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WildStar has subscriptions, but you can buy time with in-game currency

Monday, 19 August 2013 14:29 GMT By Dave Owen

Carbine has revealed that it’s sticking with a subscription model for its upcoming sci-fi MMORPG WildStar. But it’s not completely old-fashioned. You’ll be able to pay in-game gold in exchange for game time. Details after the break.

The system is called CREDD (Certificate of Research, Exploration, Destruction and Development), and players familiar with Eve Online’s PLEX system may well recognise it. The idea is to enable authorised gold buying for one segment of WildStar players and free gameplay for another. Players with plenty of real-life cash but not much time can buy CREDD as an in-game item directly from Carbine, and then sell it for gold through WildStar’s trading system to other players who have lots of time on their hands, but not much real-life cash.

CREDD will be priced higher in real money than a standard subscription so that the system won’t suffer from exploitation, but its price in game gold will be at the mercy of the game’s economy. CREDD can’t be gifted. It can only be bought at an in-game auction house, the Commodities Exchange.

It’s a complicated system, and it’s difficult not to wonder if it might put players off, particularly as outside of the CREDD system WildStar will have a typical subscription model – something that has killed off several MMOs in recent years. The game will be sold digitally and at retail, with 30 days of game time included in the price. After that time has elapsed you’ll need to pay a subscription that will set you back £9/$15 a month. Deals will be available if you buy in three, six, or twelve-month blocks. CREDD will cost £12/$20.

In an age where free-to-play is increasingly prevalent, it seems an odd choice for WildStar. Eurogamer spoke to executive producer Jeremy Gaffney about the decision.

“What we’re doing is launching having designed for the ability to either pay a subscription or earn CREDD in the game if you don’t want to,” Gaffney said. “We’ve let player A play for free without a subscription. He’s stoked, he’s a happy unit. He’s traded in some of his time for the ability play for free. Player B, who sold him the CREDD, is stoked because they basically went and bought an item for money, it was a secure transaction, they’re not getting hacked or scammed or anything, and they traded that to another player for in-game gold pieces. It’s kind of win-win. That’s the answer for me – keeping the player types happy.”

What do you think about the decision?

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22 Comments

  1. GrimRita

    Yet another MMO pitching itself at the higher end of the subscription market and then probably wondering why everyone left after 30 days, just like SWTOR.

    Why arent publishers thinking – ‘£9 is a little steep in an over crowded market, so lets charge £5 and see how many extra folk come to the table’.

    Speaking of which, SWTOR has a paid model and its Freemium model, where it punishes players for not taking out a sub in the first place(or leaving the game) by throwing up lots of options to buy unlocks to gain extra add-ons and content.

    Most of these can be sold on their version of an auction house and I see this working in the same kind of way. However, SWTOR doesnt yet offer subscription time in this way.

    Why cant these games be simple like Guild Wars 2 when it comes to MTs? Actually FREE to play with MTs in game keeps everyone happy.

    Not sure if I will get this yet because I havent see much about it and for a game due for release this side of xmas, its a worry.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. dsr

    Why they are charging subscription for yet another WoW clone is beyond me. Well, its off my radar now.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. KineticCalvaria

    So basically you’ll have to spend time grinding for in-game gold, in order to buy more time to grind more in-game gold?

    Innovative!

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Phoenixblight

    @2

    If you played the beta you would see that absolutely nothing of this game is a “WoW clone”

    *Housing
    *Can choose to play the game in certain playstyle(Exploration, killer, social, completionist)
    * You have to be constantly moving to fight enemies otherwise be trashed
    *Limited abilities

    The only thing that would be similar to WOW is the fact they went for a stylized approach.

    @1 and 3

    “Basically, players can buy this month-long unit of game time from the WildStarOnline.com website itself, and then turn around and sell it in-game on the Commodities Exchange. Now the CE isn’t going to behave like some sort of bland Auction House. Think of it instead like a stock exchange. ”

    You can sell your game time. SO if you feel you won’t be playing as much as you had planned you can at least profit from it. Not to mention having the option to purchase game time within the game. So if you are smart and wealthy enough you can purchase game time and never have to sub. This is a fantastic idea and I would have enjoyed this with various other MMOs.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. GrimRita

    @4 Not disputing the fact its not a good idea but £9 is still taking the piss. Will it offer value? I can’t say until I get my hands on beta or an open beta event but for game that has shown so little of its hand, can we really expect this before xmas?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. ps3fanboy

    this crap game will crash and burn, they can take their microtransaction and stuff it where the sun dont shine, idiots!!!

