in. Quiet is shirtless because sex appeal even if it goes against logic.

    @163: I haven’t played all of those, so my answer to them.

    Any game with a barbarian in it – shirtlessness means they don’t have clothing restricting their movement, good for melee
    Dante – half-demon, so even if he ends up in an environment where shirtless is dangerous, he has demon resistance.
    Wesker – heat resistance due to mutation, plus he didn’t choose to have his body change to prevent shirt wearing while in an active volcano
    Sephiroth – not in any situations where shirtlessness is harmful, is a powerful near-god at the end
    Vaan – Squeenix is stupid, this one doesn’t count due to the stupid
    Wakka – not in a desert, Besaid Island has tons of trees; this one does raise a good point for Mt. Gagazet though
    Kratos – not in any situations where shirtlessness is dangerous

    And when I say “shirtlessness is dangerous,” I know the go-to answer is going to be “they’re not wearing armor so they’re putting themselves in danger.” That’s technically true, but a case can easily be made that they’re supposed to be such experts at fighting that they can defend themselves without restricting their movements with armor. That’s different from “I’m a normal human being standing around in the hot, hot desert but I’ll be damned if I take steps to protect myself from the heat.”

    #164 2 years ago
  165. Pitts

    I think this speaks volumes to the level of acceptance of video games as a legitimate art form.

    Imo, practicality is bullshit. Decency is bullshit.

    And yes, I agree that it’s not practical or decent. Everyone else in the game shown so far is dressed a bit more sensibly according to their roles or jobs. I had all of these reactions the first time I watched this. “Why is she in a bikini? That doesn’t look right when everyone else looks downright ready for battle! She looks idiotic.”

    But I gave it the benefit of the doubt because it was Kojima.

    Because of all the creators in the industry, Kojima, a guy who has dedicated his career to creating legitimately mature stories since the damn 80s, should probably get it.

    The same series that gave us Mei Ling, Naomi Campbell, Emma Emmerich, Olga, my fav The Boss, and so many other awesome characters (male or female) is not suddenly guilty of gross crimes because a character now appears to be sexy “for no good reason”.

    #165 2 years ago
  166. ama8o8

    I dont understand why he said this…LOLOLOLOL every metal gear since metal gear solid 1 had a scantily clad woman or a barely clothed woman LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    #166 2 years ago
  167. FerretPersona

    I find it strange that some people are attacking this design based on it’s lack of practicality within the game world. How do we know? In every MGS game there are always characters with unusual/supernatural abilities. We have no real clue what Quiet’s are as of yet, nor do we know much of anything about her as a character beyond this design.

    Is it sexualised? Of course it is, there’s no denying it. Is there a reason for that? Apparently, according to Kojima. But I guess we just won’t know until the game is released.

    If you want to dismiss it out of hand or if you feel it’s juvenile or class-less, that’s entirely your choice and good for you for standing up for your principles. I would just point out that it’s difficult to bash the design for it’s practicality without playing the game and understanding the context of her as a character and her place within the game world.

    Maybe she has factor 50 suntan lotion in her utility belt. Maybe she’s dying already and couldn’t give a toss if she gets sunburn on her boobs [and everywhere else]. Maybe she’ll be spending most of her time indoors. Maybe she’s impervious to all forms of radiation. Who the hell knows.

    As it stands, either like the design or hate it but if you do just own up to it being your opinion. Cause no one’s arguments about practicality within a fictional and often fantastical game world are going to hold up until we play the game and understand the context.

    Personally… I think, it’s MGS. I’d be more surprised if there weren’t some overly sexualised female and male characters running around. Kojima’s poorly translated comments would probably have not even raised an eyebrow in japan. Sadly in the western world a lot of people like to force their own opinions of what is “proper” on others and immediately call him a pervert.

    #167 2 years ago
  168. Gheritt White

    @152: What the FUCK are you TALKING about? Halo 4 was absolutely awesome! What the hell didn’t you like about? It delivered on all fronts, IMHO.

    #168 2 years ago
  169. pcbros

    @167 – “Sadly in the western world a lot of people like to force their own opinions of what is “proper” on others and immediately call him a pervert.”

    How did he force it? I don’t recall him taking any action to change the design. He gave his opinion. What’s the big deal? Are we all of a sudden prohibiting his freedom of speech based on our standards?

