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Nintendo Q1: 160k Wii Us sold, ¥8.6 billion net income

Wednesday, 31st July 2013 08:49 GMT By Dave Cook

Nintendo’s financials for the three months ending June 30 have shown flagging sales of ¥81.5 billion, with the total number of global Wii U hardware sales for the quarter at just 160,000.

Nintendo Q1

Q1 net sales of ¥81.5 billion, down 3.8% year-on-year.

Q1 net income of ¥8.6 billion, 63.7% of total net sales came from overseas

Full-year net sales projection is ¥920 billion and net income of ¥55 billion.

Animal Crossing: New Leaf was Nintendo’s biggest Q1 seller at 1.54 million global units. Has now hit 5.4 million life-time sales.

In the company’s financial report, Nintendo confirmed that the ¥81.5 billion ($832.6m / £547.5m) net sales figure was down 3.8% on the same quarter last year, which raked in ¥84.8 billion.

The report adds that gross profit hit ¥36.4 billion, net profit hit ¥8.6 billion, and 63.7% of total net sales came from overseas markets. By contrast, Nintendo incurred a net income loss of ¥17.2 billion in the same quarter last year.

This year saw operating income of ¥4.924 billion down from last year’s ¥10.331 billion, suggesting that Nintendo’s decision to stay away from E3 and focus on internet campaigns like Nintendo Direct has helped the company trim some fat.

The company now forecasts net sales for the fiscal year ended March 2014 at ¥920 billion and net income at ¥55 billion.

Wii U

The report states that Wii U hardware sales for the quarter were 0.16 million units (160,000) while software hit 1.03 million.

An excerpt reads, “Although the Wii U hardware sales still have a negative impact on Nintendo’s profits, gross profits were ¥36.4 billion mainly owing to the fact that the proportion of the software sales over net sales increased and the profitability of the Nintendo 3DS hardware improved.

3DS & Software Overall

In software, Nintendo’s biggest-hitter for the quarter was Animal Crossing: New Leaf on 3DS at 1.54 million units sold worldwide, followed by Luigi’s Mansion 2: Dark Moon at 1.43 million units and Tomodachi Collection at 1.39 million units.

Incredibly, Animal Crossing: New Leaf has sold 5.4 million copies since its initial launch in Japan.

No Wii U title passed the one million sales mark.

For incoming game releases in Japan, The Legend of Zelda Wii U is now pegged for an ‘Early 2014′, Mario Kart 8 is still down for Spring, Super Mario 3D World is still simply a ‘End of 2013′ release, while Yoshi’s New Island remains undated.

2014 will also yield the Japanese release of Bayonetta 2, Yarn Yoshi, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and “A brand new title from Monolith Software Inc.”

Moving onward, the report states that Nintendo will help more Japanese studios release their games overseas and that it will continue to ramp up digital sales in an effort to improve profitability.

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  1. DrDamn

    That 160k WiiU sales for 3 months worldwide breaks down as Japan 90k, US 60k and Other 10k. 10k in three months for Europe? Ouch.

    http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130731e.pdf

    #1 9 months ago
  2. FeaturePreacher

    I wonder if Nintendo hits the panic button if the Wii U fails to sell 4 million units worldwide near the end of 2013. Can’t wait to see what happens when Nintendo faces next-gen competition during the holidays.

    #2 9 months ago
  3. DrDamn

    @2
    There should be a big official price cut and some more software by then, but it’s going to be tough. There is no momentum at all currently.

    #3 9 months ago
  4. FeaturePreacher

    Wii sold more units than Wii U in the same period by the way.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-07-31-nintendo-160-000-wii-us-sold-in-past-three-months

    #4 9 months ago
  5. FabioPal

    @1 “Ouch” indeed.

    These numbers are simply awful for the big N.

    1.03M software (out of 3.6M total consoles) just tell that the owners are PRAYING for games to be shipped.

    #5 9 months ago
  6. Francis O

    @3 DrDamn

    How is there no momentum? Pikmin 3 was released in Japan and the Wii U was the top selling home console since then.

    Pikmin 3 and New Super Luigi U made the UK Charts top 20, with Pikmin 3 reaching number 2. There was no hardware numbers, but one would guess sales went up as well.

    Pikmin 3 is about to launch in the US where historically it’s done the best. The momentum is just getting started.

    Just like the 3DS, the Wii U just needs games and you’ll see the console sell. I think Pikmin 3 proved that, and that’s not even Nintendo’s biggest title for the year.

    #6 9 months ago
  7. Clupula

    These numbers are WAAAAY worse than I thought they’d be.

    If not for the 3DS, Nintendo would be on life support right now.

    The 3DS is doing great, but the Wii U is a sinking ship at the moment. It got a momentary bump when Pikmin 3 came out, but a week after, it was right back to being behind the Vita in sales.

    At this point, I feel like if Nintendo dropped the Wii U completely, they’d be the strongest company out there, just on the strength of their handhelds, but the Wii U is just a giant bag of bricks around their neck.

    #7 9 months ago
  8. DrDamn

    @6
    You are talking about chart positions and relative performance not sales numbers. Chart position means nothing if everything around it is selling small numbers too.

    Look at the numbers. WiiU was selling about 5-7k a week in Japan. Pikmin 3 took that up to 21k followed by 14k. That’s an attributable gain of about 25k compared to LTD sales of ~1m for the region. That is not momentum.

