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Dragon’s Crown reviews hit, get the scores here

Wednesday, 31st July 2013 21:21 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Dragon’s Crown reviews have started landing online, and we’ve got a few listed for you below.

The lovely looking Vanillaware title isn’t expected in North America until August 6, but you can get an idea of what critics think of it a few days early.

Slated for PS3 and Vita, fans in Europe will get it later this year.

PS3

Game Informer – 8
Destructoid – 9.5
IGN – 8.5
Polygon – 6.5
Joystiq – 4.5/5
GamesBeat – 9
Meristation (Spain) – 9.2
Kotaku – “Yes”
PlayStation Universe – 9
The Escapist – 6
Digital Spy – 8
RPG Gamer – 8
Dark Station – 8
RPGfan – 8.5
PlayStation Lifesytle – 9
Gaming Nexus – 9.5
The Gamer’s Hub – 4.5/5

Vita

Pocket Gamer – 9
Game Revolution – 4.5/5
RPGfan – 8.8

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  1. wildBoar

    Eurogamer has been pushing the “feminist perspective” pretty hard recently, I hope they know what they’re doing with this one..

    #1 9 months ago
  2. monkeygourmet

    Wow, that’s very high from Destructoid! O_o

    Very much looking forward to this. Can anyone who has played it tell me what the ‘hit detection’ is like? Do the characters feel ‘solid’ or like cardboard cut outs, like in Castle Crashers for example?

    #2 9 months ago
  3. monkeygourmet

    @1

    Probably criticise it, then secretly have a wank about it, then feel guilty and have a shower.

    #3 9 months ago
  4. pilotpsk

    http://www.newgamernation.com/its-okay-to-be-king-dragons-crown-review/

    6.5 / 10

    #4 9 months ago
  5. marijnlems

    @1 and @3 I hope they give it to Ellie Gibson. She’d have a field day. In the meantime we have Danielle Riendeau’s balanced perspective over on Polygon.

    #5 9 months ago
  6. Stephany Nunneley

    @5 Plus it would be hilarious.

    #6 9 months ago
  7. lexph3re

    Escapist video review….Really? Questionable Taste? You can’t tell me you find the games design that distracting

    #7 9 months ago
  8. monkeygourmet

    Also, can you get loot and items in this that actually effect how your character looks?

    Or is it just like Diablo 3 / Castlevania DS. For example, stats change with no visible difference on characters clothing / weapons?

    #8 9 months ago
  9. Lengendaryboss

    This game did better than i expected in reviews, although there are a few off eggs in there ;)

    #9 9 months ago
  10. Ireland Michael

    @7 Its insanely distracting, to the point of being hideous and repulsive to look at. Myself personally, it’s the sole reason I don’t intend to ever touch the game.

    #10 9 months ago
  11. marijnlems

    @5 Exactly! Everything she does is comic gold.

    #11 9 months ago
  12. pandulce1

    #10 Ireland Michael

    “hideous and repulsive to look at” Oh please,… you better not go to a beach. The art in this game is absolutely gorgeous. Some characters might be a bit disproportionate, but it looks fantastic none the less. A lot of care seems to have gone into this game and I hope it sells well.

    #12 9 months ago
  13. OlderGamer

    On my list, a nice reason to turn the PS3 on.

    #13 9 months ago
  14. Sini

    this game is fantastic, probably the best golden axe type game since ever. Had the japanese version for a few days now, crazy good. If moment of weakness happens next week I might just pick up vita to play it on the go.

    #14 9 months ago
  15. FeaturePreacher

    Quite easy to see from the scores the people who liked the game and the chicks looking for a chance to be a victim.

    #15 9 months ago
  16. Ireland Michael

    @12 Please spare the “prude” insinuation. This has nothing to do with the amount of skin showing.

    “…a bit disproportionate…”

    This is far from “a bit” disproportionate. http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/DragonsCrown/amazoni______a____________i_______psd_jpgcopy.jpg

    I find nothing “gorgeous” about the artwork, because I’m so utterly put off by the obscene dysmorphia of the character models and artwork. I find it discomforting just to look at it. It’s practically monstrous.

    @15 Or simply “the chicks” rightly disgusted by the gross dysmorphia of their gender presented in the game. Not that the men are treated much better, mind you.

    #16 9 months ago
  17. MegaGeek1

    @15 – OMG, relax big guy.