    Kind of lame that one man’s opinion of a character design can get this much attention. He’s just one developer…

    Look, if Kojima has any balls, he will stick to whatever design HE thinks works best for his game. So don’t sweat it ;)

    #169 2 years ago
  170. gsxrlove

    Shooting from the hip like this isn’t going to do him any favors. It’s a good thing that he doesn’t care if he gets into trouble otherwise I’d feel sorry for him.

    #170 2 years ago
  171. NeutralBlade

    Video games are all about fantasy, things we usually can’t see or do in reality. Fantasy is what make games fun, and that female character doesn’t need to wear realistic gear if the designer doesn’t want her to. If games were only based on reality, then the games industry itself would cease to exist.

    Also, I’m pretty sure this will end up being a mature rated game, so the designers can do whatever they wish within that rating. Games are for people of all ages and tastes, not just kids, or politically correct consumers.

    #171 2 years ago
  172. Agt_Pendergast

    I can’t see if anyone has mentioned this or not, but from one of the trailer, it looked like she had some makeup that disappears, but given some of these recent talks about her, maybe it’s just some ability she has to change the pigment of her skin, like octocamo or something. Hence the reason why she wouldn’t be wearing very much.

    #172 2 years ago
  173. salarta

    Hand-waving the impracticality because “hey it’s a video game” or “hey the series has all sorts of unrealistic supernatural abilities with its characters” is doing a disservice to both the franchise and the medium as a whole. The first is saying that video games are incapable of going anywhere other than in immature directions. The second is trying to say that all it takes is one unrealistic element, and that immediately means absolutely anything goes. The whole game can be Snake turning into a baby and riding My Little Pony ponies around on fluffy pink clouds to romance Care Bears because hey, the game already has non-realistic elements.

    Point being, one aspect of the game allowing for things that aren’t realistic doesn’t mean all things have free license to be unrealistic. It has to follow the logic already created for that universe, and the logic we’ve seen so far for the Metal Gear series is that soldier characters don’t outfit themselves in ways that seriously endanger their lives and duties just to look cool or sexy. If you want a game with a serious dramatic story and themes, you can’t go around breaking that logic. It works for Saints Row games because they’re full-blown parody.

    Assuming Quiet has abilities that make her completely immune to issues of heat exhaustion is a big assumption for this franchise. But even if we go with it, it immediately leads into the question of if she was given those abilities solely to have an excuse to have her wearing a bikini top and ripped up pantyhose as her only attire in the desert.

    Now, as I’ve said before, I’m still looking forward to the game. I still plan to buy it, and am excited for it. But I’m also not going to pretend there aren’t problems with the idea when I can see there are.

    @172: In chats online, I’ve seen most people figure the darkness around her eyes is part of a vision-based ability that helps her with sniping. Since the franchise does include supernatural elements, I can definitely see that being the case.

    #173 2 years ago
  174. actuallyisnotafox

    does anyone else think maybe shes just hot so she took her top of :p but seriously i think its someones creativity you shouldnt call it disgusting even if it is that, as many games including mgs feature things like this and to most people boys and girls this is just a stress relief, a getaway so why not :)

    #174 2 years ago
  175. Dragon246

    @173,
    “disservice to both the franchise and the medium as a whole”
    How did you decide that? You did the same thing for 3rd Birthday.

    Sorry, but speak for yourself. I respect that you have a differing opinion, but taking your personal opinion and extrapolating to the “entire game community” is just nonsensical.

    ” It has to follow the logic already created for that universe, and the logic we’ve seen so far for the Metal Gear series is that soldier characters don’t outfit themselves in ways that seriously endanger their lives and duties just to look cool or sexy.”
    Again, you own logic, by no means the ONLY one there.
    I don’t see Quiet breaking any “logic” of MGS.

    #175 2 years ago
  176. salarta

    @175: I never handwaved impracticality with 3rd Birthday. I outright condemned it, along with the more important issue of that game just plain being insulting to the franchise it’s supposedly a spinoff of. Liking the gameplay doesn’t make a character known for being a tough, smart, brave and down-to-earth cop turned into a scared, weak girl that accepts being ordered around by a man, having allies talk to her like a sex object, and wearing a variety of fetish outfits into something that magically fits the franchise. May as well be saying that Aya traveling to another galaxy and flying around in a spaceship with aliens fits the franchise.

