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Always-on: “Deal with it,” says MS creative director [Update]

Friday, 5th April 2013 19:22 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Microsoft Game Studios creative director Adam Orth took to Twitter today to air his views on always-on Internet requirements for gaming, which has raised hackles in the context of recent rumours about the next Xbox console requiring Internet to function.

You can read all about it on Gematsu – I won’t rehash it here as an individual’s personal opinion is not confirmation of anything – but the crux of the argument is that games now require online services so a console needing Internet is like a vacuum cleaner needing electricity.

Microsoft has responded to the tweets, via its PR firm, with the following statement given to GI International:

“We are aware of the comments made by an employee on Twitter. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views are not reflective of those of the company. We have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter.”

A reveal of Microsoft’ new console is expected soon. Rumours of its always-on Internet requirement have cropped up at least three times.

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227 Comments

  1. DSB

    A console-sized Simcity or Diablo 3 disaster? Committing commercial suicide just for the heck of it? I just don’t see it.

    #1 1 year ago
  2. Dark

    3rd console curse is a real thing.

    #2 1 year ago
  3. POOP CRUSTY

    I honestly always imagined myself buying a nextbox at launch. Not anymore. If this is how they talk to us the people who spend our hard earned cash on their product. PS4 bound I am.

    #3 1 year ago
  4. YoungZer0

    So Sony has already won? Just like that? Wow.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. DSB

    I still say it’s another random internet rumor.

    And if I’m wrong then Microsoft are even dumber than I thought they were, and that’s saying something.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Nath_gamer

    If this is the case for the next Xbox they will have a bad time with angry fans, and no hope in catching up to the PS4.

    #6 1 year ago
  7. DuckNation

    LOL this is going to be something to watch where is my popcorn and soda

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/531864_o.gif

    #7 1 year ago
  8. woe

    @YoungZer0 Last time i checked Sony were in 3rd place and selling its buildings just to stay afloat.

    #8 1 year ago
  9. Brenna Hillier

    It’s going to be really, really interesting if it turns out to be true. In the context of “you wouldn’t buy a mobile phone if you didn’t have reception” it almost makes sense. There was a time when mobile coverage was really limited, but we bought them anyway, and forced the networks to expand. Maybe always-on devices could finally kick ISP’s into gear.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. salarta

    Welp, if that’s an indirect confirmation and not merely someone within the company voicing his opinion on if they did do always-on internet, I think it’s safe to say Microsoft just lost the next generation. There’s a reason Ubisoft learned to back down from forcing the Assassin’s Creed series to be always online, and it wasn’t from consumers throwing their money at the company for screwing with whether or not they could play games.

    @9: From what I understand, the majority of people that started buying mobile phones did so once there was enough coverage to ensure the phones could be used to contact other people most of the time. Plus, if the phone component didn’t work, that didn’t result in being completely unable to call the person from a different phone. There’s also how cell phones didn’t develop such a big craze for them until after iphones introduced apps and music and the like, which could be used regardless of whether or not you get a signal.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. DSB

    @9 Recently I saw someone link to a national newspaper article saying that the internet wasn’t catching on, and that it would probably be consigned to oblivion. This was in 1998, and precious few months before the national infrastructure really started to make itself felt here.

    Then you had 3G more recently. There was one company pushing it, and their network well and truly sucked. As I recall they nearly went bankrupt from all the losses they were taking. Eventually their backend and pricing caught up, and now they’re the biggest provider.

    That’s certainly part of the reason why I hold back a bit when it comes to dooming every new idea.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. Francis O

    #8 Yeah, a lot of people like to push aside Sony’s problems and ignore how bad of a situation Sony is in. But the reality is Sony’s game division is damn near bankrupt.

    Games like MAG, PlayStation All Stars, and StarHawk costed Sony million to make, and each game bombed hard. Especially StarHawk, Sony took a double digit loss in the millions on that one.

    Sony had to sell there Japanese and US headquarter just to record a profit. Not to mention they had to sell shares they purchased in various companies. And the worst part of it is, there credit rating has been labeled as “junk” status. Sony is in huge trouble if the PS4 doesn’t take off.

    With the rise of PC gaming, and competition from Steam, MS, and Nintendo. Sony needs to dominate this generation or there in big big trouble.

    I’m not trolling Sony, I’m just telling the truth.

    #12 1 year ago
  13. POOP CRUSTY

    DSB and Brenna I completely understand your povs. For me personally in the past, I have had to disconnect the internet for a while to catch up with other bills. So by doing this now, it will result in me not being able to have internet to turn too(GOD knows I use it every day) and no way of playing video games. The comparison of a vacuum without electricity and a console without internet is just so ridiculous. Consoles need electricity also but an internet connection to be able to play with people around the world. I know a lot of friends over in the middle east that are in the Army who’s only means of entertainment is a video game console not plugged into the internet.

    #13 1 year ago
  14. HauntaVirus

    Hey Microsoft, FUCK YOU. Deal with it.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. Kuwabara

    I doubt this would have an impact on sales. For those who already have an xbox 360, they will buy a xbox 720 regardless. The majority of sales are probably from parents for their kids, for the few that don’t have internet by now, they won’t bother reading the requirements, like when they bought a 4gig xbox 360 not knowing they will have to upgrade their hard drive soon, which must be a microsoft hardrive. If they buy an xbox 720, then they won’t have a issue spending $30 a month for internet. People won’t care, they will pay for it.

    #15 1 year ago
  16. Nath_gamer

    @12 saying that what you said is the truth IS trolling.
    @13 That’s very true, a lot of my friends don’t even have means of connecting their system to the internet so making it mandatory would just be plain stupid.
    @14 haha good one.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. Joe_Gamer

    Neither M$ or Sony are making money with their game divisions, I don’t think either company has a fucking clue. That goes double for this Orth guy, I say stupid shit to my friends all the time…SAY…not post to the fucking internet for the whole world to see.

    #17 1 year ago
  18. redwood

    well.. I say screw you too m$, aint no body got time for that :P

    #18 1 year ago
  19. Ali

    I am surprised by this. I mean after years of poor performance and lack of focus when it comes to exclusive and stuff, tehy had the nerve to do that. Well, I ain’t buying.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. G1GAHURTZ

    I wouldn’t read too much into this, as the two of them have clearly both admitted that Orth was just trolling.

    He was looking for a rise, and he got one.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Zohar

    I know this guy is just being an idiot joking around with the other guy but his attitude and the fact itself that the next Xbox will require an always online connection is enough for me to make the decision not to give Microsfot my money this gen.

    #21 1 year ago
  22. zinc

    Well before the internet & rabid fanboys, there was an old saying about how “A lie will be half way around the world, before the truth has its boots on”.

    You’d think guys in his line of work would show a little more sense :-/

    #22 1 year ago
  23. heroes159

    Always on is not bad thing and its not new. I mean come on. Im mainly a PC player & im using Origin & steam both. I have to log into Steam everytime if i want to play a game. I know steam has a offline mode,but im not using it. because
    1. it wont save my achievements
    2.its wont save my gameplay time
    3. cloud save wont work & etc etc

    so last few years im using the Always online method. i know every one of my friends using this method. im sure most gamers in the world too. so i dont see a problem here if nextbox went always online.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. melonbuster1

    Ps4 is done. . Because the so called master race pc is always on now. So come over fake master race thelight is always on lol. Xbox720 will do it again!

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Samoan Spider

    @19 thanks for that lol, I had to go watch that video to hear her say it!

    On topic, for me it makes no odds because my internet is always on and so are the devices on the network. That said it may hurt sales if they commit to it. But steam requires always on internet yet has an offline mode with online being for activation and social/mp features. Why cant that work here? And people saying ms is dead because of this can you link me an article from Sony saying they are not doing this?

    @23 well said

    #25 1 year ago
  26. Lord Gremlin

    Sony has won next gen. This IS the third console curse. PS1 nice, PS2 ridiculous success, PS3 struggle. xbox ok, x360 wild success, x720 struggle.

    #26 1 year ago
  27. KAP

    MS can say in order of buying a 720 we need everyone’s first born of every household and MS fan boys will STILL justify that shit.. It’s quite sad actually.

    Sony always gets a bad rap. Lets imagin this news were headed for Sony’s new console? you all would Treat this news as gospel.

    The fact that Brenna said what she said in her comment just made me think… Really?
    Simcity didn’t just happen? No? smfh..

    The less components in the box we rely on to play a game the better. Adding an Internet connection just complicate the narrative further.

    #27 1 year ago
  28. The_Red

    The main problem isn’t just the connection part on consumer’s side. MS will have to add always active servers for ALL of its games because those games will be checking the connection all the time.

    Imagine when servers are shut down are in the maintenance. You CAN use your mobile phone or tablet even when there is no reception or connection but you won’t be able to do the same with Xbox 3 if they go this route.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. mojo

    #9
    “Maybe always-on devices could finally kick ISP’s into gear.”

    lolwut?
    i have always online devices for 15 years now. they are called computers.
    and nothing kicked into gear. it even gets worse here as the biggest ISP in my country tries to incorporate data caps into its offers.
    Which renders the sole idea of always online pointless.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. aseddon130

    The next xbox is going to have to be something special to justify all this, if this combined with always required Kinect is real, then even i will go back to Playstation. This is suicide if i have ever seen it!

    #30 1 year ago
  31. Lord Gremlin

    Anyway, people who don’t believe it….
    They released Windows 8. Yeah, I know. They had this Start interface that was pretty much a stranglehold on market. And they just fucked it up.
    A company that can release Win 8 for real can release an always-on console. This will be their SECOND suicide. Most people didn’t try Linux or OSX because they were used to 1 solid interface, desktop + start. And then MS decided to suicide.

    #31 1 year ago
  32. Vice

    Oh come on I don’t believe they can be that stupid. They’ll lose the console war right away with always-online requirement.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. Richenbaum

    @#32 Have you actually used Windows 8? Because it’s still desktop + start right behind the optional metro crap. I know everyone likes to make believe that the pane thing is now the entire OS, but that’s just a myth. The start menu just fills the screen now instead of a little menu. It’s really not that different. Especially when you remove all the typical new computer junk from it and replace it with your own progs.

    That aside though, and even though I love my 360, if “720″ were to really end up being unable to play my damn games any time there was an internet connection problem, then I guess it’d be time to go back to Sony…

    #33 1 year ago
  34. redwood

    hey Dave, what do you think? will m$ have always on internet? do you think it will be a good idea on their part?

    #34 1 year ago
  35. Lord Gremlin

    @33 and @34 It’s the first impression and initial experience that matters. Win 8 sells very poorly because it will always show this Metro interface first. And for most people that’s a dealbreaker.
    MS can and will screw up. They think they can make console with same requirements as Stream on PC. And it’s gonna fail.

