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Tomodachi Collection: Nintendo patching out same-sex marriage – rumour

Monday, 13 May 2013 16:29 GMT By Dave Cook

Tomodachi Collection users have found that they can allow two male characters to tie the knot, but the feature doesn’t work with two female characters. As such, it seems Nintendo is now patching out same sex marriage in full.

Nintendo Life quite rightly marked this one as rumour as it’s based on a Google-Translated blog post over at Nintendo’s Japanese blog. So please do take this with a grain of salt for now.

Here’s a grab:

Note the line about human relationships. Nintendo Life also suggests that the same-sex marriages for males could be unintentional, and that Nintendo is now keen to remove the feature as a result. Either way, the feature has seen new gamers flock to the game, so it will be unfortunate if they’re then unable to do as they please.

We’ll have more on this one as it plays out.

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162 Comments

  1. The_Red

    Yeah, instead of adding the female-female marriage via a simple update, let’s remove it all together for all sexes. While I do understand that this is more of a bug that is being fixed, I can’t help but feel that Nintendo is mostly doing this because of the subject matter and how it might reflect on its “family friendly” image.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Fin

    Yerrr, tea needs to be banned for that.

    Don’t care if he’s trolling, I’ve had enough.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Kidbuu42

    It’s a glitch in a game that needs to be fixed. It probably causes more problems with the code than you realize. It’s not really about same sex marrige or any other social issues. Also, we now know theevilaires is a homophobe

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Sylrissa

    #3 Agreed, that kind of blatant hate shouldn’t be acceptable here.

    #4 If it’s a legitimate bug that is truly causing problems with the code, then by all means, i’m okay with them fixing it.

    Why can’t they just find out a offical way to enable it later on?.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. zinc

    I do like the way Tea can only bottle-up the stupid for so long :-P

    #5 2 years ago
  6. dreamcastnews

    @7 that’s your opinion and I for one, think you have every right to express it. Why should he be banned for simply saying something he doesn’t like?

    If he was being homophobic, he’d be saying some shit like ‘burn the lesbians’ or some slur like that, he isn’t so those who have a problem with members expressing a view, get the fuck over yourselves and stop contributing to this stupid nanny society we live in today.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. The_Red

    @8
    I do agree that he is entitled to his opinion BUT he didn’t just say he doesn’t like lesbians or doesn’t care or disagrees with their beliefs. He said and I quote:

    “No one gives a shit about you ugly ass broads. Wow you don’t need penis in your life (which is B$) and you know what you both like cause you’re females. Congradufuckingalations no one cares about you pushing gay right statement because 90% of you are forced to be gay because theres more women on this planet than guys and we rather focus on better things.”

    That is the definition of offensive and insulting talk targeted at others. Even as a troll post, those words unacceptable to me though I’m not a mod or judge. It’s just… sad.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. dreamcastnews

    @9 hmmm yeah, it’s certainly strong. This is half the problem with this site in general I find though. People take to the keys to talk about what they dislike and it soon becomes a heated rant that’s very close to a hate campaign. I guess I’m not surprised by his outburst as it’s commonplace for things to get out of control on VG247 – even Eurogamer has a more balanced comment system that at least can be downvoted should you not want to see a particular post or would rather give approval without getting into a silly ‘my console has a bigger cock’ argument.

    But yeah, it’s very close to the knuckle. But still his view, many are too scared to post what they think on this so at the very least it’s brave.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Sylrissa

    #10 “or turn lesbo during their life” And that is where you are flat out wrong, you’re assuming that being gay or lesbian is a choice, and one day a woman just goes “welp, I like girls now” when that couldn’t be further from the truth, and just goes to show how misinformed you are.

    I could go on about my own personal experiences, but unlike you, I’m not going to use small anecdotal evidence that isn’t valid to be used as fact.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Clupula

    @2 – Honestly, dude, it sounds like you were into some woman. She was into women and turned you down, and now you’re bitter. Actually, it sounds like it has happened more than once with how much it seems to upset you that some women wouldn’t be into you.

    I called Francis out when he was pulling this and I think it’s fucked up that you’re spewing this sort of shit here. Just as I said with him, I don’t think that sort of thing really has a place here.

    And Francis has pretty much been my punching bag the whole time he’s been here, while you and I have agreed on a lot of things. But this is caveman talk. This is the sort of hateful misinformed bullshit that should have gone the way of Jim Crow laws by now.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Sylrissa

    #14 Well said, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case, it wouldn’t be the first time someone has lashed out like that.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. dreamcastnews

    I think in such a cushioned society, for you to say those things is certainly respected by me in a strange way, I agree it did go a little less-focused half way through but if you want to say something on your mind about the subject matter- why can’t you? It’s a democracy not dictatorship and you’ve expressed an opinion that sure others may take an instant dislike to, but we don’t all fall in line in life and do and feel different things towards situations – you get my respect for daring to be different, you aren’t homophobic – you just have a view.

    Just, go easy on Nintendo ;)

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Clupula

    Oddly, the other big homophobe on this site is Nintendo’s biggest defender.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. dreamcastnews

    @17 who?

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Clupula

    @18 – Francis was all acting like a 14 year old on Xbox Live a couple nights ago. I mean, hey, if he wants to imply that me and Legendaryboss get it on, that’s one thing, but he was all being really nasty about it and saying some fairly hateful shit about gay people in general.

    I’m fairly confident in my ability to get women, so calling me gay doesn’t bother me. It’s not an insult. Kinda wish I could be into guys too, so I could have twice the sex, but just not into it. But, I’ve always been really supportive of my gay and lesbian friends. And for him to be all making Brokeback Mountain jokes and shit was really inappropriate.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. dreamcastnews

    @18 that’s fair enough, there is a line between joke and just plain idiocy. I don’t think theevilaires is -too- over the line although some of the comments are close to the danger zone for sure.

    You’ve got Francis on XBL?! I thought you guys didn’t see eye to eye? You’re always fighting ;)

    I personally don’t have a problem with same gender shenanigans, but I don’t really have a problem with folk expressing a different view either, it’s a catch 22 really.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. Clupula

    @20 – Did you just whip out the Werner Wolfcastle “Maybe you all are homosexuals” defense? You gotta just be trolling right now. There’s no other explanation.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Clupula

    @21 – No no. I don’t even have a 360. I’m saying he sounded like your average 14 year old on XBox Live.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Richenbaum

    @22 seriously, when is he not?

    #19 2 years ago
  20. Clupula

    @21 – Honestly, if he had just said, “Fuck that shit. Good for Nintendo. It’s a kid’s game. If I had kids, I wouldn’t want them learning about that sort of thing,” I’d think it was an ignorant opinion, but one that can, at least, be debated. His whole, “Bitches can’t ride this, so they turn gay” rant was basically just sad, ill-informed ignorance that doesn’t really belong anywhere that adults attempt to have intelligent discussions.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. Richenbaum

    @25 that’s how trolling works. and the more offended you act and attention you draw to him the more you are giving him exactly what he wants.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. zinc

    “I’m a realist”… Used by the type of peeps who start sentences with “I’m not a racist, but…” or “I don’t mean to offend, but…”

    :-P

    #22 2 years ago
  23. Beta

    Dear God.. Homophobic trolling galore in this comment section. I can actually feel my iq melting away. :P

    In any case, it was a glitch and if Nintendo patched it because it was screwing with other code then fine.

    But if it was removed for the disappointingly predictable reason of keeping Nintendo’s family friendly image then I’m not impressed.

    @28 + 10

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Fin

    Soooo, tea’s homophobic ranting gets a free pass?

    Pretty sure I say Dave saying he would ban people for hate speech before, no?

    #24 2 years ago
  25. Sylrissa

    Seems that way. and I remember reading the same previously.

    #25 2 years ago
  26. Dave Cook

    @30 Yeah but I can’t be here 24 hours a day though, I finished work almost five hours ago.

    I’ll have a chat with Pat about this issue in the morning.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. Fin

    @32

    No worries man, just as long as you’re aware is all! Don’t mean to be hassling :)

    #27 2 years ago
  28. Dave Cook

    @33 I know you weren’t :)

    I agree with you guys on this for sure. It’s not on.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. lexph3re

    Come on now guy. This dude wasn’t spreading hate he said what he felt. You can’t tell me he deserves a ban when you guys kept him going on the topic. If you didn’t like it tell him what he said that offended you and ask him to be more understanding. Why go about acting like he is prolonging the subject more?

    You guys were just waiting for this to exploit an individual quarrel that you already had with TEA from post you didn’t like before.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. Fin

    “I meant no hate in terms of prejudice”

    “I must say I hate lesbians”

    /eyeroll

    #30 2 years ago
  31. Brenna Hillier

    I just banned theevilaires, which means this comment thread now makes little sense. Sorry about that.