    #8 9 months ago
  9. Professor Zoom

    #6 Then what is the biggest title? Don’t say Mario World or Zelda remake, otherwise I’ll laugh. 15 exclusives are coming to X1 at launch, 8 of which are brand new franchises, the preorders are stormed that most stores have PS4 and X1 outsold already, is Wii u gonna do any of this? Will it overall even have more games than X1 or PS4 at launch even after a whole year at the market? If you’re running out of new ideas, running out of third party support and if there is only 3 or 4 games to play on a console in a 3 or 4 year period, then you’re gonna be having problems. Tell me when was the last time a third party or western game was a best seller on a Nintendo home system?

    #9 9 months ago
  10. monkeygourmet

    Lets not forget, Nintendo is almost turning a profit from every Wii U sold.

    That margin will only increase next year when all the bigger games start hitting.

    PS4 / Xbone will not turn a profit for a looooong time, hence why the consoles have to have longer lifecycles.

    Dev costs of Wii U games are also cheaper than the other 2 companies aswell.

    @9

    What 15 exclusives are these? I heard them talking about them, can you list the ones we know of that you would qualify as ‘next gen’ experiences and worth the £429 entry price?

    #10 9 months ago
  11. Francis O

    #7

    Clupula, your not an financial analyst, your generally negative on everything Nintendo does.

    “If not for the 3DS, Nintendo would be on life support right now.”

    You might want to research how much money Nintendo has in the bank. I’m not trying to say the 3DS isn’t helping them tremendously, but your that’s a bit steep.

    The Vita is selling ok in Japan, you know that right? And just as long as it outsells the PS3, its real competition for HOME CONSOLES, thats what matters. We all know portables outsell consoles. The Vita has been outselling the PS3 for months now in Japan.

    The Wii U is going to pick up when more games come out. And you’ll be eating your words just like all the people who said that Nintendo dropped the ball with the 3DS and it was sinking.

    @8

    Sales chart position is important right now, and it is relative to the companies performance. Momentum in sales for titles like New Super Luigi U and Pikmin 3 are good.

    How is an increase in sales due to a summer title not momentum? I guess being the top console sold from a small title like Pikmin 3 is nothing? Yakuza comes out next week, The Wonderful 101 by the end of August then Zelda, Sonic, and Wii Party U in October. I think there is momentum from where its been.

    #11 9 months ago
  12. monkeygourmet

    A lot of the ‘hate’ ultimatly comes from people who felt the Wii was too ‘childish’.

    This bad attitude has crossed over onto the Wii U.

    All it really means is people bought into the fact that games like GOW, COD, FIFA etc… made them feel like a ‘big boy’.

    You only shaft yourself with that attitude and miss out on some stone cold classics.

    #12 9 months ago
  13. Francis O

    @9

    I hear this pre-order stuff a lot on this site, it’s like everbody hater has banded together and said the pre-orders top Wii U! Its doomed!

    Pre-orders don’t equal final sales. Not to mention Wii U has a ton of software coming out this summer and fall. Its going to continue selling.

    The Xbox One is $500 and not even shipping in every country this fall. I find it funny people actually think it will outsell the Wii U. Western gamers think they are so smart until they are proven wrong.

    The PS4 and Xbox One are not going to do as good as a lot of you guys are predicting. I remember going on this site and EVERYBODY was saying the 3DS is doomed to the Vita, and how the Vita and Smartphones were going to kill the 3DS.

    Then Nintendo released a bunch of software and those haters disappeared and nobody here will even admit they thought the 3DS would fail. But anyway, I’ll make sure to bookmark this page, and have a laugh about it in a few years when the Wii U is doing just as good as the 3DS is now.

    #13 9 months ago
  14. Clupula

    @11 – So, you’re saying that outselling a 7 year old system that has a highly anticipated successor due in 3 or 4 months, for two whole weeks, is all the Wii U has to do to be considered a success? Really? You are aware that the PS3 still sells, in a month, what the Wii U needed an entire quarter to do, right?

    And do you really think that any of those titles, save Zelda and possibly Sonic, are going to build any momentum for the system?

    Wonderful 101 will do probably half as well as all Platinum titles not named Metal Gear Rising did. Yakuza is a collection of 2 PS2 titles that is already available on PS3 in Japan.

    #14 9 months ago
  15. Clupula

    @13 – The 3DS did not beat the Vita with games alone. The biggest factor was giving the system the most drastic price cut I’ve seen in a very, very long time.

    The equivalent would be if Nintendo announced that their $350 unit will now go for $200 and their $300 unit will now go for $150.

    #15 9 months ago
  16. Professor Zoom

    #10 http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/List_of_Xbox_One_Games

    There you have the entire list of games already announced, that’s probably more than Wii u in 2 years, the only major third parties that have announced games to Wii u are Activision and Ubisoft, the X1 exclusives have already been announced by Microsoft to come out at X1 launch.

    And here you can see them all:

    http://www.ign.com/blogs/retrocortana101/2013/06/11/xbox-one-15-exclusives-list-what-has-been-confirmed-post-e3

    #16 9 months ago
  17. DrDamn

    @11
    “Sales chart position is important right now, and it is relative to the companies performance.”

    No the opposite. When there are no other big titles released by others in the same week, when the other platforms are on the decline due to imminent replacements then chart position is of no importance at all. Numbers are important.

    “How is an increase in sales due to a summer title not momentum?”

    Momentum implies a lot more than a temporary jump in sales figures. Other titles are coming which will help, but the bigger titles are next year. Put it this way Toukiden had a very similar impact on PSV sales recently in Japan – does that mean PSV has momentum there?

    #17 9 months ago
  18. Fin

    Sales charts mean very little at this time of year.

    So a first-party game, released a console sorely lacking them, with a vocal fanbase asking for more games, got to number 2, in July?

    I thought the 10k for Europe and Australia was a misprint when I first saw it.