    #35 1 year ago
  36. Paranormal Pett

    Yep, I will deal with it, by not buying your console. Idiot.

    What a PR disaster, going to be interesting to see what happens next.

    #36 1 year ago
  37. BrahManDude

    well ill just get a ps4 and a pc to deal with it

    #37 1 year ago
  38. Richenbaum

    Well sure just like Vista was crap. 7 was better of course, but this is hardly the downfall of MS everyone is making it out to be.

    #38 1 year ago
  39. MadFlavour

    “Deal with it”.

    Deal with it I will sir, by not buying your shitty fucking product.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. sg1974

    @8. He was referring to console success in the next generation. You’re talking about something else. And if you think Sony is about to fold you are silly.

    As for third place, try second. General consensus is that the PS3 caught and passed the 360 last year on global sales – and that’s without factoring the number of retail-replaced RRoDs in MS’ sales figures.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. sykodelic ninja

    Wow, worst past 2 days in a long time. Lucasarts gone, all star wars games permanently or temporarily shelved, and now Microsoft not listening to consumers? What sort of marketing is that, showing complete disregard to consumers. I for one will be moving to PC and maybe buy ps4 if I want a console because I’m not giving my service to people who blatantly ignore consumer demand and respond in such an indifferent way. Microsoft hasn’t lost the console wars yet, but when sale aren’t as high as expected, heads will roll.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. DrDamn

    @Francis
    “I’m not trolling Sony, I’m just telling the truth.”

    This is an article about MS and the feasibility of an always on requirement for a console, so yeah you kind of are. Whatever the truth it’s not really relevant to the article is it?

    MS keep stats on the connectedness of their current user base, and it’s people with good connections they are going to presumably make the most money from. Still think it will be some sort of middle ground though.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. harr0w

    I’ve been using STEAM for years so I don’t see the problem really. As far as Sony goes I’ve seen no mention of there online strategy for next gen because it was weirdly absent from there NY presser, I certainly bet it turns subs based that’s for sure. There’s also no reason why MS couldn’t have an offline mode if the rumour turns out to be true. But it isn’t the end of the world if did turn out to be fact. But who cares I’m a PC elitist master race bastard who cares not for the ramblings of lesser beings ;)

    #43 1 year ago
  44. sykodelic ninja

    @25 I have a PC because I’m slowly moving away from consoles and guess what? When I’m connected to the internet: I play games. When the internet is down: I play games. The same applies to console; internet is not required to enjoy games. I played bioshock infinite 100% offline, because it’s an offline game. Now can you imagine if you were required to be online to play a single player game? I think you’ll agree it’s preposterous. It’s like requiring a spork to eat soup even though you already have a spoon to eat it. It only helps in 50% of the scenarios where you need a fork, and the other 50% it pisses you off because you have a spoon but aren’t allowed to eat with it.

    tl;dr

    this business move is not the smartest move.

    Also, I’m a PC elitist but I care about console quality because most people aren’t fortunate enough to afford a PC, so I don’t believe they should get such a crappy deal. Also, PC’s are better and the only reason why everyone doesn’t have one is because they are expensive. So, to any console elitists, don’t dis PC because you’d have one if they weren’t expensive.

    #44 1 year ago
  45. mistermogul

    If Nextbox requires always on then they have lost me to PS4. Simples.

    #45 1 year ago
  46. DGOJG

    No one else commenting on his response to people who live in rural areas? “Why would you live there?”

    #46 1 year ago
  47. karma

    And they actually expect to sell this catastrophe waiting to happen?

    Right now i’m enjoying my xbox gaming, but I already decided to move to a competitor next gen. Even if they paid me to have a permanent internet connection, I still wouldn’t go MS again. Those guys are going nowhere fast when it comes to gaming.

    #47 1 year ago
  48. harr0w

    I wonder how many of you are 360 owners with gold subscription. I wonder how many of you flip a tit when you can’t get on life be for some reason or other hmmmm.

    #48 1 year ago
  49. sykodelic ninja

    @49 Gold for 4 years here and still paying even though I’m 98% PC gamer. If I can’t get on live and that’s what I wanted at the time I’m annoyed for 5 minutes, but what about when I don’t want to go on live? I’m never pissed because it isn’t required. However those problems for not being able to access live now will still exist on the 720, at least most of them. So people will “flip a tit” even more if online is always required because there will be scenarios where people can’t access live yet don’t want to. However they’d be forced to be on live to play a game irrelevant to live. This ultimately means if you can’t access live on 720 then you aren’t even allowed to shoot a wall

    #49 1 year ago
  50. viralshag

    I actually agree with him. And really he is just stating what is essentially true, almost all smart devices are always connected now, why shouldn’t consoles follow suit?

    Would you buy a PC, smartphone, or tablet that had no way to connect to the internet? And when you do own one of those devices, how often do you find yourself trying to get a connection or better connection, over trying to disconnect and be offline?

    Good to see drama for the sake of drama isn’t dead.

    #50 1 year ago
  51. Diingo

    Microsoft died last October when they launched Windows 8.

    They’re done. Plain and simple.

    They’re losing marketshare by the day – Windows 8 is doing worse than Vista. There is no recovery, this isn’t pre-iPhone era where they could push through a shitty OS release. Google will make one final blow to Microsoft when they announce a beefed up Chrome OS that will merge the worlds of Android & traditional Linux.

    #51 1 year ago
  52. No_PUDding

    Can’t fucking believe it.

    Honestly, this is like not good. Good lord, I hope Sony doesmt follow suit.

    #52 1 year ago
  53. DrDamn

    @Viralshag
    It does depend to an extent how gimped your system is when it is offline. We haven’t actually had very much which reliably says you can’t do anything. More speculation and conjecture.

    Consoles are certainly enhanced by being connected, and any nextgen console should be designed around being “always on” as a concept, to maximise this feature. However who gains from the console effectively being useless without a connection? For something like a mobile that is expected, for a console for which a lot of people still want a compelling single player experience it would be a very brave decision. The gains for taking that route are all for the manufacturer and publisher, not the consumer.

    Still think this is all about the console being designed to best take advantage of an always-on connection and not depending entirely on one. That’s a good thing.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. zinc

    @51, Well, true, but this isn’t about buying a device that can’t connect, it’s about buying a device that essentially won’t work if it’s not connected. Which is not the same is it?

    Whether this is true or not remains to he seen, though what is true, is that this guys *joke* has riled some people up…

    Maybe he’ll suggest people should get a second job to be able to afford decent internet next? I’m sure that’ll go down well :-P

    #54 1 year ago
  55. Samoan Spider

    @52 Nothing will merge the worlds of Android and Linux. That ship sailed a long time ago now. Your comment is misguided and not to mention entirely based on wishful thinking

    Edit: And just before you say it, I know there’s a physical code merge, I’m talking about the worlds!

    #55 1 year ago
  56. viralshag

    @54/55, I totally get that and my reply is more about his actual statement than the Xbox always being connected. Like you both said, this isn’t a confirmation of anything but I think what he says about “the world we live in” is dead accurate.

    I’ve said it before, it would be silly to always require a connection but at the same time I think it would be less of a problem for a lot of folks than people may think.

    If it turns out to be a dead plastic box when there is no connection, then yeah, that is stoopid.

    #56 1 year ago
  57. Erthazus

    If that’s the case, then Sony pretty much won the console race without even games on the system.

    #57 1 year ago
  58. Gadzooks!

    I don’t understand the silence from MS on Nextbox.

    They are obviously aware of the groundswell of negative perception, but are not doing anything to assuage fears.

    It really is the exact opposite of the start of last gen. MS won’t have the blind brand loyalty required to weather the storm like Sony did though.

    They need to pull a sabre-tooth cat out the bag to get back any confidence from gamers. And pretty damn quickly. NOT IN FUCKING MAY!!

    #58 1 year ago
  59. harr0w

    @50 I get what saying but you could say the problem already exists but in a slightly different guise no?

    #59 1 year ago
  60. Erthazus

    I see Steambox eating MS’s console pie in US while PS4 will do really good everywhere out there (EU, JP)

    Good Move Microsoft. No one need’s your shitty games, services and always-online piece of shit.

    #60 1 year ago
  61. The_Red

    @Erthazus
    The only way this could work for MS is to fully transform Xbox and simply forget about the “game console” part. MS could release a $99 system for TV, internet and other media uses along with 2-3 subscription that is targeting the non-gaming audiences who don’t know any better.

    If that’s the case, even the Xbox name could change.

    #61 1 year ago
  62. viralshag

    I think forumites like us really need to start seeing the bigger picture and realise that we, and others like us that comment and read these articles, are not the majority of people that buy games and consoles.

    Otherwise the Wii wouldn’t have sold, COD would flop and D3 wouldn’t always be online and still sell millions of copies.

    #62 1 year ago
  63. roadkill

    Lol!! Ownd bitches!!

    #63 1 year ago
  64. PC_PlayBoy

    Consoles are dying…deal with it.

    #64 1 year ago
  65. The_Red

    @65
    You do realize that PCs pioneered this with Diablo 3 and SimCity? And it was PC gaming community that bought millions of copies of both, resulting in more publisher interest in always-online?

    #65 1 year ago
  66. Samoan Spider

    @65 Give it a rest, its getting boring now. Mobiles are dying, consoles are dying, PCs are dying blah blah blah……….

    #66 1 year ago
  67. MidlifeAxe

    Hey Microsoft, gamers don’t want an always-online connection. Deal with it.

    @45 “because most people aren’t fortunate enough to afford a PC” So you’re saying if you don’t have a gaming PC then you’re poor? Some people may be able to afford three top end gaming PCs but don’t because they don’t want the hassle and enjoy the console experience more.

    @66 Haha. “Hey, we’ve shafted your community for years, but thanks for the great idea!” “Oh…. right…. you’re welcome… muahahahahahh”

    #67 1 year ago
  68. Dark

    http://t.qkme.me/3tpl21.jpg

    #68 1 year ago
  69. Moonwalker1982

    @51

    I see your point. But do you also mean that’s it’s ok you can’t play a game or use an app if your ISP is giving you problems? Cause i find that pretty terrible and bullshit. I also don’t believe that’s what this ‘always online’ thing means. Lots of folks, especially on NeoGAF automaticaly jumped to that conclusion but i highly doubt MS is going to do that. Pretty much anyone that doesn’t have an internet connection won’t be able to play games on it?

    I think this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion in the media now.

    #69 1 year ago
  70. roadkill

    @65 They are right. As much as it pains me I have to admit that the fault lies with us as well. Well, not me. I have a backbone. But think how many people bought Diablo 3. Those are the lowest and/or the most idiotic people. Those are the ones that got on their knees and decided to s**k the corporate c**k.