    I don’t want to derail with yet another conversation about acceptable behaviour, trolling, community moderation and why we don’t have much of it, but I will say this:

    Making offensive generalisations about a group of people – whether that group is defined by race, gender, class, sexuality, or any one of a range of human differentiators – is hate speech. On those rare occasions it’s brought to my attention, it results in a ban.

    Don’t make me hunt down your alts. Just rein it in.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. zinc

    Edit:

    Well I did originally have a nice retort for Tea, but Brenna seems to have…

    /Dealt with it.

    ;-) Private joke for those who were reading this thread :-)

    #32 2 years ago
  33. Phoenixblight

    Its their site they can run it how they like. TEA needed to be banned for his comments. We don’t need that crap here, go to 4chan if you want to spew that nonsense.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. lexph3re

    Right, I get cyber stalked nothing is done about it. TEA says his personal view that was apart of the already sticky subject he gets banned. Backwards

    #34 2 years ago
  35. Phoenixblight

    @34

    Cyberstalking != offensive remarks

    #35 2 years ago
  36. G1GAHURTZ

    @34:

    I agree with you, lex.

    Ridiculous double standards here.

    Can’t say I didn’t see it coming. Seriously, before I went to bed last night, I was thinking about leaving a message saying that as soon as Brenna sees this, she’s going to go all ban happy.

    I didn’t, because I hoped that the thread would just be left alone, but obviously that didn’t happen.

    Brenna, you ban tea, because he’s specifically talking about lesbians, which is a group that you openly put yourself into, but while he may have been offensive, he’s NOT a homophobe, and DIDN’T say anything homophobic.

    He stated an opinion, and justified it with explanations.

    You, I or anyone else may not have agreed with him or his explanations, but to ban him is outrageous.

    It goes directly against how Pat has been running this site from day one, and for me, it shows an abuse of power, purely because he said something that you took personal offense to.

    Please, give me your personal email, and I will spam your inbox with ban requests for every time someone comes on here and is offensive to Muslims.

    Because it happens regularly, but I don’t see you rushing to ban them.

    The inconsistency is ridiculous.

    Why couldn’t you just wait and talk to Pat like Dave was going to do?

    #36 2 years ago
  37. salarta

    Brenna’s about to go full Lara Croft (the original, proper one) on the alts. :P

    #37 2 years ago
  38. zinc

    @36, To be fair, Pat has banned Tea once before, so Brenna is still acting in a way that is true to VG247 :)

    Plus its only for a relatively short while, so he’ll be back.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. Dragon246

    Wow, someone got banned. Never thought I would see such a day. Missed the discussion entirely.

    Now, can we also get bans on words like “schizophrenic”, “mentally challenged”, “masturbating” and so on?

    Just read #7, that was bad. Generalizations like that suck and shouldn’t be allowed. However, as Ghz said, same intolerance should also be shown to anyone else hurting any other groups like Muslims and so on.

    Edited

    #39 2 years ago
  40. Ireland Michael

    Good riddance, for a second time. This place might actually be habitable again. We’ll see.

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Brenna Hillier

    @34 who did you report the cyberstalking to? I haven’t taken action because I don’t know a single thing about it. Email me with links.

    @35 @39 I’ll ban over any incident of hate speech I find. I saw this one because the discussion was during my shift. If I see more, I’ll act. I don’t read every comment thread or forum post and I’m not here 24/7.

    @39 I’d love to se an end to the kind of words you mention, Dragon, but using a word callously is different from saying “all people in group x are [negative statement]“.

    @35 His opinions were offensive generalisations, and that’s not allowed.

    @38 I deleted his main. It’s permanent.

    Listen, it’s simple: don’t say anything here you wouldn’t say if you were standing in an office. If the thing you’re saying would have us throw you out of the building, we’ll throw you out of the site.

    Can we please quit it with these endless boring discussions of community moderation. We’ve heard your complaints, we’re working on it, there’s nothing else to be done right now.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. Ireland Michael

    @39 This is the second time he’s been banned.

    @41 “We’ve heard your complaints, we’re working on it.”

    I would totally agree with this if not for the fact that Da Man has been habitually harassing, mocking and insulting almost every single member of the community for ages now, and still nothing has been done about it.

    What he’s posted *has* been hate speech on many occasions, and his behaviour has consistently been worse than TEA’s. But apparently that is totally the sort of thing people say in the office to each other and completely acceptable…

    Beyond that, you guys are doing great.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. Dragon246

    @Brenna,
    Agreed on the whole. People should talk like they would in real life face to face.
    Btw, about cyberstalking, it happened to me before, and nobody listened. I will be counting on you to protect me in the future of VG247 :P

    @Michael,
    Agreed on Da Man, here is one-
    “#474

    Da Man
    13/12/12, 7:44 pm

    Have you tried masturbating, Dragon1234567890 yet? Or is it just vg247 and Metal Gear soundtracks daily?

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen people bumping four year old threads due to having literally zero life. Poor young man.”

    #43 2 years ago
  44. Ireland Michael

    So then, can we get a ban for Da Man’s hate speech and constant stalking harassment as well, since its been made aware of?

    That is all that’s required, correct?

    #44 2 years ago
  45. G1GAHURTZ

    Stop it, O’Connor.

    You don’t even post here anymore, so what’s with the vindictive campaign?

    You’ve been just as guilty of obnoxious behaviour in the past, and you eventually made a conscious effort to change, so perhaps you should spend a little more time concentrating on your own shortcomings?

    You’ve been telling people to ignore, ignore, ignore, for years, but all this time you’ve been incapable of doing it yourself.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. Brenna Hillier

    Honestly everyone, if someone is legit hassling you, with repeat incidents of targeted insults, email me (or Dave, or Steph, or Pat) with a pile of links. You can grab the URL for a specific comment from the red, hashtagged number.

    We are going to check the whole thread and ask for the other side of the story so be very, very sure your own tabard is clean. There are a lot of glass houses around here ;)

    #46 2 years ago
  47. Ireland Michael

    @45 Michael, please.

    I still visit the site daily for news. The only reason I stopped posting is because of the utter pig sty that the community itself has turned into. One of the people responsible for that has been completely wiped from the face of the website though, so there’s some hope for it yet.

    “….you eventually made a conscious effort to change.”

    And that, right there, is the difference. They haven’t.

    “You’ve been telling people to ignore, ignore, ignore, for years, but all this time you’ve been incapable of doing it yourself.”

    I ignore the individuals in question when they directly talk to me. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to discuss the issue with the staff. There’s no “vindictive campaign”. He’s simply one of the guilty people.

    @46 “Honestly everyone, if someone is legit hassling you, with repeat incidents of targeted insults, email me (or Dave, or Steph, or Pat) with a pile of links. You can grab the URL for a specific comment from the red, hashtagged number.”

    I sent numerous links on Twitter to the staff of consistent, abusive comments from Da Man, directed not only as me but countless other members as well, for almost a year. There are members of staff that openly despise his behaviour, and yet even that isn’t even enough. Eventually I got so sick of people like him being allowed to piss on people I simply stopped posting.

    Dragon just showed you one of those comments. The fact that its not in an email shouldn’t matter. The words don’t suddenly change because they’re in an inbox.

    Frankly, people shouldn’t have to sit around and gather up links when the persons behaviour is right in front of your faces, and has been for years. Especially considering that TEA just got banned for one homophobic remark.

    You’re the one who said that you would instantly ban someone if you were made aware of such behaviour, so it’s pretty clear stuff ARE allowed to ban people at their own discretion. So simply delete Da Man’s profile. You KNOW he’s an insulting, degrading, bullying jerk. You don’t need a “email of repeated instances of targeted insults” anymore than you needed them to ban TEA.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. Beta

    The man was ranting about how he hated lesbians.. That is blatantly offensive and he entirely deserved his ban. Ridiculous that anyone could defend a man posting that kind of cave man drivel. And “I’m a realist” is not a justification.

    Well done Brenna.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. Dave Cook

    @47 Michael I spoke with you about this on Twitter and said the best way to deal with the issue was to send me a mail with the evidence in one place, as per what Brenna said above.

    You never sent it mate. I’d have happily taken things a step further if you did but unless it’s proper hate mongering like what TEA has just been banned for, we need to see it in a written email with the evidence there. Just send us links.

    I offered to help and it never came to pass for some reason.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. salarta

    I am going to eat pants now. Mmm. Pants.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. monkeygourmet

    This is outrageous!!!

    While I agree with TEA’s ban in this case (although, same as last time, I think he knew exactly what he was doing to provoke a reaction), the projected view some people have of their conduct on this site is unbelievable!

    If you act like that IRL there must be ALOT of people walking around with a ‘God’ complex.

    Fact is, I’ve seen evidence of;

    passive aggressive bullying
    goading
    sniping
    bitching
    manipulation
    etc… etc…

    These are all pretty shitty character traits, and all coming from the majority of people who call for bans!!! The hypocricy is so strong here!