    #176 2 years ago
  177. Dragon246

    @176,
    What about “disgrace to the entire gaming community” thing you said earlier about it?
    Again, speak for yourself please. Making such overarching statements only serve to weaken your pov imo. Your opinions are yours alone, not a representative of entire gaming community.
    Here I am, disagreeing with you pov. Doesn’t that make your “entire game community” thing null and void?

    On topic, I think people should wait for jumping guns. I may well make complete sense.

    #177 2 years ago
  178. salarta

    @177: The point of the comment you’re referencing was that it’s disrespectful to the medium and franchise to say that dangerously impractical clothing is perfectly acceptable in a series that never let dangerously impractical clothing get a pass in the past just because it’s a video game or just because supernatural abilities exist in that game world. It’s basically saying that video games and the franchise are too immature to be expected to adhere to the same basic principles that any other medium can follow.

    Kojima and his team aren’t making Saints Row games, where the whole game is about parody and therefore literally anything can be tossed away. They’re making a franchise that tries to have at least some aspects of it that are taken seriously. A franchise that is expected to be taken seriously can’t up and change the basic rules on a whim. If you set an expectation like “we’re making our game as accurate to medieval England as possible, only with a little magic,” you can’t suddenly have people whipping out cell phones and piloting giant mechas in the story, for example.

    #178 2 years ago
  179. JGMR

    I’ve read numerous comments on other sites, calling the character a “whore”, and the like. It is a CG character for Christ sake! The irony is that those poor sexually repressed people are themselves guilty of “objectification” so-to-speak. THEY are the ones who already have their judgment ready without knowing ANYTHING about the character, basically.

    It’s exactly Kojima’s intention to challenge your rigid views in this series. To leave a social commentary on things taboo in this insane world. To show society’s blatant hypocrisy and contradictions (e.g. hyper-realistic violence is OK, but sexuality is wrong). Most people are not up for it, it seems.

    #179 2 years ago
  180. zinc

    ^ Or he could just like sexy ladies in his games…

    Which is bad, obviously.

    #180 2 years ago
  181. FerretPersona

    @173: My point wasn’t that the unrealistic elements of the game/series excuse any and all possible unrealistic aspects. It was simply that without understanding the context of this entry and it’s world fully [which we can't do until we play it ourselves] it’s difficult to say that there is no “excuse” for her being dressed this way. Honestly, I actually think there probably won’t be a decent enough excuse to justify such an extremely sexual design, but until I know for sure, I can’t say it’s impractical for the character or situation.

    Also, on this point you made:
    “It has to follow the logic already created for that universe, and the logic we’ve seen so far for the Metal Gear series is that soldier characters don’t outfit themselves in ways that seriously endanger their lives and duties just to look cool or sexy.”

    I just have to point out that Meryl in MGS1 wore a camisole top in what were probably sub-zero Alaskan temperatures for pretty much the entire game. She even stole a uniform at one point but discarded it, including the rather warm looking jacket and balaclava in favour of said camisole.

    Sniper Wolf was also inappropriately dressed to the point of endangering herself, lying in the freezing snow fields with her shirt unbuttoned practically to her navel with no protection for her head or face. These were design choices to make the pair of them look cool and sexy and were unrealistic. There’s probably plenty more examples from within the universe too, some which are explained [Fortune not requiring much more than a leotard due to there being little to no chance of any bullets hitting her and Vamp being shirtless due to his near immortality] and some which aren’t.

    I wasn’t trying to be rude or antagonistic with what I said, I just think it’s tough to criticize the design for being impractical within the world until we know what the world and the character is about. I am personally finding the design more and more ridiculous the more I look at it and yeah, perhaps the reason for her being able to wear what she’s wearing will just be an excuse for Kojima to have a bikini clad chic with ripped tights. But really, who knows?

    If it is, I’ll be the first to say it’s a sad, backward view of female characters in videogames. But honestly, for me I tend to focus more on how a female character comes across as a whole rather than focusing on their sexual attributes. I personally think it’s far more problematic to have female characters depicted as weak willed objects or tropes that exist solely to further a male characters story than it is to have female characters that are sexualised. But anyway, off-topic a bit there.

    Though I do have to say I’m not sure I’d consider the MGS series to be a serious one. Yes the plots often deal with serious issues and the overall tone matches the themes, but really with the cyborg ninjas, bodily waste jokes, homo-eroticism for comic effect and all the voyeurism fetish references I can’t honestly say I’ve ever thought of it as a serious series. And that’s without all the cartoon-ish action sequences of recent games and increasingly over-the-top, ‘super-powered’ characters like Raiden and the Battle Beauties of MGS4.