    #18 9 months ago
  19. Dragon246

    As expected, Ninty posted a OPERATING LOSS, only saved due to abenomics.
    1.Wii U numbers are down with the fishes
    2.Pikmin 3 sold bad, both in Japan and overseas.
    3.No big Wii U seller in the horizon.
    4.160 k . That is just sad. Its getting outsold by Gamecube on a monthly basis in US. And we know what happened to GC.
    5.10k outside US and Japan…
    No need to say anything else.

    No matter what anyone says, its a bad result, even more so when they are predicting too much for this FY (around .5 billion profit).

    I really don’t know that they will do with Wii U, they are LOSING money even now, so price cut seems impossible. It has hardly any games coming. Looks bad.

    On the positive side though, 3DS is doing very good. Ninty is smart in diverting most of their attention on 3DS game development and not Wii U, with a great lineup of games coming.

    #19 9 months ago
  20. Clupula

    @11 – Clupula, your not an financial analyst, your generally negative on everything Nintendo does.

    Right, because I feel like if Nintendo dropped the Wii U completely, they’d be the strongest company out there, just on the strength of their handhelds is certainly me being negative on everything Nintendo does. It’s not like I said that the 3DS is doing, not just well, but great for them or anything.

    Also, it’s “you’re not a financial analyst” and “you’re generally negative on everything Nintendo does.”

    #20 9 months ago
  21. Francis O

    Clupula, no matter how hard you try, YOU’RE not a financial analysts. So stop trying to be. And if you are, please tell me how Sony’s gaming division is doing right now, I want to see if you really know your stuff.

    DrDamn – We’ll just agree to disagree. Nintendo needs to sell more software and hardware right now. Them topping the charts is a good thing. And we just have differences in what momentum is. I guess cause I’m actually looking forward to their games when your probably not.

    The PS Vita sells ok in Japan, its not as bad as other countries. And the portables always sell more than home consoles. The PSP crushed the Wii in sales for Japan.

    Professor Zoom, you can list all the games you want, but can you tell me in the history of gaming consoles has a $500 console ever won a generation? Let alone a $500 console that will not sell in Japan at all?

    #21 9 months ago
  22. Dragon246

    “please tell me how Sony’s gaming division is doing right now, I want to see if you really know your stuff”
    Both MS and Sony have gaming divisions much better performing than Ninty, see FY results.

    “Nintendo needs to sell more software and hardware right now. ”
    LOL. Ok, whatever…. Keep deluding yourself.

    #22 9 months ago
  23. Professor Zoom

    #13 What is that ton of software compared to the Sony or Microsoft? Will it sell better than games like GTA 5? Is it anything new and interesting? What countries will PS4 not ship to compared to Wii u? The X1 is not shipping to every country, but those who live outside those countries can order it from sites like Amazon or eBay and even if it isn’t released outside how will the Wii u outsell it with a poor 10k systems sell so far?

    #23 9 months ago
  24. Francis O

    Dragon, you have the full sales numbers for Pikmin 3 overseas? Thats funny, because nobody does, and it hasn’t even been released here in America yet. I guess your a fortune teller.

    Pikmin 3 didn’t sell bad in Japan. No big Wii U sellers on the horizon? Sonic and Zelda in October.

    Nobody is saying the Wii u is doing good, but you’re armchair analysis is one sided and flawed.

    #24 9 months ago
  25. Francis O

    Sony’s gaming division is doing better than Nintendo’s? LOL!

    http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158930

    #25 9 months ago
  26. DrDamn

    @21
    “I guess cause I’m actually looking forward to their games when your probably not.”

    I’ve just finished Lego City Undercover (one of my games of the year) and I’m looking forward to Mario, Zelda HD, Rayman Legends and Sonic Lost World this year. I’m just a bit more realistic about the impact games will have. I think Nintendo absolutely needed a proper Mario 3D and Mario Kart *this* year and a clear indication of when a new Zelda will arrive.

    #26 9 months ago
  27. Dragon246

    @24,
    Nope, Pikmin sold bad in Japan, with sell-through of barely 40-50%, that’s bad. Waaay less than Pikmin 2.
    And yeah, good luck with Sonic outselling Pikmin.
    Also Zelda wont do Wii U much good too. Despite its reverence, Zelda TW only sold 3.5 million in a 100 million plus user base. Hardly a system seller.
    Its just that I have more numbers than you. Keep deluding yourself that Ninty is at the top of hardware and software sales, because it just isn’t. Other companies sells MILLIONS of more software and hardware than Ninty.
    Sorry to burst your little bubble.

    Your #25 post just shows your ignorance. Check back FY numbers.
    Better luck next time. Show me some numbers, not a thread by a xbox fanboy (I know that place well).
    Both MS and Sony have much much better performing gaming division, fact. Cant be bothered to rub numbers on you face again and again since you will just run back to your site and post some more Ninty propaganda like the PS3 and Wii U comparison.
    Must say though, Ninty fanboys LOVE to quote your site on many internet forums.

    #27 9 months ago
  28. Mike W

    @Francis O

    Why are you putting so much effort into defending Nintendo? You don’t owe Nintendo anything and vice versa.
    As long as you enjoy the software they provide you that’s all that matters.

    And guess what the same thing is going to happen tomorrow when Sony post their numbers. There’s going to be someone just like Francis defending Sony if their numbers are in the negative.

    #28 9 months ago
  29. Professor Zoom

    #19 I agree with you with everything, but what is exactly the lineup for 3DS? Is Mario and Luigi the only title?

    #29 9 months ago
  30. Francis O

    @28 Cause I like messing with the people here. Its the same guys who flock to say anything negative about Nintendo so I poke em a bit.