    #70 1 year ago
  71. viralshag

    @70, Like I said in my #57 post I was referring more to his point about the world becoming more and more “always-on”.

    With regards to having a console that ONLY works when and always connected to the internet is slightly on the side of crazy. I can’t stress enough that for me PERSONALLY I don’t find this an issue. If I couldn’t play on my new Xbox because the net was down, I would simply do something else.

    @71, Says the guy who loves a game that constantly requires an internet connection in the form of GW2. It might be a game built around being connected to the internet and different to D3 in terms of gamplay but you’re still a reason as to why this sort of thing is not seen as big deal. You’re still part of the “always-connected” generation.

    #71 1 year ago
  72. G1GAHURTZ

    Like you, viral, obviously, this isn’t an issue for me, because I pretty much only play online games, anyway.

    SP just doesn’t really do it for me anymore…

    Still, as I said before, this is just some INDIVIDUAL trying to troll his buddy.

    The fact that he works for MS, was obviously enough for the gaming press to jump on it, with all sorts of creative headlining.

    I seriously doubt that MS would even consider doing it, at least until there was an adequate, worldwide, online infrastructure for them to work with.

    #72 1 year ago
  73. OlderGamer

    I can only think that by MS not stepping forward to squash this, that there is something to it.

    I am torn.

    Viral is right to a point. If my isp goes down, so does my cable TV(TWC). If my power goes out I can’t use anything anyways. However, it also means that I can’t take my system camping, to a couple of my friends house. How many kids won’t be able to play at grandmas? And what if I just don’t have internet? Some people don’t. It is just an entire sandbox of what ifs and bad situations.

    And the bioggest question I have is why? Why do something like this? Even Steam has an offline mode. I can take my PC to my moms(who has an air card) and play Civ V without a connection.

    This type of thinking reminds me of the same type of thinking that put a real money auction hall in Diablo III. And now bliz has admited to that being a bad idea. This always on, always checking for a isp conection in order to play offline experiences is also a bad idea.

    There is zero benefit for the consumer. Remember them? They are the pillers that your company stands on, without them you don’t sell xboxes or games to. The benifits could be many for MS, namely control. Over both pricing and avalibilty. The Elder Scrolls 12 comes out, and MS shut down suport for TES 11 because they want you to stop playing it and buy the new one. Pretty nice. 10 years from now when the generation has moved on, you are not able to play a single thing from your xb720. I still play my retro systems. I have a SNES sitting next to me at my desk, was playing FF Mystic Quest yesterday. No lie.

    EA already retires older sports servers from online play, but you can still continue your dynasty modes offline. This year in Madden they were pushing hard for connected cariers. A SP mode that only works when connected online. Guess what, I already had problems with it. At least they included an offline version, altho it was gimped.

    I can, and have seen this type of thing coming for awhile. I just don’t like it.

    If, and I am still awaiting for MS to officaly annouce something other then this PR guy getting fired, if MS puts this into their systems. I won’t buy one. I hope Sony doesn’t follow suit, I won’t buy that either.

    If they do, then it is a WiiU and a PC for me. Maybe a handheld.

    #73 1 year ago
  74. Samoan Spider

    @74 Most big companies now don’t comment on rumours. It’s pretty standard practice. I wouldn’t expect a peep from them until the reveal. They’re either shitting themselves because of the backlash and are going to rethink, or they aren’t intending on doing this and are certain that they have something so big up their sleeve, this furore won’t matter. Time will tell. I do however expect someone to get fired or at least helped out the door. Not a very bright spark there for a creative director!

    #74 1 year ago
  75. Moonwalker1982

    @72

    I can see your point about doing something else if you can’t play a game, but the whole idea alone of playing a singleplayer game and your ISP starts to give your shit, something you can do nothing about…and then the Xbox simply exits the game or something…nah i got no words for that. It’s not so much that i fear that i will get a lot of internet troubles, but come on man. I don’t like mandatory stuff like that. Not saying i won’t buy it if this is the case, but already a few of my friends will ignore the new Xbox if that’s the case.

    @74

    Only reason i can think of is that this goes fully against piracy. But then again….what can be made, can also be broken. I bet that hackers will eventually find a way to get it to play offline games as well. Honestly…i don’t see MS going this way.

    #75 1 year ago
  76. OlderGamer

    @75, 76 agreed.

    If I was MS I would get a little info out there tho. All of the snarky posters saying it isn’t that bad and we all have isps won’t be enough to stop something like this from doing damage.

    #76 1 year ago
  77. Digital Bamboo

    I’m not even sure how to respond to this. Orth’s comments seem so dickish it almost defies belief. This guy is actually employed by a massive corporation and allowed to speak to current/potential customers this way? Was he drunk?

    #77 1 year ago
  78. viralshag

    @77, It could just as easily be said that the doomsday naysayers thinking this is the end of the next Xbox are such a minority that this won’t matter at all.

    Look at D3, so many people cried and screamed on the internet that they wouldn’t buy the game and was sure it would flop because of always online. 12 million copies later, yeah, it might not be the critically acclaimed hit they wanted but it was sure enough doesn’t seem a “failure”.

    #78 1 year ago
  79. Moonwalker1982

    @77

    Indeed man. There has to be a way to say something about it, while not really confirming anything about a new Xbox (although we all know better) and just calming folks down. The messed up thing is though…weren’t Orth’s tweets in reply to the rumours of yesterday? Those rumours DID state…no game if connection is down/have no internet. I just don’t get a few other things either. Microsoft’s Aaron Greenberg on Twitter stating that he doesn’t know who this Orth guy is.

    Also, didn’t those recent rumours state that MS can disable the the whole always online thing whenever they want? I bet IF this was their intention…their plan, that they won’t continue with it after this negative backlash from the media.

    #79 1 year ago
  80. DSB

    @79 If you think Blizzard or EA are thrilled by their recent disasters, you’re kidding yourself. They severely damaged both of their brands, and they obviously know it.

    Microsoft doing the same to a brand the size of a console is just unthinkable.

    A launch is supposed to be a victory, not a case of frantic and desperate damage control. Jay Wilson did everything BUT apologize for Diablo 3. No matter which way you look at it, that’s a major defeat for a company of that size.

    Simcity and Diablo are now synonymous with always-online DRM disasters, not great games. Shareholders being happy doesn’t save the brand. They won’t be the ones to buy it the second time around.

    #80 1 year ago
  81. viralshag

    @81, And yet the announcement that D3 and cooperation with Blizzard for the PS4 seemed to be welcomed. So somehow I think the “disaster of D3″ is more associated to game site commenters and forumites, who are the same people who make the most noise about the topic of “always-on” and yet seem to have little to no impact it seems.

    People still buy the games. Just like I’m sure if this turns out to be true, will still buy the consoles.

    #81 1 year ago
  82. monkeygourmet

    lol

    And all this is WITHOUT knowing anything about the quality of R&D on the new machine.

    We already heard some of the chips were proving difficult to manufacture in bulk:

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/366853/chip-problems-could-delay-xbox-720s-planned-september-2013-launch/

    Now this…

    Even if zero machines fail, but the updates of patches / OS features stumble because of internet connections going down, we could be in for an absolute shitstorm on launch.

    Imagine how many people will be stressing the servers on launch with games like COD etc… Updating there profiles etc…

    Then Kinect 2.0′s installation and getting that set up in your living room / bedroom all while needing an internet connection.

    All this is going to be soooooo hard for MS to get running smoothly, it’s going to be a miracle if they pull it off providing even half these rumours are true…

    #82 1 year ago
  83. viralshag

    @83, So you think the majority of people that buy a PS4 wouldn’t connect to the internet, download all their updates and start trying out the social sharing aspects that’s new to the PS4 and the MP?

    Not to mention that will be done (as far as we know) using an infrastructure based on a free service. I would be surprised if the PS4 doesn’t have similar problems.

    #83 1 year ago
  84. DSB

    @82 Dude, they’re launching it WITHOUT those features.

    It’s an unconditional surrender.

    Which is just even more reason why you wouldn’t want to do that to your console, or your game, in the first place.

    And if those people didn’t have any impact, then Jay Wilson would never have had to write that post.

    #84 1 year ago
  85. monkeygourmet

    @84

    Im not saying that atall, def not.

    I think the PS4 will be in a similar place, also I don’t believe all the touted features will even be available a year or so after launch.

    I think Gaikai intergration will prove extremly tricky and lacklustre for the average user, along with the fact that your previous games won’t run or look any better than they did on your old PS3, plus you will have to re-purchase or ‘hire’ them.

    I also don’t think Sony has shown it’s full hand yet, they have dodged quite a few questions surrounding these subjects and provided vaugue answers on the extent of 2nd hand play etc…

    I also think the service won’t be ‘free’ as people like to think it will be.

    The only reason I feel MS is in a more difficult spot is because they haven’t actually announced anything yet, and poisonous rumours are building up.

    It just means, when they finally show something, it better be damn good otherwise it will not be able to combat the bad press that has been reported.

    Sony have the luxary of homing in on the ‘nice’ things about PS4, ‘Yay, it’s Dev friendly’ etc…

    That’s always easier if you go ‘first’.

    #85 1 year ago
  86. viralshag

    @85, Yes but if there was that much “damage” done no one would care about the game or Blizzard working with Sony. If it doesn’t fit the model then why include it? What does it matter if they made it always on or not for the console?

    The bottom line is despite this bad rep it has, the game still sells. As far as I know, you still need to be constantly connected and I’m sure they didn’t sell that many copies at launch when people were less informed about it (if you can ever consider people less informed).

    You can put all the gamer-hate-evil-company spin on it all you want but clearly, a lot of people simply don’t care about the same “issues” as the hardcore gamer crowd.

    #86 1 year ago
  87. TheBlackHole

    I don’t get the issue – the generation that comes along after this will likely be digital only, and so online or not, there will be no second hand, no sharing copies. All of these complaints will be irrelevant. It’s also likely that any titles downloaded via Xbox Live will be playable on or offline, as they are already authenticated and embedded on the console, so that’s another good reason for MS to do this and encourage people to buy direct.

    I also love how most of the people who are complaining probably have internet on ALL THE TIME at home, and probably spend most of their time online.

    Can I ask, are there any people here who play PC games and turn their internet off while they do so?

    #87 1 year ago
  88. DSB

    @87 The fact that they’re apologizing for a game that sold 7 million says it all in my opinion. Why on earth would you want to do that if you didn’t have to?

    Were they bored with the lack of drama? I think they were very concerned with protecting their brand. Selling 7 million is great, but I’m sure you’d like to be able to do it a second time.

    Of course the brand won’t be as damaged on consoles as it is on the PC. A lot of those guys weren’t there to see it.

