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GameStop believes the PS4 will sell out like crazy at launch

Saturday, 30 March 2013 00:54 GMT By Phil Owen

Well, they explained the premise in a more clinical manner. Says company president Tony Bartel about the prospects of the PlayStation 4 on a conference call, as reported by GamesIndustry International: “We do believe demand will far outpace supply within the launch window, although we have been given no official numbers by Sony,”



Furthermore, GameStop regularly polls consumers, and they report that 34 percent of those questioned plan on buying a PS4 this year, which is higher than for any other piece of hardware. It seems likely, however, that the anticipated reveal of a new Xbox might change that perspective a bit. Bartel also pointed out that more than 900,000 users have signed up to be notified about any new PS4 info on the GameStop web site.

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114 Comments

  1. SplatteredHouse

    In related: http://www.shacknews.com/article/78466/gamestop-calls-wii-u-sales-disappointing

    #1 2 years ago
  2. woe

    “Bartel also pointed out that more than 900,000 users have signed up to be notified about any new PS4 info on the GameStop web site.”

    This doesnt equal sales..

    #2 2 years ago
  3. killersense

    i do see it selling out initially especially if the price is 399 base bundle and 449 for a deluxe bundles. i think people are ready for next gen consoles since this gen has lasted so long.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. ActionGameKing

    @2 That’s almost 1 million users in 1 month. There are at least 7 months left till the PS4 releases. Do the maths, it’s gonna sellout.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Bashtee

    Gamestops right. I’m saving money up right now, console + 4 games will cost between 600 and 700€.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Lengendaryboss

    @1 Come on dude lets not rape a dead horse, its common knowledge.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. nollie4545

    In this economic climate, don’t count chickens before they hatch.

    In any event each console will be sold at a loss so high volumes selling initially aren’t going to help them all that much.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Showmeyomoves!

    @7 You said it. I see a lot of disappointed retailers and Sony execs in my crystal ball.

    Remember how the Vita was going to destroy the 3DS in sales?

    #8 2 years ago
  9. OlderGamer

    I see very strong preorders. And a healthy launch window. Where I see trouble is in trying to convince the masses that they should stop using their PS360, spend 500-700usd buying a new system, controlers, and a couple of games.

    System launches aren’t about selling to the masses anyways. So I don’t see anyone in the media noticing a problem. But the question I have(and I don’t know what will happen) is how will sales look seven months after launch? Or two years?

    Keep in mind that the WiiU outsold the Wii during its launch by .5million units. It is the post launch where these things could struggle.

    We have never had such a massive install base of previous system for th enew systems to compete with. And keep in mind all the PSx did, was play games. All the Nes or SNES did was play games. But follow me for a sec: give it a try: I know you can do it: lol: Ready?:

    Ok, if more system owners use their systems for multimedia functions then games…what can their new systems do that the old ones can’t? Both PS3 and PS4 will play Netflix. Both play Hulu. Both play BluRay, std DVDs. The thing I wonder is that for the common consumer, will playing upgraded games be enough for THEM(not you or I) to plop down what is still a large chunk of change. You also want to consider that the graphic jump was noticably significant to anyone looking at a new system over an old one. SSX, for example grabed everyone I knew when they saw it on PS2. It couldn’t have been done on PSx gameplaywise, and graphicly it was head and shoulders above. Plus the PS2 played DVDs, the PSx didn’t. See what I am getting at?

    For most of us it isn’t even a question of what the new systems will offer or can achive. It is a new system, and we want one. Most people won’t see it like that. Most people will need the prices of these systems to be impulse purchase levels. 400usd, is not impulse.

    Time will tell, but retail needs new systems. Gamestop opperated at a loss last year. They need to drum up sales. The market is somewhat burnt out on current consoles, much of the dedicated game buyers have gone PC. And much of the casuals have gone Mobile/PC. Store retail sales are lagging. Gamestop needs strong PS4/XB launches. So it stands to reason to me that we will hear a lot about how “Amazing” these systems are from various people around the industry whos depend on robust and healthy sales.

    Why am I Debbie downer? Because hype can not effect me. I am just too god damn old to care lol. I have seen it all by now. And look beyond face value.

    Oh and I think Showmeyomoves! is correct, we saw the same people priase the Vita, same strategy for a new system they hoped would give a spark to retail and overall market health. It didn’t.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Djoenz

    @9

    I think you are quite spot on. Major sellingpoint of the ps3 at the time was BluRay (even though I never used it. PS3 had a bluray drive/player and at tht time a seperate one was almost 1k. PS3 was in tht regard cheap even at 600 bucks.

    I never buy consoles at launch. I’ll wait till theres a price drop and/or if the slim version eventually releases like I have always done.

    Only thing that could change my mind is if there will be one or more major launch titles I just have to play. So far thats not the case.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Clupula

    @2 – Oh, look at that, Woe is there to make sure nothing ever is said positive of Sony. Hope those checks from Major Nelson are clearing.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. SplatteredHouse

    @6 All the reports recently were regarding UK retailer’s concerns about the system…That a large US retailer with the influence of GS, on it’s earnings call made such an evaluation, suggests that it is not so easy to dismiss as regional trends.
    As I posted, it’s related to this story, and after searching I noticed VG didn’t catch it (or, alternatively, chose not to run a story on it) so I introduced the comment.

    According to Gamespot:
    “The retailer said that though the launch in November “exceeded our expectations,” sales have been “disappointing” since the beginning of the year.”
    Such a change in opinion, and fortune from this retailer is not noteworthy…Fine, then!

    #12 2 years ago
  13. viralshag

    The fact that millions of people seem more than fine with spending hundreds every year upgrading their iPhone/iPads, which aren’t exactly massive upgrades, kinda makes me think the argument for “are people willing to spend the money” completely unfounded.

    The WiiU is such an awful example to use because frankly to most people it looks like a pretty bad piece of hardware. If they have the stock, I reckon the PS4 or Xbox, or both, will probably sell better than the WiiU in their first month.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. Dragon246

    WiiU sold more than Wii at launch?????!!!?!?
    I can see here limits people go to justify their purchase, thinking lies said again and again would somehow become truth.

    @Viral,
    Completely agree. No one wants to spend 300$ on a 7 year old piece of hardware.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Uncontested

    I can see it selling out if there are some awesome launch titles… Otherwise probably not..

    #15 2 years ago
  16. OlderGamer

    “Next to other comparable launches – the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – the Wii U has done better. This is encouraging, as the Wii U is launching into a more challenging market than the PS3 and 360 were back in 2006 and 2007. Ars Technica uses the US sales figures as a comparison, setting 400,000 first-week Wii U systems against 197,000 PS3s and 326,000 Xboxes sold in the first two weeks.”

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the-wii-u-launch

    “The games media tends to have an exceptionally short memory when it comes to console launches, as proven by the 3DS and Vita launches the past two years – the 3DS, despite selling moderately well at the beginning of its life and better than the DS did at its launch, was initially deemed a doomed failure by the Internet, whereas the Vita – whose sales figures were painfully low in the initial weeks, especially compared to the PSP’s in 2005 – was lauded as a success in those first months. This is mostly to do with messaging; Sony came up with a decent-sounding 1.2 million number for a positive press release soon after launch, a number that unfortunately didn’t stand up to much investigation. Nintendo was bullish with the 3DS, predicting sales of 4 million 3DS units in the first month (it managed 3.6 million). Now, it’s sold in the region of 27 million and continues to outpace the DS’ sales at the same point in its life cycle.”

    Mostly what happens Mr Dragon is people are blinded by bias on sites like this. You sir are king in that dept. There are other links, other stories. In truth I am too lazy on Easter Am to hunt them down. And even when faced with proof that you are once again being bias and are just plan wrong, you will conviently ignore the facts.

    Not a biggie, argueing with grown men over the sale of toys is quickly being a former past time of mine.

    And I am not, nor ever was claiming that Nintendo will dominate or even match the Wiis performance over the long haul. I am just saying that the WiiU launch, wasn’t as terrible as you make it out to be. Post launch? Yeah it is very dry. And that is exactly what I am predicting will happen to PS4 and XB. The market is different now.

    “Nintendo has been more conservative with the Wii U, forecasting sales of 5.5 million before the end of March this year. Looking at current figures, though, which take Christmas sales into account, that doesn’t look enormously likely – though it is just about achievable”

    “This has been a real test for the console market – due to the explosion of mobile and the PC renaissance in the past few years, there has been considerable doubt over whether the traditional console model is still viable, and whether people actually want to buy a box to put under their television any more.”