    Incidentally, thanks for the picture. Think I’ll go rub one out now.

    #17 9 months ago
  18. YoungZer0

    Ugh, here we go again. Let it go people, nobody is forcing you to play it.

    #18 9 months ago
  19. FeaturePreacher

    @17
    Just saying it’s easy to tell that’s all. But I guess that’s the difference between lady reviewers and other reviewers. Ladies are there to get selectively angry at games with attractive ladies in them while other reviewers just review the game on its merits. Just wait for Soul Calibur 6 to get released to watch this predictable crap happen again.

    #19 9 months ago
  20. Ireland Michael

    @19 “Lady reviewers…”

    Wow…

    Trust me buddy, this has nothing to do with some supposed female jealousy. That’s a pretty damn broad generalisation of an entire gender there.

    #20 9 months ago
  21. pandulce1

    #19 Feature Preacher

    Precisely.

    #21 9 months ago
  22. lexph3re

    @20 not much of a generalization when the 2 lowest scores so far are from women focused more on the women then the actual game. In polygons reviews she practically pwns the game for being a game which in all reality makes pretty much 0 sense

    #22 9 months ago
  23. Ireland Michael

    @22 That says far more about the shortsightedness of the men than anything else.

    #23 9 months ago
  24. wildBoar

    It’s an art style, not a statement. This whole thing that’s been going on is starting to remind of the Mohammad cartoon, someone drew a pair of gigantic tits on a cartoonish character in THEIR game, whoop de doo.
    I can understand that it doesn’t suit everyone’s tastes, neither should it have to, but to get angry or offended by it? Just dumb, end of story.
    I’m gonna go scream at people in Twilight forums now. Cya.

    #24 9 months ago
  25. YoungZer0

    @23: It doesn’t. If they don’t have a problem with the art-style then they don’t have a problem with it. They are not short-sighted because of that. They just don’t care. A lot of reviewers don’t mention the soundtracks of certain games, are they shortsighted because of that? No. They just don’t care and I can respect that.

    Can you?

    #25 9 months ago
  26. Ireland Michael

    @24 I’m not “offended” by it. I just find it repulsive to look at.

    @25 I can respect that *they* don’t care, sure.

    They’re not me.

    #26 9 months ago
  27. lexph3re

    Considering a group of girls I know have said they love the art style and can’t wait to play the game regardless of the exaggerated cleavage. I think the people being short sighted are the ones that focus ONLY on the appearance of select things.

    #27 9 months ago
  28. Ireland Michael

    @27 Lord forbid different people within the same subgroup has different opinions.

    #28 9 months ago
  29. lexph3re

    No ones saying no one can have a differing opinion. But, considering you have people butchering this games score for something so trivial and practically negating the core concept. It would be identical to if people said they hated the core of Mario because he saved a prince instead of a princess.

    #29 9 months ago
  30. YoungZer0

    @28: I wonder if you’d have the same opinion about those reviewers if they would’ve taken points away from a videogame because there was violence in it?

    #30 9 months ago
  31. Ireland Michael

    @29 The whole point of a review is judging something based on what the writer considers its positive and negative qualities. The artistic design of the entire game is hardly trivial, and these particular reviewers happen to think its negative enough to detract from the overall quality of the game.

    We should be commending people for having vastly different views, not criticising them now. I happen to agree with the negative views, but that doesn’t mean I think the high scores are “wrong” either. They just view it differently.

    @30 If the violence was unnesecarry and added nothing to the experience of the game? Sure.

    As an example, its one of the (numerous) reasons I think the God of War games are terrible – it’s violence is juvenile, and graphic purely for the sake of being graphic. God of War 3′s flesh ripping, muscle tearing death moves were so violently unappealing to me that it made me feel physically ill to my stomach.

    In the end, it added nothing positive to the overall experience of the game. Much like I think the hideously deformed body shapes of the characters in this game add nothing positive to it.

    #31 9 months ago
  32. manamana

    Okay, the bodys are disproportioned. Male and female. some might be offended by it, some not. But as a matter of fact, the game has amazing 2D artwork. Amazing. And we even haven’t touched gameplay yet.

    #32 9 months ago
  33. Dragon246

    While I respect differing opinions on a game, giving a game a lesser score just cuz it had “proportions” that the reviewer had a bone to pick with sounds like the feminist crap which is as annoying as those PETA campaigns.
    Now, can someone deduct some points from all shooters for showing gore, AC for whale hunting, Mario for tanooki suits, and virtually every game ever for such things?
    Its amazing how some sites are filled with “LOL JAPAN” comments on pages of games like this, when they will move along to play some shooters.
    Difference in culture guys, if you cant take it, just look the other way.