    How about news on an expansion? Surely, they’d want to follow up something as succesful as the world-beating Diablo 3, right? Right?!

    #88 1 year ago
  89. monkeygourmet

    @87

    Or they want a product so badly they can’t help but purchase it.

    If this had been on a lesser game no one cared about, everyone would have said ‘No thanks’…

    Games like COD and Diablo 3 always find it easier to push things like DRM or Subscription services as people are basically addicted.

    Sad case of affairs maybe, but thats how it works.

    #89 1 year ago
  90. G1GAHURTZ

    I agree with viral.

    Despite all of this noise, as long as MS offer up a compelling gaming experience, I’m sure that they will sell just as many ‘online only’ 720′s as they would if it allowed offline play (which I’m sure it will, anyway).

    Even if their customer base shifted slightly sideways, I’m sure that the sales would still be there.

    Look how many people play online games without caring about this stuff.

    WoW, CoD, SC2, etc, etc… Millions upon millions of paying customers who are capable of maintaining an online connection.

    However, this is all pretty irrelevant, because its just traffic driving, rumour and speculation that we’re talking about.

    #90 1 year ago
  91. DSB

    I hope they do. It’s gonna be the best show since the Hindenburg.

    #91 1 year ago
  92. viralshag

    @86, I just think the whole rumour thing is only cared about by people like us, the guys and girls that check gaming news regularly. I think in the long run, the large majority of people that will probably buy a console won’t even be aware of all that was said pre-launch. They’re probably just waiting for an official announcement date if anything.

    Just look at all the comments made on these sites, you really think the “average” console owner actually cares that much about any of this crap?

    At the end of the day, whoever launches with the bigger marketing budget will get the better head start. Not who looks after their devs the best or cares about indies or has free online.

    #92 1 year ago
  93. zinc

    Just a quick question. But wouldn’t having a always on device quickly eat into the internet allowance of people with Data caps?

    Especially if it’s a system that’s constantly monitoring your playstyle & lining up downloads you might be interested in?

    #93 1 year ago
  94. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ Online gaming takes a maximum of around 40MB every hour, so if the only other additional traffic was some authentication checks, it probably wouldn’t add much more.

    #94 1 year ago
  95. monkeygourmet

    @93

    I know what you mean. Sometimes it’s hard to forget not everyone cares about all this stuff.

    That also brings it’s own problems though.

    MS knows that.

    Alot of shitty business practices and ideas have been born because the average ‘joe’ doesn’t care…

    Soon, the landscape can become quite far removed from what it originally was.

    A big deal with EA, subscriptions, always on internet, Kinect 2.0 always on, adverts, Pay to play / Win, Season Passes, games cut into sections for DLC etc…

    are all things I hate about the current gaming scene or put me off the new Xbox. Obviously I hoped to be proved wrong, but it seems MS is embracing all these techniques to use in the next gen.

    The 360 has certainly been a good ‘warm up’ for them.

    #95 1 year ago
  96. viralshag

    @96, I just think MS has more of an idea what it can get away with. I don’t think that makes them a “bad” company.

    I’m just waiting until they announce the actual machine and all of its features before I get worked up/disappointed/really excited about it.

    I’m hoping the next Xbox will get me more excited than the PS4 has so far… if it doesn’t, the PC and my 360 will do just fine.

    #96 1 year ago
  97. BHAZ0

    Lets get one thing straight. Just because the system is AlWAYS ONLINE, doesn’t mean the game has to. That is a choice the developer/studio has to make and for so many of you to rage on MS for making the feature availble seems a little childish to me. Complain to your favorite game studios to not use it…

    #97 1 year ago
  98. DSB

    @97 So Windows 8 is doing well then? :P

    #98 1 year ago
  99. monkeygourmet

    @97

    Exactly the same for me.

    At first I thought the PS4 sounded cool, but now im not so fussed.

    I really hope that if MS go down this road, they provide some great reason to make it worth it.

    Ideally for me, that would include:

    More power than PS4
    A huuuuuge line up of games they have been sitting on
    Kinect that actually works
    More Indie support
    Ability to transfer your XBLA stuff
    Backwards compatibility

    If they could get alot of that stuff sorted, I would easily buy day 1.

    #99 1 year ago
  100. viralshag

    @100, BC and transferring Live purchases will be a big thing for me. If I can’t move over movies and digital games I will be hugely disappointed. I’m hoping the money I have put into Live and MS points will also pay for a service that is transferable from one console to the next. If it’s not and my Live profile, or whatever it will be on the Nextbox, starts from scratch I might just write it off.

    If it does have those things, as well as being a decent machine that interests me, it will be a day one.

    #100 1 year ago
  101. roadkill

    @71 Lol what? You’re saying that an MMO should not require an internet connection? Are you actually really completely RETARDED? Wait! Don’t answer that question! It’s rhetorical.

    #101 1 year ago
  102. monkeygourmet

    @101

    With the 720 architecture being hopefully similar to the 360, I would hope BC would be possible.

    I hope at least on the same level of Xbox 1 to 360. The only problem I see, would be the allure of re-selling you Gears of War 1 in 1080p!!! all over again, or something to that effect.

    This is one area where MS could easily trump Sony though. The PS4 won’t be able to play PS3 games, and even through Gaikai it’s going to be patchy to say the least…

    Transfering things live XBLA games should be easily possible, and I would be plenty pissed if they didn’t let me.

    I have over 50 games on XBLA now and don’t want to leave the machine and pads plugged in just to play Trails.

    Speaking of pads, I really hope the old ones work with the new machine too, that way i’ll be able to do 4 player right out of the box using my original 360 pads.

    #102 1 year ago
  103. Djoenz

    Just deal with it man

    #103 1 year ago
  104. monkeygourmet

    Has anyone posted this yet? :)

    http://i.imgur.com/juDiybQ.jpg

    #104 1 year ago
  105. Samoan Spider

    @105 lol quality comment!

    #105 1 year ago
  106. Djoenz

    @105
    Wahaha epic.

    #106 1 year ago
  107. viralshag

    @102, I’m completely unsurprised that you miss the point. Shall I try to break it down for you a little more? MMOs are a popular genre, they require a constant connection to the internet, this gives developers and publishers more control over content and security (with regards to piracy, supposedly),this “feature” has already been adopted by other games in different genres (D3, Simcity) and now it is being adopted by console manufacturers (rumour). Whether intentionally or not, you are part of the “always connected” crowd, just in a different sense.

    @103, That was the reason I got rid of my PS3. I didn’t want to have that massive black block sitting around every time I wanted to play a few of the games I really enjoyed. As soon as they said there was no BC at all, I figured it would be a PS4 or nothing.

    I’m probably going to trade my old 360 in if I decide to get a new one (depending on the factors mentioned before) which will mean at least one pad will have to go with it (I have a second I keep for the PC).

    #107 1 year ago
  108. Cobra951

    The comparison to cell phones is stupid. (I won’t even get into the brain-dead vacuum-cleaner/electricity analogy.) As a friend posted recently, those are burst-use devices. It doesn’t much matter if the connection gets spotty now and then. Consoles often get used continuously for hours. Artificially tethering that to an online connection is a big step backward for the user. I, for one, won’t take it.

    Consider what it’s about too. It’s not about giving you anything better. It’s about taking away all your control in your own gaming environment. Think about what happens now when an update is deployed (to a game or to the system itself). You are disconnected, and told that in order to reconnect, you must accept the update. What if you don’t want to? Now, you have that choice, and you can continue playing offline. You have that *control*.

    This is more than theoretical to me. I’ve often put off updates on games until I was sure that it was something that I wanted, or that I could at least live with. For example, my copy of XBLA Minecraft is still at 1.7. 1.8 changed a lot of existing worlds for the worse, making their creators unhappy. I didn’t think the additions from 1.8 were worth the risk. I’m thinking of letting 1.9 through, but I haven’t done it yet. It is *my choice*, which I’ll make when I’m good and ready, not when I’m forced to.

    #108 1 year ago
  109. OlderGamer

    I am in same boat as you Viral, and prolly legions of other gamers, about the BC. It is a deal breaker. I can prolly deal with MS, deal with always on, even deal with Gold, if I don’t lose all of my xbla/indie/games on demand/and dlc. If that stuff is off the table…then I really have some soul searching to do as a gamer.

    Lack of BC has hurt my PS4 outlook.

    Last gen BC didn’t bother me at all. But this gen has been so long, and the games aren’t just disc based trip A stuff. I have a mega ton, well over MGs 50 games, I think, for my xb360. I want to bring it forward.

    #109 1 year ago
  110. DSB

    @108 Actually Ubisoft was the early adopter, but as you’ll note, they’ve now left the entire thing for dead. It took them something like 4-5 ruined games, but they eventually came around.

    EA and Activision are still only at one each.

    @109 And that’s why it’s gonna fail. Games as a service only makes sense as long as you actually provide people with a service. So far, all publishers have provided are terrible launches and dodgy gaming experiences.

    #110 1 year ago
  111. OlderGamer

    Good post Cobra.

    #111 1 year ago
  112. viralshag

    @OG, I’m still holding onto faith that MS will allow us to carry everything over. I can’t imagine they would build Live into what it is, only to start all over again. If that truly was the case then yeah, I would seriously rethink gaming on consoles.

    @111, It’s more than just DRM now though. Games like Simcity are being built around the whole idea. Granted, D3 and SC could still probably operate in the exact same way without a connection.

    It just depends if you want to buy the “connecting gamers” or “protecting developers” line. I think it’s a little bit of both and I really don’t mind it. The times I’m not connected to the internet are often the times I’m not that bothered about gaming.

    #112 1 year ago
  113. OlderGamer

    I hope you are right Viral. I know a lot of folks are just venting right now(me included). But I plan to wait and see for more info about both PS4 and XBnxt before I commit or throw in the towel. Just like, i am sure, you are too.

    #113 1 year ago
  114. DSB

    I remember when ticket companies started going online, and people were consistently breaking their shit every time a big band came to town.

    The lesson has really been pretty simple for those companies: You plan your infrastructure according to the worst case scenario, and nothing else matters.

    It’s the only way to keep a service like that running.

    You’d think someone like Blizzard would have a lot of experience with that. The WoW launches weren’t overly painful, but somehow they still managed to drop the ball.

    @111 How is it more than DRM? Everything those games do could be done without a persistent connection.

    I really wanted to believe it with Diablo 3 because I thought it was gonna push games forward, but you just aren’t getting anything that you aren’t getting in something like Torchlight.

    Simcity was a total bust. Aside from the broken mechanics you were left running towns instead of cities. If you’re trying to sell people on accepting the inconvenience, those games and their features should really be worth their while.

    #114 1 year ago
  115. Gheritt White

    The curse of the the third console strikes again. It’s like hubris sets after one and two, especially if #2 was wildly popular.