    Just because a certain member can’t be arsed to trawl through pages and pages of VG247 stories just to dig out the dirt, doesn’t mean it’s not there!

    Of ccourse, then we have the charming ‘alt accounts’ and people running around ‘stealth’ editting their comments in case the get ‘caught out’. What a spineless attitude, can’t bode well for there self esteem IRL.

    I’ve said it before; ‘People in glass houses….’

    You can’t goad, stir up an arguement then cry about it later down the line. Life doesn’t simply work like that, somethings you have to look at your own behaviour and wonder if that may be the cause.

    Anyway, sniping, bitching and back stabbing are easier to do on a forum, it’s just ironic that all the people who seem to be asking about getting more ‘real life’ conduct here display behaviours that most would find abrasive.

    Anyway, TEA’s comments were unacceptable in this instance, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It’s the same thing that happened last time.

    He gets bored and pokes the hornets nest. I don’t even think he believes half the shit he writes, it’s just more trolling, same as he always used to do.

    If someone like TEA change your opinion on gay marriage over a videogame forum, I think you have more problems tbh!

    #51 2 years ago
  52. monkeygourmet

    It wouldn’t actually suprise me if some people on here were not trawling through all their previous posts now and editting like a maniac…

    Trying to make themselves out to be a saint…

    #52 2 years ago
  53. Fin

    I think there’s a big difference between the general bitching and sniping that goes on in comments and TEA saying “I hate lesbians”.

    #53 2 years ago
  54. monkeygourmet

    @53

    Yeah, I was seperating those 2 things.

    The TEA thing was a genuine issue, the people jumping on the bandwagon crying ‘ban him/her!’ are another thing entirely.

    You’ve just grouped both my points together.

    It becomes dangerous to act while people are in a heightened emotional state. Thats when you make mistakes and it’s where ‘Witch Hunts’ stemmed from…

    Mass hysteria or whatever you want to call it.

    My original point was trying to identify this and try to seperate them.

    The other day for example;

    Francis insinuated Clup & LBoss were a homosexual couple, and I think (may be wrong), threw the ‘fag’ word around.

    Clup retaliated by writing various inflammentry poems about him and Nintendo.

    Are we banning Francis here or does it only matter if someone decides to take offence? Just because Clup seemed okay with it and responded in a ‘jokey’ manner, are we saying that behaviour was okay?

    Basically, it’s all a load of shite bollocks and double standards.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. OlderGamer

    This site needs, imo, active moderation. I saw Teas outburt yesterday. Made me sick. But I couldn’t do anything about it. I am glad Brenna took care of it. However I agree with MG too, the action taken here feels selective. And ofc, the reason for that is that the staff is spread thin and not able to police the comments sections properly. You can’t really blame the staff, that isn’t their job. That is where active moderation should come in.

    Sure there will be draw backs. But that is the reality of it. No one should ever feel bad to come here. The type of comments posted by Tea(and others) are just uncalled for and have ZERO place here.

    I don’t post as often as I used to either. And several long term posters stoped contributing as well. Back a couple years ago, when the site was smaller it could get away with less rules and less babysitting. That formula doesn’t work as good now because of the increase in traffic. From spam attacks telling us “Posters love their jobs” to people promoting their own game blogs and youtube accounts with links, to people just spewing trash and hate, every site like this needs someone who only logs on to clean stuff up.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. G1GAHURTZ

    @53:

    That’s nonsense.

    You’ve taken a single sentence that he (possibly) wrote (can’t even check, now), and run with it, ignoring every effort that he made to clarify himself.

    You just wanted to get him banned, regardless of what he said from that point on, which is despicable behaviour.

    It’s very ironic, that for someone who so obviously tries to put himself up as a hero of tolerance, you seem to have an extremely low tolerance for anything that anyone says that you don’t agree with.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. GwynbleiddiuM

    @G1GA To be fair, low tolerance thing isn’t true when we talk about Da Man, oh we tolerate him alright, but the thing is he has this name calling habit that is going on for far too long. He believes himself to be funny and humorous. On rare occasions that might even work for him but most of the time it doesn’t.

    We all have endured him, some people learned to look the other way when he tries to derail a topic, but that doesn’t change the fact that he purposefully attempts to provoke others.

    Just read his comments, sometimes I even wonder if he has any interest in gaming at all. Most of the times he either attacks people based on personal grudges or based on the platform they game at.

    #57 2 years ago
  58. Ireland Michael

    @49 I never sent it because you already had all the proof you needed in all those links on Twitter. But hey, if sitting around waiting for someone to flame just so I can collect random URLs is the only options, I guess I have no choice, eh?

    If Brenna can delete a member’s whole account entirely on her own prerogative (which I fully support, mind you), I think it’s fairly apparent that the staff doesn’t need an email to take action, and can do as they see fit. You KNOW Da Man is guilty of what he’s been accused of countless times over, why not simply delete his account?

    Why is Da Man getting this utterly insane favouritism despite the entire community CONSTANTLY complaining about his behaviour? It’s ridiculous.

    @52 “It wouldn’t actually suprise me if some people on here were not trawling through all their previous posts now and editting like a maniac…”

    Comments on the site only have an editing timespan of about 30 minutes. It’s completely impossible to go back and alter them after that, so what you’re suggesting isn’t possible.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. zinc

    @56, Tea’s attempts to clarify himself are what got him banned.

    But hey, if your fine with unapologetic bigotry and name calling, more power to you. But let’s not make Saint Tea into a martyr here, yeah?

    Sometimes on the internet, stupidity does come at a price. He paid it, now lets move on.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. Clupula

    @57 – I know, at this point, I don’t even read a comment if I see it’s from Da Man, because he’s just going to insulting someone. I don’t recall him ever actually joining a conversation to discuss gaming. If he has, someone correct me, please. But usually, he’ll show up. Insult either the subject of the article or someone saying something positive about it. And then that’s usually the extent of his posts unless someone responds to him, in which case, he’ll then insult the people responding.

    #60 2 years ago
  61. deathm00n

    @60 Don’t forget randomly choosing someone to insult based on their comments. I didn’t liked one bit the time he called me deprived just because I was talking about how low the salarys are in my country and how much tax games have here.

    #61 2 years ago
  62. Deacon

    I’ve clashed with Da Man numerous times. Whilst in hindsight I believe a lot of the time I was merely taking it all a bit too seriously, it’s clear he comes into threads with the sole purpose of insulting, generalising, and throwing shit down from his perceived high horse. He’s better because he only plays online multiplayer and iPad games you see.
    How none of the staff have taken his trolling seriously and just banned the little gimp I have no idea.

    I hate seeing the pleasant old-timers leave just because a handful of hilarious trollers can’t be reprimanded.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. Ireland Michael

    @61

    > mock entire community – allowed to post freely without reprimand.
    > insults minority group that staff is part of – complete deletion.

    I’m not justifying TEA’s behaviour, but its a pretty horrendous double standard and you know it, Dave. Just look at all the comments proceeding this one about his behaviour. Da Man isn’t some sort of poor victim here.

    @62 “How none of the staff have taken his trolling seriously and just banned the little gimp I have no idea.”

    Pretty much this. It’s pretty cleared they can, based on TEA’s banning.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. monkeygourmet

    Da Man… Alt account of Pat?! :)

    @58

    Okay, well, people just have to use the ‘stealth edit’ then I guess.

    @Topic-ish

    I just lump ‘Da Man’ into a similar breed of posters like; PS3Fanboy, itsucks, Somi (Think that was his name, kept writing about Miyamoto getting cancer and stuff).

    It’s trolling on such a lazy level I don’t even notice it or give too fucks.

    When I defend Nintendo alot, I get people sniping as they assume i’m a Nintendo fanboy. The fanboy ‘wars’ part of the website won’t really change IMO.

    People like ‘Da Man’ just baits people, same as PS3fanboy baits other people who dislike Sony. Sometimes I take the bait, sometimes I don’t, but thats always my choice.

    And, let me repeat this: So many other posters are guilty of similar things. There is not really any one person on here that can stand up and say their shit doesn’t stink, so, to be calling other people out is bullshit.

    The only thing that really pisses me off are ‘alt accounts’, as that kind of manipulation isn’t something you can achieve IRL. It can completly throw a topic off balance and get people to argue amoungst themselves. That is the real poison here.

    The obvious trolls don’t do the damage, it’s the sly ones that cause problems…

    ..hungry, restless types… The type that put the wind up Julius Caesar – men who’d stab their friends in the back.

    #64 2 years ago
  65. Beta

    @56 I’m sorry, there is no way to defend his behaviour. He did indeed say “I hate lesbians” which is offensive and banning him was the right call. And his attempts to explain himself only involved more offensive behaviour.

    He was a troll, not some kind of martyr of free speech. And he’s gone. End of.