    In the grand scheme of things, I don’t care. But it’s fun to see what they will say. I usually bookmark pages like this, then throw it back in peoples faces years down the line when they are wrong.

    I did that with so many 3DS haters in 2010 and 2011, good times.

    #30 9 months ago
  31. Dragon246

    @28,
    He earns money from that. He has built an entire site for that purpose. Filled with Ninty surrounding with ponies, flowers and so on.

    Btw, Tomorrow will be great :D Sony is expected to increase its financial projections to more than double. However I am more interested in how there hardware, mobile and of course, games division is doing. I think it will be a small profit or loss, give or take a few millions.

    #31 9 months ago
  32. Francis O

    Dragon

    When Pikmin 2 launched the gamecube had been out for 4 years. The Wii U is less than a year old. Comparing the two numbers for the install bases is stupid. Pikmin 3 sold good in Japan, and will continue to sell.

    And nice side step on the those overseas numbers fortune teller. Zelda, DKC, Sonic, Pikmin, The Wonderful 101, ect will all HELP to sell systems.

    #32 9 months ago
  33. Francis O

    Dragon – you want numbers? Here ya go, these are all sourced buddy.

    The financial year ended March 2007, the gaming division reported a 1.97 billion USD loss. Again the PS2 and PSP were profitable back then, so the losses made by the PS3 easily surpass the 2.2 billion USD mark.

    http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2007/8ido180000018aei-att/SonyAR07-E.pdf

    The next year, Sony reported a 1.24 billion USD loss. Again considering the PSP and the PS2, 1.5 billion USD loss just for the PS3 in this one year is an educated guess.

    http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2008/qfhh7c00000htn6x-att/SonyAR08-E.pdf

    In the year that ended March 2009 the gaming division saw some improvements, but still reported a 591 million USD loss.
    Link: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido180000023g2o-att/SonyAR09-E.pdf

    So before the the next financial year started, the PS3 already had a 4.3 billion USD loss to fight, not including R&D! Sony merged the gaming business with the Vaio business and called it “Networked Products & Services”. From this point on it gets complicated to guess the exact PS3 numbers. However the newly formed division reported a 888 million USD loss for its first year. This was the year when the new model launched and the PS3 saw a big price cut. This was the time when Sony decided to go after market share instead of profits. Tha vaio-business is way smaller than the Playstation business, so at the very least 500 million USD of those 888 million loss belong to the Playstation, mainly for the PS3. Let’s be very conservative here and say the PS3 only lost 400 million USD.
    Link: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido18000003dkyy-att/8ido18000003dl0u.pdf
    The year financial ending March 2011 was the very first year the PS3 actually made a profit! The new division posted a 428 million USD profit for the whole year. The Vita was not yet launched and the Vaio business was going strong according to the report. 300 million USD profit for the PS3 is an optimistic guess.
    Link: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/report2011/SonyAR11-E.pdf
    The next year sony decided to mix the division formed 2 years ago with all the other businesses for consumers (LCD, audio and video, gaming, tablets). Sony reported that this new division started with a breathtaking 2.8 billion USD loss. The report states that there were a lot of impacts that went bad for them (floods in Thailand and decreased sales of Playstation 3 hardware, digital cameras and and PCs). Let’s be VERY optimistic and assume that the gaming division did not post a loss, even though the PSN outage cost them 171 million USD and is included in this report.
    Link: http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/23/sonys-playstation-network-outage-costs-171m/
    Link: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2012/common/docs/EAR.pdf
    For the FY 2013 the gaming division is back and called “Game”. Here are the results we have so far:
    Q1: 45 million USD loss
    Q2: 29 million USD profit
    Q3: 53 million USD profit.
    = 37 million USD profit in the past 9 months.

    So overall we are looking at a total loss of 4 billion USD for the PS3, not including R&D and that is a very optimistic guess. With all the factors I chosed to ignore to show you that this is not biased in any way (R&D, PSN Outage, Most of the PS2 / PSP profits) the actual number would be way higher. There are reports that the cell processor alone cost 400 million in R&D, add BluRay, PSN etc. and you get the idea. So a 5-6 billion USD loss for the PS3 is very likely.

    #33 9 months ago
  34. Professor Zoom

    #21 Well, based on pre orders alone, and the install base of casual gamers that will choose it over Wii u, it’s already outselling the Wii u massively, no matter it’s price, people are willing to buy it, and I’m willing to pay that price too, instead of having a last generation system like Wii u that has last generation criterias like a poor online service, no Blu ray drive, region locked games, less powerful than a 360, no lineup of games, poor graphics and no third party support.

    #34 9 months ago
  35. Dragon246

    “HELP to sell systems.”
    Yeah, like 10k outside US and Japan.
    LOL.
    Why don’t you run away like you always do before I post some REAL numbers like before?
    For a person daring others for Youtube challenges, you sure run away quickly.

    #35 9 months ago
  36. KoojoPanda

    Francis – you are delusional. Sorry. Even with a price drop, Smash, Kart, and 3D world, what happens after those sales spikes? People will be clamoring for the next generation consoles, and to suggest that at least the PS4 will not be that successful is lunacy. If the PS4′s earth shattering hype, massive preorder numbers, and irresistible price aren’t indicative of future success, then the WiiU looks about as good as the Virtual Boy.

    #36 9 months ago
  37. DrDamn

    @32
    Was that for me or Dragon. I didn’t mention Pikmin 1, 2 or the GC.

    #37 9 months ago
  38. Francis O

    @36 The PS4 will do ok!

    #38 9 months ago
  39. Francis O

    Dr.Damn- fixed mybad

    @Dragon you want to debate me on YouTube?