    #115 1 year ago
  116. viralshag

    @115, For someone who always asks for evolution in gaming this is partly it, whether you happen to like it or not and whether or not it is actually a step forward. Connecting gamers might not be something new and yes, there may be agendas behind it but it is what it is.

    Gaming is so much more of social experience than it once was and I honestly think connected gaming is the way forward. If you want to hold on to disconnected, SP experiences where it’s you, a TV and a gaming machine… then I really don’t know what sort of “evolution” in gaming you expect outside of new control input, like motion control but that wasn’t what we wanted either so as far as we’re all concerned it can burn in the fire.

    It really doesn’t surprise me that there is nothing new in gaming as anything that is new is often not as good as the old days, a step backwards, or inconvenient to “real gamers” in some shape or form. No matter how much it actually fits into the way the rest of the world is moving.

    #116 1 year ago
  117. OlderGamer

    Torchlight ftw!

    Great game, 1/3rd the cost, no DRM or RMAH.

    And Torchlight II was just on sale on Steam for 9.95usd

    #117 1 year ago
  118. Kabby

    An always online requirement is stupid for any system. Yes, Steam also sucks the big one when you want to play your games. The distribution and auto-update is handy but I don’t give a shit about this stuff when I am playing a game.

    The only real reason to force online connectivity is when software requires the real time participation of other people. Every other scenario can be mitigated; with online being relegated to an optional sync when you want feature.

    Always online is anti-consumer and imposes restrictions on your leisure time that you have paid to enjoy.

    #118 1 year ago
  119. Cobra951

    @117: The world of investors and big business, you mean. It’s certainly no boon for you or me, or the rest of the gamer world.

    Evolution is a word that implies positive change. This would be negative change for users.

    #119 1 year ago
  120. DSB

    @117 What I want is better games.

    If your always-online DRM isn’t a contribution towards that, then I see no reason to support it.

    That’s the entire problem here. Publishers want games to be a service for the money, but they’re failing miserably when it comes to actually crafting that service.

    It’s like they’re trying to force a concept without ever bothering to justify its existence. It didn’t work for Ubisoft. It’s not gonna work for Activision or EA.

    It’s put up or shut up, in my opinion.

    I don’t see myself as reactionary. I still believe in a future for cloud gaming, and I supported Diablo 3 right up until the point where I realized that the “service” part was all smoke and mirrors.

    #120 1 year ago
  121. viralshag

    @120, It completely depends on who you ask. If it’s true and the Nextbox launches with an always-on requirement and it turns out to be complete and utter shit for me, I’ll happily admit that it’s a shit system.

    Until I get confirmation of exactly what the deal is and how it would negatively impact me, I’m not going to say it’s a step backwards.

    I don’t even think we can use D3 or Simcity as example to why always-on connection is bad. Ok, so we might have had a smoother launch but there’s nothing to say they would have been completely mediocre games without the always-on stuff.

    #121 1 year ago
  122. DSB

    But even if they had been perfectly good games, they would’ve still been held back by it. That’s hardly a great proof of concept.

    Ask Ubisoft about that. Granted, their slate hasn’t been amazing, but Assassins Creed II was kinda alright, and Settlers 7 was actually pretty good, when you could actually play it.

    #122 1 year ago
  123. OlderGamer

    @Cobra I agree 100%

    EDIT:

    Ya know what nvm. Typical interwebz. Instead of focusing on the point, it is the wording or some other such detail gets all of the attention.

    #123 1 year ago
  124. viralshag

    @121, You’re not going to get it overnight though or without a few bumps in the road. Games like Destiny could offer something completely new to consoles and gamers that might never have experienced a scale of MMO gameplay. Or Dust 514 as another example, connecting two games on completely different platforms and genres.

    Both of those game examples would require you to always be connected and enjoy what they could offer, in terms of scale and connection between platforms. That is new and exciting, and a stepping stone to better things.

    (Fresh post, easier to see.)

    #124 1 year ago
  125. DSB

    @124 Are you fucking shitting me OG? Ford was somehow a model businessman?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

    If you were actually to find someone worse than Riccitiello and Kotick, that would pretty much be it.

    @125 I think that’s pretty liberal use of the term bump in the road. Ubisoft have paid a hefty price on their bottomline.

    #125 1 year ago
  126. GwynbleiddiuM

    Just came across this on GAF and it’s hilarious =))
    http://i.minus.com/iZ4Xc7uzxvJUA.gif

    #126 1 year ago
  127. viralshag

    @126, did Blizzard or EA get the same hit in their bottom line though? Sales for both games were decent compared to most game launches, better for D3 obviously.

    #127 1 year ago
  128. Samoan Spider

    @127 Someone has far too much time on their hands but that’s funny :P

    #128 1 year ago
  129. DSB

    @128 Time will tell. Purely looking at metrics, Diablo 3 is a glorious victory, and Simcity probably made some kind of money?

    I just don’t think those games are viewed as a great succes within those companies right now. Of course that’s guesswork, but I’ve never seen Blizzard respond to torches and pitchforks before. They were cool as a cucumber through all my years of WoW.

    Ubisoft didn’t get enough punishment until they had sent out something like 4-5 games if I recall correctly, so the war is certainly far from over.

    #129 1 year ago
  130. zinc

    @127, Thank you, that was great :-D

    #130 1 year ago
  131. viralshag

    @130, Maybe not but as I said, if both games shipped with the same content minus the always on, I still think they would be mediocre games.

    It’s just going to go down as one of those “maybe, maybe not” situations. I guess I still see potential in an constantly connected machine.

    #131 1 year ago
  132. deathm00n

    Well, last weekend I’ve tried to play online, I couldn’t, you know why? Because I don’t live in a country wich have a steady connection. In the weekends you need to be lucky to stay connected for more than 2 hours straight. Oh, and some people here have good connection, but they are capped every month with only 20gb. Don’t believe that because you have something everyone can have it.

    My ISP provider is so bad that everytime it rains there is no internet because of old wires, telephone wires people, there’s no optic fiber here. There’s no way anything that requires internet all the time would sell here. People may be average Joes, but they know what work and what don’t.

    #132 1 year ago
  133. Lord Luffy

    Jesus
    they can’t be that stupid could they?

    #133 1 year ago
  134. OlderGamer

    Don’t buy an XBnxt deathm00n. Get a WiiU or a PS4(depending on if they do or don’t follow suit with MS).

    And I am not having a go at you or your situation. I mean it. If this ends up being true, if I was you, I wouldn’t purchase MSs new system.

    #134 1 year ago
  135. deathm00n

    @135 Yeah I know, just posted this because people are saying this isn’t a big deal. Just showing how life is outside of the big countrys. I will get a PS4 for sure, always had playstation and I like it.

    #135 1 year ago
  136. Djoenz

    You’re from Brazil right Deathmoon?
    ps4 man!

    #136 1 year ago
  137. heroes159

    people need to remember something. in another 5-10 years everything will be always online. no matter what people say. we are in a world that everything becoming digital. so we need to change with the world. otherwise we all will be left behind. look how the world in 2003 & look how its on 2013 today. so we need to deal with it one way or another. today may not be the best time for a always online connection. but THE CHANGE IS COMING.

    #137 1 year ago
  138. Djoenz

    @138

    People need to know you always have a choice. Or be the damn sheep that stands idle and just goes with the flow.

    #138 1 year ago
  139. deathm00n

    @137 Yes I’m from Brazil. Everyone is going crazy about the PS4 here, and I can say they will not be happy about Xbox if it turns out being always online.

    It’s a big country (Only behind China and Russia isn’t it? Not good in geography) what @138 said is true, but still it takes a long time for technology to spread here. I have only 1 TV channel wich is HD and free, only people who wins more money than average can afford the paid TV with all channels in HD. 3G for cellphones were only installed last year in my city and it’s horrible. It’s a completely different scenario, THE CHANGE IS COMING SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE.

    #139 1 year ago
  140. The_Red

    MS Creative Dir: “Always-online is good. #DealWithIt”
    MS PR: “Who? Fuck him, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about”.

    #140 1 year ago
  141. DuckNation

    Haha yes! really this just keeps getting better

    #141 1 year ago
  142. Moonwalker1982

    MS says that his personal views are not reflective of the company, i still would have liked if they just said..no matter what the case folks, no truth to any of this. It’s still vague now.

    #142 1 year ago
  143. deathm00n

    @143 You are right, they didn’t said anything about this being true or not.

    #143 1 year ago
  144. Hybridpsycho

    @103
    Backwards compatibility isn’t an easy thing for anyone. It’s a HUGE limitation and I would just prefer that no one ever bothered doing it.

    #144 1 year ago
  145. GwynbleiddiuM

    @145 Not to mention the architecture of the new consoles are usually too much different compared to last gen, requires a whole team of programmers to literally port the games for the new system. Specially in playstation systems, from 2 to 3 and 2 and 3 to 4. It’s a headache for the devs and as you can see if they’re going to do that, they rather do a proper job by doing an HD remastered version, like GoW Collectiom, MGS HD collection, and list goes on.

    #145 1 year ago
  146. Da Man

    X720 will outsell every clunky Pos4 out there simply because once again it will have the best online, best videogames and best analog sticks.

    Socially isolated hardcore doesn’t count.

    #146 1 year ago
  147. Lengendaryboss

    @147 Outselling “Pos4″? i have never heard of it so good luck to it :D Outselling PS4 is undetermined at this point, but with MS marketing it can make it a success look at kinect.

    #147 1 year ago
  148. RandomTiger

    Heres my contribution:

    http://s12.postimg.org/dsvvnsd71/Always_Online.jpg

    #148 1 year ago
  149. monkeygourmet

    @145

    Why do you say that?

    Do you want to have all your consoles plugged in at the same time? It’s a bit of a pain in the ass.

    Also, it is a huge con making you repurchase things you already own; example PSP games on Vita.

    BC is a huge win for the consumer, and we don’t get many of those!

    #149 1 year ago
  150. Moonwalker1982

    English is not my mother language, but basically MS is saying ‘this guy works for us, but his personal view is not our view’ so basically they dont agree with always on is good and you should accept it?

    #150 1 year ago
  151. DSB

    @151 They’re saying he had an extremely uncomfortable chat with his immediate superiors very recently.

    But yeah, arguably he’s fanning a rumor that’s likely fake and not very good for Microsoft, and that might have something to do with it.

    #151 1 year ago
  152. Moonwalker1982

    Yeah and not very wise either. Christ, he’s from MS itself, if anything, support it but don’t do this stuff. I can’t wait for it to be late May, so all this stuff can finally be put to rest or actually confirmed, but i doubt that.

    #152 1 year ago
  153. tcc

    Given how much backlash it’s gotten, you’d think MS would deconfirm if the rumors were false.