    #181 2 years ago
  182. Ali

    The design is disgusting to me too.

    Battlefield 4′s Hannah and Mirror Edge’s faith both look more beautiful and respectful.

    #182 2 years ago
  183. Clupula

    @179 – And that’s another really funny thing. The design is not sexist, at all. People calling the character a whore most certainly is, but no one’s going to call THEM out for their slut-shaming.

    In fact, I wonder if THAT is David Ellis’ problem with the character. Maybe he’s another dudebro fratboy shithead who can’t “respect” a fictional character.

    #183 2 years ago
  184. Dragon246

    @178,
    “It’s basically saying that video games and the franchise are too immature to be expected to adhere to the same basic principles that any other medium can follow.”
    Oh really? It happens all the time in movies, books and “you name it entertainment medium”. Not sure how you thought this is something games only.
    Remember the Star Trek movie thing?

    And about practicality, were Eva’s clothes in front of Snake very practical?

    #184 2 years ago
  185. JGMR

    @180 Sure. That too.
    @183 Yeah, it’s very sad. And I wonder how many of these “complaining men”, get easily under the hex of some truly “seductive woman” (the temptress archetype basically) in a commercial, an adult movie or even in real life from time to time without saying anything negative about it…

    This female character Quiet gets tortured in the game, and maybe it is Kojima’s intention (I don’t know yet of course) to look at the other/inner side of “sexy women” while at the same time enjoying them…(which isn’t a new thing actually)…

    People should keep in mind that the entire series takes the serious issues of the real world, and places them in a fantastic, surreal world. Nothing is really what it appears to be on the surface… and like with all other art, it demands a certain degree of introspection…

    #185 2 years ago
  186. airsick7

    More like a bunch of man-children finally discovered indignation.

    Is slave Leia disgusting in Return of the Jedi? What about Jack from Mass Effect 2? Is the US women’s beach volleyball team disgusting? SInce when did scantily clad beautiful women become so controversial? We’ve seen a few images. Yes, her outfit isn’t practical… but I don’t see any disrespect or objectification going on here. Sexism and chauvinism require context, and none of us know the full context of this character. People are over-eager to prove how enlightened they are.

    The female figure has been lasciviously depicted for SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS… you outraged d-bags are a little late to the party.

    #186 2 years ago
  187. Cobra951

    200-comment firestorm again over making fictional characters prurient-sexy. I love the entertainment value, as usual. Reading about the rights of polygon models and drawings never fails to amuse me.

    #187 2 years ago
  188. JGMR

    Kojima on Twitter:

    “I know there’s people concerning about “Quiet” but don’t worry. I created her character as an antithesis to the women characters appeared in the past fighting game who are excessively exposed. “Quiet” who doesn’t have a word will be teased in the story as well. But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.”

    “Theme of “MGSV” is “GENE”⇒”MEME”⇒”SCENE”⇒”PEACE”⇒”RACE”. Story touches the misunderstanding, prejudice, hatred, conflict caused by the difference of language, race, custom, culture, and preference.

    “The response of “Quiet” disclosure few days ago incited by the net is exactly what “MGSV” itself is.”

    Told ya.

    #188 2 years ago
  189. salarta

    @181: In Sniper Wolf’s case, she could easily zip back up if she started getting too cold. You make a good point with Meryl, though. I could try to say something like “expectations were different back then and a consistent look was more important,” but that would just be a cop-out. Though there’s still an importance difference in that Meryl wearing that camisole wasn’t something that could be construed as being done to emphasize her value in sex appeal.

    I also agree with you that how a female character is written is far more important than how she looks. A badass showing skin is better than a terrified woman-child completely covered up. It’s why even though I did think Lara Croft having sex appeal so emphasized was a problem for her, I have infinitely more respect for the real, original Lara Croft than the reboot one.

    @184: I don’t know what Star Trek thing you’re talking about. Ultimately, if Metal Gear Solid was known for having its female soldiers wear dangerously impractical clothing into battle, I could give it a pass. That’s not the case, so I can’t. And Eva’s clothes weren’t practical, but they also weren’t so dangerously impractical that they could be a direct cause of death.