    Btw the article is from Keza McDonald.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. killersense

    @oldergamer

    it is ok to have discussions and arguments but atleast admit when you posted something factually wrong whether by accident or not. this is what you said

    “Keep in mind that the WiiU outsold the Wii during its launch by .5million units.”
    this is factually wrong unless you are talking about nov 2012 npd sales where wii u sold 425 k and wii sold 400k even then that is a difference of 25k units and not .5 million units and it is not exactly surprising to outsell a predecessor when the demand for it is dying down. you came up with an article that says it wasn’t a bad launch by any stretch of the imagination which is fine because it was a decent launch but then it went downhill very rapidly. i doubt that will happen with ps4/xbox 720 because there will be many 3rd party and first party software coming out every month after launch something that is not happening with wii u and thats why it is struggling beyond belief but we will see. feel free to correct me if i am misinterpreting you.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. OlderGamer

    @KS there is a window of sales that often gets refered to as the launch window. It isn’t a one week or even two week period. I had read from a couple of different soruces that during the launch window of the Wii, the system sold world wide 3million units. During the same length of time the WiiU sold 3.5million untis.

    Ofc as it would be the case I can’t find those links. Like taking your car into the shop, it makes a hell of a noise, till you pull into the shops driveway, then the noise stops and the repair man thinks your mad lol.

    However even when Keza did the research for her article she said that by the end of march it was unliky that the system would reach Nintendos goal of 5.5 million units sold. But it was likly that it would be close. Even if you shave off 1.5million because of the virtual brick wall the sales have hit, you still have over 4million systems sold.

    The agruement that I was making is that the system has sold much better then most of us like to think. And infact it had out sold the Wii during that same “launch window”.

    I am also not of the belief that the system is struggling due to a lack of software alone. I think it is fully down to market shifts and price point. More software would help. But not as much as people think. If ever game that was released for PS360 also was released day and date for WiiU, I don’t think that would spure system sales. I think for a new system to sell because of software, then it needs new software. New IPs. It isn’t enough to put out stuff that can already be had for systems people already own.

    I think that will be a situation that also dogs the new systems from MS and Sony. Why buy a system to play a game that you could just buy the game alone for a system that you already own? It is a hard arguement to win when thinking about buying a new system.

    If software is going to drive sales, it has to be something new. Something you can not get everywhere else. sadly most 3rd patry software is not new, not exclusive, and not able, imo to drive system sales.

    If the WiiU had Smash Bros at launch. Or Zelda. Then those games could drive system sales. But getting Darksiders, Ninja Gaidan, CoD, Madden, and Ass Cred can not. See what I mean?

    I think it is great that the system can get those games. But thinking they will do well numberwise or drive system sales is foolish.

    More importantly, imo. Is price point. If the WiiU was priced at 200usd, with 32G, with Nintendoland packed in, it would still be selling well. That in turn causes the 3rd party software to sell better and encourages more pubs to stick their stuff on the system. Classic console bizz model.

    But I question if that will work today like it used to. I think it can. But I don’t think any system is going to catch fire and sustain that intensity in the months following its launch. I think these things are going to be slow burns. Like the 3DS, like the Vita, and now like we are seing with WiiU. Decent starts, slowing down to a trickle, picking up with price drops and more software. But I don’t think companies are going to be willing (or can even afford) to put software out for systems with low install bases. Look at Rayman WiiU not only being pushed back but also going to multiplat.

    The current instal base and selling potential of PS3 and XB360 is HUGE. Hard to walk away from that. And I don’t think the masses are interested in doing that right now either. Not for a premium price anyways.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. SlayerGT

    I frequent y’alls conversions in the comments looking at this debate going on. Does anyone ever consider the production aspect of “launches”? Because if I remember the Wii and PS3 both suffered shortages didn’t they?

    #19 2 years ago
  20. OlderGamer

    Wii yes, PS3 I don’t think so. I always saw lots of PS3s when I went to the store during its launch. But I think the price of the system effected that.

    I have a feeling that if Nintendo could have made 10million Wiis at launch they could have sole 10million Wiis. But again the price. The system was 250usd with a pack in.

    And again i am in no way trying to promote or claim anything about Nintendo or WiiU. I am not making excuses. I am not even in a position to feel compeled to do any of that. I don’t work for or own Nintendo. I don’t even own stock.

    Just pointing out that the launch of the system(WiiU) wasn’t as bad as it gets made out to be. And I do think WiiU will be able to sell and Nintendo will be fine in the long run.

    And ofc, I wonder if the same type of pattern that we have sen on three recent system launches(Vita, 3DS, and WiiU) isn’t vindicitive of what we will see on PS4 and XB in the fall?

    #20 2 years ago
  21. killersense

    those links don’t exist because it is not possible. wii sold more than wii u in november, december and january during its launch with severe shortages . in its first january for example wii sold around 450k and wii u in its first january sold around 55k and these are all going by official npd numbers. nintendo did play that card with 3ds though saying 3ds has been outpacing ds since its launch but that is not the case with wii u. you were just factually wrong with the point you made.

    like you said i personally don’t think software would have been a big factor anyways. they just came out with a similar system spec wise to current gen when everybody is either sick of it and waiting for something better or happy with what they have and don’t look at wii u as a step forward. the only people it will manage to get this time around is the hardcore nintendo fans that love their software and when that comes the sales will see good bumps with long periods of nothingness in between like it is happening now especially with almost every third party shying away from providing support. this won’t be the case with ps4/720 especially when there are 3rd party games that will noticeably run and look better than current gen. i agree not everybody is going to jump right away and there maybe slow periods after launch but arguments can be made for next gen systems unlike the wii u . it is hard to convince a ps3/360 owner to get a wii u but wont be as hard to show them prettier graphics and better experiences to upgrade to a ps4/720.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. OlderGamer

    I might be getting my wires crossed….it happens. getting older and all of that. But I could swear I read several different stories in Jan proclaiming the WiiU was on target.

    The best I can find at this point is preholiday projections.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-12-wii-u-to-sell-3-5-million-units-globally-this-holiday-ihs

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Wii-U-Will-Sell-3-5-Million-Units-During-2012-306511.shtml

    I just can’t find the ones I read from post holiday.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. OlderGamer

    I can tell you I don’t think the system power had anything to do with it either. The Wii was grossly underpowered. The Wii had Wii Sports, motion controls, and a good price point. Those things out weighed power.

    Alot of core and dedicated gamers think that raw power means more then it does. Raw power doesn’t sell Angry Birds, Minecraft, iOS, Andriod, Indie Games, XBLA, PSN, 3DS, VITA, etc. In truth the bulk of industry sales are not on the backs of trip A power hungry titles.

    Price is far more important than system power.

    It also needs to be noted that the masses have out wieghed the core/dedicated markets in recent years. It isn’t a right or wrong, or who is better or more valadting. Just a truth. Getting them to comit to your platform is huge. They aren’t, seemingly buying the WiiU. They were huge for Wii. I think those folks have moved to mobile/pc. But I also think that the PS360 markets were puffed up with those same demographics. Still are I think. I just don’t think those folks are interested in spending 350usd to 600usd to “Upgrade” to a new dedicated gaming system.

    Here is an analogy. Go back pre cassete tapes/cd walkmens/mp3 players. Stereos were big, bulky. Now you could have the best speakers. Ten foot tall and able to rock your ears off. But when things changed with the on the go convience of walkmen(cassettes/CD) suddenly terrible sounding ear phones were ok. Enthusiasets would complain about the poor quality compared to the super set up they had at home. But the masses didn’t care. The rules changed. The focus changed.

    Games are like that. The masses don’t care about the same stuff as the enthusiasts do. An iOS while waiting on the train is good enough. It is cheap, on something they will need anyways, and they are happy with it. That is what I mean when I say that the market has changed.

    Plus it points out that in truth, power isn’t what it gets made out to be. To the dedicated gamer raw power is a huge focal point. But to the masses it just isn’t.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Phoenixblight

    @23

    Your wires are crossed.

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/report-february-wii-u-sales-appear-far-short-of-nintendos-hopes/

    Nintendo even had to re-evaluate their projections.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. OlderGamer

    “The Wii U sold to the tune of 3.06 million units from its launch in November through the end of 2012, according to reports, nearly as many as the original Wii sold in the 2006 holiday season”

    Yes PB, thank god for your help. I was off by….what .44 million?

    A difference to be sure. But not like I made shit up. Plus if you poke around you are going to find slightly different numbers at different places. I am pretty sure I had read 3.5 Million. But you found 3.06 Million. Close enough in my book.

    And none of it is out of line with what I was actualy saying: it didn’t sell as bad as poeple make it to. Period. It also holds true to the pattern of the other recent launches. Sells decent initialy, then falls off because masses aren’t willing to buy new, expensive hardware.

    To call WiiU launch a complete failure is the say them samething about XB360 and PS3. Ofc, none of them were. The fact that that WiiU sold even comparable to Wii(one of the most impressive selling systems in history) further backs up what I am saying.

    #25 2 years ago
  26. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ This: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-25-nintendos-wii-u-sales-struggle

    is not this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7094069.stm

    Yes. The Wii U launch has been a relative failure.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. killersense

    o wow this is sad. i don’t think anybody is arguing the numbers you posted. you said wii u outsold wii and that is not true. end of story

    as for the other point people are calling it a complete failure maybe prematurely but there are reasons for it. in january and february it had miserable numbers worse than what ps3 was doing even with its ridiculously expensive 599 price point. the other reason you got almost every third party dropping support for it with no signs of them coming back but we will see if nintendo can do something about it. there is like no momentum for wii u either now or for the forseeable future up until the holidays when mario and mario kart might come out but by then competition would have increased even more. anyways the launch is a failure as far as i am concerned. they are struggling to even hit their revised target of 4 million units down from initial 5.5 projection. can it make a comeback like ps3 and 360? maybe but i don’t think the signs are looking good compared to how ps3 and 360 looked back then with support from third parties.