    #65 2 years ago
  66. salarta

    @51: Simply put, the reason the majority of the people that call for bans all the time are also the people that most deserve them is because those people are desperately trying to get rid of people that hold an opposing view or that they have a personal grudge against. They’re hoping they can get what they want either through intimidation, bullying or smearing them, or by ban hammer. Both work just as well to them.

    Of course, this is an entirely different case from when it’s actually deserved bannings, like saying things that are intentional hate speech.

    @52: You can only edit within a 30 minute window. At least, that’s what I’ve observed.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. Beta

    What this site really needs is an ignore button. That would solve a lot of problems.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. Fin

    @56

    Sorry, when someone says “I hate lesbians”, it doesn’t really matter if there’s a “but” after it.
    It’s bullshit to say that I have an “extremely low tolerance for anything that anyone says that you don’t agree with.”. Yes, when someone says they hate a group of people based on their sexual orientation, I’ve got a low tolerance for that.

    You’re damn right I wanted him banned. He made some other comments in one of the kickstarter articles, being derogatory to women, which I found incredibly distasteful. Him saying he hated lesbians was basically the last straw for me.

    Oh and there’s no “possibly” about him saying “I hate lesbians”.

    Here you go:
    http://i.imgur.com/HCFI6s9.png

    Is anyone actually going to defend what he said under “free speech”?

    #68 2 years ago
  69. lexph3re

    Honestly, This type of Banning process is what disgust me on this site. The topic of which is indeed already a touchy subject but TEA did talk on it. He said He has no problem with Homosexuality and even said he’s pro same sex marriage in the same post with no edits.

    Then he said how he personally feels and clarified that people don’t have to agree with him and it’s just how he feels. That was grounds for a ban? But Da Man who literally follows people on this site actively trolling in Forums and in Threads is passed?

    You can’t tell me that Dave, Bre and others don’t see that garbage. You can’t tell me that TEA didn’t atleast deserve a warning to rephrase off this one “Innappropriate” statement. But, Da Man and others that actively hunt eachother down get a pass.

    This is one of the main reasons I stopped caring about this site. Banning people that they personally feel offended them but not the constant derailers

    #69 2 years ago
  70. Ireland Michael

    @66 Nobody is asking for anyone to be banned simply for having a different view, and that assumption is a complete fabrication.

    @67 There used to be a script that you could run in your browser to ignore posts. I tried to find someone to recode it when the site design changed a while back, but nobody offered to help.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. Beta

    @68 Completely agreed. You cannot justify hate speech. Trolling or not it was extremely offensive.

    VG247 staff, is a proper ignore button something you’re planning to introduce in the future?

    #71 2 years ago
  72. lexph3re

    @68 People are allowed to hate what ever they want. It’s what they do in actions that provokes a movement. You can’t stop someone from hating/disliking/disapproving of anything. They can even state it from a personal position.

    You making a motion for someones disdain is pointless. He didn’t tell you to agree with him. He didn’t tellyou to help him rid the world of them. I read the whole thing. And, it honestly was mildly offensive nothing bigger then a average prank on Family Guy

    #72 2 years ago
  73. Fin

    @72

    So where do you draw the line about what people can say? Would you be ok with a comment saying someone didn’t like Cole in Gears of War because they hate black people? (I mean that as an honest question)

    For me, the line is when someone expresses judgement on a collective group of people – I hate all [insert group of people here]. That’s when they need to be banned.

    #73 2 years ago
  74. G1GAHURTZ

    @59:

    Bigotry and name calling?

    What exactly did he say, then?

    As far as I can remember, he said something about hating lesbians, because they were ugly. Then, iirc, he clarified that his girlfriend’s mother was a lesbian, implying that he had a normal, non-hate filled relationship with her.

    What followed after that, that was so bad?

    He also recently said that he hated KickStarter and the people who put projects on it, because they were just stealing people’s money.

    Is that bigotry, too?

    Are we still allowed to express what we do and don’t like these days, or have the thought police changed the rules?

    Can I now not say that I don’t like blondes, because I find them ugly?

    Is it suddenly a crime to not like something for an arbitrary reason, which isn’t actually homophobia?

    Let’s be honest here. The real reason that tea got banned is because Brenna is obviously very sensitive about this particular issue.

    I don’t agree with Micheal’s continued calls for Da Man to be banned, but look at the way his calls are falling on deaf ears.

    It’s easy to read into this, that certain people don’t care who says what, as long as it’s not about them, or the group that they belong to.

    tea was rude, he was offensive, he said something silly.

    Homophobic? Bigoted? No.

    And if that’s a reason for a perma-ban, then 70% of the people on here should be banned, too.

    #74 2 years ago
  75. Fin

    @74

    Again, there’s a difference between “I don’t like blonde girls” and “I hate all people with blonde hair”.

    Have another read of what TEA said and see if you can tell why it was homophobic and bigoted.

    http://i.imgur.com/HCFI6s9.png

    Quote: “90% of you are forced to be gay”

    #75 2 years ago
  76. Ireland Michael

    @74, “I don’t agree with Micheal’s continued calls for Da Man to be banned, but look at the way his calls are falling on deaf ears.”

    Because I’m totally the only person in this entire thread who has singled out Da Man’s behaviour… *rolls eyes*

    #76 2 years ago
  77. Deacon

    I completely missed his original comments, but if http://i.imgur.com/HCFI6s9.png is the worst of it, I agree with Lex. He has an opinion and he was simply sharing it (as fucking crazy as his opinion may be).

    At least generally he is here to talk about the industry and actually take part, as opposed to sitting on the sidelines and entering threads only to derail and attack.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. Beta

    Right so I’d be fine saying I hate gay people, but it’s okay because my aunt is a lesbian? I wonder how his girlfriends mother would feel if she saw him writing I hate lesbians?

    I’m willing to bet that nearly everything TEA wrote was made up in the first place.

    Actually laughing in disbelief. That is not a legitimate opinion. It’s hate speech.

    #78 2 years ago
  79. lexph3re

    ^Yahtzee And Giga and I never agree. But, He is right. I don’t care if someone says that hate black people and won’t play a game because of it. It’s the moment when someone comes up saying “I’m Black and that’s not cool!” and then the person proceeds to harass the person after finding out their black that turns to a perma ban.

    We found out Silk was a lesbian long ago. Did TEA attack her and make it his goal to make her uncomfortable that he would need repremand him.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. Ireland Michael

    @77 He straight up called homosexual women liars who secretly want a cock in their lives and are only deluding themselves otherwise, that their entire sexuality identity is a facade, and that them being gay was a choice as opposed to a genetic predisposition.

    Yeah, sorry, that’s not just “sharing an opinion”. That’s being a homophobic asshole.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. G1GAHURTZ

    Yes, when someone says they hate a group of people based on their sexual orientation, I’ve got a low tolerance for that.

    You’re talking complete rubbish.

    Never, at any single point in time, did he say that he hated them, based on their sexual orientation.

    That is a clear untruth.

    “You know I’m all for homosexual-rights (everyone is entitled to be happy as long as they aren’t harming anyone else)”

    Is what he actually said.

    You’re just reading what you want to read, because of the intolerance that I’ve already mentioned.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. Ireland Michael

    @81 “Never, at any single point in time, did he say that he hated them, based on their sexual orientation.”

    Uuuuhh…

    “I hate lesbians.”

    “They walk down the street trying to prove something like they’re fucking rebels”

    “You ugly ass broads.”

    “If polygamy was accepted world wide lesbians wouldn’t exist.”

    And just in case you missed it…

    “I hate lesbians.”

    #82 2 years ago
  83. lexph3re

    Fin you are being completely selective with his statements and are only using choice statements from TEA. You are not saying the entire thing at all even though you give links to the source. The dude was clearly making a exaggerated joke out of his own content. Did he link you to statistics on female population and how they are actively becoming homosexual? Did he send you to his website that is asking you to join his hate for lesbians?

    You took everything he said completely out of context and manipulated it to your own personal agenda. You sir/ma’am are being completely bias

    #83 2 years ago
  84. Fin

    @80

    +a million

    @81

    Err, I’m pretty sure when you say “I hate all of [group]“, you hate them because they’re part of that group.

    #84 2 years ago
  85. Clupula

    @74 – It’s more than just “I don’t like blond girls.” It would be closer to him going on some bullshit theory about why blonds are inferior humans.

    If you look earlier in the thread, I said that I don’t feel him simply not liking lesbians was what the problem was. If he had simply said that he didn’t feel gay and lesbian relationships belonged in a videogame primarily aimed at kids, then I would see that as an ignorant opinion, but one that could very much be debated. The whole point of these things is to have a discussion. And he can not like one group of people all he wants as long as he doesn’t suddenly turn things into a soap box, where he pontificates on why he thinks they’re deviants, which is pretty much what he did.