    #153 1 year ago
  154. OlderGamer

    Exactly tcc. At the least, I bet they are rethinking where they stand on the issue. I hope so anyways.

    #154 1 year ago
  155. melonbuster1

    They said wait. If you don’t like it go watch the Ps4 reveal again. Lol and the piss poor tech demo for unreal 4. That was better on a year old pc. Ha

    #155 1 year ago
  156. DSB

    @155 No one knows where Microsoft stands on the issue. All you have are a few anonymous sources.

    You think Sony changed their mind at the last second? Years of planning, undone by a week or two of internet chatter? Get real, man.

    #156 1 year ago
  157. machy

    @156 the only reason y the UE4 was poor is that the ps4 didnt fully take it time ”compare COD3 lunch title to COD BO2 or uncharted -2007- with uncharted 3 -2011 … etc dont act like a kid who knows nothing ;)

    #157 1 year ago
  158. Wen3

    Right now it kind of feels like xbox is going to win the next generation war….ps4 its becoming like old news now

    #158 1 year ago
  159. NightCrawler1970

    http://smallbizbeat.smc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/yourefired.jpg

    This might be happens after the tweet…
    a MS meeting in the office..
    http://vimeo.com/3891483
    Nuff said

    like this bozo, that was fired after the presentation…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiPLZj-8XoE
    still the best clip LMAO!!!!

    #159 1 year ago
  160. Joe_Gamer

    Holy shit that’s a lot of comments.

    #160 1 year ago
  161. RocknRolla

    I sincerely feel bad for Xbox fans if M$ does this. This is the third damn rumor about “Always on” so I am sure they are going to go through with this function, witch is the dumbest thing ever! Sony confirmed that Playstation 4 does NOT require internet at all times, you can play games offline duuh?!?! of course you can/should, and since I have bought every Playstation before and never was disappointed with Sony, it is 100 % guarantee I am buying a Playstation, guys time to change up, let M$ eat their shitty mistake, and get a Playstation 4

    #161 1 year ago
  162. Digital Bamboo

    My apologies if this question has already been rasied (I haven’t read the entire thread) but is there any chance that this could be a case of corporate sabotage? As in, Orth is a “double agent” for another company, and is being paid to weaken MS from within.

    I know that sounds a bit paranoid, (and I won’t even suggest what companies may want to do that) but it is possible. I mean, it sounds as if Orth was really trying his very best to insult, dismiss, or otherwise offend as many people as possible: those that don’t have a reliable internet connection (or one at all), residents of Janesville WI, residents of Blacksburg VA, those that live in “non-cities”, and Christians.

    Not to mention his arrogant tone, stupid examples, and overall uber-douchery. Is this guy for real?

    #162 1 year ago
  163. RocknRolla

    @163
    Sadly yes, people that have worked with him said as well that he is a complete douche, at work he even wants people to call him by his nickname “Sweet Billy” if they call him by his first name he compleatly ignores them and acts like a complete douche looool? Haha you can find it on a couple of sites people posted :)

    #163 1 year ago
  164. OmegaSlayer

    This is what you’re going to get since you’ve supported the 360.
    Deal with it, or buy another piece of hardware.

    #164 1 year ago
  165. roadkill

    @108 Yes moron. I am part of the always-on crowd. But that’s not the problem. The problem is with the games that are natural always-on and the games that artificial always-on. When I play an MMO I want to be always-on because I want to interact with people. When I play a SP game I want to be off. There’s a difference between a GW2 (or any other MMO) player and a D3 player. Don’t you f**king put me in the same group with those whores that decided to support corporate monopoly and control!

    #165 1 year ago
  166. polygem

    “ALWAYS ON”

    sure. scientifically proven:

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/04/xbox-360-are-gamings-best-sexual-partners-survey/

    #166 1 year ago
  167. Wen3

    I SAY EVERYBODY GET A PS4 …with PS4 getting more support we will also benefit as consumers…I say if you rich get both consoles if you not get a PS4 that will show em…long live sony!!!

    #167 1 year ago
  168. Lengendaryboss

    @168 I don’t think hardcore fans of Nintendo and Xbox will ever do that :D

    #168 1 year ago
  169. Da Man

    What’s the alternative?

    Offline Entertainment? Overpriced Mac Mini? Desktop Android? There’s none.

    #169 1 year ago
  170. Christopher Jack

    Only online multiplayer games should require an internet connection. I can tolerate a simple online authenticity check à la Steam, but not a 24/7 one because that would mean I’d have to rely on that service throughout my entire gaming time. If it goes down or they decide to no longer support the service, I’m screwed.

    I’d like to think of games as products rather than services, of course that doesn’t mean that product won’t be bundled with a service such as online play but that should never be required unless of course it’s an mmo-like game, not just a SP game with social features.

    #170 1 year ago
  171. Cobra951

    http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-man-on-always-online-console-deal-with-it–250855.phtml

    I’m not a big fan of Jim Sterling, but he summed up the shitstorm quite nicely. My favorite quote:

    “The privileged attitude of ‘deal with it,’ seems to be one held by many members of the mainstream publishing industry, and more and more customers are getting sick of it. As the console market spirals ever haphazardly toward a crash, I feel people like Orth will learn exactly what happens when consumers en masse begin to learn they don’t actually *have* to deal with any of this bullshit, and go looking for entertainment elsewhere. When the major companies fall to their knees after trying to shave the sheep one too many times, I wonder if they’ll be able to ‘deal with it.’”

    #171 1 year ago
  172. Da Man

    I feel the fat man has too much time on their hands. Oh well, at least he makes money off his blogging.

    #172 1 year ago
  173. Djoenz

    Jim Sterling is awesome man.

    #173 1 year ago
  174. grizzlycake

    @172 Powerful quote. I don’t agree with a lot of his views but this time I’d consider him right.

    #174 1 year ago
  175. zinc

    I believe 90% of the problem here is Mr Orths perceived attitude.

    Most people don’t mind being used as long as their is a little foreplay & cuddling after.

    With this guy it’s clear you’ll be lucky if theres a pillow to bite.

    #175 1 year ago
  176. SlayerGT

    I have a bet with a buddy of mine that the nextbox is indeed going to be “always online”. And its simple why, my thinking. Its their pricing model. It’ll be like a cell phone plan. You buy the box for cheap, and sign a contract for two years, for however much a month. You get your Live, maybe your TV too. And just like a cell phone, if you don’t pay your bill..its unless and will not work. The inherent prob with a game console is the you would still be able to use it to play games and apps, and even movies presumably, if you stop paying your bill..unless it has to be online to play. The machine itself in a “service”. Which falls right in line with what I expect MS to focus on next Gen, their services.

    Games, first party anyway, I think are gonna take a backseat. I think in the beginning, the first year or two (when the core will want to buy anyway), they’ll talk a great game and say they’re focus is games..but then like this Gen, once you’re hooked in and paying subs, they’ll go back to their old service pushing habits. MS is using us gamers to get there hardware and crappy OS’s with ads into our houses. And personally I’m over it. I refuse to buy any more MS products. I’ve had it with their business practices, regardless of how good any of their products are.

    #176 1 year ago
  177. G1GAHURTZ

    @177:

    Now there’s an interesting call…

    Imagine if MS did go with the online only, but sold the console for $39, with a $14.99 sub fee over two years, and an even lower fee after that.

    I wonder how many of these moaners would turn their noses up at a $39 next gen console…

    Could be even more interesting, if they went both ways, with on offline console SKU for a one off, single fee, and an online only version on a sub plan.

    #177 1 year ago
  178. monkeygourmet

    @177, 178

    Yep, this is def a way to counter the negative of always on.

    It would easily go along with there subsricption based future vision, especially if they included GOLD into the bargain.

    The only problem being – power of the machine.

    If they went down this road, there is absolutly no excuse not to build a very powerful machine. If I buy a new mobile on contract, the thing that sweetens the deal, is knowing im getting close to cutting edge tech, but spreading the price out.

    If they can provide a very powerful console with always on internet, but through a subscription based service thats constantly improving, then, yeah, im down with that.

    However, if they offer a console on par or less powerful than the PS4… Then im not really sure how many people will ‘bite’…

    #178 1 year ago
  179. Djoenz

    Old Quote:

    “We’ve gradually rolled out different advertising programs and options for people over time,” he said. “While initially people tend to react to them [negatively], they do get comfortable with them and understand that they’re typically very brand-appropriate and content-appropriate for the types of folks who are on the other side of the TV screen.

    “We’ve had advertising all the way back on the 360, including in-game advertising, so I think, just as we’ve innovated and updated the Xbox experience with Kinect, we’re looking at ways we can continue to innovate and do unique things that we think are done in ways in which people are comfortable with.”

    NuAds is the future.
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2013/Jan13/01-07NUadsPR.aspx
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-09-microsoft-delighted-with-xbox-nuads-vows-increased-investment

    #179 1 year ago
  180. Max Payne

    I think this is best thing I had seen in years :D
    http://i.minus.com/iZ4Xc7uzxvJUA.gif

    #180 1 year ago
  181. zinc

    That plan only works if their constantly updating the machine though… Or I should say it’d only work for me if I was getting a *new* machine every 1-2 year’s.

    #181 1 year ago
  182. G1GAHURTZ

    @179:

    Of course, the 720 would pretty much always need to have a USP that would make people choose it over a PS4.

    That, and the games, exclusives, etc.

    If MS can provide a true next gen gaming experience, rather than a current gen one with sharper graphics, then I think people would most certainly bite.

    #182 1 year ago
  183. Lengendaryboss

    @Djoenz That definitely sounds familiar.

    #183 1 year ago
  184. monkeygourmet

    @180

    Yeah, everyone wants ad revenue:

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-25-sony-patents-method-to-interrupt-your-gaming-with-an-ad

    Nintendo don’t need to, the amount of free advertising they generate in Miiverse from users drawings is genius… And a little scary.

    Basically, Miiverse is just plastered with images from Nintendo franchises, so it’s a great subliminal free advertising tool for them.

    MS & Sony are really one in the same when it comes to all encompasing media saturation though. They both want ‘in’ to your living room, advertising follows and funds those kind of pushes.

    @183

    EA & Acti would also be very happy with this I bet…

    #184 1 year ago
  185. Djoenz

    @LB

    Yeah man its an old quote from David Dennis?:
    In 2011, following the announcement of the tech, Xbox senior product manager David Dennis called on gamers to give it a chance after they reacted negatively.

    I just saw those two links today. I knew xbox had some ads added last year, but it seems NuAds have been succesful in Microsoft’s eyes so they will even invest in further deals.

    Rumour is also with kinect being always online Microsoft will definitely do something with NuAds. It might be the future.

