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AMD says Nvidia’s console gripes are “sour grapes.”

Monday, 19 August 2013 10:55 GMT By Dave Owen

AMD has quite a stake in the upcoming next-gen consoles. It’s manufacturing the CPU/GPU for both the Xbox One and PlayStation 4. Their competitor Nvidia has been critical of consoles lately, stating that new mobile devices will out-perform current-gen consoles and that financially the new consoles weren’t worth their time. AMD disagrees.

Speaking with Gaming Bolt, AMD’s PR lead Robert Hallock said Nvidia’s comments “seem a bit like sour grapes to me. The reality, according to industry legends like John Carmack (citation), is that the standardization of console hardware will, in his words, ‘make it cheaper and easier to develop games for multiple platforms.’

“And, he continues, that will improve the quality of games as devs spend time polishing them, rather than juggling architectural particulars. We are very proud to help enable this sort of ecosystem for game developers, and excited that such an ecosystem runs almost unilaterally on our hardware. I can’t imagine why anyone would willingly cede such a favorable situation.”

These comments are similar to those made in VG247′s interview with PS4 lead architect Mark Cerny, who stated that, by offering hardware standardization, consoles are highly beneficial to developers.

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16 Comments

  1. VibraniumSpork

    *anticipates PC Master Race response* http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/478/172/4b4.gif

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Erthazus

    AMD has issue selling their videocards and the only way to sell the cheapest ones is to sell to Sony or Microsoft.
    Perfect fit.

    In any case by making x86 architecture with AMD stuff both consoles are going to age pretty fast and ports from consoles to PC will be easy as F.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. viralshag

    @1, Almost spot on…

    #3 2 years ago
  4. minxamo

    Yeah, Nvidia have been really childish since MS and Sony rejected them. I assume they found out around the time they started egesting bullshit charts and graphs telling everyone how great they are.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. TMRNetShark

    NVidia isn’t wrong in saying that mobile devices will be more and more powerful.

    That isn’t the problem. Power (and specifically batteries) are the limiting factor of having high clock speeds to run on CPU/GPUs.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. alterecho

    Nvidia’s tone would have been different if they had secured the deals. Nvidia is focusing on mobile ONLY because they lost out to AMD in console deals.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Bashtee

    @2 I disagree. AMD was able to increase their market share with GPUs, mainly because of the APU-concept. Same goes for Intel (62% market share). Nvidia has no license to produce x86 chips, which is why they are trying to get a better foothold in the mobile market. However, this won’t be a longterm solution.

    I also believe that changing to the x86 architecture was a well-made dicision. There is a clear stagnation in CPU performance, because the demand for it is rather low. You can still play your HD games on 5-7 year old CPUs, not to mention all these office PCs. The focus shifted towards less energy consumption. I actually think that the next gen will most likely be our longest one.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. bradk825

    I think sour grapes sums it up. Mobile games are a nice distraction at times but if you are a core gamer you’re not going to be playing Gears of War or Destiny on a cell phone any time in the near future. The biggest games will, at least for the foreseeable future, but on bigger hardware. Consoles and PC.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Cobra951

    Sour grapes? More like marketing push, which is understandable. Nvidia will prop up devices that bring them money, and downplay those which do not. Can’t blame them for the spin. On the flip side, since anything they say on the subject is skewed, it can’t be taken at face value.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. sebastien rivas

    Sounds like Nvidia is rumbling in the wind.

    Aggreed with @9, @7, @6

    No one forced Nvidia to not R&D on APU and/or not to partnership with Intel.
    Xbox/Ps4 would be a complete different game if it was not for Nvidia not thinking straight.

    You can rumble all you want but given the choice, gamers prefer to play on a 40 inches or bigger rather than 5.2 inch across or alike.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. KTF26

    @6
    nvidia is not focusing on mobile
    nvidia focus on there business with large enterprises
    the console deal is not a big business when you compare it with VDI servers deals with ibm, vmware, citrix, ….
    amd focus on end users business because intel and nvidia have better relationship with these large enterprises

    @10
    you can connect your mobile to a large screen through mhl and play using bluetooth controller… not a problem
    but right now must of mobile games not have a good support for controller
    but next year… who know???

    and yes, what nvidia’s boss says is right
    the upcoming mobile’s SoC will outperform current gen consoles
    not only tegra devices will do it even
    i think snapdragon will outperform next tegra

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Kalain

    Actually, I don’t think that this is sour grapes at all.

    AMD needed the consoles as they were/are losing out to Nvidia and Intel hand over fist. MS and Sony will need to shift a lot of consoles to help AMD out of their current financial situation.