    #27 2 years ago
  28. OlderGamer

    I am not going to worry about it. Just typical forumite stuff. I know what I read. Numbers are a hard thing to nail down anyways. Everyone has their own slant on them. One of the things Keza was adressing in the article. And also at the most we agree we are off buy about 460k units. Wii vs WiiU off by 60k. None of us are privy to the actual sell through numbers vs shipped number, etc. Numbers, like I said, are a hard thing to nail down.

    But by all means if you think you smell blood in the water, circle away. Just kind of points outs two things, I was right, it wasn’t as bad as you guys want it to be. And some of you guys are rather sad.

    But hey whatever makes you feel better.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. polygem

    og + 1

    that said, i will preorder one myself as soon as i can :)

    #29 2 years ago
  30. G1GAHURTZ

    Yes, don’t worry about it.

    Just completely ignore the fact that the Wii could probably have sold twice as many as it actually did in it’s first two years, due to stock shortages, and that the Wii U is still sitting on shelves, collecting stockroom dust, even after big, unofficial, price cuts.

    Whatever makes you feel better…

    #30 2 years ago
  31. killersense

    man it must be hard to admit when you are proven wrong that the wii u did not outsell wii but carry on call us sad when you say stuff like i read somewhere, numbers can be hard to nail down, can’t find the link, making excuses to feel like you were somehow right?it is a game forum. there is no harm in admitting you were wrong and moving on but w.e now that polygem has come out of nowhere to post “+1″ for no apparent reason this is just going to go downhill so i am out. have fun with the rest of the convo.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. polygem

    lol wtf is going on again. some people should just relax a little. this is just a videogame forum discussion. relax. by the way, as far as i am recalling things, og never said wiiu will outsell wii in the past. in fact he even pointed out very clearly that he does not expect the wiiu to outsell the wii. in this thread stand the magic words “launch window”, but hey, here we go again. keep hearing what you want to hear and ignore the rest. i did read several articles regarding this too. i wont look for links though. i think links to prove things are cool and all but at the same time they sometimes only proof who is the biggest nerd that takes him or herself way too serious…it all can just be an opinion sometimes and thats totally ok. no need to pseudo back up everything.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. Dragon246

    OG, you understand that you are the most biased here don’t you? What about admitting first about lying about “.5 million lead” before saying anything else?

    “I might be getting my wires crossed….it happens. getting older and all of that. But I could swear I read several different stories in Jan proclaiming the WiiU was on target.

    The best I can find at this point is preholiday projections.”

    Now you are joking and thinking you can fool others. The REAL reason that you dont have any proof expect some “predictions” which everyone except you knows are useless is that THERE IS NO PROOF. WiiU NEVER met sales targets.
    Here, have a proof from your favourite writer, Keza-
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/30/nintendo-financials-reveal-wii-u-sales
    Ohhh. Satisfied? Never knew on target sales led to REDUCTION IN PROJECTION BY 1.5 MILLION.

    “Numbers are a hard thing to nail down anyways. Everyone has their own slant on them. ”
    Eh WHAT? Media Create, NPD, Chart Track are doing this job for YEARS, and are trusted by the entire industry. But I understand that you dont like them since they dont spin Ninty numbers like you want to.
    Some more proof-
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186741/At_57K_sold_Wii_Us_January_performance_is_historically_abysmal.php
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/188567/Wii_U_still_struggles_in_February_sales_charts.php

    Oh. So great numbers. DEFINITELY ON TARGET.

    “Wii yes, PS3 I don’t think so.”
    Yeah. Says a person who said a few months ago that Wii still faces shortages. You know you are making a fool out of yourselves don’t you?

    ” I was right,”
    REALLY? So 25k and .5million are same? I guess you are right, my maths skills need improvement.

    “you will conviently ignore the facts.”
    You sure you aren’t describing yourself? Still not accepting your folly after getting pointed out by so many people? Its really sad.

    Oh, and run away again, because that is WHAT EXACTLY YOU DO, ALWAYS.

    Also , keep ignoring Japanese sales page. What happened to your “NINTY RULZ JAPAN” thing. Now running away from that. Not that you will do anything else.

    Keep running away old man, you are making a big fool out of yourself.

    @Killersense, Ghz, PB, Slayer,
    +1
    @Killersense,
    Dont bother. He has a habit of talking nonsense to give everything a Ninty spin. After all, “NINTY IS THE ONLY GAME COMPANY” according to him.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. DrDamn

    Tell you what’s quite a big issue in the UK. Supermarkets are starting to abandon it. At launch they all had it, but since then some (Asda/Sainsburys) are still just stocking 4 or 5 launch titles, others (Tesco – the biggest UK supermarket) seem to have abandoned it altogether. There was nothing WiiU in the games section of a sizeable one I went in at the weekend. Plenty of other stuff for other consoles though. Then I went to a Game and they had the two big new releases (Lego and MH3U) for full RRP of £50. That’s not good. I would have bought one of those at a decent price but not at that.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. polygem

    edit: fcuk all this

    #35 2 years ago
  36. Lengendaryboss

    @DrDamn It is starting to become worrisome for Nintendo And Wii U, but they have titles coming like Platinum Games’s two games, Zelda and Super Smash Bros and others. Yeah GAME are a ripoff, i was pissed when they got the exclusive Killzone Trilogy at that price its highway robbery and the GAME i go to do have some sales but usually it will be cheaper online or on PSN and strangely the game i am looking for is not on sale, always seem to happen after i buy the game :) They will be back in the situation they were in last year if they keep it up, which will be the end of me browsing the lastest games.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. DrDamn

    @LegendaryBoss
    Game are complete twats when they have exclusives or realise they are essentially the only retail presence for some stuff (as is the case for these WiiU titles). The knock on implications for publishers and Nintendo are potentially bigger though. They have completely lost momentum. Thinking they need some sort of relaunch when they’ve got their shit together, but this years advantage they’ve had has been such a missed opportunity.

    #37 2 years ago
  38. Gekidami

    In 2010 360 sales in Japan were pretty bad, they had really always been since the console launched and at that point it was starting to look like the 360 was as good as dead there. But that year something amazing happened; Monster Hunter Frontier Online come out on 360 as (at least a console) exclusive, sales rose by 800%.

    And so you heretics, you who dance with the beast mocking our saviour Shigeru Miyamoto, who deny saint Reggie, who refuse to bow to the greatness of Satoru Iwata, you will see. For just as how the 360 was saved in Japan by games like Monster Hunter Frontier, Tales Of Vesperia & Blue Dragon, the Wii U will be saved by Zelda & Mario.

    This is the prophesy i give to you; the Wii U will achieve the greatness of the 360 in Japan, and even surpass it.

    …lulz, but seriously, Mario & Zelda will boost sales, then they’ll drop again. Keep dreaming.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. OlderGamer

    “Just completely ignore the fact that the Wii could probably have sold twice as many as it actually did in it’s first two years, due to stock shortages,”

    Try again. Harder next time.

    OG “I have a feeling that if Nintendo could have made 10million Wiis at launch they could have sole 10million Wiis”

    Posted several posts above your snipe. Maybe next time G1GA.

    #39 2 years ago
  40. OlderGamer

    “man it must be hard to admit when you are proven wrong that the wii u did not outsell wii but carry on call us sad when you say stuff like i read somewhere, numbers can be hard to nail down, can’t find the link, making excuses to feel like you were somehow right?”

    And yet that is exactly what happened. Believe what ya want. I also provided links that put the final numbers at a difference of a whole 40k units.

    You ready!?

    I was off by 40k untis!!!!!!

    Hehe, make you feel better?

    But the info I was quoting was what was off. I didn’t just make numbers out of thin air. I just can’t freaken track down the article I read that in. So I did the right thing and said I could have gotten my info a bit off.

    So you guys think “wOOt, we got the bastard now” lol. But if I was just making shit up…pretty uncanny to get the numbers so damn close ‘eh?

    Think about it.

    Next.

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Phoenixblight

    @41

    3.06 millions is no where near 3.5 million

    So you would be off by a lot like a few hundred thousand. But whatever numbers are hard to nail down. :P

    3.06 million is 3 million and 60 thousand.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. OlderGamer

    Dragon. Our resident Sony troll. My friend.

    Ok “OG, you understand that you are the most biased here don’t you?”

    Really? Do you own a mirror perchance?

    “What about admitting first about lying about “.5 million lead” before saying anything else?”

    Lying is too strong a word. Lying would have to have intent to mislead. I had none. I was illistrating that the WiiU launch window wasn’t as bad as you and others like to say it was. My numbers where off, see above. But they were off by a whole 460K in sales total and 60k sales in Wii Vs WiiU. In the ball park to say the least, but you are right…Pat should ban me right now. What a lying troll I am.