    And the game just looks beautiful with those art. I cant think of a western game as beautiful as this made up of only $1million.

    #33 9 months ago
  34. fihar

    A beautiful painting of say, someone tearing the pages off a Bible/Qoran, is still a painting of someone tearing the pages off a Bible/Qoran.
    Should we gave it a pass just because it’s somehow better than a Rembrandt?

    Michael’s viewpoint is harsh, but fair. I don’t agree with him but I can see where he’s coming from.
    You guys can’t berate him for having a modicum of integrity.

    This is DmC all over again.

    #34 9 months ago
  35. OlderGamer

    The thing is to dismiss someones review or even point of view simply because they are female(said reviewers), is to say that without a doubt it is understandably justifiable that they should have that pov because after all they are female. Follow me?

    I mean to say, that if you can say that their reviews are bias because they are female, you are admitting that said art style is offensive to the majority of women. Or at the very lest, the ones doing the reviews in question. I think there is credence there. There is also a game that looks like it will play great and be fun to play. A kind of game that not only do I enjoy, but one that we so infrequently see released that I am willing to look beyond the said art work in order to play it.

    I agree it is beyond stupid looking.

    While some might call it charm, I have to ask myself, wouldn’t a less misshapen art style also have played the same way? So, other then cause a ruckus and garner excess attention for itself, what was the purpose behind the style to begin with?

    Is it that big a of a deal?

    No, I don’t think so.

    Is it going to turn off some gamers to the game(male and female)? Yes, I think so.

    #35 9 months ago
  36. Ireland Michael

    @34 Thank you. I appreciate that. I’d like to think I do.

    Of course, the argument could be made that the painting of someone tearing a page from the bible is a work of art… and it technically is. The question is whether its *good* art.

    I won’t deny the artwork of Dragon’s Crown, on a purely technical level, is superb. Creatively? Not so much. It’s derivative, uninspired, and realises on lazy titilation. I find the artwork of a game like Dust: An Elysian Tail far more pleasing to the eye.

    @35 The easiest way for many people to establish the worth of their own opinion is to resort to attacking the character of the person with the conflicting opinion. It’s far easier to undermine the integrity of another’s right to an opinion than it is to argue the validity (or lack thereof), of it.

    By painting the other person in a negative light, it’s elevates your opinion above there’s… if you’re above them in character, surely your opinion is above their inferiority as well?

    Criticise the logic of someone’s reasoning, not their personality. The moment you start doing so, you’ve already lost the argument.

    t’s why I respect your posts a lot here. You stick to the topic, and don’t resort to cheap arguments or constantly insulting people who don’t agree with you.

    #36 9 months ago
  37. Vice

    Now port it to PC, I wanna check it out. …For science.

    >.>

    #37 9 months ago
  38. polygem

    i like the visuals of this game in general but i would have prefered a different character design as well. i can even understand if a review score is influenced by it. it can easily be seen as offensive and it should be called out like that in a review if you feel offended by the game while you´re playing it. it should show in the scores as well then, sure. totally legit imo. if you cannot get over things like that it could easily ruin the whole fun for you and that what makes a 9 game turn into a 6 game.
    to me it looks like a quality game with some controversial art design.
    i will buy and play it but to me it has a bitter aftertaste as well…

    #38 9 months ago
  39. redwood

    @ireland Michael why you no like boobies! :P. Just kidding….. But that”s interesting because I fund dust’s artwork rather bland… It doesn’t have the sexualization of dragon ‘ s crown but it’ not as well done as say bastion. Now that’s a pretty game :) but all in all it’s your choice buddy..I probably won’t be plating the game either for pretty much the sane reasons as you. Cheeers!

    #39 9 months ago
  40. redwood

    But I still like the sorceress .<3

    #40 9 months ago
  41. lexph3re

    Funny that the fact that I am stating their lower scores as obvious agendas bring looked at as “elevating own personal opinion”. When in fact it’s pointing out a clear agenda against said game. When you have a game that averages in the high 8′s and someone under cuts it 2 or 3 points on a small part of presentation? That’s just ridiculous and I call it as it is.