    Nvidia has a nice sideline business in High-performance professional cards for those who wish to do rendering on a massive scale (Pixar etc etc). They also have the Nvidia Grid, or whatever it’s called, which is coming out shortly which can also be used for rendering VM/VDI’s and not just network rendering. Being in a company which is looking to upgrade our VDI network, it looks very appealing.

    Nvidia didn’t need the consoles at the price MS and Sony where demanding but AMD did. No, this is AMD just trying to us PR spin because Nvidia do have some great devices/GPU’s coming out.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. CPC_RedDawn

    AMD’s desktop GPU’s are much better than Nvidia’s at the moment. If anyone was in the market for a new GPU I would recommend them to AMD straight away.

    Their APU’s are insanely good value for money their top end APU at the moment the AMD A10 Richland APU being £125 and for that you get an extremely good CPU and a GPU that will be enough to power the majority of games at 720p at medium settings only failing in really intensive games like Crysis 3, and Metro.

    Their drivers have improved ten fold since the Never Settle Drivers were released in November last year and since then their drivers have been top notch.

    They just released their frame pacing driver fix in 13.8 beta drivers for crossfire platforms and using a software fix they have met or even beat in some cases Nvidia’s hardware based frame pacing technique which is just amazing.

    Their Never Settle Game bundles with all new GPU’s brought are VERY VERY hard to turn down, you get THREE free games and top line games too like Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Hitman, and soon to be Battlefield 4 as well!

    Plus they just dropped the price of their current cards by nearly 20% to make room for their new GPU’s the 9970 which will be announced in Hawaii in September.

    AMD have been on the ball lately and it shows their last forecast put them on a 30% sales increase.

    What have Nvidia done lately? Released an overpriced GPU (TITAN) thats nearly 40-50% more expensive yet only 20-25% more powerful than HD7970 and GTX780. This caused a price hike in their GPU’s now they released the 700 series GPU’s and they are charging insane amounts for them and all the 700 series is apart from the top 780 which is a shrunken down TITAN the other lower cards (770, 760, etc) are just rebranded 600 series GPU’s with very slight differences such as certain shader clusters being enabled and more memory.

    If the rumors are true and the new AMD HD9970 is as powerful as people say it is and they have the yields up to good standards and they can sell it for a lesser price than the GTX780 whilst matching the king of kings performance (that king being the HD7990 a dual GPU) then AMD have another winner on their hands.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. nollie4545

    Dude, where are you getting this shit? Seriously, APUs are a crap solution for any enthusiast gamer, and AMD are trailing in the wake of development when it comes to GPU tech, just as they trail Nvidia in financial performance. AMD cannot hold a torch to either intel or Nvidia, they are a jack of all trades and a master of none. They have no answer to the GTX 780, they have no answer to Titan (how you can claim this card is overpriced considering it poke, sheer die size and compute performance I have no idea, I suppose the 7990 is good value?).

    Nvidia are clearly on to something given the growth of mobile gaming, now we have devices which can churn out some serious graphics in the palm of your hand.

    Not only that but the GTX 800 series is going to be a serious game changer given the project Denver CPU it will have on board.

    Where are AMD in the discrete market? They have no competitor for the 700 series cards, much less Titan. Whoop de do, APU and system on a chip sales to MS and Sony, cranking out a cheap shit product for the masses at a margin Nvidia clearly weren’t prepared to work for. Given their sales and strong financial performance over recent years, I can’t see the problem.

    If MS and Sony were serious about providing gamers with a truly next gen console they would have solid state drives, an intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU.

    Another 12 months and intel will have cracked the integrated graphics CPU market which is traditionally AMDs stomping ground, then it is all over. No wonder they were desperate for the console volume. You bump your gums about some 9000 series card when they haven’t even pitched the 8000 series yet nor matched the die shrink.

    The sad truth is neither Microsoft nor Sony could afford frontline Nvidia or Intel tech in their machines.

    Nvidia cards are expensive because of their huge R&D spend. They are premium product makers, and they know it. Same as Intel. You want market leading technology, no good moaning about the price. Given the ridiculous numbers of Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs sold into high end commerical organisations, I can understand why they won’t sell anything cheaply.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. TheWulf

    I just think that the ‘next gen’ is kind of a misnomer.

    I’m not a fan of graphical fidelity. So depth of field that makes me feel myopic, nausea-inducing motion blur, and shader/particle spam obscuring lazy art assets aren’t exactly what I consider to be a fun time. I’ve been known for being a proponent of aesthetics, and there’s only one technology in the past number of years that truly improves upon the aesthetics of a game, rather than just the fidelity. Yes, tessellation.