    Dragon, Keza has written stuff for this site too, that is why she cought my eye.

    But you should use the entire qoute Dragon, “As of December 2012, the Wii U had sold 3.06 million units worldwide (we made an educated guess at 3 million a couple of weeks ago). That breaks down to around 1.32 million in North America, 900,000 in Europe and 830,000 in Japan. The Wii shifted 3.53 million from April to December. Nintendo has previously stated that it aims to sell 5.5 million Wii Us before the end of March, but it has now revised this target to 4 million.”

    Right, what is the problem? We are into post launch now. The numbers I was after was the 3.1 million sold thus far. I had stated I thought it was 3.5 million, thru this point in its lifecycle the Wii was also at 3.1 million sold. Hence why I thought the WiiU outsold the Wii. You getting any of this through your Extra Thick Sony hat? That difference was 460K units. I was off by 460K units. See above. However the difference bewteen WiiU and Wii numbers was in actuality: 40K units.

    Your still with me right? You are making a fuss over 40K units. You get that right? Or even 460K if you like. But most of what anyone is working with are projections. That is why I say it is hard to nail down numbers.

    As for you other two links, no shit shurlock. I never said the WiiU is doing great now. I never said it was doing great really, just it didn’t have a horrible launch. The months following are the trouble. Once that window closes things slow down. Never claimed otherwise. And all of thise has been covered, by myself and others.

    Again you are stuck on a difference of 40K units.

    The rest of your post is pretty much your self deluisonal drivel that you paint with most of the time. For example: you claim I think that Nintendo is the only game company. Not true. I said I feel that Nintendo is the only game company LEFT. But you leave off or foget that part. Atari is gone from Hardware. NEC is gone. SNK gone. Sega gone. Nintendo is still here. They got into gaming at the earliest points. I recall playing Donkey Kong on my old 76er(that is an Atari 2600). The made games, lots of games. In house games. They started making hardware and still do. Sony and MS, imo, are different kinds of companies. They chased the profits and biz opertunities to the games industry. Nintendo helped shape and create the games industry. Without a NES things would look much different now.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. OlderGamer

    You again PB? I love snipers. You know people that don’t actualy post their own two cents, instead just taking pot shots at other peoples posts.

    Read the entirety of it, or reread it. I am sure you can get it. Oh wait, no doubt you can, did, and have. But let me break it down for you.

    There are two sets of numbers here.

    One is total launch numbers. The second is the difference between Wii and WiiU.

    Total launch numbers, I was off by 460K.

    The difference between Wii and WiiU I was off by 40K.

    Got it now?

    #43 2 years ago
  44. OlderGamer

    Should just about cover it all. Same old crowd really. But I wouldn’t want anyone to feel left out.

    I will be back tomorrow if you boys need further help.

    #44 2 years ago
  45. Phoenixblight

    @45

    The fact that nintendo had re-evaluate their projections not once by twice paints a pretty depressing picture. But hey if you want to say its “not that bad” that is your prerogative. You just keep waving that Nintendo flag.

    Nintendo really did lose the mark with the Wii U.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. G1GAHURTZ

    @41:

    Lol!

    You really are desperate, aren’t you.

    Keep digging, OG, keep digging…

    Why only use half of your own quote? Why not use the entire quote?

    Shall I do it for you?

    I have a feeling that if Nintendo could have made 10million Wiis at launch they could have sole 10million Wiis. But again the price. The system was 250usd with a pack in.

    You’re clearly trying to claim that Wii sales were held back by price!

    Price!?

    You have ignored stock shortages, to try and claim that the only thing that slowed Wii’s sales was PRICE!

    As Mark Rein said…

    Hahaha no.

    Wii sales were held beck for around TWO YEARS by stock shortages.

    It was almost always sold out. It had absolutely ZERO to do with price!

    The Wii U simply isn’t selling. Even after unofficial price drops.

    People just don’t want it.

    It’s a flop.

    Admit it.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. OlderGamer

    G1GA, I never claimed WiiU is doing good now. I simply said that the launch wasn’t bad. And it wasn’t. I also never said Wii was held back by a high price. I think the price of the Wii helped it sell at launch, particularly the price helped it sustain it’s sales mojo in the months following launch.

    The WiiU, I feel, is too highly priced. 100usd more then Wii. That, imo, holds it back.

    I don’t see how you could misinterpret what I said.

    I have been saying the samething the whole thread. Imo, price is killing the WiiU sales. Go read it, slowly this time. Price is, imo, more important then system power. The system needs to be at or under 200usd, imo.

    Wii was 250usd, but the market was different then. Now 350usd lands you a tablet. And much of the masses market demographic, I think, has chosen to move to mobile…psst, I said this before too. Thought I would say it again incase you couldn’t grasp it the first few times. You do seem to be having trouble.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. G1GAHURTZ

    I don’t see how you could misinterpret what I said.

    Maybe because you’re such a poor communicator…

    Still. Whatever reason you’ve concocted to convince yourself that the Wii U isn’t a flop, has no impact on the fact that you’re still trying to say that the Wii U launch was on par with the Wii’s.

    Well… Actually, first, you got caught lying about imaginary sales figures, then after that, you tried to say that it was on par.

    That’s complete idiocy.

    The Wii was almost always sold out for around two years. They couldn’t make them fast enough. People actually wanted to buy them, even when they weren’t available.

    The Wii U, which is supposed to be a better product, is giving retailers enough concern for them to make their own price cuts. Price cuts which are NOT working.

    So, just to put it in easy to understand words for you:

    If the price is the problem (which it isn’t, based on the continual poor sales after price cuts), it’s Nintendo’s fault.
    If the marketing is the problem, its Nintendo’s fault.
    If the lack of games are the problem, it’s Nintendo’s fault.
    If the power is the problem, it’s Nintendo’s fault.

    The reason for the problem is irrelevant.

    The Wii U launch is a disaster, the console is a flop, the sales are poor, and Nintendo messed up.

    End of story.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. ManuOtaku

    I do agree with og the wiiu launch windown was not bad compare to the wii, if after this that sales are bad compare with the wii, but this is a trend of the last 3 consoles, and is something that will happen to future consoles, but that will depend on price, of course it will not be as bad as this gen because it will not need a new tv set in order to see the upgrade, the only thing i dont agree with og is the numbers given, no biggy.
    All this rethoric in figures data sale remind me a lot of topics about who is in second place sony or microsoft, that demostrates bow hard is to pinpoint this for a lot of reasons, a few given by og, and a bunch of others as well

    #49 2 years ago
  50. Dragon246

    “Dragon. Our resident Sony troll.”
    Great job Ninty spokesman, first derailing a PS4 thread, then bringing Sony in to WiiU discussion. Shows how precious little you have to add in this, only desperate Ninty fanboy talk talk talk.
    As Ghz said, You really are desperate, aren’t you.
    Keep digging, OG, keep digging…

    “I was off by 460K units.”
    Yeah, so you were off. Took you 40 odd comments to acknowledge that old man, and that too after much double-talk. Great job.

    ” We are into post launch now. ”
    Look, its getting hilarious how much you spin Ninty numbers to suit your fanboy interests. NINTY IS STILL RELEASING GAMES SLATED FOR LAUNCH WINDOW, GET IT? LAUNCH WINDOW! So how exactly are we in post-launch? Keep spinning facts.

    “They chased the profits” Nintendo helped shape and create the games industry.”
    Oh, so Ninty isn’t chasing profits? How weird….
    Wasn’t that you dancing on the article where Ninty stocks rose? Whats the point? They aren’t chasing profits or anything.

    “and biz opertunities to the games industry.”
    Oh? So Ninty didn’t came to game biz looking for biz opportunities? Last I heard, Hiroshi Yamauchi tried Love hotels to dealings with Yakuza, and the games to expand its company from just a card manufacturing one. He CERTAINLY wasn’t looking for biz opportunities….

    ” Nintendo HELPED shape and create the games industry.”
    This is probably the only statement I agree with, they HELPED (past tense) shape games industry. And now, Sony and MS are doing that.
    Need proof? Look at this-
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186368/
    Ninty now lives in its own bubble and doesn’t support ANYONE ELSE in the industry. No wonder everyone returns the favour and doesn’t support Ninty.

    “Without a NES things would look much different now.”
    Agreed. And same with PS1, PS2 and Xbox 360. Avoided these didn’t you? No wonder, since your beloved Ninty didn’t create them.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. ManuOtaku

    One cannot compare the nes era with other consoles, because it was a time were consoles had a crash on their image for a lot of reasons. Certainly the other consoles you rigthly put did took games to a new era,expand games, but didnt face the same scenario,imho is not comparable.
    As for nintendo being in his own bubble,the other two share a bubble too, given more focus on media, formats, drive of new business models like blu ray, hddvd,hd televisions, etc, that are not that gaming focus, the only thing is more graphics power,which soumd more like a pc than console, i want my consoles focusing on gaming.

