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Tropes vs Women in Video Games: Damsel in Distress part 2 live now

Wednesday, 29th May 2013 09:42 GMT By Dave Cook

Tropes vs Women in Video Games creator Anita Sarkeesian has published the second episode of her Damsel in Distress documentary, which explores the role of female characters in games as helpless captives.

You can also catch-up on episode one here:

Let us know what you think of the topics discussed below.

Thanks AGB.

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  1. ExOAte

    Ugh.. This women. Although she’s good at recognizing patterns and doing her duty as a feminist, she completely bypasses gaming demographics and human evolutionary nature.

    And it case GTA I guess she hasn’t figured out Rockstar parodies almost everything in that series.

    #1 11 months ago
  2. roadkill

    @1 “doing her duty as a feminist” Well said! :)

    edit: Oh and don’t expect her to understand too much from GTA. She’s one of those stupid women. You only have to look at her and you’ll see it. The eyebrows, the way she looks at the camera, the earrings, all these tell of how time much she spends on trying to look beautiful and how much time she spends on thinking.

    #2 11 months ago
  3. dizzygear

    When i played Ico i sure was outraged how the plot hinged on the disempowerment of Yorda. /sarcasm

    #3 11 months ago
  4. foofly

    I agree with her, but then again writing in games is usually pulp at best.

    #4 11 months ago
  5. MadFlavour

    Her eyebrows make me want to commit a hate crime.

    #5 11 months ago
  6. salarta

    @2: Because a person trying to look nice when she’s going to be watched by who knows how many people, especially thanks to sites like this one, is such a bad thing.

    I haven’t watched these videos, and I doubt I will, but judging her opinions and the nature of her cause based on the way she looks is pretty much proving the worthiness of her pursuing her cause. If she has to be attacked based on the way she looks rather than the points she makes, that’s a terrible kind of failure. And also pretty telling as to why certain games have managed to be taken as “good” and “successful” despite how many obviously horrible things they do.

    Yes, you can make SOME judgments about a person based on their appearance, but when you start claiming someone’s opinion doesn’t matter based on how they’re trying not to look like crap for the anywhere between a few hundred and a few million viewers, you’re going too far.

    #6 11 months ago
  7. Ireland Michael

    @1 She’s not “doing her duty as a feminist”, because all she does is take everything out of context and turns *everything* into an attack against women. She’s a straw feminist of the most extreme kind, and an insult to feminists in general.

    Most feminist simply want the same equal rights and respects for women as are given to men, and that’s a great thing. To make light of feminism in general just makes you a pig.

    #7 11 months ago
  8. Clupula

    @6 – Wait…so, you’re not even going to watch them, but you’re going to say that she’s doing a good job?

    How do you know?

    It doesn’t matter what she says or does, she’s a woman, so people will judge her on her looks. That has nothing to do with whether or not she proves her point.

    #8 11 months ago
  9. G1GAHURTZ

    It doesn’t matter what she says or does, she’s a woman, so people will judge her on her looks.

    Oooohh…

    Sexism.

    #9 11 months ago
  10. roadkill

    @6 There are different kinds of looking good you know.

    @7 Feminists do not want equal rights, they want more.
    Example: Male 1 to Male 2 in a game “Come on! move your ass faggot!” Male 2 to male 1 “Shut up you little cunt, I’m almost there!” and then they proceed to laughing like idiots and they are better friends. Now Male 1 to Female 1 “Come on you little bitch!” Female 1 to Male 1 “…” Female 1 starts crying that she’s not being respected or some shit like that and asks the Male 1′s leader to do something about it. You see what happened there was Male 1 treating Female 1 as Male 2′s equal, as any other gamer really. But females don’t want equality. So she complains/cries w/e b/s they can come up with.

    #10 11 months ago
  11. Ireland Michael

    @10 Mind blown.

    #11 11 months ago
  12. Clupula

    So, having watched it, I don’t think I will watch the third one. The first one, she had a lot of good points, even if many times she missed that the troupe itself was fairly timeless. This time, though, I think she really took things out of context. In fact, she dismissed the context several times.

    If someone’s girlfriend is turned into a hideous alien monster thing and there’s no way she can ever be turned back, why wouldn’t she ask to die? I know I’d certainly be asking to be killed. What’s the alternative? A life connected to some dead monster thing?

    For her to take that and compare it to domestic violence, I think, does a great disservice to women who have been abused. The context is incredibly important. And I say this as someone who did think Duke Nukem Forever was off-puttingly sexist.

    She is doing exactly as Michael said she is. She basically takes everything, completely out of context and turns it into an attack on women, even when it is not. That sort of thing creates “boy who cried wolf” syndrome, where actual attacks on women are dismissed.