    Bring it son, What’s your skype?

    #39 9 months ago
  40. Clupula

    @28 – Because it makes him a hero among Nintendo fanboys on message boards. He made an entire website, just so he can push his bias on people, and get quoted over and over again when Nintendo fanboys are trying to reassure themselves that the Wii U didn’t fail.

    Somehow, that translates to something actually important in his life.

    I’m just waiting for when the PS4 and XBone both outsell the Wii U this year and he’ll spin to as, “Well, the Xbone still sold zero units in Japan!” and then Nintendo fanboys will quote that over and over again.

    It’s like being the prettiest morlock or the homeless guy with the nicest cardboard box.

    #40 9 months ago
  41. Dragon246

    @33,
    Man seriously. Stop making me laugh :D
    Sony lost money initially on PS3 from 2007-09. WE ARE IN 2013. WAKE UP!
    Is that all you got, showing me 4-7 year old numbers from the same link you posted above written by a fanboy on a forum? Son, I am disappoint.
    Btw, PS3 played a major role in blu-ray adoption, and Sony racks in good royalties from that. But saying that to a person so backward in financial knowledge like you wont help. So I will leave it at that.
    Btw, MS posted a BIG profit this quarter, I will spare you the reds by not giving the number. Its BIGGER than what Ninty expects (and will fail miserably) in achieving IN THE ENTIRE YEAR.

    http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158930. Copying you own link. LOL.

    About youtube challenge, I humbly refuse/forfeit. I have better things to do in life than running http://www.poopessence.com

    #41 9 months ago
  42. Professor Zoom

    #32 101 was one of the worst rated games at the E3 awards, and it didn’t get near as much attention like all the other 20 big games at the floor. I highly doubt it will be a system seller. DKC is just a handheld to home console 2D platformer, that proves Nintendo are running out of new and interesting ideas, Wind waker is just a damn remake, Pikmin won’t be the game that makes people buy the system and Sonic is just a family third party game that won’t sell much hardware either.

    #42 9 months ago
  43. Francis O

    Cluplua, ‘You’re’ a idiot. If I wanted to push my bias for Nintendo fanboys I would have just made a dedicated Nintendo site instead of multiplatform site.

    You don’t know what my motivations for my site was. What if I just wanted to make a living to feed my family?

    The Wii U is less than a year old. I don’t even think the PS Vita has failed. The Wii U will be fine because I know Nintendo will bring out games that will push the system. Console generations are marathon, not a sprint.

    We’ll see who will outsell who this fall, but if your console is $500 and doesn’t sell worldwide at launch…. Do you really expect it to do well? Oh the pre-orders….I forgot.

    #43 9 months ago
  44. Clupula

    See, this is the dream for Francis, the Prettiest Morlock. The thread has become about him and not about the failure of the Wii U. In truth, I wonder if he even really cares about the system and is not simply latching on to a scrappy underdog in order to give himself the most attention. I distinctly remember him talking about how his opinion carried more weight than everybody else’s because he had an internet following amongst the unwashed neckbeard crowd. And so, for this to become the everybody vs. Francis show, over and over again, is how he gets his ego boost for the day.

    It doesn’t matter whether he’s right or wrong. That’s why he disappears when enough people prove him full of nonsense. It just matters that all the attention is on him.

    How else to explain his claim that MGSV would be announced for Wii U at E3, only to then never be acknowledged by him again whenever it was brought up as an example of how little he knows what’s talking about? Or how about his recent claim that Atlus would be bought by Nintendo because “two people told him it was going to happen?”

    The curtain has been lifted and we see the Wizard for who he is. And he has no pants.

    #44 9 months ago
  45. Francis O

    Dragon, you would run away from a debate. Don’t say “For a person daring others for Youtube challenges, you sure run away quickly.”

    Then run away yourself! LOL WOW.

    And I see you’re dodging the numbers I posted. If you actually think Sony’s gaming division is doing good, you have issues. They were selling buildings just a little bit ago. And the PS Vita is doing no better than the Wii U.

    @Clupula, my words to carry more weight than most here. Look at how I got all you guys arguing with me over a piece of plastic.

    Mybad on MGS for Wii U. I thought it was going to happen. I was wrong on that one. But I was right on FF vs 13 being rebranded and pushed as FF 15.

    And I never said somebody told me Nintendo was going to buy Atlus… I just implied it based off how Nintendo and Atlus were working together so much.

    #45 9 months ago
  46. Clupula

    @43 – It’d be “you’re an idiot.”

    Jesus, I hope you have editors on your site to fix things like that because you are constantly peppering your conversations with typos.

    As for why you would go with a multiplatform site, instead of a dedicated Nintendo one, it’s because it gives you the appearance of legitimacy. Of course, how could someone who covers all the systems be biased, your fans think. It is a VERY old trick and one I am very familiar with. As a musician, I’ve promoted shows with bands bigger than mine, but made sure my own band was prominently placed before the headliners to maximize my audience. You use the others as a way to push what you want to push.

    A dedicated Nintendo fan site is just another fan site. But an unbiased source of news, well, that’s legit. It’s just when people who know that game see you play it, they can call you right out on it.

    #46 9 months ago
  47. Dragon246

    Yup, I ran away like-
    1. When I posted Sony sells millions more hardware than Ninty.
    2. When I said PS2 outshipped Wii and Wii U combined.
    3. When I said Ninty has worst performing gaming division right now.