    It would be the same thing as if he went on about how black people were inferior to whites or that all Muslims are terrorists. It was a completely out-of-context rant basically designed to say that one group of people were not equal to others. It would be like using the comments of an article on Ken Levine to go on about how the Jews killed Jesus. That is why it was deserving of a ban. Besides the fact that he had already been banned once before, apparently.

    Including your opinion within the discussion is one thing. Turning it into your own personal forum for how some people are just better than others and why, is another.

    #85 2 years ago
  86. Fin

    @83

    Oh sorry, he said he hated lesbians, that they were doing it to push gay right, that 90% of them were forced to be lesbian because of a lack of men, that people wouldn’t be lesbian if polygamy was legal.

    Correct me if I’m wrong on any of that.

    “It would be the same thing as if he went on about how black people were inferior to whites or that all Muslims are terrorists.”

    Exactly.

    #86 2 years ago
  87. G1GAHURTZ

    Again, there’s a difference between “I don’t like blonde girls” and “I hate all people with blonde hair”.

    If there is any difference, it’s down to who is saying the sentence, and how it is being expressed.

    Those two sentences could well have the exact same intended meaning.

    You’ve clearly taken the most negative interpretation on what he said, because of an agenda that you had.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. lexph3re

    See a lot of bias is cming up basedon the merits of what he said. Again, it’s clear he wasn’t pushing his statement as a general fact. He was completely exaggerating it.

    And If I wanted to be selective as some of the people on this site. I could easily say show proof that Homosexuality is genetic. Show proof that it’s not a choice.

    I could easily draw out the inconclusive aspects of each of those arguements. But, that’s not what TEA did, TEA stated how he felt and left it at that. He was then dragged out by a select few people that made an agenda out of it.

    #88 2 years ago
  89. Beta

    I find it hilarious that people are attempting to defend a man that “hates ugly lesbians”.

    His opinion was wrong. So is yours.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. Fin

    He said “I hate lesbians”, not “I don’t like lesbians” or “there’s this one lesbian girl I know, she annoys me”.

    That’s my agenda.

    #90 2 years ago
  91. Ireland Michael

    @87 He selectively decided that most gay women are ugly, overdramatic bitches who secretly desire a penis.

    It doesn’t matter if he has a single gay friend. That doesn’t make the claims any less homophobic.

    It’s no different to “I’m not racist, but…”. It’s racist / sexist / homophobic / bigoted the very SECOND you claim different standards on people because of what they are.

    And let’s point this out for you again…

    “I hate lesbians”.

    @88 “TEA stated how he felt and left it at that. He was then dragged out by a select few people that made an agenda out of it.”

    That sort of ignorance and bigotry isn’t accepted in adult society, unless you come from shitty places where it is. You don’t get to talk about gay people that way any less than you do women or people of different ethnicities.

    If he wanted to be treated like a grown up, he should have acted like one.

    #91 2 years ago
  92. Deacon

    @80 – okaaaay :p haha wow. He certainly is a special one.

    Still, if we can get Da Man out on his arse off the back of this I’ll be pleased. Surely we can do that now without a list of offences? I can only see G1GA and maybe Gekidami opposing this…

    I’m surprised he hasn’t appeared already to berate us all in one fell swoop!!

    #92 2 years ago
  93. G1GAHURTZ

    Err, I’m pretty sure when you say “I hate all of [group]“, you hate them because they’re part of that group.

    Yes, because they’re part of that group. But it doesn’t mean that what makes them part of that group is why you hate them.

    eg:

    “I hate Scottish people.” (who are Scottish by place of birth)

    “Why?”

    “Because I can’t understand a word that they say, and I feel stupid when I talk to them.”

    Reason for group definition =/= reason for dislike.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. Clupula

    @88 – And If I wanted to be selective as some of the people on this site. I could easily say show proof that Homosexuality is genetic. Show proof that it’s not a choice.

    But you’re missing the point…why would that discussion even need to be brought up on A VIDEOGAME FORUM? Unless, hypothetically, someone decided to do a Kickstarter for a videogame where you turn gay people straight and there was an article on it. Otherwise, there’s no place for that discussion to even happen. You can hate whoever you want. But why should you use here to pontificate about your theories on why the people you hate are the way they are? Get a blog and rant about it there.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. Beta

    So then what is a legitimate reason for hating lesbians? I certainly didn’t see TEA state one.

    #95 2 years ago
  96. Fin

    @93

    Hmm, so what innate thing that differentiates lesbians from the rest of the populate could’ve been his reason for hating them?

    I wonder…

    #96 2 years ago
  97. Dave Cook

    @63 saying I know what Da Man has down is wrong. I’m too busy to watch the boards like a hawk. I honestly don’t see half – scratch that – even a quarter of what you were referring to.

    I’d appreciate it if you’d stop acting like I was defending Da Man or turning a blind eye to him for some reason. I’m not, I just would still very much like to see what it is he’s done to warrant a ban.

    With TEA it was different as we were all here at the time to see it unfold. It’s a bit shitty when it’s being made to seem like we don’t care about you guys, because we do, but once again, resources are against us to carry out constant moderation, we’re insanely busy and once the new site opens, it will have better tools to combat people being pricks.

    If you had sent me that mail back then he could have been booted by now, but here we are, still doing the same, tired dance

    Just know that we do want to help and make this a friendly place to be. Until we’re given the scope to do so, we can only do what we can.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. lexph3re

    Again the grounds were clearly personal as opposed to the nature of his statement. In which it shows that the moderation of this site is purely impulsive as opposed to objective. And, all it takes is a single statement by a select group to inflate it to achieve a goal.

    But people can continue to actively harrass and attack community members and not a damn will be given.

    #98 2 years ago
  99. G1GAHURTZ

    @Micheal:

    What are you going to do with this quote?

    “You know I’m all for homosexual-rights (everyone is entitled to be happy as long as they aren’t harming anyone else)”

    Here, he has clearly made a distinction between his own personal opinion, and what he feels is right.

    That alone, is enough reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, and give him a warning.

    Did that happen?

    No.

    Brenna banned him for good.

    Has she banned the guy that you’re all complaining about?

    No.

    Why?

    That is my question.

    Why?

    #99 2 years ago
  100. Clupula

    @99 – I guess you could say that having already been banned once before can count as having already had a warning.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. Ireland Michael

    @92 “Surely we can do that now without a list of offences”

    Don’t hold your breath. There’s a pretty obvious selective bias going on, which the staff seem are outright ignoring.

    Brenna’s actions show that the staff *can* do this sort of thing at their own prerogative. I’ve had some staff outright tell me they despise his behaviour and find working in an environment with him in it to be both stressful and upsetting… so nothing is stopping them.

    Anything less than a straight up deletion of his account is selective bias.

    Maybe a thread of his offences might work better than an email. That way people can collectively point out his constant personal attacks individually, and the staff can see it all in one place. Apparently it’s the only thing that’s going to see any action taken.

    #101 2 years ago
  102. G1GAHURTZ

    Again the grounds were clearly personal as opposed to the nature of his statement. In which it shows that the moderation of this site is purely impulsive as opposed to objective.

    +1

    #102 2 years ago
  103. Beta

    @100 Seems like warning enough to me :p He’ll be back with an alternate account soon and the whole fun dance will start all over again anyway.

    #103 2 years ago
  104. Gheritt White

    ALL OF YOU ARE CUNTS!

    #104 2 years ago
  105. lexph3re

    @94 This topic isabout what again? Please don’t act like in journalism that this isn’t one of the many openings to Baldurs Gate. This topic always brings out deep feelings, Offensive rants and Hate filled arguemnts. However, in TEAs case he did not escalate anything past the interpretations of a select few that already seemed to have their views on him.

    I’m not making him a martyr or anything. But, when so many random bans go about and we see so many slip through the cracks. It continues to turn me away fom this site. And, I have made many of friends on this site already so it’s enough to make me speak up on it

    #105 2 years ago
  106. Beta

    @104 See why don’t I find that offensive? :P

    #106 2 years ago
  107. G1GAHURTZ

    @100:

    That’s fair enough, but Brenna never mentioned about him being previously warned.

    This has purely been about a banning based on one single set of comments.

    #107 2 years ago
  108. Patrick Garratt

    We don’t have to go through this every time someone gets banned. He was being offensive. And that’s that.

    #108 2 years ago
  109. Patrick Garratt

    We can warn him or not warn him. He was being blatantly homophobic. It’s not acceptable.

    #109 2 years ago
  110. Beta

    @109 I could not agree with this more Pat.

    #110 2 years ago
  111. lexph3re

    His Statements weren’t blantly homophobic. The guy even said they deserve to be married. Anything after that can be his own personal expression towards how he feels. And, you can’t stop someone from feeling how they want. That’s completely contradictive towards the initial motion and shows favoritism to a select party.