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Phoenixblight

    @5

    It won’t be coming out this year. There are still a lot that is not yet implemented and since they have a relatively small team compared to most MMO teams especially TOR wouldn’t expect it earlier. Their Beta events are really cool and actually goad the players to burn up the servers or have them do races to see how far they get before the server is turned off. I have enjoyed the game immensely and can’t wait until its released.

    @6

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/feature/7690/WildStar-Revenue-Model-Revealed.html

    There are no microtransactions. Read the article.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. ps3fanboy

    @7 it clearly says in the headlines ‘you can buy time with in-game currency’… thats called microtransactions mister.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Phoenixblight

    @8

    I guess if going to their site to buy the only item offered in hopes to sell it for gold.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. GrimRita

    @7 fingers crossed. I really need a decent MMO to play. The last two have been such a waste of time and money. if only GW2 fixed the stupid movement of your toon and added rest xp! lol

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Hcw87

    The game releases in Spring 2014, which the article states.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. hives

    It’s not a WoW clone for sure, I recommend you guys checking out some dev diaries :P Combat system for most skills requires aiming and there is cool Paths system.

    It’s not super innovative next-gen new MMO, but nice variation and mix of good ideas. And it has traditional raids and dungeons <3 And setting is cool.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. GrimRita

    @11 that means reading Eurogamer and thats something I just don’t do.

    @12 raids and pve do nothing for me, as I just love PvP – so I will look forward to see what they throw in the mix for that. Just so long as they don’t go back to 2004 like SWTOR is with Arenas! Outdated and aimed at the completely stupid gamer.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. TheWulf

    I’ll give it six months before it goes free to play.

    But the problem is is that the game design will be shat upon in order for it to be subscription-based, that’s the problem. Unless they’ve very specifically countered that. But unlike The Secret World and Everquest Next, I suspect this will have levels.

    If I see one word about this having levels, it’s off my list forever, because there’s only one thing that vertical progression and a subscription ever lead to. I mean, you have to keep people paying monthly somehow if that’s your business model, right?

    That kind of progression is a cancer, it’s just designed to hook people with addictive personalities, so that they’ll keep paying month after month to repeat the same content over and over, just to see five minutes of new content at the end of it.

    Whereas they could instead spend their subscription money on getting one or more indie/Steam sale/humble bundle games instead, and they’d get so many more hours of new content out of that than they would from their subscription.

    People. *shrug.* The human condition is baffling sometimes.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Hcw87

    MMO’s without vertical progressions are like cars without engines.

    Seriously though, you don’t understand how MMO’s work.

    All those MMO zombies out there need to have something to do, right?

    #15 2 years ago
  16. TheWulf

    @4

    What they mean with ‘WoW clone’ is the grind-to-grind-to-grind-to-grind-to-grind-to-rewards-to-grind-to-grind-to-grind-to-grind model of WoW. Indeed, if WildStar has levels then that’s exactly what it’s going to be, and that’s the most defining aspect of WoW. Nothing is going to stop people from seeing it as a WoW clone if it has levels and a steep climb upwards to where the game supposedly ‘begins.’ For the vast majority, that’s just not a lot of fun.

    They can put in as many features as they want, but if it has levels and a subscription then it’s screwed from the outset and pretty much everyone is smart and self-aware enough to realise that. It’s infected with WoW-cancer. And people just refer to this as it being a clone, rather than correctly identifying what’s wrong.

    I can see what they mean, though.

    To me, if it has levels leading to that Everest-climb of grinding to rewards, to grind some more, all tied into a subscription? That’s WoW. WoW may not have invented that, but it refined it into a system that nearly everyone seems to want to copy, still.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. TheWulf

    @15

    So, you’re saying that in The Secret World you have nothing to do because you don’t have levels and vertical progression? Well, that explains why a friend of mine played through all the content in the game, and raved about it enough to get me involved.

    Oh, wait.

    All it proves is that you have a very narrow, boxed world-view defined by WoW.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Hcw87

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKQpCsWyh2A

    This video basically states very well what’s wrong with today’s MMO’s.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. djslickery

    the only thing that will make this work is if the mechanics feel so good that you don’t want to play anything else. it worked for wow for me for awhile, but the floaty disconnected style that all these mmo’s have now from gw2 to swtor to secret world… i just can’t stay with, especially with my backlog piling up by the week and the way pricing for AAA games goes off a cliff after 3 months now.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. DSB

    I could see it flopping. I could also see it being the next WoW.