    Wait…

    “And I see you’re dodging the numbers I posted.”
    LOL. Please stop. I am sorry for “dodging” 7 year old figures. Sorry.
    Btw, Ninty made love hotels and paid yakuza, I want an explanation. Dont dodge this, please.
    Oh, and Vita is in same boat as Wii U, aka a walking dead. I am absolutely not interested in twisting facts just because its a platform I like. Someone is doing that here, who it might me? :D

    “But I was right on FF vs 13 being rebranded and pushed as FF 15. ”
    LOL. REALLY? You were right in something that you copied from gaf. Kudos!

    And people, http://www.poopessence.com is a legit site. It posts relevant material which no one cares about like “Wii U sold the same as PS3 in roughly the same period in Japan” . Typical fanboy page which made Ninty fanboys world over wet. Its just that PS3 was 599$ and Wii U is 350$ and is still selling at a much slower pace.

    #47 9 months ago
  48. Clupula

    But I was right on FF vs 13 being rebranded and pushed as FF 15.

    Because that rumor hadn’t been floating around for a couple years before you said even a single word about it or anything.

    As for the two people thing, interesting that you’d change your story on a thread that you know got deleted. I can say I’m not the only one who remembers you saying that, though.

    my words to carry more weight than most here. Look at how I got all you guys arguing with me over a piece of plastic

    And yes, I said this is exactly what you want…although I would assume you meant to say “my words do carry more weight than most here.”

    #48 9 months ago
  49. Joe Musashi

    In this thread: religion vs science.

    JM

    #49 9 months ago
  50. Lengendaryboss

    Oh good grief whats going on here: i missed the opportunity to have popcorn and laugh at you all :P

    Not getting into this debate though.

    #50 9 months ago
  51. OmegaSlayer

    Now, maybe, finally, all the Nintendo fanboys can see why people is pissed about Bayonetta2 on a dying machine.

    #51 9 months ago
  52. RandomTiger

    I love my WiiU, I have one game for it, lol.

    #52 9 months ago
  53. Lengendaryboss

    @51
    There are good reasons for that, which is not worth discussing or turning this thread into a heated debate.

    #53 9 months ago
  54. Clupula

    @53 – A little late for that. lol

    #54 9 months ago
  55. OlderGamer

    Only thing I can say is what I have said before: I love the system. If Nintendo can get a the WiiU to 250usd retail/w a pack in, do away with the 8G model, and have some more software..believe it or not I think the release of X1 and PS4 might actualy help WiiU sales.

    The problems with the public right now are price and perception.

    In short the price is too high. But also gamers are still expecting revolutionary graphics/games from PS4/X1. When the new systems launch with the same old franchises with graphics more evolutionary instead of revolutionary, the WiiU will be more appealing. The price of WiiU needs to be significantly lower then it is right now tho.

    From a publisher point of view, the system just hasn’t moved enough units early. Gamers just haven’t bought it(see above). There was a lot of talk about Acti/EA abandoning the platform altogether. I think we heard that because of the lure of no second hands sales on X1. I think a few pubs were drawn to that and looking to put a lot of their eggs in that basket. After the X1 uturn on 24hr DRM checks, even EA announced they weren’t giving up on WiiU and will return if Nintendo can move more units. Also CoD Ghosts was just announced for the system.

    Nintendo most certainly messed up the launch of their new system. Mostly in price point and maybe even a year or two too late. For coming out when it did, it could have had more power. Also, the software, even from Nintendo has been slow. WiiU doesn’t need 3rd parties to sell. I think they are more important then they used to be Madden, FIFA, CoD, BF, Destiny, Titanfall, all very important games. The online focus of those games and the demographic that follows them will never come to WiiU(regardless of system power or price point). I don’t think Nintendo could have much in that area anyways. But their own software has been too slow in release. Pikman should have been a launch game for example.

    Been said a million times, Nintendo is not in direct competition with the other guys. And it is true. Nintendos biggest problem with WiiU has been Nintendo. If they can’t figure it out and get the thing moving, there is little point in bringing a home console to market again. I am not sure, however that they will go to a multiplat pub like many think. I think, instead, that the next Gameboy could come with a HDMI Mini to HDMI, hooking into your TV and double as a handheld and console.

    I would like to see WiiU rebound, no doubt. Not because of some blind loyal fanboy shit, but because the system is a lot of fun to play on. Hate if it makes you feel better.

    #55 9 months ago
  56. Lengendaryboss

    Ok let me add my two cents on this now that the argument has died down ;)

    Nintendo purchases for me has always been the handhelds from Gameboy Advance to DS (Soon 3DS) and its only been for one game Pokemon and maybe a few odd titles.

    But since Pokemon can’t come in a traditional way like on handhelds the purchase for consoles isn’t worthwhile: i would consider it if it had the third party support i’m looking for and No not everyone can buy into to Nintendo platforms just for Nintendo games, it would become boring at some-point in my opinion.

    As for the success of the Wii U, we’ll just wait and see.

    #56 9 months ago
  57. viralshag

    Regardless of what COULD happen in the future, this isn’t a great result right now.

    I do think it needs the 3DS treatment in the way of a severe price cut because I just don’t think the system is worth the price it sells for. I also think it would be better for that to happen sooner rather than later.

    While Nintendo may not be in direct competition with other console manufacturers when it comes to the industry, it’s not true when it comes to peoples wallets. Why would I buy what is essentially a last gen console for more than half the price of an XB1 or PS4?

    The Wii and the WiiU have always struck me as a side console, a family-fun purchase or a Nintendo-fan purchase. I just don’t see it as a contender for your average gamers money.

    I think once the price goes down and people have decided on getting either a PS4 or XB1 they might start to sell more. I very much doubt people will get to the store thinking “hmm, PS4, XB1 or WiiU??”