    #51 2 years ago
  52. Dragon246

    “As for nintendo being in his own bubble,the other two share a bubble too, given more focus on media, formats, drive of new business models like blu ray, hddvd,hd televisions”
    So? MS and Sony are the driving force for console gaming market right now.
    Not Ninty. Everyone in the industry knows that.

    “that are not that gaming focus, the only thing is more graphics power,”
    Again, so? Its video games, not outdoor games, graphics are important, and by looking at market and bad performance of WiiU, more important for most people than new gimmicks.
    And not gaming focus? Sony has put games division in 3 main Sony pillars, that’s not focus?

    ” i want my consoles focusing on gaming.”
    Definitely. Sony does that too you know? See PS4 announcement. And they aren’t resting on 20 year old franchises to lure people.

    “One cannot compare the nes era with other consoles, because it was a time were consoles had a crash on their image for a lot of reasons. Certainly the other consoles you rigthly put did took games to a new era,expand games, but didnt face the same scenario,imho is not comparable.
    Its funny how some (not you) people think Ninty “saved” games biz. It didn’t, pure and simple. If not Ninty, some other company would have made games. Its like saying a particular movie studio saved movie industry.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. OlderGamer

    I spend much of my posts telling you idiots what I didn’t say vs what you think I said. And I seem to have to explain even the simplest things. So either you aren’t getting it or don’t want to.

    Dragon look at your last post(51). It is full of half truths and bs. Things I didn’t say. I can’t talk with you. Your not here to talk, you are here to fight, argue and twist.

    Manu comes in, makes one post. In that post he shows that he understands what I am saying. You and others want to comb the wording, looking for weaknesses, trying to find cracks.

    G1GA is so thick he blames me for his inabilty to understand. Don’t you teach English in Saudi G1GA? Weren’t you raised in UK? Manu was born and raised in South America. And he gets it.

    Nothing wrong with my communication, spelling and typos aside. I am a writter for goodness sake. Communication is one of the things I do best. Better with an active editor mind you lol.

    I think I am done on this thread. Not much more to do but throw insults. And that isn’t cool. My numbers were off. But not by a mega ton. And the numbers don’t change any of my actual points. But they were off, so sue me. I also know that I had read a couple different articles on said numbers, but I can’t remember where. So ‘meh. Again, the numbers were pretty close.

    You know what is ironic, at least from your pov…I will prolly buy a PS4. Lest at some point. That is just how anti Sony I am. Ya know, I only own, PSx, PS2, PS3, and PSP. I will prolly also buy Vita when PSO2 arrives state side.

    And that Dragon is where you are the most wrong. I am not some sort of one company loyalist. That seems to be your role.

    But whatever.

    #53 2 years ago
  54. Dragon246

    ^Yeah whatever writer. How many people said against you, and how many supported you? The only people who support you are Ninty fans (not fanboys like you), end of matter. But you are probably too dense to understand that, as company loyalists are.
    Keep posting TL;DR comments elsewhere old man. See you in next Japanese Sales thread, that is if you want to see how “NINTY RULZ JAPAN”.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. OlderGamer

    Two years ago, maybe three. I was voted thrid best poster on the site. * puts on his teeshirt* TYVM Dragon.

    Back when we did those type of things here. The good old days, lol. Ofc, doesn’t mean anything. Was all in good fun. But it was community voted. ;)

    Desclaimer: no I don’t actualy have a teeshirt….Pat was too cheap to buy them!!

    #55 2 years ago
  56. Brenna Hillier

    Alright kids, enjoy your master debating but don’t start taking snipes at each other. Don’t make me come out there.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. OlderGamer

    You tell ‘em B.

    Them dirty rotten, no good for…

    oh wait… um nvm….

    *hides*

    #57 2 years ago
  58. G1GAHURTZ

    First of all, OG, yes, you are a terrible communicator.

    Your spelling and grammar are so atrocious at times, that some of my lower level students put you to shame.

    I mean, seriously, “I am a writter”!?

    A “writter”!!?

    I can barely understand what you write, half the time, because your grammar is so abysmal. So to consider yourself to be a “writter” is absurd.

    Idiocy.

    Secondly, you’re just trying to wriggle and worm away from your OWN (misspelled) WORDS as usual.

    You’ve been caught lying (again), and there’s nowhere left to wriggle and worm, so now you’re claiming to be misunderstood.

    Your first claim was that the Wii U sold MORE than the Wii. Wrong.

    The evidence? Something that you “read”. No links, of course, because the articles don’t exist. It’s a LIE.

    Then you try and twist it, to make it look like you made a tiny mistake with the numbers.

    The problem that you have, is that even if you were only two units out, your original claim is still a complete lie. The Wii U DID NOT sell more than the Wii. That was your claim. Numbers are irrelevant.

    The Wii, whose sales were hampered by stock shortages, did better than a console that still can’t sell, even after a price drop.

    Then, I showed you that you were ignoring stock shortages with your absurd theories, and you tried to claim that you weren’t, by misquoting your own words.

    And now, you try and claim that Manu, who openly says that you were talking crap about numbers, is backing you up!

    Grow up.

    You’re so predictable. Now surely, you’re going to continue to completely ignore the point about your sales lie, and the point about you completely ignoring stock shortages, and try to wriggle and worm your way onto another topic.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. Dragon246

    @Brenna,
    Glad to see you here. This site needs some modding imo.

    @Ghz,
    +1

    #59 2 years ago
  60. Brenna Hillier

    @59 Gig, seriously attack the argument not the person. Don’t get riled up like this and make me want to give you a little tap with the hammer.

    @60 I’m not going to start actively moderating because I have a filthy temper and would ban 97% of you for not liking the same games I do, which comes under the heading of “being egregiously stupid” ;)

    Topic, topic: will PS4 and Xbox 720 sell like hotcakes and save our god damned industry? Let’s hope so, I enjoy getting paid.

    #60 2 years ago
  61. Telepathic.Geometry

    The answer is “Yes” they will and then “No” they won’t.

    #61 2 years ago
  62. G1GAHURTZ

    Brenna, I think that if you’re capable of looking at these comments with an objective eye, you will see that the only person who has actually “attacked” anyone is OG.

    OG has called an unknown group that was almost certainly intended to include anyone who’s disagreed with him here, including myself, “idiots”.

    He has also quite explicitly called me “thick”.

    Nothing but a direct insult, attacking me as a person, not my points or how I express them.

    I have clearly said that his points are idiocy, and that he explains them very poorly, which is not childish name calling. It’s clearly the truth.

    No direct insults from me.

    It very well may be the case that I respect him, but not his points. The same, however, cannot be said on his behalf, as his own direct insults prove.

    I am not “riled up”.

    Perhaps you should try and be more balanced in your opinions, rather than taking sides.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. Brenna Hillier

    I certainly am not capable of looking at all this with an objective eye, because there’s fucking miles of it, and I have a job. I singled out you because you posted after I left a warning. Just get back on topic, please.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. GwynbleiddiuM

    wrap it up guys, I’m almost out of pop-corns. :-”

    #64 2 years ago
  65. Dragon246

    @Brenna,
    About modding, some people here (not this page) are complete trolls and need to be banned-
    http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=9119&page=2

    I hope these people are taken care off. It leaves a bad taste.

    #65 2 years ago
  66. polygem

    @og: stop arguing with dragon. he is licking the asses of people he thinks he might need one day to back him up. posts some ok and pseudo unbiased stuff sometimes to use it as a “proof” later. i stepped into the trap myself several times, thinking that guy isn’ t as bad as i thought…but just look at this thread. he is just playing his games. guy is not honest. he looks for weaknesses in every tiny little post and will use it against you later. he twists and turns every argument you are making. he is a sonydrone. he made this site a pile of shit, constantly throwing shit at everyone not in the same boat as his. he is a very professional troll..
    @ giga: you are attacking people in a very weak way imo. call people idiots if you like. i am cool with that but you too look for soft spots and then you put your finger in it and twist it. why are people constantly making jokes about og’s age? because he is honest about it and it’s in his username. his age does not matter. he himself can make jokes about it. if you use it for some sneaky insults it just makes me puke. it is cheap and weak. then og tries his best to make his point clear eventhough you guys keep ignoring what he is trying to say. what are you doing? right. you just call him a poor communicator…after he tried and tried to communicate with you. boom. found the soft spot again. congratulations! well, fuck that bullshit. this is schoolyard bullying trash. nothing else.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. Dragon246

    ^ If this isn’t ban worthy, I don’t know what will be.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. polygem

    lol. then just do it. who wants to be on a party with blockheads anyway.

    #68 2 years ago
  69. G1GAHURTZ

    No bullying, Polygem.

    None at all.

    If anything, it’s the other way around…

    And for the record, I’ve never said anything about OG’s age before.

    #69 2 years ago
  70. monkeygourmet

    @68

    You are one of the most ‘passive aggresive’ and hypocritical people I have ever come across.

    One minute your ‘running’ for the mod’s help playing the victim, the next you are goading people and name-calling.

    Very two faced, and very un-helpful to any decent discussion.