    Either way I’m pretty sure this will determine the future of the subscription MMO.

    I don’t think I’m the only one who’s been looking for something like this since WoW though.

    Also I hate that Phoenixblight is playing it when I’m not. What does that guy have that I don’t have? No justice! :(

    #20 2 years ago
  21. GwynbleiddiuM

    @DSB Yeah me too, we should raid his house or something.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. noherczeg

    10-15$ would only be worth it for me if the game is so good, like I’d have to ignor anything else besides it. Something like what #14 said before me.

    I still can’t agree with it though. Starting off a brand new IP sub based is a no go even for folks who would otherwise try this this out. That one week access means nothing in an mmo anyway….

    #22 2 years ago

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    Slender: The Arrival sold like hotcakes on PC and last-gen consoles, so why not terrify yourself on PS4 and Xbox One, too? Slender: The Arrival will release on PS4 on March 24 and on Xbox One on March 25, developer Blue Isle Studios has announced, for $10. No word on that Wii U version, though. […]

  • GOG weekend sale celebrates German debut

    DRM-free games vendor GOG is celebrating its German-language launch with a tasty sale. The sale offers discounts over 25 “German favourites”. Highlights inclue 97% off Deponia, and less steep but still tasty savings on Memoria and Blackguards 1 and 2. The sale will run through March 3, and you do not have to be, speak, […]

  • Humble Weekly Bundle goes back to Japan

    The latest Humble Weekly Bundle is called Made in Japan, and I’m sure you can guess the theme. Pay what you want for Cherry Tree High Complete Pack (PC; Steam or DRM free), Fairy Bloom Freesia (PC; Steam or DRM free) and Influent + Language Pack (Linux, Mac, PC; Steam or DRM free). Pay more […]

  • Capcom “looking into” solutions to Resident Evil: Revelations PC co-op issue

    Resident Evil: Revelations 2 fans should sit tight for a bit, as Capcom is working on some sort of solution to the co-op issue. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 doesn’t have local co-op on PC and fans are pretty mad about that, as it was advertised ahead of release as a key feature. Although Capcom has […]

  • The games industry is disruption, says Assassin’s Creed producer

    Former Assassin’s Creed producer Jade Raymond has characterised the games industry as one long series of upsets. The games industry changes all the time, and that’s one of its best qualities, Raymond said. The ex-Ubisoft leader told Polygon that the reason seh got into games in the first place was because it “is this undefined […]

  • GTA 5 made $31 million in digital revenue in January

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  • Destiny: Inferno playlists debut next week

    Destiny PvP will shake things up next week with a new way to slaughter your mates in the Crucible. Destiny is already a skilled PvP game, but the new Inferno playlists will turn things up a notch with a focus on “basic gunplay”. The first of these, Inferno Control, kicks off on March 3 and […]

  • First-person camera coming to Guild Wars 2 next month

    ArenNet has announced its adding nonrestrictive first-person view to Guild Wars 2. Here’s what top expect come March 10: First-person Camera: Zooming in all the way will allow players to experience a first-person view. First-person mode is available while standing in place, walking, running, jumping, playing PvP and just about anything else. There aren’t any […]

  • Shadowrun Online signs on with Nordic

    Shadowrun Online has been given a nice little boost thanks to a distribution deal with Nordic Games. Shadowrun Online is a new team tactical RPG from Cliffhanger Productions. Although it’s already available through Steam Early Access, Nordic has agreed to distribute the finished version, which is due on Linux, Mac and PC in the second […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 is 60% finished, game world ten times the size of demo

    Final Fantasy 15 is 60% finished, according to director Hajime Tabata. Speaking with IGN, Tabata said development will kick into high gear once the Episode Duscae demo is released. “It’s about 60% now. People may look at that and say ‘well, you’ve only done five more percent!’ [since 55% in September] but it’s actually a […]

  • Destiny: you don’t need to visit the tower to access your vault

    Destiny players, you asked for it and Bungie has delivered it: you can now swap items in and out of the vault using the companion app. “Destiny needs more vault space” you cry – and yes, this is true. But while we all struggle with the limitations imposed on us by Bungie, we face all […]

  • Mortal Kombat X will contain over 100 Brutalities

    During the Mortal Kombat X stream today, NetherRealm Studios revealed Brutalities are back for the game, and stated there will be over 100 to pull off. You won’t gain any extra experience for being overly cruel with your painful moves, but you will at least get to laugh at some and “cringe” at others, according […]