    #12 11 months ago
  13. Cobra951

    @10: Your exposition is cringe-worthy, but your point is true. Militant feminists want more rights than men. Equality is no longer the goal, if it ever was. Political correctness is a very skewed doctrine. Women can commit all the literary atrocities against men that they want, and suffer no meaningful consequences. If men do the same to women, the consequences are severe–humiliation, loss of reputation, possibly even loss of employment. As a result, we have to sit here and take the kind of bullshit this rabid dog spews, and pretend we’re enlightened and can see the social justice in it.

    #13 11 months ago
  14. Clupula

    I think #10 actually makes my head hurt.

    #14 11 months ago
  15. Ireland Michael

    @12 Or as I tend to call it, “the girl who cried rape” syndrome.

    If you keep claiming you’re the victim all the time, nobody is going to believe you. It does a horrible disservice to women who actually *are* victims of horrible abuse, and there are many.

    The biggest problem with her countless examples is that any sort of weakness of any kind by a woman is seen as sexist by her. Weakness is a sign of any proper, genuine character, and frankly I think any character incapable of showing any weakness whatsoever is automatically a bad one.

    She did make one valid point though. Most video game stories are utter trash, though that’s not exactly a newsflash to anyone who has played video games for more than a week.

    #15 11 months ago
  16. Stephany Nunneley

    @2 Seriously? “You only have to look at her and you’ll see it. The eyebrows, the way she looks at the camera, the earrings, all these tell of how time much she spends on trying to look beautiful and how much time she spends on thinking.”

    I suppose it would have been more appropriate for her to look slovenly? God forbid someone wish to look nice. I know it’s “accepted” for people to walk around in public wearing dirty t-shirts or donning flip flops to dressy events or for men to go without shaving their necks for days on end – but not all of us feel that way. Some of us like to dress like we “care” about ourselves and how we present ourselves to others.

    Secondly, there is a big difference between being able to take the piss, give it back, laugh about it – and dealing with an immature prick online. Sadly, many don’t know the difference between playfully ribbing someone and stepping over the line with what they misconstrue as humor.

    And just because someone (a woman in this case) wants to be treated with respect doesn’t mean she is a roid raging feminist nazi. Don’t rationalize an entire group based on a few loud individuals.

    Finally, keep it nice on here. Seriously. We don’t want another 100+ page thread where all comments eventually turn into attacking other users – like these type of news posts tend to bring out in the community.

    #16 11 months ago
  17. Ireland Michael

    @16 Ewwww, neck beards.

    #17 11 months ago
  18. Clupula

    @16 – Oh my god, I never noticed he actually said, “How much time she spends on thinking.

    On thinking…

    Because thinking is…bad, I guess?

    #18 11 months ago
  19. salarta

    @8: Did I say anywhere that she was doing a good job? Defending someone’s right to speak their opinion, to not have it belittled by what should be inconsequential details to discussing her points, and supporting that she’s discussing something that needs to be discussed are VERY different from saying she’s doing a good job.

    I see in a later comment that you see the problem with that poster now, but for a bit there, you were defending someone that’s saying the points she made should be ignored because of the way she looks. He outright said “She’s one of those stupid women. You only have to look at her and you’ll see it.” He claimed that because Anita spent time making herself presentable, that means she somehow lost the ability to think in the process of doing so.

    @10: There are different kinds of looking good, but the kind of looking good you’re attacking as somehow being indicative of being “stupid” is the kind focused on looking good to make oneself presentable for a viewing audience. She’s not showing up near a high school in pasties and a thong, and even that wouldn’t in any way suggest she’s somehow guaranteed to be dumb.

    #19 11 months ago
  20. silkvg247

    Not a bad vid overall, though clutching at straws n some places like BL2. Sorry but if I can play a chick rescuing a chick (and sirens can only be female anyway) then I’m not seeing the issue.

    The last 4 minutes I’d say were the best part, which you should watch if you haven’t already. Basically both genders are generalised in way too many games and from my personal pov.. it isn’t insulting anymore.. it’s just fucking boring.

    #20 11 months ago
  21. roadkill

    @11 I know! I’m a fucking genius! One that most people hate. The in-your-face kind.

    @Clupula You’re a dumb-fuck! No wonder you’re missing my point. Sigh..

    @Steph and Salarta Mmm No! The amount of time she spent on making her eyebrows look like that or wearing those type of earrings (those are whorish earrings). These show that she’s not a gamer girl. A normal, cute, casual gamer girl doesn’t care that much about how she looks like. Because she knows that her real beauty lies inside. Who cares about looks anyway!? This one? She’s just a girl craving for attention and possibly trying to sell herself. And how better to do that choosing the perfect subject to talk about? “women in gaming”, or w/e. Now please, get your heads out of your arseholes, step back for a second and THINK for yourselves! You don’t need an IQ of 124 or training in psychology to read her. She is an easy to read this one.

    @13 Thank you!

    #21 11 months ago