    Look at OG’s original post. Apart from some figures, the overall point he was trying to make is solid and on-topic. Also, if you care to bother about other people’s opinion’s, his views on this subject have been consistant and go with current economy.

    People may find it difficult to justify purchase of an expensive machine at the moment.

    But, no. You have to massage his post and manipulate it into Sony hate. You’ve gotten so used to copy and pasting links everywhere, you have forgotten people can discuss and speculate without doing a google search every 5 seconds.

    As Poly said, this is schoolyard bullying, and in my opinion, you are the worst offender as you try and use other people to do your ‘dirty’ work.

    OG’s opinions weather you like them or not, are established, he’s been around here a lot longer than you remember. His posts, are also, non biased, he enjoy’s all games regardless of systems. This is obviously something I cannot say about you, and your one-sided view in the ‘news’ forum backs this up.

    This is why it’s hilarious that you think yourself so far removed from WOE, when you are doing exactly the same thing.

    Of course, all this is going on and we haven’t even find out if you use alt accounts yet to whip things up into a frenzy or defend yourself. You accuse other people of running away (again, passive aggressive), yet you yourself dodge and dissapear the moment something doesn’t go your way.

    There are lots of forms of abuse and bullying. Don’t think for a second that because you massage the facts or cry ‘fowl’ to a moderator as soon as they appear, you aren’t doing the same thing.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. redwood

    @64 amen to that sistaah

    Edit : this thread is more fun than the ps4-unreal thread.. how do we manage all this? seriously guys..

    #71 2 years ago
  72. Gadzooks!

    ^ This constant vomitous cycle of flag waving and personal trolling in every bloody article is why I’ve moved onto other news sites for discussion.

    Y’all forgot about the games.

    #72 2 years ago
  73. mojo

    keep it coming guys!

    #73 2 years ago
  74. Lengendaryboss

    Wow looks like i missed another party :) whats the topic of debate?

    #74 2 years ago
  75. Dragon246

    @71,
    @Mods,
    Is this behaviour acceptable?

    @71,
    You are the only person I have come across from who got BANNED on VG247. Looks like you still don’t understand why you got banned. Its because of expletives you use there.
    @69,
    Why are you even here then? Helping you is a fools errand really, since you will start insulting again.

    #75 2 years ago
  76. monkeygourmet

    @76
    @Mods

    Again, you have been passive aggressive the WHOLE thread, just have a look back through some of the comments (unless the magic ‘edit’ button has been used), and try and understand why you can’t just do the ‘old switcheroo’…

    Have you ever heard the phrase:

    ‘People in glass houses, shouldn’t throw stones?’

    Your now doing exactly what I outlined. Attacking someone and goading them, then, when things turn around you get upset and say it’s unfair.

    That to me is more poisonous to a community.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. viralshag

    So basically this is based on the number of people signing up to receive info about a console? Out of interest, do they have the numbers on how many people signed up for info on any other console?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear the same thing about the new Xbox. It’s in their best interest to drum up all the attention to the new consoles as possible.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. polygem

    @monkeygourmet: well said.

    if the vg247 staff will indeed start to swing the ban hammer, i do hope they will take a good look at things and will also read between the lines a bit, scratching the surface.

    @76: i really hope you will start to take an honest look at yourself one day.
    thing is, sure, you told me that you think ragnarok odyssey is a better game than dungeon hunter on vita and thanks for that indeed. that is the kind of stuff i am coming to this site for: to have a discussion about games with other passionate gamers. that you feel like you should be proud of yourself for helping out others speaks for itself though imo…just take a look at this thread, i deeply and honestly think you behave like an ass in this thread and i don´t feel like kind words to say just that will work anymore. i have seen stuff like this a hundred times. i am sick of this shit man. serioulsy.

    #78 2 years ago
  79. Lengendaryboss

    @78 Yes. There are officially no other upcoming consoles to sign up for but a similar method might be used for Next Xbox.
    Jesus things are starting to get too heated, guys take a break and lets come back with nice things to say about each other. Arguments don’t have to get this tense. Only being here for like a month how many times does this stuff happen.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. Samoan Spider

    Just for reference, and to throw something into what looked like a really enjoyable troll-hunting fiasco, I just read a nice article on Eurogamer about how the Vita will ‘break UK records’ (from Nov ’11) taking into account that I could walk into any store on any day and buy one ever since launch.

    Ultimately, its all speculation and Gamestop needs its shareholders to want to stay on board, whilst Sony wants everyone to feel like they’re all going to go because ‘shit, if I don’t buy now, there won’t be any left!’
    Its marketing, wake up. If you want to buy, go put money down, but just remember that manufacturers sometimes don’t get much stock to shelves to create a furore and help keep sales going. See Apple as a good example of this.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. viralshag

    @80/81, I found this from last year:

    http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/22/wii-u-pre-orders-sold-out-at-gamestop-retailer-starts-waiting-list/

    It’s almost the exact same thing. If consumers didn’t forget, well, everything so quickly they would see these really basic trends in the marketing of consoles. It’s the good old tactic of trying to reel you in with the impression that “everyone is getting one!”

    Consoles will never ship an amount at launch to satisfy the needs of everyone because they simply have no idea how many people will actually buy one. The last thing you want to do, is fill a supply with no demand, especially when you’re probably losing money on every item.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. monkeygourmet

    @Poly

    I hope so, a lot of situations merit a more ‘in depth’ look to make proper descisions.

    Dragon is very goad at baiting / goading then trying to paint himself as the ‘victim’.

    If you’d been posting on here awhile you start to see people’s tactics or understand their opinions. It’s how I instantly understood what original point OG was trying to make before people jumped on him. His views regarding console pricing in this current climate have been thought provoking and created good discussion.

    So crying for ‘bans’ based on a single comment doesn’t really work. It’s like putting a small plaster on a big wound.

    Posting history does play a part in this.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. monkeygourmet

    @82 & Topic

    Exactly, thanks for finding that.

    It’s the same for most consoles at pre-launch.

    #83 2 years ago
  84. G1GAHURTZ

    “It’s how I instantly understood what original point OG was trying to make before people jumped on him.”

    And what point was that, exactly?

    #84 2 years ago
  85. monkeygourmet

    @85

    Apart from getting figures muddled, that high prices on launch can make things difficult and to keep sales consistant may prove tough.

    Also, previous generations had more ‘hooks’ (bluray etc…) whereas the up coming one looks like to be less of a jump.

    These are questions and subjects he has raised many times before, even suggesting a ‘subscription’ based service which has been a hot topic for awhile.

    Your on here a lot, don’t you make a mild mental note of what people’s views are? Otherwise things would just become like ‘groundhog day’ every time you log in?

    #85 2 years ago
  86. G1GAHURTZ

    Yes, those were his original comments.

    The problem came when he tried to make us all believe that the Wii U had a better launch than the Wii, by explicitly claiming that he had read that the Wii U had sold more units than the Wii over the same launch period (which was a factual inaccuracy, to say the least).

    Nobody “jumped on him” prior to that.

    He has, thus far, refused to back down from that position, or admit any sort of error, other than that he got a few insignificant numbers slightly wrong.

    Nobody had a problem with his views on console pricing in general.

    I know his agenda. I know that he defends and promotes Nintendo products, and frequently speaks negatively of anything mass market.

    He’s an underdog backer, and that’s his prerogative, but he should learn when to admit that he made a mistake.

    #86 2 years ago
  87. polygem

    i have seen og admitting a mistake very often. he does just that in this thread also. he pointed out his mistake but still -the consclusion keeps being the same…and well, what can he do when that´s the case? i am not native english speaking and i can clearly see that.
    i think sometimes, not directly pointed at you now G1GA, people tend to see things a little bit too black and white only. dragon definitley does…speaking of…

    @mods and @dragon:
    just ban dragon and his alt accounts already. just look at this thread and then finally do it. i really think it needs to be done. i am not a friend of banning people. give me 100 guys who attack others directly, in the face, calling them idiots or whatever but at least do that in an honest way…but please don´t let those two faced trolls ruin this site.
    i am the last one here screaming for a ban. never did it before in my whole life actually. but in this case it would totally make sense imho. the guy undermines this page and it really needs to stop imho.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. viralshag

    @88, In fairness I don’t think VG should ban people based on your particular opinion of them.

    And I think that goes for everyone calling for the banhammer. It’s not your place to make the decision and it should be pointless in calling for it too.

    VG staff are the mods, they will hopefully make any decision like that on unbiased terms.

    #88 2 years ago
  89. stretch215

    @89+100. Every person calling for the hammer is just as guilty of the baiting & insulting as the other guy. Lol, glad to see everyone playing their usual roles. @topic- How about we wait until we have a launch price before we start trying to project sales numbers?

    #89 2 years ago
  90. OlderGamer

    Ok folks, good morning.

    I am going to apologize.

    I should have keept my cool a bit more. G1GA, I was out of line calling you “thick”. You missed a couple of the things I was trying to say. Not a big deal, sometimes I miss things too. It happens. I am sorry.