  • Numenera: Strand is a film based on the game up on Kickstarter

    Numenera, the 2012 Kickstarter success and foundation for Torment: Tides of Numenera, could become a film if the Kickstarter for the movie is successful. With five days left, Monte Cook Games and Swedish film company Valdes/Eriksdotter needs £22,542 to reach its goal. Titled Numenera: Strand, it tells the tale of a drifter who “roams a […]

  • Gran Turismo 6 update adds MINI Clubman Vision, more

    A Mini Cooper has invaded Gran Turismo 6 via a new update. The Mid-Field Raceway track has also been added, and its a new and improved version of the original track from previous Gran Turismos. The new B-Spec Mode feature has also been added which allows the AI driver to race on your behalf. Additional […]

  • Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and some playable titles to PAX East

    Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and Splatoon with it to PAX East next month. The E3 2014 build of the game lets eight players transform into squids in a race for “splattered-paint dominance.” Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. will also be playable and featured in stage presentations at the Nintendo booth. Upcoming or newly released Nintendo […]

  • Battlefield Hardline Premium information seems to have slipped out early

    Battlefield Hardline Premium perks have apparently leaked a bit early, according to a post on Reddit. Over on the Hardline subreddit is an image which was take at a GameStop location, noting two week early access to content additional Battlepacks and more. Here’s the rundown: Four expansions Two weeks early access 12 additional Battlepacks Exclusive […]

  • Final Fantasy: Record Keeper arrives in the US this spring

    Final Fantasy: Record Keeper will be released in the US on iOS and Android this spring, DeNA and Square Enix today. The mobile titles allows players to “relive favorite moments” across all Final Fantasy installments and build a team of classic characters from across the entire franchise. If you sign up for email updates, you […]

  • Battlefield Hardline now available for pre-order, pre-download on Xbox One

    Battlefield Hardline is now available for pre-order and pre-download on Xbox One. You can pre-order it now from the Xbox Store and once you have paid for it, you can start your pre-download. Battlefield Hardline releases on March 17, and will be made available to pre-downloaders come 12.01am EDT. Check pricing and availability for your […]

  • Dying Light interactive video allows you switch between day and night

    A new video for Dying Light has been released, which allows you to hit the Z key to change between day and night. Titles Life and Death in the Quarantine Zone, the interactive story video showcases how the game changes between day and night. Daytime and nighttime are shown side-by-side but the z key allows […]

  • Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare out on PS3, PS4; PC delayed

    The Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare is now available for PlayStation 3 and PS4. Havoc contains the four multiplayer maps Core, Drift, Sideshow, and Urban along with the AE4 directed energy assault rifle, its custom variant, and the Exo Zombies cooperative mode. You can purchase the DLC separately or pick up the […]

  • Here’s a teaser for Resident Evil Revelations 2: Episode 2

    A teaser video for the second episode of Resident Evil Revelations 2 is available, so if you’ve yet to play the first episode, you may want to skip this. Resident Evil Revelations 2′s first episode is out now. Thanks, GamesHQMedia.

  • North American eShop update is full of Donkey Kong games

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with Titan Attacks, Donkey Kong Land, Donkey Kong Country and more. eShop on 3DS Ironfall Invasion Titan Attacks! Donkey Kong Land – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 2 – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 3 – Virtual Console Luv Me Buddies Wonderland Around the World […]

  • Venture into the Valley of the Yetis next week in Far Cry 4

    The next batch of Far Cry 4 DLC, Valley of the Yetis, releases in March and Ajay Ghale will be tasked with surviving violent cultists and the mythical Yeti. Apparently the cult is looking for a secret hidden in the valley, and Ajay has discovered their motives. The DLC features co-op with a friend taking […]

  • The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack out for Payday 2, has dino masks

    The 19th DLC pack for Payday 2 title The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack is available on Steam from today. The pack will run you $4.99/€4.99 and features: 11 new weapon modifications for the AK rifles in the game 11 new weapon modifications for the CAR rifles in the game Four new masks together with their […]

  • Battle Chasers slated for PC, consoles; comic picks up where 2001 storyline left off

    Darksiders creator Joe Madureira and Vigil co-founder Ryan Stefanelli have confirmed a Battle Chasers game and a new comic are in the works at their new studio Airship Syndicate. Speaking to Polygon, Madureira and Stefanelli wouldn’t provide details on the the game, but did divulge it will be an adventure RPG with player-controlled Battle Chasers […]

  • Shovel Knight, Hotline Miami 2 discounted for Sony’s annual Spring Fever Sale

    Sony is hosting its annual Spring Fever Sale which runs for eight weeks and features a new title each week. The sale starts next week on March 3 with the launch of Helldivers. Here’s just a few items included in the sale: HELLDIVERS (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March 3 Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March […]