    Again completely implusive

    #111 2 years ago
  112. G1GAHURTZ

    Can we have some consistency then, Pat?

    #112 2 years ago
  113. Ireland Michael

    “With TEA it was different as we were all here at the time to see it unfold. It’s a bit shitty when it’s being made to seem like we don’t care about you guys, because we do, but once again, resources are against us to carry out constant moderation, we’re insanely busy and once the new site opens, it will have better tools to combat people being pricks.”

    Brenna deleting TEA’s entire account in a heartbeat says otherwise.

    I sent you guys dozens of links of his behaviour every single time they happened, 90% of which weren’t even directed at me. You saw it with your own eyes, and people have been telling the staff for YEARS that his behaviour is disruptive. GOOD members have straight up left because of him.

    If TEA can be banned on impulse, so can Da Man. You’ve been told what he’s guilty of countless times, and you don’t need to “police the site” to see it. I’ll check the comments maybe once a month and find them without even trying. On the last page alone there were about half a dozen comments IN A ROW pointing out the effects of his behaviour.

    Stop being selective. The *entire* site wants Da Man gone for the sake of the community atmosphere. You’re around enough to know who the active and decent members of the community are, so you could just trust their word.

    #113 2 years ago
  114. Patrick Garratt

    Of course I can’t stop someone having an opinion. But we can stop them from having it on our website. As we did.

    #114 2 years ago
  115. G1GAHURTZ

    @111:

    Agreed.

    #115 2 years ago
  116. Patrick Garratt

    @112 Sure. Who else is being homophobic?

    #116 2 years ago
  117. Beta

    @111 He can feel however he wants. That doesn’t mean that he can come on a gaming site of all places and try to offend people. And he was being blatantly homophobic. I hate lesbians is the very definition of homophobic.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=homophobic

    “Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men” I.E. “I hate lesbians”

    #117 2 years ago
  118. Ireland Michael

    “He was being offensive.”

    So is Da Man almost every single time he posts, with straight up insults and derogatory comments targeting people’s intelligence, personality, class and status DIRECTLY.

    This keeps coming up because of the selective bias going on. And people will keep bringing it up until he is banned.

    #118 2 years ago
  119. Ireland Michael

    @116 So it’s only bannable if its homophobic?

    Straight up harassment of members is PERFECTLY acceptable though. Got it.

    #119 2 years ago
  120. Patrick Garratt

    You do seem to have a giant hard-on for getting this guy banned, Michael. Is it really that bad? If it is I’ll whack him.

    #120 2 years ago
  121. Patrick Garratt

    Don’t have a go at me, dude. Error.

    #121 2 years ago
  122. Lengendaryboss

    Hmmm this got heated much quicker than i thought.

    #122 2 years ago
  123. Ireland Michael

    @120 He’s the worst thing about this community bar nothing. I’m not the only person whose ever brought him up. Almost everyone wants him gone because of his constant, neverending harassment of the community. What more do you need than that fact?

    @121 The staff ARE being selective. This is a straight up fact. Are you going to ban people for having an opinion and actually trying to defend the community, instead of the constant bully hassassing it?

    Since the site’s inception, Shatner and Da Man are the only issues I’ve ever brought to the staff’s attention… and Da Man is far worse than Shatner ever was.

    #123 2 years ago
  124. viralshag

    I’m with #104…

    Seems like it was bit of an impulsive decision regarding the ban.

    I think both TEA and Da Man make stupid comments from time to time but that’s not something I would only accuse them of and it hardly seems ban-worthy… definitely ignore-worthy though.

    #124 2 years ago
  125. Deacon

    This is all starting to sound a bit tit-for-tat, but, I can definitely back up Michael’s comments on Da Man Pat. He’s a deliberately offensive troll who adds nothing to this place and has influenced the departure of those that DO (or did) add.

    #125 2 years ago
  126. Beta

    @124 Which brings to me back to my request for an ignore button in the future.

    I certainly know that I would use it. ;)

    #126 2 years ago
  127. G1GAHURTZ

    @Pat:

    Well, I’ve seen Islamophobia and racism galore, over the years, but I’ve not called for those people to be banned.

    I’ve gotten used to the fact that nothing happens.

    Which is why this makes no sense.

    So all I’m saying is that, from this point on, can those people be perma-banned, too. Because it hasn’t happened consistently over the last 6 years.

    #127 2 years ago
  128. G1GAHURTZ

    @Pat:

    You know what Michael is like when he has it in for someone.

    Don’t ban Da Man purely on his say so.

    This is getting ridiculous…

    #128 2 years ago
  129. Patrick Garratt

    @127 – If you see something like that, tell me. A guy being a bit of a prick isn’t the same as someone being racist. I’ve said before that anything racist or homophobic isn’t allowed here. I don’t read these comments much, but I will ban people for it.

    Has Da Man been racist or homophobic? Or is he just being a bit of a prick?

    #129 2 years ago
  130. Beta

    It’s not just Michael asking for him to be banned though. Personally I don’t have an opinion on Da Man as I’ve never interacted with him.

    Though from what I’ve heard he sounds like a charming guy.. :P

    #130 2 years ago
  131. Ireland Michael

    Just for the record…

    “I can definitely back up Michael’s comments on Da Man Pat. He’s a deliberately offensive troll who adds nothing to this place and has influenced the departure of those that DO (or did) add.”

    @127 That’s because the staff aren’t Islamic or an ethnic minority. It’s only offensive if you’re part of the group being offended. I completely agree on racism being just as bannable, but don’t hold your breath.

    #131 2 years ago
  132. G1GAHURTZ

    @Pat:

    I don’t have any problems with Da Man.

    I know he can be offensive, like we all can, but no, nothing racist or homophobic.

    #132 2 years ago
  133. Patrick Garratt

    I’ve said repeatedly that racism will result in a ban. Who’s being racist? Why do you keep suggesting that I’m letting people be racist on here? Show me the racism and I’ll ban people.

    #133 2 years ago
  134. Patrick Garratt

    Or just fucking mail me, hey. It’s my 40th birthday today. I’m going to eat some cake. Send all the racism to patrick@vg247.com.

    #134 2 years ago
  135. zinc

    Moderation is all well & good until it’s your mates being banned eh?

    #135 2 years ago
  136. DrDamn

    Happy Birthday Pat :D

    #136 2 years ago
  137. Deacon

    LOL – Happy motherfunkin Birthday Patrick! :D

    #137 2 years ago
  138. G1GAHURTZ

    WHOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!

    CONGARATZ, PAT!

    The big four-O!

    Why didn’t you say something??

    #138 2 years ago
  139. Beta

    Happy Birthday Pat. ;)

    #139 2 years ago
  140. zinc

    @134, The cake is a lie!!

    Old pun, for an old guy ;-)

    Happy Birthday :-P

    #140 2 years ago
  141. viralshag

    Jeez, you’re 40? You don’t look a day under 43… :) Happy Birthday!

    Can say Da Man is bit of a dick sometimes, can’t recall any homophobic or racist remarks. I don’t really have any problems with him either.

    #141 2 years ago
  142. Ireland Michael

    @129 So let me get this straight…

    Racism: Unacceptable
    Homophobia: Unacceptable
    Sexism: Hit and miss
    Bullying: Acceptable
    Harassment: Acceptable
    Demeaning people: Acceptable
    Equating people to retards: Acceptable

    He’s not just “being a bit of a prick”. GIGA is the sort of member who is a “bit of a prick” from time to time, but I have no issue with him because he’s actively engaged with the community and respectful to most people. Da Man isn’t. He actively demeans countless members on an almost daily basis.

    #142 2 years ago
  143. viralshag

    This is fun…

    In a pin the ban on a racist kinda way…

    #143 2 years ago
  144. Lengendaryboss

    Happy Birthday Pat i kinda feel sorry for you having to put up with all these complains or demands so it seems :D on this particular day.

    #144 2 years ago
  145. Fin

    @142

    Alright man, chill.

    #145 2 years ago
  146. Ireland Michael

    @145 I am chill. I’m just making an observation.

    #146 2 years ago
  147. Beta

    Party games including: Pin the ban on the racist and the homophobia debate. ;)

    Sounds like my 17th.. ;p

    #147 2 years ago
  148. Deacon

    @143 – lol!

    ‘a bit of a dick’… wow, seriously?

    Considering DM’s targets, it stand to reason that some won’t mind him being here. I dare say fans of a certain flavour love having him around!

    And thus, life goes on.

    Might as well give it up Michael. I can see where Pat and Dave are coming from. I’m not here every day like I used to be and I don’t actively promote VG247 to people I know based primarily on the presence of people like Da Man.

    It’s ludicrous that he’s still ‘at large’, imo. It’s to VG247′s detriment that he’s still here. But then it’s all just words on the internet at the end of the day.

    I’d just love to know what goes on inside the head of someone like that…..