    And it’s the one thing that this ‘next gen’ doesn’t have. And that’s where AMD has truly dropped the ball, because it’s the only truly worthwhile change. It’s something that can make a game more beautiful, rather than just improving the fidelity, or making it more busy with spammy nonsense covering your screen. And it’s just not there. I feel AMD dropped the ball, here.

    The funny thing is is that the ‘next gen’ owners are the Master Race, because all they’re getting is fidelity, and they’re saying that the price of the new console is justified by the increase in fidelity. Isn’t that what this Master Race has been saying all along? That dropping money on hardware is worth it for the increased fidelity?

    My point here is obvious, and frankly, completely on the nose. You know it’s true as well as I do.

    It’s a huge amount of money being dropped for a small amount of fidelity, then it’s people who decide that that jump in fidelity is worth it brown-nosing everyone who doesn’t. Yeah, that sounds pretty Master Race-y to me.

    Personally, I’d advise people to just stick with the 360 and PS3 until this ‘next gen’ proves what it can do that’s truly different, beyond a small leap in fidelity. Now, this Nu Master Race can attack me all they like, but my heart is in the right place, here.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. nollie4545

    Thing is tessellation requires hardware designed from the boots up to do it, and it takes horsepower, although can give incredible results.

    I do have to smile when I see people bitching about how PC gamers spend money for quality and high graphical pre-sets, yet those same people are about to blow serious money a console which sports hardware deemed already obsolete in the PC world.

    #16 2 years ago

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  • Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is here with new game mode, netcode improvements and more

    DICE has released the Winter Patch for Battlefield 4. The patch brings an eSports focus with new game mode Squad Obliteration and plenty more. Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is now live on all platforms. It’s just over 400MB on PC and 1.34GB on consoles. The patch adds new game mode Squad Obliteration and more customisation […]

  • HTC hopes to see Half-Life on VR headset Vive

    Vive manufacturer HTC said that it hopes to see Valve games, including Half-Life, on the virtual reality headset. Speaking to the BBC, HTC chairwoman Cher Wang said that Valve is keen on having its games available on the VR headset. “I think Valve’s best game is Dota, right, and Portal and [Team Fortress] and I […]

  • Make money easily in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

    If you’re looking to buy a fell set of armour for your character in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate but keep falling short on Zenny, this video will show you an easy way to make lots of it. Arekkz Gaming has a very handy tip for all Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate players: how to make Zenny […]

  • This is how you claim free Xbox One games from your Xbox 360

    Microsoft is giving everyone the ability to claim their free Xbox One Games with Gold titles from their Xbox 360 console, even without owning an Xbox One. If you don’t yet own an Xbox One and want to make sure you don’t miss out on all those free Games with Gold games, you’ll be pleased […]

  • Destiny weekly reset for March 3: Heroic and Nightfall detailed

    Bungie has reset the weekly cap of Crucible and Vanguard marks and added new Heroic and Nightfall strikes, now with burn. From now until next Tuesday, the weekly Heroic strike will be The Devil’s Lair with Heroic and Lightswitch modifiers. As for the Nightfall, you’ll be fighting Sepiks Prime with the help of Arc burn. […]

  • Few Mass Effect FemShep cosplays are as elaborate as this one

    The internet is full of Female Commander Shepard cosplay from Mass Effect, but very few are as terrific as this one. Visual artist Freya Willia has spent over two years painstakingly creating the perfect suit of armour and the best weapons to make her cosplay of Female Shepard as authentic as possible, Omni tool and […]

  • Deals with Gold: Assassin’s Creed Unity, Red Dead Redemption and more discounted

    This week’s Deals with Gold titles for Xbox Live subscribers is a good mix of modern games and old favourites. The list of discounted games through this week’s Deals with Gold is live with discounts on Assassin’s Creed Unity, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne 3, and more. The deals are live now […]

  • Destiny guide: how to maximise your Grimoire Points

    Destiny players regularly compare the size of their Grimoire Points. Learn how to make yours the biggest. Destiny guide: how to earn Grimoire Points In Destiny, earning most Grimoire cards is just a matter of playing the game, maybe a little more attentively than usual. You’ll either need to complete a certain number of actions […]

  • Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows will let you play as a baddie

    Shovel Knight owners will benefit from the generosity of Kickstarter backers quite soon. Because Shovel Knight was overfunded during its Kickstarter campaign, developer Yacht Club Games committed to releasing free content updates. The first of these, Plague of Shadows, has now been detailed. The expansion stars baddy Plague Knight, who turns on his former allies, […]