    #57 9 months ago
  58. stretch215

    I think the wiiu will benefit in a year or two when it’s the cheapest console (by far, after a nice price cut) and it has more 1st party games. If that price cut is steep enough, I can see the wiiu selling extremely well as a “second” or “companion” console (as said by someone here). I know I’ll be grabbing one. Edit: #57 kinda beat me to it

    #58 9 months ago
  59. Cobra951

    The WiiU is finished, sadly. If the best they can come up with is a redo of Wind Waker, and even that doesn’t happen until after the holidays, I can’t see any possible good outcome. Pikmins are adorable, but they won’t move systems in high volume. The console desperately needs the equivalents of Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time, and that very soon, not years from now.

    #59 9 months ago
  60. stretch215

    @59 why would they need that “very soon”? It’s not like nintendo is going out of business, lol. They will be here in a year or two, like I said, and the wiiu will move units. Especially if the price cut is an extensive one.

    #60 9 months ago
  61. OrbitMonkey

    They need to be considered relevant as a home console again. By more than just nostalgic middle-aged men.

    #61 9 months ago
  62. OmegaSlayer

    The big problem here is what gamers think of Nintendo now.
    Will you acknowledged gamers buy a WiiU considering it might die in a couple of years?
    Would sellers with obvious limited space in stores stock WiiU after PS4/XB1 release?
    Would people that has no HD console yet buy an hardware with a guillable library when they can buy a PS3/360 that will surely get price-cuts?
    Would you put faith in Nintendo in an eventual next-gen?

    #62 9 months ago
  63. Clupula

    @60 – They need it soon because if they don’t, more and more retailers are going to be removing the system from shelves or, at the very least, cutting down on display space.

    If the Wii U finds itself in the little nook at Gamestop currently reserved for used PS2 titles, it’s not going to matter what titles come out for it, because no one will know they’re out.

    #63 9 months ago
  64. sebastien rivas

    @ 62
    I agree with you, Nintendo went a bit too far into niching itself.
    My daughter loved Wii, she likes 3ds but does not want to buy games for either nor get a wiiU. I just learned what a wiiU is in the past few days. Prior this, I though it was an expensive remote for the wii :/

    Now Nintendo is not going to die and I appreciate the fact they don’t want to race in next gen wars, yet, too many titles in same age group and it is like bleeding yourself to death whether you like it or not. I assume that is what happened for my daughter, just too much green peas for too long and now she cannot find any interrest because the flavor is gone.

    #64 9 months ago
  65. polygem

    @OG: “I think, instead, that the next Gameboy could come with a HDMI Mini to HDMI, hooking into your TV and double as a handheld and console.”

    wow, that would actually be awesome…it would fit nintendo very well and i would personally embrace that idea. it could actually be good for them to focus on one system and it would be good for the consumer too because there´s no need to buy another expensive piece of hardware to get your nintendo fix. considering that portable hardware has already become very powerfull these days it could really become a reality in the next few years and it could even be an impressive device technically…man, you really made me dream about that now. it would be so great! you know, i really think it´s a realistic thought.

    #65 9 months ago
  66. darthroseman

    Guys, guys, there must be a mistake. The commenters on the internets say Nintendo is dead, but this says they have made a profit. Clearly an error, unless commenters arent basing their claims on any actual fact, which I find highly unlikely.

    #66 9 months ago
  67. OlderGamer

    I think that is where the entire industry is going to go in the future Poly. It will likely be the merging point of media. Add in cloud support, service plans, games, movies, music, phone, social..sort of mega tablets/pocket PCs. All sort of generic devices. It isn’t the hardware that matters, but the services your subscribe to. Prolly have full keyboards and mouse support, control pad support, all wireless.

    I figure we are a long ways from that still.

    But I could see consoles evolve into handhelds that hook up to the TV, function as controllers or just reg handhelds. in the near future. Maybe next gen.

    #67 9 months ago
  68. G1GAHURTZ

    https://twitter.com/kazhiraiceo/status/362625121262903296

    #68 9 months ago
  69. monkeygourmet

    It’s very easy to tell who the whiney little bitches are on here.

    Just go to most 3DS articles and check the comments.

    The 3DS was considered underpowered (compared to Vita) with no games and a childish device.

    Now it’s considered the finest console on the market by many and is selling an absolute shit ton.

    Ultimatly, fanboys are happy to slag something off when it’s finding it’s feet, and then are nowhere to be seen when it’s doing well.

    Check out any 3DS article on here, barely any Sony / MS fanboys around…
    (I guess the turnaround success story still gets stuck in their throats…)

    Then look at posters like @Poly / OG, happy to post positive comments on a game if it deserves it…

    Just look at the Ace Attorney thread:

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/31/ace-attorney-dual-destinies-bests-dragon%E2%80%99s-crown-on-media-create-charts/#comments

    #69 9 months ago
  70. Lengendaryboss

    @69
    All i see are two people having debate on which platform is more successful for games: consoles or handhelds: i don’t see anyone bashing Nintendo.

    Edit: At best its bashing a certain someone’s opinion of Wii U.

    #70 9 months ago
  71. Sini

    I support nintendo by not buying their console and hasten their transition into a third party developers, where they will make more money than god

    #71 9 months ago
  72. Cobra951

    @60: Clupula’s answer (#63) is exactly right. Compelling 1st-party games are needed to save the system, not to save Nintendo. They’ll be fine even if the WiiU dies quickly. But that would be a shame, particularly to those who trusted Nintendo, and bought into it.

    #72 9 months ago
  73. OrbitMonkey

    Not bashing Nintendo. I simply believe the Wii was their last throw of the dice, regarding home console’s & they were as surprised as anyone at its success.

    A success they were not prepared for, or ready to capitalise on.