    #148 2 years ago
  149. Samoan Spider

    We’re all free to have opinions but as I’ve said before, freedom of speech doesn’t mean what a lot of people think it means.
    At least that certain someone got a smack from the permanent ban hammer of doom but like a weed, they’ll be back. I remember him saying to me once that ‘we don’t need people like you around here’ but it seems that plenty didn’t want him around either :)
    Glad action was taken but this is definitely why an ignore button is required and I’m looking forward to the site revision.

    Oh and I’m with Michael on this whilst we’re picking :P

    #149 2 years ago
  150. lexph3re

    Ironically, TEA doesn’t use alts he only comes to this site as TEA

    #150 2 years ago
  151. Beta

    @149 +1 to basically everything you said. :D

    #151 2 years ago
  152. viralshag

    @148, Well that’s it, I can only comment on what I have actively seen and experienced. I’ve had “heated debates” or pointless arguments with a few people on here but I don’t really care for them to get banned.

    I don’t pay much attention to what some people write so it’s very possible I have missed the reasons for wanting him banned.

    #152 2 years ago
  153. Mjorh

    152 Comments 4 a rumour ! wow! D! get over it guyz b4 bloodbath or sth happens ! D!

    #153 2 years ago
  154. GwynbleiddiuM

    OK, I felt like to paste this here as people seem to have a misunderstanding about what Homophobia is:

    Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.

    This is sufficient enough to leave no room for doubt that what TEA said was completely undefendable. That said, I do have issue with the extent of his punishment, but it isn’t my business how VG247 wants to

    BUT, when it comes to Da Man, he is as offensive as TEA was. We are talking about a person who describes people as deprived fat nerds on a daily basis.

    @G1GA “Well, I’ve seen Islamophobia and racism galore, over the years, but I’ve not called for those people to be banned.”

    I assume that is directed at me, well, I’m sorry that you feel bad when I talk about the religion of peace, the religion of tolerance, the religion that would find and execute innate apostates because Allah commands it. I’m sorry that you are offended when I talk about your offensive religion that is after my head just because I’m an Atheist.


    sorry if I went overboard with this last comment but the phrase “Islamophobia” infuriates me beyond the point of reason, because it’s just outright bullshit. I’m an anti-theist, yet I have no hatred toward the people who are religious, only those who commit violence on behalf of their religion and inconvenience other people’s rights just because their religion allows them to, and Islam is the pioneer of defiling human rights all around the world.

    #154 2 years ago
  155. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ I wasn’t talking about you.

    I hardly ever read what you write.

    #155 2 years ago
  156. monkeygourmet

    This escalated quickly…

    #156 2 years ago
  157. Joe Musashi

    @66: Simply put, the reason the majority of the people that call for bans all the time are also the people that most deserve them is because those people are desperately trying to get rid of people that hold an opposing view or that they have a personal grudge against. They’re hoping they can get what they want either through intimidation, bullying or smearing them, or by ban hammer.

    This is a very good point. I’ve witnessed a number of little campaigns of this nature. Deliberately twisting events and projecting agendas onto others. I don’t think it’s going to be stamped out, but it’s comforting to know that others can see what’s gone on.

    As for the main thrust of the comments:

    Consistent moderation is successful moderation. Whatever the rules are. Whatever principles you run the site by. Whatever it is – if you’re not consistent then you fracture the community’s view. VG247 staff: if you’ve read these comments then you can see that people feel a consistent approach is not being applied. The comments speak for themselves. As good as your intentions may be the behaviour witnessed in this discussion is evidence of how the community feels. Lack of resources or tech may be valid reasons, but that’s merely a response – it’s not an answer.

    To those requesting an ignore button: you already have it. Try the “Page Down” key on your keyboard. Or just hit the space-bar. Chances are the offending material will disappear from your eyes. :)

    And as I mentioned in the Gadzooks-farewell departure topic: everyone is always accusing everyone else of bad behaviour. It’s always the other guy’s fault. It’s always the other guy that needs to get banned/given a warning/change their views. Whilst everyone thinks this way, nothing will change. If you care enough about change, you’ll start by looking at your own behaviour before pointing fingers. If you’re not prepared to do that, then you have no reason to expect anyone else to.

    And finally: contrary to popular belief, internet communities are not democracies. They are dictatorships. You can kid yourself that that’s not true but the true power is in the hands of the few at the top – not the masses below.

    JM

    PS: Happy Birtday Pat.

    #157 2 years ago
  158. GwynbleiddiuM

    @155 Not that I care but you’re lying. There are quite a few instances you did reply to what I wrote on the matter of religion wether it was brought up by someone else or me on the forum or the comment section.

    #158 2 years ago
  159. monkeygourmet

    @157

    Agree, and by proxy agree with how @66 put it.

    #159 2 years ago
  160. Stephany Nunneley

    Can we move this discussion over to the forums please?

    http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=9678&replies=1#post-48432

    Thanks.

    #160 2 years ago
  161. G1GAHURTZ

    @158:

    1. I don’t lie.

    2. If I did talk to you about religion, it was a long time ago.

    #161 2 years ago
  162. salarta

    THIS JUST IN, SEND ALL RACISM TO PAT. Alongside those risque photos of him.

    @157: I can see it go on because I’m usually the target. I care a great deal about various subjects, people get angry that I’m so vocal and do anything they can to try to silence me out of desperation. Many try to frame my complaints as being overbearing and repetitive, yet that attitude of “you’re too repetitive” is never said if the person is fanboying or fangirling over a product or company. Apparently, gushing like crazy and acting like a particular game is the best thing ever ad nauseum is fine, but saying a game sucks and stating what’s wrong with it in equal proportion is “too much.” If “I’m sick of hearing your complaints” is sufficient reason to silence someone, then “I’m sick of hearing your praise” may as well be too to keep it equal.

    #162 2 years ago

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  • Competitive matchmaking support is coming to Team Fortress 2

    Team Fortress 2 will soon feature support for competitive matchmaking, which Valve says is a “high priority” project for it at the moment. According to a report from TeamFortress.tv, which visited Valve headquarters recently, Valve is looking into the possibility of 6v6 or 9v9 matches 9v9, a possible quick play option and it is also […]

  • GTA 5 PC patch fixes garage, Job crashes – full notes here

    Rockstar has pushed out a 353 MB patch for GTA 5 on PC The patch fixes a number of annoying bugs related to vehicles and garages, some deathmatch issues and purchase errors. It should also fix various freezing and crashing bugs, as well as a little issue with Steam. Time will tell if the patch […]

  • Fire Emblem If will come in White Kingdom and Black Kingdom versions with amiibo support

    We’ve finally got some juicy details on the next Fire Emblem game, but the most interesting aspect is that there will be two versions of the game. According to Siliconera, who translated an interview between Intelligent Systems and 4Gamer, there will a White Kingdom and a Black Kingdom version that offer different aspects of the […]

  • Deception 4: The Nightmare Princess heads west with “Golden Toilet” pre-order bonus

    Deception 4: The Nightmare Princess will debut on western PlayStation 4 systems this summer, Koei Tecmo has announced. It is also coming to PS3 and Vita. The game was produced by Keisuke Kikuchi of Fatal Frame fame and takes up where Deception 4: Blood Ties left off allowing players to relive Laegrinna’s pursuit to free […]

  • Nintendo US eShop update: Puzzle & Dragons Super Mario demo, Paper Mario, more

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with a demo of Puzzle & Dragons Super Mario Bros. Edition, Paper Mario on Virtual Console, and amiibo Tap. The full update is below. eShop update amiibo Tap – free – Wii U Star Wars Pinball DLC – Wii U Paper Mario – Wii U […]

  • Deus Ex: Mankind Divided PC port handed off to Nixxes

    The PC port of the new Deus Ex has been handed over to Netherlands based studio, Nixxes software. After the initial reveal trailer at the beginning of April, we’ve only had a few morsels in the way of additional news. The most intriguing tidbit to date has got to be the fact that you’ll be […]

  • First-ever PC Gaming Show to take place at E3 2015 in June

    PC gaming will finally have its very own E3 press conference this year, thanks to PC Gamer and AMD. The PC Gaming Show will take place on June 16 at the Belasco Theater in Los Angeles and it will be livestreamed on Twitch. PC Gamer said speakers at the presentation will include representatives from Blizzard, […]

  • Majora’s Mask light available now on Club Nintendo for 6000 stars

    Club Nintendo shuts up shop on September 30 and members are being encouraged to spend accumulated stars before then. And what better to spend them on, than this adorable Majora’s Mask light? If you’re a member based in Europe you can nab it for 6000 stars. If you’re in Australia or New Zealand, it’ll only […]

  • Unity support announced for HoloLens, will work with Windows universal apps

    Microsoft is partnering with game engine developers Unity in order to make HoloLens compatible with apps and games which use the cross-platform engine. The partnership was announced yesterday during its Build Developer Conference. Universal apps for Windows 10 systems will also be available on Xbox One later this year, suggesting possible HoloLens functionality with the […]

  • Splatoon Nintendo Direct airs Thursday, May 7

    A Nintendo Direct focused on Splatoon, the Wii U multiplayer title, on May 7. It will kick off at 7am PDT/10am EDT/3pm UK and it can be watched via the Nintendo Direct website. You can also have a look at the game through Nintendo’s Twitch channel. The last game-specific presentation took place last week and […]

  • GTA 5 PC: clean up the streets as a member of the San Andreas PD with this new mod

    Remember the awesome mods for GTA 4 and San Andreas that let you run amok online as a member of the po-po? Well, dust off your taser and load up your gun, because it’s coming to GTA 5. The new mod for GTA 5 is currently in alpha and can be downloaded at palmbeachgames.com. You […]

  • Indie shoot ‘em up Project Root comes to Xbox One, PS4 and PSVita

    Project Root is a self-proclaimed rejig of the shoot ‘em up genre that was released on PC last year, and it’s finally coming to consoles. Combining free-roaming elements with the usual business of shooting things, Project Root was released this week for Xbox One, PS4 and the PSVita.