  • GTA controversies, from Hot Coffee to PR manipulation

    GTA has a long history of controversy. The latest Did You Know Gaming tells the full stories behind the sensational headlines. Grand Theft Auto is such a byword for controversy that it’s easy to forget the full context of what actually happened to bring mainstream press, politicians and interest group awareness to the Rockstar series. […]

  • Infamous 2 one of five new PlayStation Now additions for March

    PlayStation Now will expand to the tune of five new games this month. The March PS Now additions are Infamous 2, Twisted Metal, R-Type Dimensions, Alone in the Dark: Inferno and Operation Flashpoint: Red River. PS Now will set you back $20 per month or $45 for a three month subscription. It offers all you […]

  • Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster gets PS4 release date

    Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster hits PS4 in May. The PS4 release date for Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster is May 12 in North America and May 15 in Europe. Gematsu reports a special pre-order bonus calendar with art by Yoshitaka Amano is available through the Square Enix Store and participating retailers. In Europe, pre-ordering […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare getting 15 new Prestige levels

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare players can now aspire to the ranks of Grand Master Prestige. Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games will add 15 more Prestige levels to the latest Call of Duty, giving players at max XP a chance to grow even further. According to the Sledgehammer Games blog, when you enter Master level […]

  • Destiny: Crota’s End recreated in Minecraft

    Destiny’s toughest challenge gets even nastier if you throw Creepers into the mix. The ultimate Destiny challenge – for now – is the Crota’s End raid. Taking place in an alternate dimension accessed through the Hellmouth on the Moon, the Raid takes Guardians through a pit of darkness to the resting place of Crota himself. […]

  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3D trailer introduces the Heir to the Monado

    Xenoblade Chronicles 3D protagonist Shulk is the Heir to the Monado, his distinctive red sword. Let this trailer fill you in on what that means. Xenoblade Chronicles 3D releases for New 3DS on April 2 in Europe and April 10 in North America. As well as all the content of the Wii original, it has […]

  • The Elder Scrolls: Total War mod covers Morrowind, Oblivion and more

    The Elder Scrolls: Total War is a terrific mod allowing you get get intimately involved with the history of Bethesda’s detailed fantasy universe. The first release of The Elder Scrolls: Total War dropped on the weekend, giving players their first chance to try out LoRdNazgu1‘s creation. This version runs from 3E 427 to 4E 45, […]

  • Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 out now on Steam

    Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 is out now. Yes, we’re surprised too. You can grab Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 on Steam for $8. Developer Scott Cawthon really doesn’t mess about; the game was only announced in early January. Here’s the blurb: Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza closed it’s doors, the events that took […]

  • EVE Online heister makes off with $13,000 worth of goods

    EVE Online is a hotbed of villainy, espionage and backstabbing, but one intrepid corporate thief has made waves even in this setting. The thing about EVE Online is that it’s a true sandbox: the game’s rules are very loose, and allow players to make careers out of theft, piracy, assassination and espionage in addition to […]

  • Marth Amiibo getting a stock refresh in North America

    Nintendo of America has announced a fresh supply of the difficult to find Marth Amiibo. The Marth Amiibo will be back in stock in the US in late April, the platform holder said on Twitter today. Planning to pick up Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. and don’t have a Marth amiibo? More are headed to stores in […]

  • Skyrim beta update upgrades creation kit file size

    Skyrim has been granted a new beta update – more than three years after launch! – to improve the experience for modders and those who use them. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim released in November 2011. I think that’s worth noting before we discuss the beta update that dropped today, even as Bethesda is working […]

  • Paradox’s next epic RPG is, uh, Knights of Pen & Paper 2

    Knights of Pen & Paper 2 is very serious business so please enjoy this very serious trailer. “Return to the dicey world of Knights of Pen & Paper for a new turn-based adventure, where players get to take on the role of players, and also of the game’s encounter-designing, rules-laywering GM in a fully customizable […]

  • Amplitude looks amazing in new gameplay trailer, has a team multiplayer mode

    Amplitude may have been delayed but we still get something this March: a fine new gameplay trailer. Amplitude is coming to PlayStation 3 and PS4 sometime in northern summer. It’s a reprisal of Harmonix’s classic rhythm action game, a forerunner to its later efforts with Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and was crowdfunded. Update: Turns […]

  • DayZ creator’s “crazy”, “esoteric” next game developed with Improbable

    DayZ creator Dean “Rocket” Hall has dropped the first vague details of his new game project. “I do not want to make safe games. I do not want to make games the way we have been making them. What if the most experienced video game staff in the world collaborated on the most esoteric and […]