    #73 9 months ago
  74. monkeygourmet

    @70

    I meant more about Poly being able to come in, talk about a Vita / PS3 game in a thread regarding a 3DS game topping the charts and not come off like asshole or start worrying about ‘numbers’…

    EDIT

    If the Wii U ends up with 20 plus fantastic exclusives (well on the way) and is £100 – £149 but has sold less units than anticipated, will people be still saying:

    ‘derp derp, well, I like those games but I’m not buying one because it hasn’t sold well enough derp…’

    Or will they snap one up because they enjoy playing games full stop?

    Unfortunalty I think it’ll be the former, ’cause people seem to like to cut off their nose to spite their face when they are undercover fanboys…

    @75

    ;)

    #74 9 months ago
  75. Lengendaryboss

    @74
    http://alright-okay.com/item/5126de7ce4b0d6185f3fe060?format=1500w

    #75 9 months ago
  76. Dragon246

    Waiting for tomorrow for chameleons to change colour… again.

    #76 9 months ago
  77. OrbitMonkey

    Undercover fanboys! !

    Everywhere! !!

    *Runs away screaming*

    #77 9 months ago
  78. Lengendaryboss

    http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Boy-That-Escalated-Quickly-Anchorman.gif

    #78 9 months ago
  79. Dragon246

    @77,
    And alt-accounts, SDF, PDF, NDF, MDF, DDF and so on.
    Keyboard Warriors UNITE :D

    #79 9 months ago
  80. OrbitMonkey

    ^ No! Not the alt accounts! !

    *Flaps arms in panic*

    #80 9 months ago
  81. monkeygourmet

    @79

    Nice to see you back, how was your French exchange trip?

    You must be happy now school has broken up!

    #81 9 months ago
  82. Lengendaryboss

    @81
    Oh rapture, il vous a, that is french for “oh snap he got you.” ;)

    Google translate might be dodgy.

    Edit: Now applies to both of you.

    #82 9 months ago
  83. Dragon246

    @81,
    Uh, nope. I just went to teach some monkeys make some gourmet food.
    I should have known better.
    Thank you for asking. It was very awfully nice of you.
    ….

    D246

    @80,
    Its the CONSOLE WAARRZZZZ!

    @82,
    Pfft. Please. Allow me to enjoy some late night drama before I go to sleep :D

    #83 9 months ago
  84. polygem

    @monkey:

    yea, these fanboy wars are making me so sick. no problem with fights and heated discussions but it just makes no sense to discuss things with people who aren´t fans of games but of platforms…but there´s nothing you can do about it. i started to ignore. helps.

    plus: dragon is back, no offense but it really shows…unfortunately. same stuff over and over and over and over and over again.

    #84 9 months ago
  85. monkeygourmet

    @84

    It’s school holidays. It was the same last year, he gets all worked up over his exams then vents once they’ve finished with a nice bowl of Sony statistics.

    Also:

    ‘but it just makes no sense to discuss things with people who aren´t fans of games but of platforms’

    This is very true.

    And I firmly believe it wouldn’t matter what Nintendo did, there are a fair few closet fanboys on here that wouldn’t buy their systems or play Nintendo games no matter what they did or games they announced.

    People had already decided what systems they were going for waaaaaaay before they were announced.

    #85 9 months ago
  86. polygem

    Y O !

    #86 9 months ago
  87. Alernet

    If Nintendo can make the 3DS super profitable then they can certainly make Wii U sell just as good once the games come out this fall/winter.

    Notice that Nintendo is actually fine financially despite poor Wii U sales. Nintendo is gonna be fine. Wii U has so much potential.

    #87 9 months ago
  88. Lengendaryboss

    @Polygem
    Interesting that reminds me of something someone said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIfXdtml2gU

    Far Cry 3, really love that game.

    That is the definition of insanity, not directly/indirectly calling anyone insane.

    ;) :) :P :D

    #88 9 months ago
  89. Dragon246

    Heh, getting lectured from a guy who feels he is important enough that multi-billion dollar company like MS would like to spy on him and his gf in their bedroom.
    Thats weird, OCD much?

    Unfortunately for monkeys, here are facts-
    MS>>>>>Sony>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ninty
    Always.

    Keep dreaming.

    #89 9 months ago
  90. polygem

    “Heh, getting lectured from a guy who feels he is important enough that multi-billion dollar company like MS would like to spy on him and his gf in their bedroom.”

    noone EVER said that. you are putting words into peoples mouths. it might be your nasty little fantasy but noone in this thread said anything like that…never.

    if you cannot understand: what you just did there is offensive. even more so than telling someone directly that he´s an ass.

    it´s exactly this behaviour that really makes you a liar, a backstabbing troll, an internet bully and an embarassing clown at the same time.

    you´re ruining this page with this bullshit…

    #90 9 months ago
  91. monkeygourmet

    @90

    He just uses people for his closet fanboy cause.

    As soon as he spots a Sony fanboy in a thread arguing with someone like Franis O for example, he latches on and helps stir things up.

    Then, when he’s had his fun trolling and he’s got what he wants out of someone he moves onto the next chump.

    Oh, I forgot the best bit. If things get tough, he goes running to teacher calling ‘foul play’…

    It’s nice to see his attitude has changed after his departure… :/

    #91 9 months ago
  92. polygem

    i think this isn´t tolerable.
    nothing you can do about it it seems.
    guy can run wild spreading lies as much as he likes.
    what a shame.

    #92 9 months ago
  93. Dragon246

    http://goo.gl/8KAqVq

    Sums up pretty well. Enjoy your thread.

    #93 9 months ago
  94. polygem

    those are cute :)

    #94 9 months ago