    The system is running from a 10 point system typically. If I were to see the art of bible tearing the offensiveness aside analyzing it for what the artist is trying to depict. I could still find an appreciation towards said vision. The overly done art style of this game based on dragons mind you is clearly not made to be taken seriously. Due to the proportions of ALL characters, the built like a house guy with 0 waist (besides the art of women) is of course obvious of that.

    I stand by the fact that the 2 reviews given by the women were in fact subjective and agenda based. Which is no different then people who find the PETA rants or anti homo erotic shepards in mass effect to be pointlessly agenda based.

    #41 9 months ago
  42. Ireland Michael

    @43 I would (and have) score down a game if its full of bland, beefcakr macho men with no real personality or identity, because its uninspired and unoriginal. As a man, I find these kinds of characters insulting and misrepresentative of men in general. The difference is that many men *want* that power fantasy.

    Women have every right to do the same, and actually *being* the gender in question gives them more right, not less. Most women don’t want the image their gender is often painted in because they are regularly *treated* just like men these drawings. If someone think they’re not, they need to take their head out of the sand.

    They have a right to be uncomfortable with that sort of portrayal.

    #42 9 months ago
  43. lexph3re

    Would you and others liked it if they kept the Amazonian more politically correct like this?

    http://www.menspsychology.com/sites/default/files/amazon.jpg

    Perhaps the Sorceress that depicts not only empowerment but sex appeal. A standard seen for generations should look more like the wicked witch with the green face and shrouded body?

    Edit: A quick search on Sorceresses both eastern and western https://www.google.com/search?q=Sorceress&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.dmg,pv.xjs.s.en_US.seW1cfrvSKg.O&biw=755&bih=741&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=1HL6Uc6EK_a-4AP054HYDQ

    This isn’t some crippling portrayal of women that hasn’t been embarrassed. The style is what it is, sure if you don’t have the stomach for it that’s great. But, to make an agenda out of it? That is again pointless and petty.

    #43 9 months ago
  44. Ireland Michael

    @43 Its called personal taste, mate.

    At no point did I say the game shouldn’t exist, or should be censored, or changed, or banned, or anything of the short. It’s a simpe critical,assessment, nothing more.

    Nobody is making an “agenda” of it. Did people ever read the Polygon review? Most of it isn’t even about the portrayal of women. The biggest, main compliant is about game’s repetitive nature, not the fact that it has vastly over exaggerated breasts and overtly sexualised NPCs all over the place.

    Heck, even the guys at Atlus supported the review…

    #44 9 months ago
  45. lexph3re

    Watched the Video Reviews of the women. And their main points were in fact about the presentation of the women. Also, What game isn’t repetitious? Like seriously? All games are repetitious especially RPGS, Shooters, and action games. I honestly can never justify repetition being a flaw in a game because that is all games.

    #45 9 months ago
  46. Ireland Michael

    @5 Even if the video review did, that still doesn’t invalidate their right to consider it a negative attribute of the game.

    Here’s the difference…

    The muscle bound beefcake is targeted at a male power fantasy. The over sexualised sorceress with the giant breasts that literally swing around when she runs? Also targeted at a male fantasy.

    That’s fine, if that’s what you like. Just don’t pretend it’s anything but. And don’t be surprised if a lot of women find it offensive. They have a valid reason to.

    As for repetition… good games keep the gameplay expanding and evolving over the course of the experience. Especially a good RPG. Obviously this particular reviewer felt the degree of repetition was counterproductive to the overall game.

    #46 9 months ago
  47. Sylrissa

    You (and others) can personally dislike the games artstyle all you want, just as I can’t stand modern military shooters, that is down to personal taste.

    But will you please stop talking for my entire gender, will there be plenty of women that dislike this game?, probably, but that is their choice, there are also many that don’t find this art style disgusting or offensive, myself included.

    #47 9 months ago
  48. pandulce1

    #43 lexph3re
    Your post is golden. Well done.

    #48 9 months ago
  49. Ireland Michael

    @47 I never said all women. There’s always exceptions.

    #49 9 months ago
  50. OrbitMonkey

    If women could magically alter their bodies, I doubt there’d be a C cup in sight!