  • Battlefield Hardline will support AMD’s Mantle

    AMD has confirmed what most Battlefield fans thought. Battlefield Hardline will indeed support Mantle. Battlefield Hardline will support Mantle, AMD has confirmed. Some players weren’t sure whether the retail version of the game will support AMD’s API, due to its absence from the recent PC beta. AMD did not say whether the feature will be […]

  • Unreal Engine 4 GDC 2015 sizzle reel shows what the tech can do

    Unreal Engine 4 is a pretty versatile bit of tech, as this new sizzle reel shows. As one of the more ubiquitous engines, Unreal will be on show at GDC this week. Developer Epic produced the following sizzle reel to quickly demonstrate what it can do – cutting edge graphics (there are very few games […]

  • Survarium’s latest patch removes limit on battle ammo, rebalances experience gain

    The latest Survarium patch has readjusted the value of experience and reputation points gained and removed the limit to the maximum amount of ammo you can use in combat. Survarium developer Vostok Games has released patch 0.27a to the public, having recently finished testing it. The patch is a major one and covers changes to […]

  • The Hunt Begins in new Bloodborne TV spot

    Bloodborne is so close you can almost smell its coppery tang on the wind – and also you can watch commercials for it. Bloodborne arrives on PS4 at the end of this month (March 24 North America, March 25 Europe, March 27 UK) so excitement is starting to build. Sony isn’t helping keep us calm […]

  • World of Warcraft: you’ll soon be able to buy game time with gold

    Blizzard will soon allow World of Warcraft players to exchange in-game gold for game time and vice versa. Blizzard has announced a new system that will launch soon for World of Warcraft. The system is called WoW Token. Using this system, players will be able to buy game time using in-game gold. Here’s how it […]

  • 3D Realms’ Bombshell returns with the first gameplay trailer

    Remember 3D Realms’ Bombshell? The isometric ARPG that was announced last year? Well, it’s back, and we get to see gameplay footage. The game stars Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison, a bomb technician turned mercenary with a mechanical arm. She will embark on a quest to rescue the president and save Earth, all while shooting aliens. The […]

  • Unreal Engine 4 is now free for everyone to use

    Epic Games has made Unreal Engine 4 available for anyone to download and use, for free. Unreal Engine 4 is now free. Anyone can download it and start using it, the developer announced today in a blog post. The download features the the full set of tools used by Epic, and includes 100% of the […]

  • Call of Duty European Championship winner announced

    The winner of the European round of the Call of Duty Championship has been announced. This past weekend, 28 teams representing UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, the rest of Europe and Middle East attended the final of the European round of the Call of Duty Championship. UK team Epsilon eSports was crowned […]

  • GOG brings back Insomnia sale with discounts up to 90% off

    GOG.com is bringing back its Insomnia sale event with even more games. GOG’s Insomnia sale is back with double the amount of games. This year, there will be two sets of games available at once. The sets are seasoned classics and fresh new titles. Each set will feature games with discounts up to 90% off, […]

  • 2K is shutting down NBA 2K14 online servers, won’t affect career save files

    2K will be shutting down the servers for NBA 2K14 this month. The publisher revealed yesterday that online servers for NBA 2K14 will be turned offline on March 31. “You will no longer be able to play ranked games/online association,” reads the announcement. NBA 2K14 relied on online servers to store save files for MyCareer […]

  • One Dead or Alive tournament organiser is proposing ban of “over-sexualised” costumes

    A Dead or Alive tournament organiser has suggested a soft ban on some of the game’s “over-sexualised” costumes, and not everyone is happy. Tournament organiser “The HuBBs” took to the FreeStepDodge forums to suggest a list of rules that other offline tournaments can follow. The list goes over stages, characters, moves, which is certainly in […]

  • Destiny: all the news from Bungie’s open house Q&A

    Bungie hosted an open house Q&A session with the community last week and lots of exciting news have come out of it. Arekkz Gaming has gathered all the information that came out of Bungie’s open house Q&A in one handy video. The list is massive, going over Exotic weapon balance, upcoming events, PVE, Crucible rewards, […]

  • Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen to honour Nimoy with in-game memorials

    Developers behind space exploration games Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen will honour the memory of Leonard Nimoy through in-game memorials. The develops of both games have confirmed separately that in-game memorials will be established to honour the memory of the late Star Trek actor, Leonard Nimoy, famous for playing Spock. Elite: Dangerous executive producer Michael […]

  • Deal: get a PlayStation 4 + three exclusives for $399

    Amazon’s latest PlayStation 4 deal is not one to miss. With purchase of a PlayStation 4 console from Amazon in the US, the online retailer will throw in digital codes for Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadow Fall and The Last of Us: Remastered, all for the same MSRP of $399. The Last of Us Remastered […]