  • The gold Super Mario amiibo is a Walmart exclusive

    The Super Mario Gold amiibo which surfaced via a CPSIA certificate earlier this month will be a Walmart-exclusive, Nintendo has announced. The gold-colored Mario amiibo will be released the same day as the Mario Party 10 game for Wii U and will run you $12,96 at 3,000 participating Walmart stores in the US. Along with […]

  • Here’s an overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

    As new gameplay overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, culled from the Active Time Report, stream has been sent over by Square Enix. The video provides a look at the history and environments of the Kingdom of Orience; the 14 memebers of Class Zero; the battle system with customizable magic spells; and the ability […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 video gives you a look at the game’s wildlife

    A new video shown by Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata during the latest Active Time Report, contains a look at the game’s wildlife and ecology. You can watch the full stream two hour stream through here, or a smaller clip courtesy of GamesHQMedia below.

  • Lionhead ventures into the free-to-play space with Fable Legends

    Fable Legends will be free-to-play when it launches on PC and Xbox One. According to Lionhead, the one versus four cross-platform title borrows from MOBA games such as Dota 2 and League of Legends as it will contain free, rotating heroes which will be added to a roster for a two week period. Once the […]

  • Win! 5 pairs of tickets to the Call of Duty European Championships

    We have five pairs of tickets to giveaway for the Call of Duty European Championships, taking place in London this weekend. The event takes place this Saturday February 28 and Sunday March 1 at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. Winners can watch teams will go head to head for a $10,000 prize pot […]

  • Republique Remastered has released on Mac and PC

    Republique Remastered, which was announced earlier this month, is now available for Mac and PC. The game is 20% off through Steam, GOG and the Humble Store for $19.99 until March 4. Thereafter, it will run you $24.99. The Remastered edition contains all five episodes of the game, with 1-3 available now and the remaining […]

  • LA Cops coming to Xbox One in March

    Isometric shooter LA Cops is coming to Xbox One on March 13. Already on Steam Early Access, the game looks like it’s been heavily inspired by Hotline Miami. Walk into a room, open fire, leave bloody puddles in your wake. It’s being published by Team 17. Check out the video below for some 70s cop […]

  • We have $500 of Steam Wallet funds to giveaway!

    We’re giving away 10 Steam Wallet prizes worth $50 each to VG247 readers, courtesy of Bundle Stars. All you need to do to be in with a chance of winning $50 Steam credit is to enter your details below. Join the Bundle Stars Steam group for entry in the sweepstake, and gain extra entries for […]

  • Lapsed Final Fantasy 14 players tempted back with 10 day freebie

    Square is offering lapsed FF 14: A Realm Reborn players a chance to come back to the game for 10 days worth of free adventuring. Provided you’ve already bought and registered an account you’ll be able to play free of charge from Feb 27 to March 9. Square wants you to sample the new content […]

  • Advanced Warfare: Sledgehammer looking at “opportunities” to recreate classic Call of Duty maps

    Sledgehammer Games has told VG247 it’s looking at opportunities to recreate classic Call of Duty maps in Advanced Warfare. According to co-founder Michael Condrey, players of the latest Havoc DLC are asking how Exo abilities and verticality can be added to classic franchise maps. “We’re taking a look at some opportunities to really highlight the […]

  • GTA Online reader playlist week 7: and the winner is…

    Stuff was shot. But only one player emerged victorious. GTA Online player e031271 won last night’s VG247 reader playlist, beating myself, Matt and regulars solidorwot and Revolting. Congratulations, Mr e031271. A deserved victory. We play a GTA Online playlist in an open session every Wednesday on PS4, because it’s both funny and fun. Anyone’s welcome […]

  • Leaked screens reveal The Reef as Destiny’s new “social space”

    A handful of leaked Destiny screens seem to confirm that The Reef location will be the new social space in Destiny. The new addition is likely to be revealed as part of the upcoming House of Wolves expansion. Reddit user Megamanexe4 dropped the screens on the site earlier this morning, along with grabs that reveal […]

  • Darksiders creator teases Battle Chasers game

    Joe Madureira, creator of Darksiders, has released art that strongly suggests a Battle Chasers game is in the works. Battle Chasers was a comic book from the late 1990s that suffered notorious production problems between issues and was never finished. Madureira formed Airship Syndicate after the collapse of THQ, where he co-created Darksiders. His latest […]