    Dragon I am even going to apologize to you. However, pretty much everything Poly and MG said is spot on. That isn’t a personal attack. Just a understanding that some people are best left alone and not responded to. You are one of those people.

    You very often create a situation where you comonly refer to one thing or another in a way that aims at eliciting a response from certian people. I normaly don’t fall for that type of shit. But sometimes, you get under my skin. I will not let that happen again. I am sorry for losing my cool with you.

    PB, I am going to offer an apology as well. We almost never see eye to eye. And I really don’t like your style of commenting. You do what I like to call sniping. Instead of a post stating what you think, your posts are often picking apart what other people think. I may not like, but you have every right to post that way. So, to single you out, I was worng. I won’t let that happen again either.

    One of the big things here, is not weather or not you respect the posts, but that you really need to repsect the poster. Like Brenna said, attack the arguement and not the person. I should have know better, because I have been there and done that. I have gone toe to toe with several posters that end up being banned for their behavior. I don’t normal stoop down like I did yesterday.

    I let a poster get to me. Classic trolling behavior and it can easily get out of hand. And it did. So, lets try and move on shall we?

    #90 2 years ago
  91. polygem

    @89 and 90: i agree with you. sometimes though – enough just is enough and it needs to be said. it´s not up to me to judge things though. i am involved in this as well, sure.

    “VG staff are the mods, they will hopefully make any decision like that on unbiased terms.” #89

    this exactly, but i really hope the actually WILL make a decission at some point.
    i honestly think it´s about time.
    it is overdue.

    #91 2 years ago
  92. zinc

    Well this is lovely. Group hug?

    #92 2 years ago
  93. Dragon246

    Same here OG, apologies.

    @MG and OG,
    You know, read these-
    http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/15/the-pinball-arcade-in-development-for-ps4/
    Comment #8
    http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/22/vita-has-over-100-titles-coming-in-2013/comment-page-1/#comments
    Comment #3
    http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=9119
    Comment #13
    See?

    Now, I have absolutely zero interest in continuing this in this thread or any other place. So can we have a deal (talking to you OG,MG, and poly)? Ignore my comments, and in return I will ignore all your comments. That means I wont refer to you in any of my comments and hence, I expect the same from you.
    I have really important matters in real life to deal with for next 2 months and I certainly don’t want to waste my time I spend on VG247 on taking insults, I think you all will be on same page on this.

    In other words, no talk between us, and no references (indirect or direct) to each other. Is that OK?

    Can we leave each other alone, PLEASE?

    #93 2 years ago
  94. G1GAHURTZ

    Apology accepted!

    I would also like to apologise for being so harsh about your writing. As a language teacher, it’s never something that I would normally do, and I will try not to do it again.

    I think that our relationship on this website would have a lot less negativity within it if we both made an effort to understand each other more clearly. There have been a number of things that I have tried to explain to you in the past, that I feel you have intentionally not wanted to understand, and I am sure that you feel similarly about me.

    So let’s try and make this experience into a positive, and move forward like real men.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. polygem

    i have to mod a group therapy sitting in 30 minutes. have to prepare this a little bit. so back to work for me…thank you guys, for inspiration, i think my topic today will be: RESPECT
    :)

    #95 2 years ago
  96. Djoenz

    @Dragon246
    I think you’re awesome man wahaha. Everybody hatin.

    #96 2 years ago
  97. No_PUDding

    I don’t get on with any of you, you’re all horrible gits.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. viralshag

    Well that was all a bit gay in the end. Nothing wrong with gay people of course. Just calling it as I see it…

    Sony and Ninty fanboys, pff… ;)

    #98 2 years ago
  99. polygem

    @Dragon: sure. wish we could deal with it without ignoring each other though since that´s not really a solution if you ask me but since we get there ok, let´s just try that.

    #99 2 years ago
  100. Samoan Spider

    Aw man I feel all warm and tingly. Its either you guys have touched me deeply with this therapy that I have just witnessed, or I’ve just wet myself. Right now, I’m unsure.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. polygem

    jusss….let it flow

    #101 2 years ago
  102. DSB

    Stockholm syndrome

    #102 2 years ago
  103. OlderGamer

    That is a deal G1GA as for my grammer/spelling. I gave up years ago. I can paint a picture in your mind so vivid you can almost taste the salt on the seabreeze. But I can not type or spell to save my life and have little grasp for mechanics. Just one of those little ironies in life.

    In all honesty I am a published(real print, not internet) auther. And no, not going more into that here ofc.

    All I can say is that I have had some very dedicated editing done over the years.

    #103 2 years ago
  104. Lengendaryboss

    Ah its so nice to see you guys kiss and make up :)

    #104 2 years ago
  105. monkeygourmet

    Yeah, yeah cool and what not.

    The main thing that annoy’s me on here is the ‘alt account’ business…

    This is something that should be ruled out if possible. The main reason people use alt accounts is to troll. Fair enough, some people like to go under a few different names, but I would even question that as it’s a fairly anonymous forum in the first place.

    Any double or triple log-ins boosting yourself or shit stirring really need to be kept in check for a forum to run well and create good community.

    As soon as I heard people were using alt accounts a while back, I was pretty pissed. It means it’s just easier for trolls (or people who have nothing else to do), to bait and switch and cause a shit storm.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. Samoan Spider

    @106 Yeah this! +1

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbo0282l031rs853vo1_1280.png

    #106 2 years ago
  107. Djoenz

    @106

    My first thought was paranoid maybe? But meh Ive seen worse things on the net.

    Those people are literally no lifers and so fucking sad beyond words.

    @107
    Wahahaha that was one freaking epic episode. Classic ep. Especially when Cartman ate too many hotpockets and he took a dump while not moving an inch from his seat. Priceless.

    #107 2 years ago
  108. Dragon246

    @107,
    Really funny !

    #108 2 years ago
  109. Samoan Spider

    @108 That is one of the funniest episodes of SP for me. I think it’s because they managed to get in soooo many videogame tropes. But that guy in the picture epitomises a lot of people I see on here peddling their shite :P

    #109 2 years ago
  110. Dragon246

    @110,
    I don’t watch South Park, but this ep. seems interesting. Can you name the ep. or ep. no.?

    @97,
    Same love here man!

    #110 2 years ago
  111. OlderGamer

    “Make love not warcraft” is the name of the episode. One of my favs SP shows.

    #111 2 years ago
  112. Dragon246

    ^Thanks.

    #112 2 years ago
  113. Dave Cook

    @113 it’s awesome Dragon, you’ll like it I’m sure. Then watch the Crack Baby Basketball episode where they poke fun at EA and Peter Moore.

    #113 2 years ago
  114. OlderGamer

    Tbh, I love SP. I never thought I would and didn’t watch them when they came out. But they are amazingly funny and spot on so often it is scary. They have a few video game related episode. But, imo, nothing beats the “humancentipad”.

    #114 2 years ago

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    Final Fantasy 15 doesn’t just have “open world gameplay”, it has a true open world – one continuous stretch of environment. “The world is connected by continuous land,” director Hajime Tabata told Gamespot. “If those areas were disconnected, it would feel distant from reality. You’ll find that you’ll be able to walk or drive or […]

  • Suikoden, Suikoden 2 EU PSN release date locked down

    Suikoden and its first sequel will be available via the European PlayStation Network soon. Suikoden publisher Konami has confirmed a February 4 release date for the two RPG classics. CONFIRMED! #Suikoden I & II EU #PSN release date is FEB 4TH! http://t.co/ObOIvZDJAK pic.twitter.com/aM760R2Gez — Konami UK (@KonamiUK) January 22, 2015 It’s been a long wait […]

  • Dying Light physical release set for February 20, says Gamestop Italy

    Dying Light’s physical release has been delayed, but at least one European retailer thinks it knows what’s going on. Dying Light’s physical release date is February 20, according to Gamestop Italy. According to Tmag (Italian, via Google Translate), there’s been no response from local representatives of publisher Warner Bros. Although the digital release will take […]

  • Free online multiplayer update now available for Trials Fusion

    Online multiplayer is now available as a free update to Trials Fusion. The online component includes three new four to eight player multiplayer modes on PC, PS4 and Xbox One and up to four players on Xbox 360. These are the three new gameplay modes included with the update can be found through a previous […]

  • This video for indie survival horror Monstrum features all in-game footage

    Monstrum launches on Steam Early Access January 29 and today, you can have a look at a video for it featuring all in-game footage. Developed by Team Junkfish the survival horror game set on a derelict cargo ship which combines roguelike elements, such as procedurally generated levels and permadeath thanks to AI driven predators. Monstrum […]

  • Here’s quick look at Dead Rising: Watchtower starring Rob Riggle

    A short look at the film adaptation of Dead Rising has surfaced. Transformers director Lorenzo di Bonaventura headed the project and it was directed by Zach Lipovsky. It stars comedy actor Rob Riggle as Frank West, along with Academy Awards nominated actress Virginia Madsen (Candyman, Sideways), Dennis Haysbert (24), Meghan Ory (Once Upon a Time), and […]