    @185
    If Sony does that I will stop buying their shit. I would never accept that.

    #185 1 year ago
  186. Cobra951

    @178: One moaner at least, me. I wouldn’t spend a penny on that business model, not for home gaming. Besides, it’s not $39. You end up paying more within 2 years than what the full retail price would have been, before any games are factored in.

    #186 1 year ago
  187. Lengendaryboss

    @185 I just wish there was something we could do about these ads, i mean on TV there are choices just change the channel or fast foward past it. If there were a space for ads like placed somewhere on the main menu where users can immediately see it or if it were optional then i wouldn’t mind. But forced into gaming? I can’t imagine killing Helghast/ISA in Killzone Shadow Fall (Offline or Online) and then an ad pops up saying “buy this high tech PC, with world class graphics and a smooth interface only for the high price of £899.99.” It breaks you out of the world your playing in. They can even get ads on multiplayer loading screens, death screens and pause menu, i actually wouldn’t mind it in those instances gives you something to look at, providing it doesn’t completely cover the screen.
    Edit: Also i wouldn’t mind seeing game ads/trailers appear on the main menu, as it is a gaming console after all, i would see games that i wouldn’t ordinarily i may be interested in. i am really split on whether ads appear on PS4.

    #187 1 year ago
  188. Phoenixblight

    @185

    That is most likely for the F2P which most of them have started doing this even Square ENix Cloud service does this.

    #188 1 year ago
  189. polygem

    the ads on live really have been the final nail in the coffin for me…that halo 4 disappointed me also helped. not so sure if i will buy the nextbox. strange because a year or so back i was sure to get one. seriously, i fear the times when we will see much more ingame ads too. the ‘episodic’ game trend bothers me. for me even the pepsishit in bionic commando killed that game for me. i just dont want ads in my games. only thing i could accept maybe would be strictly gaming related ads…and that doesn’ t include doritos ;)

    #189 1 year ago
  190. monkeygourmet

    @189

    http://shhhmycommonsenseistingling.tumblr.com/post/4288054605

    “See? That was nothing. But that’s how it always begins. Very small…”

    #190 1 year ago
  191. Phoenixblight

    @191

    What? Games are expensive to develop especially the triple A titles so if publisher and developer want to use advertising to recover the cost that is their right. Alan Wake did it and it worked of course on the flipside there was the original Prototype that had Gamestop,Hollywood Video all over the place and that was very tacky. If they want to do that for F2P games thats their right but no one will be doing it for purchased games.

    #191 1 year ago
  192. zinc

    I don’t really mind ingame product placement. It’s been in films for ages. Not sure why videogames should be so sacrosanct.

    If it helps with the cost of my big budget triple A title, I can put up with it.

    #192 1 year ago
  193. DSB

    It depends on how it’s used. Most movie directors are good enough to make product placement a non-issue, and then you have morons like Ron Howard.

    The Da Vinci Code was like a series of commercials trying to sell you cellphones or french cars. It was just ridiculous.

    That certainly robs me of any interest I might have had in a movie.

    #193 1 year ago
  194. monkeygourmet

    @192

    Particularly humourless as always…

    As a games developer or someone who works in a studio, I’m consistantly suprised you seem to be blind to the direction gaming is taking.

    Of course we won’t see games that stop play to bombard you with adverts, but, adverts are creeping in regardless.

    It’s just a very slow pace, so people don’t see change, same as anything that is anti-consumer and pro corperation. Developers can recoup in any way they see fit, but it deoesn’t stop it from being shitty practice.

    The more new gamers fall upon the hobby without knowledge of gaming without having adverts crammed down your neck, the easier it is for bigger companies to get away or push the boundaries.

    It only takes a generation shift to push things like this through and you can never go back.

    Free to Play and advertising go hand in hand, but remember; It’s often ‘pay to win’, not ‘free to play’, so not only are you paying, but you still get shit loads of adverts or other bullshit.

    You seem to be justifying this business model so the ‘poor’ developer can benefit. Just make good games, without shitty business practices and people will find you.

    Triple AAA games do cost a lot… But it’s not like the customer is even listened to when they are being produced anymore…

    Look at Dead Space 3… What a shitty piece of corperate bullshit polluting a once solid survival horror game.

    Shitty gameplay no one wanted, tacked on co-op, ruined the series name, It had pay to win elements AND was still full price…

    This is what is happening to EVERY AAA franchise almost across the board. If their stupid enough to release shitty games like this and ruin franchises for the sake of $ chasing, then frankly, we all know who to blame when the gaming scene crashes.

    #194 1 year ago
  195. polygem

    ingame ads aren´t there so the consumer will save some money. that´s just an illusion.
    you´ll still pay full price…but hey you´ll get FREE ads with the game. you should be thankful!
    seriously, i cannot understand this attitude, sure it is in movies, sure it is on the internet, sure ads are EVERYWHERE as soon as you are leaving the house (if you live in a city)…doesn´t make it right. in fact i think it´s like a holy grail that games still aren´t crowded with ads. i would like if it would stay like this. like mg said: once they are there, they will stay forever. unfortunateley though i think gamers will just swallow it and voila, we´ll end up walking upon planet reach, watching beautiful mc donalds, coke and chevrolet ads…cannot wait. hope i can at least headshot ronald mc donald.

    #195 1 year ago
  196. G1GAHURTZ

    mg, you’re far too paranoid.

    I mean, I hate ads.

    …no. I despise ads.

    But even if MS or Sony study my every move in my own home, then figure out exactly what I want to buy, and when, then plaster my TV with full HD ads, why is it so ‘terrifyingly bad’??

    Since I’ve used the internet, I’ve pretty much trained myself to completely ignore anything remotely ad-like.

    I think I’ve only ever (intentionally) clicked on 5 or fewer banners in my entire life, and those were for products that I was already seriously interested in buying or learning about.

    Besides…

    Do you realise how many adverts are on this page alone?

    #196 1 year ago
  197. zinc

    Deadspace 3 is a bad example of monetizing ruining a franchise. The damage was done when some suits decided they needed Gears of Deadspace added to the EA roster.

    The game is just bad design decision, added to management mishandling. The monetization just obscures that from view.

    The origional Deadspace had dlc and was the better game by design.

    #197 1 year ago
  198. Phoenixblight

    @198

    Did you actually play the game? I played it and beaten it twice and I didn’t know about the microtransactions until end of my first playthrough and I pressed the dlc button in the store. I wouldn’t have known about it if I wasn’t curious so people claiming that the game was destroyed because of it are just those screaming doom and gloom. I thought how Dead SPace 3 did it was very subtle and the fact that I don’t actually need the items and can keep playing the game and my gameplay is not obstructed I can care less about it. Portal 2 had a in-game store very much like Dead SPace 3 where are the people crying foul on that, huh?

    #198 1 year ago
  199. zinc

    @199, Yes & really feel DS2 is lacking in story & design.

    Though I do have a confession to make. I’m not a fan of survival horror & only played Deadspace after a mate recommended the tank suit/heavy weapons pack dlc.

    Completely changes the game & I consider it one of my all time favorite 3rd person action shooters now :-)

    I was hoping for the same from the sequal, downloaded the dlc & was gutted when it was nothing more than cosmetic changes basically.

    If anything, we don’t need less dlc, we need a more robust review system for dlc.

    #199 1 year ago
  200. theevilaires

    I just love how PlayStation is now favorable when it was the opposite at the beginning of last gen and throughout until the middle when people realized the wii was and is shit. The 360 only had games because they bought 3rd party exclusives but now they see the truth publishers won’t make money that way or survive and 360 has shit 1st party.

    Oh boy if I could go back to 2006 and show you guys these comments from today :D

    #200 1 year ago
  201. monkeygourmet

    @199

    I watched my girlfriend play co-op for a few levels, she stopped playing and traded it in as she felt it was an average action shooter, destroying a good IP.

    Being a huge fan of DS1 & and a mild fan of DS2, I couldn’t even bring myself to play it. I have plenty of good action shooters to play and had no need to sully my memory of a once strong IP.

    I read a lot about the game afterwards; and from what I had read, no matter how much the ‘don’t buy if you don’t want to’ attitude can be applied to it’s DLC weapon purchases, there is not one part of me that can honestly say the gameplay change and this choice didn’t happen in the same boardroom meeting…

    The whole structure of the game changed to a shooting gallery, especially the bits I watched my girlfriend play, and that was early on. I pressume it only got more ‘intense’. Coupled with crafting and ammo that wasn’t weapon specific, yeah… lets say Im very dubious.

    Im glad you enjoyed the game, but, to me they should have either made a new IP without dragging the brand through the dirt, or not bothered.

    Then the ‘back to its roots’ survival horror DLC… Come on dude, wake up! It’s bullshit!

    I’ve enjoyed shit games before, but at least understand it when your being ass raped by a company.

    Portal 2 is an absolutly fantastic game that was made by people who appriciated the origianl IP and didn’t feel the need to add guns or explosions into it.

    Edit:

    Off point but Assassins Creed is doing a very good job of fucking itself up too.

    If the new pirate themed game had been a new IP, it would have been a much better move and potentially started a new genre for them (which they would have ruined, but thats beside the point).

    Everyone wants to create a brand, then drag it through the dirt. Smooth move guys… So forward thinking…

    I suppose then we can look forward to all the gritty ‘reboots’ like we are seeing in the cinema. No new ideas, just rehash’s of old shit.

    @197

    Yeah, I know what your saying.

    Just diff views dude. The amount of shit in the media we put up with now just because a passive attitude makes companies think you actually like something.

    OG made a good point the other day about EA’s Origin log in thing.

    You can’t help but sign up to some of this shit just to try a game or play a certain title, then you never use it again.

    Problem is, the company then uses you as an example of a ‘happy customer’ in their board meetings and forecasts. Shit like this does not paint an accurate picture of the consumers real views, yet it still changes the gaming landscape and future titles (maybe even whole platforms).

    #201 1 year ago
  202. monkeygourmet

    @201

    The PS has always had a crazy amount of fans dude.

    Especially off the back of the PS2. People just got pissed because of Sony’s arrogance and lies when it came to game demo’s and the power of the PS3 compared to 360.

    #202 1 year ago
  203. polygem

    @201: looks like they learned from their mistakes. it was damn good that ms and nintendo kicked sonys butt this gen. they have become way too arrogant. i do not regret one bad word i dropped about sony. they almost ruined their awesome playstation brand this gen. so many wrong turns. i am glad that they realise that now – i hope. i play sony since psone. i am not brandloyal ’till death though.

    #203 1 year ago
  204. theevilaires

    Kicked SONY’s butt this gen? the only person who kicked SONY’s butts we’re themselves with the split memory. This gen ain’t over and 360 has been over taken worldwide and their 1st party can’t match SONY’s. You people learned the lesson when? Back in 2006-08 all you did was come on the net and bash them….now you’ll be licking PS4 ass crack next gen. LOL I love it.