    In that respect I imagine the sorceress is very true to life :)

    #50 9 months ago
  51. wildBoar

    @Ireland Micheal. So like you said before ” I can respect that *they* don’t care, sure.”
    “They’re not me.”
    So you can respect that others feel differently than you then. Then what are you even doing here? We’ve already seen hundreds of forum posts and articles on this subject already, it’s been well established that some people feel this way. Bringing it back up, adds nothing new to the discussion, so unless you feel that others are somehow wrong for feeling differently than you, or that we for some reason should need to hear why you dislike this thing some enjoy, why would you care about what we talk about here? This is a Dragon’s Crown article, when you’ve admitted it’s a difference of taste and opinion: “Lord forbid different people within the same subgroup has different opinions.”

    All it boils down to is you saying “I dislike this, I think this and this is bad.” Of course the others will disagree with you because they feel you’ve offended the thing that they like, but they shouldn’t even have to, it’s just your opinion, and it’s a needless discussion entirely created because you wanted it. No one’s going to change their minds here, it’s just nedless venting and frustration over nothing petty squabbles of opinion and ego.

    The art of Dragon’s Crown groces you out, that’s okay. Fact of the matter is, you still came to this article willingly, clearly, just to tell everyone how much you dislike it, while still admitting that others aren’t wrong for feeling differently.
    To me that’s quite conflicting indeed, and complaining about something being repulsive to you while clearly still chosing to engage it even more so.
    no one’s going to throw DC articles at you or copies of the game, and VG247 ofcourse has the right to write about it.
    Dragon’s Crown doesn’t pander to your tastes, I’m fine with that, we’re all fine with that, that’s the end of the discussion, unless you’re going to tell us we’re somehow wrong for having different tastes than you do.

    I can see you’re off on a tangent right now, but that doesn’t change the fact that this entire argument is purely created for ego-stroking, utterly pointless, and anyone who feels that their opinions are invalidated by anothers (or yours) needs to see they don’t need others to reaffirm their opinion. The same goes for needing to put down others opinions to reaffirm your own.

    #51 9 months ago
  52. Ireland Michael

    @51 Last time I checked, the whole point of a discussion section was… discussion.

    I know, mind blowing revelation.

    Lets discuss the actual topic of the game, instead of resorting to ad hominems. They’re irrelevant.

    At no point have I said the game shouldn’t be discussed, promoted or played though. Just because I don’t like someone doesn’t mean it should be censored.

    #52 9 months ago
  53. wildBoar

    @52 There’s no conclusion to be reached here when all you’ve saying is personal opinion. That’s once more just ego-stroking.
    You talk about hominems but you don’t adress any of my points either, I never said my response was going to take part in the argument, just about how pointless the nature of this argument is in itself.

    “At no point have I said the game shouldn’t be discussed, promoted or played though. Just because I don’t like someone doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be censored.”

    I assume you mean “should”, then what is it that you’re trying to achieve at all then? You’re clearly admitting there’s nothing inherently wrong about the game, all the while indulging this needless discussion about the themes of the game, which like you’ve admitted yourself, are subjective.
    The reason for your argumentation itself, seems rather non-existant or conflicted. The fact that your argumentation is just self-indulgent is quite transparent at this point.

    #53 9 months ago
  54. Ireland Michael

    @53 90% of your post was about me, and criticising my right to an opinion. I don’t waste my time with ad hominem. It’s irrelevant to the topic of the game.

    Everyone’s opinions is based on their own personal ego. The difference is how comfortably you can deal with other people’s ego clashing with your own, and how well you can accept a difference in opinion.

    You’re responding to tell me you think the nature of the discussion is pointless? Duly noted. I politely disagree.

    “You’re clearly admitting there’s nothing inherently wrong about the game.”

    I think there’s plenty inherently wrong with the game. People are free to think otherwise. That’s the cool thing about opinions.

    Everything is subjective, even absolute truths.

    #54 9 months ago
  55. Sylrissa

    But the discussion is concerning the art, and art is very subjective, just as taste in Music is, and as such entirely opinion.

    People are very much allowed to have different opinions, but I don’t see anything objectively wrong to have a discussion over, only personal likes or dislikes of the the very subjective art direction they choose to go with.