  • You can now bet on eSports online, starting with League of Legends

    If you’re getting bored with sticking a pony on the races, you can expand your gambling horizons at Unikrn where you can watch esports streams and get a little action on the side. The new platform was set up by Rahul Sood – previously the general manager of Microsoft Ventures. At the moment, customers are […]

  • Has Watch Dogs 2 been leaked?

    Ubisoft employee, Julien Risse, may have inadvertently confirmed Watch Dogs 2, thanks to his online CV over at LinkedIn. Videogamer.com spotted the slip up, in which Risse lists Watch Dogs, the DLC Bad Blood, and Watch Dogs 2 on his profile. Creative Director Jonathan Morin has already talked about his ideas for improvements for the […]

  • GTA 5′s Trevor makes his Jackass debut, complete with leopard-print knickers

    YouTuber Abstract Mode has shared his vision of what Trevor Philips’ life might have been like, had he not been completely batshit crazy. Watch Trevor get mauled, run over, and hit by a train, before taking a majestic swan-dive into someone else’s pool at the climax. Thanks, Kotaku.

  • Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 season pass will cost you £35

    Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 isn’t released until November 6, but you can already hand over your cash for the Season Pass. The Season Pass is available for pre-purchase on Steam for £34.99, and will cover four DLC packs – although the details we have on the content are limited to ‘exciting’ at this […]

  • GTA Online’s cheating assholes are no match for this player’s vengeance

    Think you’re smart for using invisibility and infinite ammo glitches? You need to be taught a lesson, sucker. You can have all the hacks you want but if your GTA Online game is weak, you’ll still get your ass handed to you. As this fool discovered when attempting to hassle another player. There’s a fair […]

  • PS4 sales help Sony’s games division swing to profit

    Sony’s PlayStation business has made an operating profit of 48.1 billion yen ($404m / £261.5m) in the past 12 months. That’s thanks to stellar sales of the PlayStation 4 and PS Plus, even as sales of the PS3 have stalled and the company wrote off costs for the PSTV and PS Vita. The profit puts […]

  • New patch for Dirt Rally gives co-driver’s attitude a tune-up

    Dirt Rally gets a new patch three days after release on Steam. On Monday, we reported that the newest Dirt game has popped up on Steam’s Early Access and is available to pick up for £24.99, as well as giving you an eyeful of tasty screenshots. The patch – released yesterday – fixes some issues […]

  • New The Witcher 3 screenshots show combat, exploration and general carousing

    New screenshots released on the official facebook page for The Witcher 3 show Geralt annihilating a winged beast, out and about in the world exploring, and living the life of Reily amidst a bustling feast. We were already treated to some glorious screenshots a few days ago, but these new ones are in-game and give […]

  • Destiny: 14 things you might have missed during House of Wolves intel drops

    Destiny: House of Wolves does a great deal more than just slap some new content on the existing game structure. House of Wolves changes Destiny in a lot of interesting and very welcome ways. Bungie showed off many of these changes in its livestream, and let both me and Arekkz come and have a look […]

  • Scratch that cyberpunk itch with Technobabylon on May 21 – new trailer

    Technobabylon more like Wrecked-yo-babbling with my smooth flow about how good Wadjet Eye games are. I don’t know y’all, it’s clock off time and everything feels like a reach. Wadjet Eye makes pretty good adventure games – award winning, in fact. The latest project to spring forth from the benevolent, sheltering hand of the label […]

  • Skullgirls 2nd Encore brings exclusive new features to PS4, Vita in northern summer

    Skullgirls, the little indie fighter that could, is getting another crack at it. Skullgirls 2nd Encore is the second re-release of the one-time troubled 2D versus fighter from lab Zero Games. Having survived the shut down of its developer and collapse of its publishing contrast, Skullgirls re-emerged as Skullgirls: Encore, adding in a ton of […]

  • Danganronpa series generates “impressive” sales for Vita exclusive

    Danganronpa is selling quite nicely, thank you, says NIS America. Danganronpa is a series of murder mystery visual novel puzzlers in a similar vein to games like 999. Two of these have been released for Vita in the west – Trigger Happy Havoc and Goodbye Despair. Speaking to MCV, NIS America CEO and president Takuro […]

  • I have no idea what is going on in J-Stars Victory VS+ but I kind of like it

    In this J-Stars Victory VS+ trailer, we see – uhh. Well. We certainly see some things. Look y’all, I was a massive weaboo in high school, but that was back in the dark ages when we had to take out Manga Entertainment VHS tapes from dingy little specialist rental joints that were literally underground, and […]

  • Please just watch this terrific trailer for Toren

    Toren is the kind of game I dream about when I drift off to sleep at night. This indie puzzle adventure strikes a spark in my little soul in the same way as Ico and Tequila Works’ Rime do. Mysterious, almost ethereal fantasy setting – check. Chance to actually walk around in that setting – […]

  • Play classic MS-DOS games on your own tweets

    In today’s episode of “what will they think of next”, someone’s figured out how to post playable versions of classic games in tweets. For some time now, Twitter has allowed you to embed various forms of media in tweets, most noticeably YouTube videos, simply by pasting a URL into the compose field. Turns out this […]

  • VR: Unreal Engine to add HTC Vive support

    The biggest digital PC game distributor and the most popular game development engine have both backed VR. It’s going to happen. An upcoming Unreal Engine 4 update will expand the development suite’s support to the HTC Vive, Valve’s VR headset. In this glorious new future where work on one of the most important engines in […]

  • WWE 2K15 PC supports modding

    WWE 2K15 may be the series’ PC debut, but it’s already getting into the spirit of the platform. WWE 2K15 does indeed support mods on PC, 2K’s Marcus Stephenson has confirmed. @ElementGamesTV you can. Now buy. — Marcus Stephenson (@stephensonmc) April 28, 2015 As Destructoid points out, this opens the door to all sorts of […]

  • Overkill’s The Walking Dead coming to PC, PS4 and Xbox One in 2016

    Overkill’s The Walking Dead is one step closer to your grasping little paws. Overkill’s The Walking Dead will be published by 505 Games, Overkill parent Starbreeze has announced. 505 also published Payday 2, Overkill’s previous title, so the two companies have established a working relationship. In a press release, the publisher said the co-op title […]

  • Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 pre-orders net Advanced Warfare DLC

    Buy Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 for later, enjoy bonus Advanced Warfare content now. Blacks Ops 3 is being supported by a rather cunning pre-order incentive even more likely to get you to lay your cash down sooner than you might otherwise. Gamespot reports a Black Ops 3 pre-order will receive a couple of […]

  • Steam Game Ban system lets developers determine who to block

    Steam users can now be blocked from individual games by their developers. Steam has always supported multiplayer bans for disruptive users, but a newly-implemented system allows developers to ban users from individual games using their own anti-cheat systems. Game Bans are enforced by Valve, but are enacted at the developer’s request and discretion. This change […]

  • Far Cry 4 devs matching Red Cross donations up to $100K to aid Nepal earthquake victims

    Far Cry 4 developer Ubisoft Montreal will match any pledges made to The Red Cross up to $100,000 to aid Nepal after the 7.8 earthquake struck the area in and around Kathmandu in Nepal. According to Ubisoft: “Having spent the last few years working on Far Cry 4, a game heavily inspired by Nepal and […]

  • Tales of Zestiria retail listing notes September release date, PS4 version

    Tales of Zestiria is coming west in northern autumn, and while it’s confirmed as a PlayStation 3 release, a Dutch retailer has it listed as coming to PS4 as well. Of course, listing it for PS4 could also be a typo, not that I would personally know about that sort of thing, really. However, according […]