    And please the wii….a last gen console proven by the wii U that Nintendo just will never have it anymore less be anyone’s primary console choice….Yup it feels good to see all the haters of PlayStation eat your shit and turn the pitch forks back on the companies who deserve it and ruined gaming these past 7 years.

    Let this be a lesson to all of you who oppose PlayStation. SONY will always be the future of this industry.

    #204 1 year ago
  205. polygem

    that´s just bullshit tea. it´s you seeing things black and white only. things are much more complicated sometimes you know. i can criticize sony and still like some of their games. no problem at all. if they are doing things better with ps4 now it´s great and i call it out. blindlessy licking any corporations butt just isn´t for me though. imo a real fan criticizes too btw, so things can improve. sure nintendo and ms made sony sweat this gen. you are denying that? just look at playstation move for example ;)

    #205 1 year ago
  206. fearmonkey

    TEA – Please stop with all the Sony fanboyism……

    Your almost making me not want a PS4……………

    MS has disgusted me these last few years with their lack of sales and petty offers to long term gold members. Sony has went from majorly arrogant to a hungry company again, and Im glad for them.
    I am seriously considering a Ps4, we shall see what MS finally announces and how the gaming community responds.

    You are right about one thing though, MS didnt beat Sony, Sony beat Sony, and Ms thinks they are unstoppable. I am sure that MS, if they truly go through with all the things that gamers dont want, are about to find themselves humbled next.

    #206 1 year ago
  207. Djoenz

    Dead Space 3 was kinda awesome tbh, more than DS2 to me. DS2 had new enemies but the story was falling short. DS3 though was intense and the story is just great imo. I haven’t finished it yet cause im hoping to co op it with my online buddy. At chapter 11 I think. Co Op is just awesome sauce too.

    #207 1 year ago
  208. SlayerGT

    @207 He can’t help it. He and plenty of Playstation fans have been getting shit on for being just that, a fan, for plenty of years now.

    #208 1 year ago
  209. Cobra951

    I’ll buy whatever fits my needs and wants. I don’t give a crap who makes it. This gen, it was the Xbox. Next gen, if this sad rumor pans out, there’s no chance in hell MS will get my repeat business. The PS4 is looking good so far, but it isn’t a real product yet. If that turns out to be a letdown, I’ll be looking into PC gaming once more. Maybe I’ll do that in any case. We shall see.

    #209 1 year ago
  210. theevilaires

    @206 I didn’t say SONY was perfect I said they’re the future of the industry and always will be in the gaming section. Microsoft is the leader of online gaming no doubt and I won’t take that away from them. And Nintendo will never be a first choice ever again. I have beaten SONY down many times and people on this site know. I just think its funny how 90% of the people who praised Microsoft back in 2005-2008 even through the disasters of the RROD,Hacking of LIVE,Disc scratches galore, and many more limitations now are turning on their beloved console maker of choice for PS4.

    By the way its hilarious as fuck 82% of you have changed your screen names to cover up the fact you were wrong for bashing SONY in the first 3 years of the PS3 but now you see PS3 is the place to game with PLUS and top quality 1st party titles Nintendo and Microsoft can never compete. Welcome back traitors.

    @207 Your lost every one who has grabbed a game controller knows the PS4 will rule all. The king of gaming has returned accept it or buy a 720 and have Microsoft spy on you 24/7 via always online Kinect 2.

    @209 you’re right for years PlayStation fans have come on the net to try and defuse the hate and lies against random low lives who support the 360 to death. Why should we care you ask? Well lets say there was never people like me out there who never came on the net to kill the lies and spread the truth…games like The Last of Us and Beyond wouldn’t have probably been created. Maybe SONY would have not taken the risk with games like that because they felt their fan base was gone and all there was left was halo FPS jackasses. The Last of Us would have become another dumb FPS.

    It feels great to see all the haters now realize and accept that SONY has always had the best interest for gamers and Microsoft has not.

    #210 1 year ago
  211. G1GAHURTZ

    Actually, the more that I think about it, the more it makes sense.

    I’m starting to think that MS will go for an always on console now.

    However, I think that they will also go for an offline console, and have a two tiered system, just like they currently do with MS Office: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9238077/Office_365_subscriptions_account_for_25_of_suite_s_U.S._retail_sales

    You can currently buy Office as you always have, a licence that you own, and can use years from now, or get a cheaper option that includes the entire suite, but is subscription based, and requires the internet.

    I have to say that I’ve recently bought Office 365, the annual subscription, online only version, and (apart from one of the worst installation procedures I’ve ever seen in my life!) I’m very happy with it so far.

    I can install it on up to 5 computers, and use any program in the entire suite, which always has the latest versions, and save my files directly onto the free 20GB of SkyDrive storage space that comes with the subscription.

    Apparently, this is accounting for 25% of Office 2013 sales, so it’s clear that there are many, many people who are happy to be always online.

    Anyway, MS already has this two tiered system of an online and offline version of the same product already working.

    I’m pretty sure that they are, at the very least, looking into putting this in place with the 720.

    It’s certainly something that I’d go for. As I said, I already use an online only system for software, and I’m pretty much online 24 hours a day, anyway.

    They’ve already done a pilot with subscription 360′s available from MS stores in the US selling alongside regular ones, so keeping that option for the 720, and making it online only, makes sense from their perspective.

    They clearly already have the infrastructure in place, they could throw in a super premium package like they do with Office, and I think many people would go for it.

    I’ve got a feeling that this online only option is what ‘Xbox Gold’ is going to be, too.

    #211 1 year ago
  212. Phoenixblight

    They aren’t going to do an always-online connection since they would be removing a lot of potential customers just for the sake of having online. http://news.yahoo.com/disconnected-70-percent-world-doesnt-internet-despite-rising-201836035.html

    Not to mention that not everyone will be migrating to a new console but if they do something like this even less will.

    #212 1 year ago
  213. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ You do understand what an option is, right?

    You do understand that 25% of sales of their most recent version of one their most important and popular software products are for an online only version, right?

    #213 1 year ago
  214. Phoenixblight

    @214
    WOrd or office suite is not comparative to games and consoles. No they won’t be building an offline version and online centric hardware either. Its not their style especially since majority of the users will just go with the offline version. Microsoft main goal is to offer the console as a media hub. Microsoft has always been binary in their choices right now they are trying to be like Apple hence them making WIndows 8 to be similar to iOS. THe always on connection only device is far likely then them creating two devices possibly three(if they are going to make a set top box style one) Too crazy and risky.

    #214 1 year ago
  215. zachintyre

    I’m gonna go ahead and say his opinions are in views of the companies. That hit hard Microsoft. You are going to pay for it.

    #215 1 year ago
  216. polygem

    ok tea. i get it now and you really are a die hard fan;) that’s ok. i think it’s great to be passionate about the things you like. i personally never changed my screenname here and i never used alt accounts. makes no sense to me. i stand for what i am saying and i have no problem with saying i might have been wrong about someting or that i am sorry for what i have said. i created one screenname for this page that came to my mind spontaneously because i wanted to comment on something years back. never used that name before or after that and now i am stuck with it. sorry, i thought you were kinda talking about me too but you clearly aren’t. i still think it is ok to change your mind about things (without being a traitor because of it) and that it’s the ‘job’ of a ‘fan’ to criticize what you do not like. i mean look at the outcome for all this…the ps4 looks like sony have listened- and hat’s great.

    #216 1 year ago
  217. G1GAHURTZ

    @215:

    It’s not their style!?

    Of course it’s their flippin’ style, they’re already DOING it!

    I can see that you clearly have this myopic, totalitarian approach on this subject, but so far, all of the signs (and not opinions) go against you.

    With all of these uncorroborated sources coming up with the same stuff, no denials from MS, despite the storm, and their current move to online subscription models with their other products, it seems like a definite possibility to me.

    #217 1 year ago
  218. zinc

    ^ So it’ll go something like…

    MS: Here’s our cheap, always online, subscription model!

    Hardcore: Boo, Hiss!
    Normal People: Hmm, not bad.

    MS: Here’s our online optional, deluxe, elite model!

    Hardcore: OMG, GRAFIX’s!!!
    Normal People: Hmm, pricey.

    #218 1 year ago
  219. zinc

    That is of course if any of our wild speculation is correct. Rumour mongering, more fun than gaming :-D

    #219 1 year ago
  220. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ Lol!

    Yeah, maybe something like that.

    This is what I’m thinking so far, based on what we know so far, and the direction that MS is heading, with all of it’s cloud based software in general…

    I could be wrong, but as you say, playing with rumours is fun.

    #220 1 year ago
  221. polygem

    nah you aint wrong. this is happening. i am sure we will see a sub nextbox deal. makes sense for ms. pricing and all will be very very interesting indeed though. i smell sony cooking something too with ps+.

    #221 1 year ago
  222. Djoenz

    I bet Microsoft will copycat PSN+ and offer free games.
    Although Im really wondering what the new PSN and XBL will be like.

    Crossgame chat+ woopty doo.

    #222 1 year ago
  223. ps3fanboy

    @211 theevilaires

    that was the best post i have read at vg247… and here is another xboxfan waking up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12c1rKLAeuk

    TREY4LIFE!

    #223 1 year ago
  224. PC_PlayBoy

    This is your future console cretins.

    http://i.minus.com/ibwI1puhNCjqAg.gif

    #224 1 year ago
  225. Djoenz

    @225
    Hahaha well made.

    #225 1 year ago
  226. Erthazus

    @225, Lol. Excellent.

    #226 1 year ago
  227. NocturnalB

    My favorite part is the comment about we folks living in rural areas. This twit may not realize this since all signs seem to tell me he’s never ventured past suburbia unless he was just passing through. You see while he enjoys his entitled life safe inside a cubical/office and what have you, people like me spend the days from before the sun comes up to after it goes down, growing, maintaining, and harvesting all the every-day commodities like FOOD. Things I’m sure he thinks just magically appears at the grocery store.

    And believe it or not I do own an Xbox and (another shocker) I do, on occasion have time to enjoy playing it. Guess what you folks in the “normal” world have and take for granted that I don’t? Internet access. Besides my phone, I do not have access to such a commodity because corporate decided there isn’t enough demand to warrant them servicing here at all (no doubt a decision made by a man/men just like this guy.)

    So I suck it up and live with it, content that at least I can still enjoy my games when I can. So you see, it isn’t a matter of not affording it or just choosing not to have it, I literally have no option in it BUT to “deal with it”. But hey, what do I know? If this does happen I likely will just stop playing video games, I can be plenty happy with Yahtzee or Uno.

    #227 1 year ago

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