    #55 9 months ago
  56. Telepathic.Geometry

    I really wish the game didn’t have the typical Japanese sexualisation of women plastered all over it. It really puts me off… I have the same problem with anime and manga. :/

    #56 9 months ago
  57. wildBoar

    Like I’ve said before, all you’re left with is your opinion, which I’m fine with, you can think Dragon’s Crown is as shit as you want,
    but chosing to seek it out and complain about it because you feel differently, bating into tiresome discussions ( you can’t argue that you didn’t think you’d offend people tastes, really )while still pretending to respect difference of opinion, it doesn’t make you any better than all the fanboys constantly screaming at each other at this site.
    I don’t need anyone to feel differently about what I like and dislike however, I’ve pointed out what I wanted to point out. And personally, I’m just glad I don’t have to engage in this tiresome argument because of how other people feel. Far too tiresome for me.
    Personally I think your actions regarding the discussion plays into it, feel free to disagree. When someone drops into a thread just to tell people how they dislike something, I feel it’s obvious that it’s a completely pointless self-indulgent thing to do. But sure, like I said I don’t really care to get dragged into this. ( Also, I can’t believe you resorted to the “everything is subjective” out. I used to use that one when I was 14. It’s also a paradox.. )
    You can have last word and all that. All I know is I’ll be enjoying Dragon’s Crown in a weeks time and some of you aren’t, and some people feeling differently isn’t going to make me feel any differently about it. Have fun arguing.

    #57 9 months ago
  58. OlderGamer

    “All I know is I’ll be enjoying Dragon’s Crown in a weeks time and some of you aren’t, and some people feeling differently isn’t going to make me feel any differently about it. Have fun arguing.”

    Here is a thing tho.

    And THE thing:

    “…and some of you aren’t…”

    Indeed.

    In todays world of ultra graphics, the same intended artistic body of work has a different impact then it did in years past.

    If you take Dragons Crown and compare it to King of Dragons. You have very similar games both in gameplay and in game art. However King of Dragons in both arcades and on SNES couldn’t even come close to the graphic fidelity of DC.

    KoD wouldn’t likely turn off anyone. It wasn’t an issue.

    “…and some of you aren’t…”

    Exactly.

    To create a game that pokes and pushes at sexualization the way that DC does is, in my opinion … misguided at best. Reminds me of a lot of games. DoA comes to mind. And it isn’t just sex, violence(probably an even bigger issue, maybe more important issue) has the same problem. Again , on NES/SNES/MD you killed NPCs in games, but not in the long drawn out and graphic ways that todays games do. Your enemies just flashed, maybe fell down, and vanished.

    My concern, maybe because I am older, is that all of this has lead to a massive desensitization of sex and violence. And don’t fool yourself, it has an impact on youth. We have all read case studies and what not, and many of us will roll our eyes. But isn’t that sort of proof of what I am saying. If you are 30+ years old and think these issues are no big deal or normal..imagine a 12 year kid?

    Sort of a topic for another day, maybe. However I think it ties in, and I know I think of stuff like that when I see certain games. To dramaticly over sexualize this games art and protral was a clear cut choice. Could be a sign of the culture it came from. I would agree with that. I would also agree that with advancments in graphical capabilities the JP devs has little by little been making themselves irrelevant in the west. Remember the day when a high profile JP rpg would be a thing to mark on the calander, stay home for, and replay several times? I do. Now I can’t think of a high profile JRPG that has had tangible success. I am sure they are out there, but I can’t think of any big ones. For most people they are just too Japanese.

    The choice in DCs art design is an example of that. And it comes back to:

    “…and some of you aren’t…”

    …going to buy the game because it puts some people off. Which of course that would be an easy thing to have avoided by reigning it in a bit. Even ever so slightly.

    Pretty sure I will still buy the game. But I might turn a bit red if the wife walks in whilst playing. She won’t be impressed lol. Also to thos guys that claim all of their female friends like the games art(or other games, this subject isn’t new)…ever give thought that maybe those girls like you and don’t want to crap all over a hobey that you obviously are invested in and dedicated to? They could well be young and impressionable, just guessing of course. I can tell you that my wife would have no problem laughing in your face if you tried passing tuff like this off as ok/normal/acceptable.

    #58 9 months ago
  59. OlderGamer

    It isn’t a new subject of course. But I do think stuff like this holds the industry back. I think it has been holding the JP industry back in the west for awhile. It isn’t 1993 anymore. Would be nice if things could evolve and mature a bit. Speaking industrywide. I think to some degree it has. Hence why this game will be niche and not set the world on fire with sales.

    #59 9 months ago
  60. absolutezero

    No creative industry has ever “moved forward” by removing things that offended people.

    Punk offended people.