    @185: That could be the case, but it runs a very dangerous risk of being taken not as “the dark side of exploitation” and the like, but more as “the team is trying to make torturing and abusing women look hot and sexy.” We both know that would never be Kojima’s intent, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a risk. Remember, RE5 got in a huge scandal over “killing black people” when the setting was in Africa.

    #189 2 years ago
  190. JGMR

    @189 Risks are to be taken in an quite generic and unimaginative industry. Take MGS2 itself; it warned people against “hypes” and memes, and the flooding of disinformation on the internet. The latter is exactly what has happened in the case of Quiet if we can trust Mr. Kojima. But, to many it’s “merely entertainment” and escapism from that very world the games are exploring.

    Yes, there are things not to be taken entirely serious, but that reminds us that it’s a medium itself. Let’s take MGS2 again; it’s literally a parody of MGS1 and videogames in general, but in order to see that you have to play it. It criticizes and then transcends itself, and it seems that MGS5 is gonna do the same thing.

    I am really looking forward to it.

    #190 2 years ago
  191. Vice

    I’m all up for sexy female characters (but not for male ones ofc). I find Sorceress from recent Dragon’s Crown to be fantastic character, one of the best female character designs I’ve ever seen in a game. BUT this Quiet chick has stupid outfit AND she’s downright UGLY. Hideously ugly. No I don’t find this sexy. But this Halo 4 designer has overreacted. He’s probably one of those overly tolerant faggots who thinks that women have to have tiny breasts and wear full body armor/clothes in order for their design to be “respectful” and realistic or whatever. Fuck that. Women must be sexy and busty. Men must be strong and muscular. End of.

    #191 2 years ago
  192. reddingknows

    @176,
    You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You obviously didn’t finish 3rd Birthday. You know why Aya was acting strange? SPOILERS, it wasn’t the real Aya genius. It was Eve.

    Also, David Ellis has no leg to stand on here. Have you people played Halo 4. The game wherein they took Cortana and made her body look less artificial and more like a realistic nude female body, sags and all, than in any other Halo.

    #192 2 years ago
  193. Divazzy

    Okay. How on earth can David Ellis call out someone for a sexy design when he worked on Halo 4.

    In which Cortana looked like a straight up naked lady.

    Seriously.

    Is he joking?

    Look at this. http://sortadone.blogspot.com/2012/11/halo-4-cortana.html

    How is that in ANY way NOT gratuitous?

    #193 2 years ago
  194. TheBlackHole

    “Look at the Diet Coke adverts and imagine the melt downs people would have if it was a bunch of men ogling a female worker.”

    Now look at what year that ad was made. Now try and make a more relevant, timely point.

    #194 2 years ago
  195. jsmith99

    Cortana is UBER CUTE and sexy and hot. This girl is gritty and her face is not as cute. There is no reason for cortana to even be a woman, she could be a man. And Master Chief could be an overweight middle-aged Woman.

    #195 2 years ago
  196. Tiger2e

    *cough* Cortana *cough*

    #196 1 year ago
  197. Ireland Michael

    *cough*twowrongsdon’tmakearight*cough*

    The simple fact that Kojima *himself* stated that the character designs are what they are for the sake of titilation makes absolutely any arguments about “fitting into the universe” or “in game explanation” completely redundant.

    #197 1 year ago
  198. Tiger2e

    What exactly is wrong with titillation?? Who are you and David Ellis to set the moral standards of the industry?!! It’s a game FFS, it’s meant to be fun and titillating… people take themselves far too seriously these days.

    #198 1 year ago
  199. Ireland Michael

    @198 There’s nothing “wrong” with it, but I can guarantee most male gamers would be screaming up a storm of the men were equally as sexualised in a way that was appealing to women – pants resting right at their crotch lines and never wearing any shirts.

    The only “sexualised” male character in the series is Vamp, and that was at least played as part of his character. The only female character whose sexuality was relevant to who she was or the story was Eve. Every single other one was played for titillation. Some of it, like Snake lewding all over Naomi and her pointlessly revealing clothing in MGS4, was just awkward, juvenile and embarrassing.

    I’m not “setting the moral standing” for anything. These are just my opinions. At no point have I ever claimed that it should change because of my thoughts on the subject. That would be silly.

    #199 1 year ago
  200. Dragon

    200!

    Oh yeah, and a necro-ed thread.

    #200 1 year ago

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