    #60 9 months ago
  61. Clupula

    @60 – Exactly. I always wonder why people who are offended by things like this don’t just go out and make their own art that better represents their values, instead of trying to take things away from the people that enjoy them.

    I’ve done a lot of my creative ventures because I thought stuff that was currently available sucked.

    I didn’t waste my time trying to prevent others from seeing/hearing them, instead. I gave them an alternative.

    #61 9 months ago
  62. Clupula

    Also to thos guys that claim all of their female friends like the games art(or other games, this subject isn’t new)…ever give thought that maybe those girls like you and don’t want to crap all over a hobey that you obviously are invested in and dedicated to?

    I find this argument to be the most sexist of all. To assume that all women feel one way, because that’s the way they’re “supposed to” and that any woman who claims otherwise is a liar. I’ve read this argument several times over the last few days and it’s a pretty disgusting attempt to say that women can’t think on their own, nor have their own opinions.

    #62 9 months ago
  63. OlderGamer

    Hmm, not sure where you fellas are coming from or what you are reading tbh.

    Ok lets tackle the arguments here:

    “No creative industry has ever “moved forward” by removing things that offended people.

    Punk offended people.”

    Right but not everything is punk. Just like not every movie is porn. There is a difference between moving an industry forward and trying to force it into an area that would represent the extremes of said industry. Punk didn’t get on the radio much and it didn’t dominate the charts. It was/is niche. Clearly there is a place for almost everything. Including games that push some peoples comfort levels.

    But you can’t expect the more extreme elements to find the same acceptance as more widely accepted representations. And that is why some movies, some music, some games find themselves the target of some people. And due to such reprecusions retail often adopts a less extreme selection to offer their customers. Walmart won’t stock porn, for example.

    Now I don’t feel that DC is that big of a deal. I still intend to purchase the game myself. But I can see the argument. And I am disappointed of the extreme measure the art style took.

    If the game doesn’t sell well, or has public backlash from female or male, I can understand that.

    It isn’t about one persons point of view being right or being wrong. And I am not attacking anyone or anything. Just pointing out that there is credence to the way some people are reacting and thinking about the game.

    As for Clupula, you have been here long enough to know that I don’t try and speak for anyone. I wouldn’t. I also wouldn’t claim to group everyone into one solid group. There are always exceptions to every rule.

    So to say that ALL Women don’t feel one way is just as bad to claim that all women Do feel a different way. I never assumed anything. But for posters to claim that all of their female friends think something is cool, clearly doesn’t represent ALL Females. I was suggesting that their could be reasons why, esp younger girls, wouldn’t express an opinion different then the one a guy that they looked upto has. Same reasons young girls giggle and laugh at every little joke, funny or not, a guy they like will tell.

    Clearly, however, said females could indeed have no problem with the game, the movie, whatever. Could also be that people tend to gravitate towards other people that share similar points of views. Meaning that indeed, all of your friends might be CoD junkies, for example. But all I was saying is that anyone stating that because all of their female friends see no problem with something like DC, doesn’t mean that all females everywhere feel the same way.

    Can’t have it both ways. Can’t accuse me of over generalizing while accepting someone elses over generalization simply because it reflects your point of view as well. Every one on this planet is a different person.

    But to think that DC doesn’t effect people, maybe even females more then males, is silly. Look at the said female reviewers that adjusted their reviews of said game. Pretty plan to see. You might not like their review, or understand why they feel that way(maybe you think they are making something out of nothing). But it was never the point of being right or wrong. It is an opinion, those can never be wrong. People can be misinformed and form an opinion based on false info. Clearly that wasn’t the case. The females reviewers played the game, reviewed the game, and gave the experience less value due to the sexualization in the games art style. You are free to have a different opinion.

    My entire point of posting was to ask aloud if going with such a style was a wise move in the first place? Wouldn’t the game have played the same way if they had toned it down? Did they understand they ran the risk of alientating some gamers. It is one thing to make a shooter, and accept that not everyone likes shooters, so some folks won’t be interested. It is another thing to create a game that pushes fans of the genera away due to a development/art style choice.

    The idea in most game releases is to sell as many copies as possible. I can’t think of too many chart topping games that set out to push limits and bounderies of socialy accepted norms and still sold millions and millions. By the very nature of a game like that it becomes niche at best.

    #63 9 months ago
  64. leon123

    http://www.geimaku.com/dragons-crown-review/15352/

    8/10

    #64 9 months ago