  • A Kickstarter for Underworld Ascendant will launch next month

    OtherSide Entertainment, an independent games studio fronted by Paul Neurath, has announced it’s developing Underworld Ascendant. Neurath is the founder and CEO of the new studio ad his resume includes franchises such as Thief, System Shock and 1992′s Underworld Underworld. The studio hopes Underworld Ascendant will “innovate and revitalize” the fantasy genre. More details will […]

  • APB Reloaded heading to PS4 and Xbox One during Q2 2015

    APB Reloaded will indeed be heading to PlayStation 4 and Xbox One during late Q2 this year, which puts its release sometime around the end of June. Reloaded Productions announced in September 2014 it was working on bringing the free-to-play PC title to consoles during the Digital Media Wire event in New York City. The […]

  • Game of Thrones: Episode 2 -The Lost Lords arrives in February – video

    Release dates for Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series have been announced. A new video offering a “first look” has also appeared. Below is the story synopsis, which you may want to skip if you haven’t played Episode One. House Forrester is in disarray. Their liege lord and his heir are dead, and Ironrath […]

  • The open beta for Nosgoth has gone live

    Consider this a friendly reminder: the Nosgoth open beta has started. Announced last week, the open beta can be accessed through the official website. Once you link your Steam account, just log into the service and start downloading the client. Everyone that plays the tester will receive double XP through January 28. More information is […]

  • First gameplay footage of Homeworld Remastered Collection being shown this weekend

    Homeworld Remastered Collection news and the first gameplay footage of Gearbox Software’s remake will be revealed at PAX South this weekend. The news and video will be shown during the Inside Gearbox Software panel at 10.30am CST on Sunday. It will also be streamed on Twitch. Gearbox is hoping to have Homeworld Remastered released by […]

  • Latest Final Fantasy Type-0 HD video delves more into combat

    Square Enix has released its latest Orience News video for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, and it provides insight into character combat styles and techniques. In the video you will see the elite combat force of Class Zero going deeper into battle to improve their skills. Combat is party-based and each of the three characters in […]

  • Something really cool happens when you finish Resident Evil HD *spoiler*

    Those who finish Resident Evil HD will be met with a really nice surprise at the end. If you wish to find out what it is on your own, DO NOT head below the break. You have been warned. According to images posted by Reddit user omeganemesis28, a thank you message from Resident Evil creator […]

  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain release date “should be” announced soon

    A release date for Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain “should be able” to be announced soon, according to the latest Kojima Station webcast. New information on the game will also be announced at the Taipei Game Show on January 31, per Game Spark (thanks, Gemtasu). “I know you’ve all been eagerly await for […]

  • Punch-Out!!, more Throwback offerings arrive on Nintendo US eShop

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with Punch-Out!!, Citizens of Earth and Part Two of the Throwback Sale. Here’s the entire update: Nintendo eShop releases Punch-Out!! (originally for Wii) – also 50% off until January 29 Citizens of Earth – introductory price of $11.99 until January 27 Breezeblox (Wii) Midnight (Wii […]

  • The Witcher Battle Arena has arrived on the App Store and Google Play

    The Witcher Battle Arena, CD Projekt RED and Fuero Games’ mobile MOBA, has been released. In Battle Arena, two three-hero teams fight it out as they try to capture and hold conquest points. The game features “no pay-to-win elements”, instead it contains a “player-friendly monetization system.” Every item and functionality can be unlocked entirely through […]

  • Second wave of Star Wars titles arrive on GOG, third wave next week

    The second wave of Star Wars titles will arrive on GOG.com today with more coming January 27. Today you can pick up the following: Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 3D (digital distribution premiere) Star Wars Rebellion (digital distribution premiere) Star Wars Empire at War: Gold Pack On January 27, the final three games of this wave […]

  • If Microsoft is serious about PC games, Xbox One should be the real Steam Machine

    Forget the magic space goggles. Maybe Valve doesn’t have the wherewithal to realise PC gaming’s TV dream, but Microsoft holds all the keys. If Microsoft really wants to get into PC gaming full-time, it needs to get around the table with Mr Newell and its platinum chequebook. “It’s time for us to talk about gaming […]

  • Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1 releases on Steam next week

    Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1 will be released on Steam for PC next week. The PC version of the was announced earlier this month and contains upgraded graphics, runs in 1080p, and has both Japanese and English audio. It will release on January 28 for $14.99. Fairy Fencer F and Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 2 also coming […]

  • Take a look at the controls and special abilities in The Order: 1886

    The Order: 1886 has a new trailer available that highlights the game’s controls and reveals the two special abilities the main protagonist has at his disposal. The game uses a similar control scheme to other shooters, but just in case you wanted to see more gameplay, we’ve got just the thing. The most interesting parts […]

  • These elderly people are better at GTA 5 than you’d expect

    Do old people get video games? Namely something known for its violence like GTA? Well, you’re about to find out. The latest REACT production sits a few elderly men and women in a room and lets them play GTA 5. The results are not what you’d expect, they start off getting a feel for the […]

  • More major Microsoft titles will be coming to PC

    Microsoft will bring more of its franchises to PC. Following on from yesterday’s big Windows stream, Microsoft has released a full recap on Xbox Wire. In the blog post, the firm hid a small bit of news revealing that Fable Legends will not be the only title to come to PC. “Today we announced that […]

  • Someone is attempting to recreate Dark Souls’ Lordran in Minecraft

    Lordran, the land of the ancient lords will soon be explorable in Minecraft thanks to a passionate modder. Davweed is a talented modder attempting to recreate the entire world of Lordran in Minecraft. Lordran is the land where the entire Dark Souls game is set. The goal is to make it a 1:1 scale of […]

  • Elite: Dangerous is getting Community Goals with update 1.1 – all the details

    Patch 1.1 is Elite: Dangerous’ first major update. Developer Frontier has detailed Community Goals, the big change coming with the patch, and more. We were told last week that big additions are coming with patch 1.1, due in February. Today, we learn in more detail what those features are. Namely, what the developer is calling […]

  • Sunset Overdrive, Skyrim and Dead Rising 3 highlight this week’s Deals with Gold

    A new week, a new set of deals for Xbox Live Gold subscribers and we’ve got the full list. Major Nelson posted the deals which are live now and run through Monday, January 26. Highlights include Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3, Skyrim, Final Fantasy 13-2 and more. Check the full list below. Xbox One Dead […]

  • Survarium: 10,000 FREE Premium account keys to give away

    We have 10,000 codes to give away for MMOFPS Survarium, granting the player a Premium account for 24 hours along with 5,000 Silver coins. Each key gives the player a Premium account for 24 hours along with 5,000 Silver in-game currency. A Premium account gives you 50 percent more experience, income and reputation for 24 […]

  • “I don’t like people thinking we’re doing underhanded, dirty shit,” says Evolve dev

    Despite what it looks like, Evolve developers did not intend to give out the wrong signals when it comes to the game’s DLC plan. Evolve creative director Phil Robb spoke to Destructoid in an interview that was conducted late last year about the studio’s approach to DLC, map packs and more. Robb’s idea is that […]

  • Clock Tower spiritual successor Night Cry gets first screens

    Night Cry is coming along nicely and today we get our first look at it. Ever since the announcement of Project Scissors (at the time) last September, and then the name change to Night Cry, we’ve been waiting to see what the game looks like, especially since it’s developed with mobile platforms in mind. Today, […]

  • Tekken X Street Fighter is still happening, 40 people working on it

    Tekken X Street Fighter is definitely not vaporware. A team of 40 developers is currently working on it, according to director Katushiro Harada. Harada was interviewed by Polygon. In the interview, he touched on many topics, one of which is the status of the seemingly-never-coming-out Tekken X Street Fighter. “It’s very difficult to talk about,” […]

  • From Game of Thrones to Borderlands: all of Telltale’s adventure games rated

    Telltale Games has an impressive back catalogue of licensed adventure games to its name, and we have opinions about all of them. Note that this rundown doesn’t include bundles, the non-adventure games or games published by Telltale but created by other developers. It’s also got a fair bit of speculation in it, since at least […]

  • There is probably a new Battletoads game coming

    If you’ve watched last night’s Windows presentation you knew you recognised that logo on Phil Spencer’s t-shirt. Wearing a t-shirt with a logo of an upcoming game is an antic we’ve come to expect from Xbox boss Phil Spencer now. Based on that, we wouldn’t be alone in predicting that a new Battletoads game is […]

  • Here’s a short, 60fps trailer for DmC: Definitive Edition

    DmC: Definitive Edition has a new video available that shows the game running at 60 frames-per-second. Capcom has put out a short new trailer for the Definitive Edition of DmC: Devil May Cry that takes a look at different stages and boss fights. The video begs to watched in 1080p60 quality, if your connection can […]

  • Xbox One to PC streaming targeting 1080p, 60fps

    Microsoft has revealed that it’s looking to achieve 1080p resolution at 60 frames-per-second when the Xbox One game streaming launches later this year. The question of what final resolution and framerate Xbox One game streaming will operate at was on a lot of people’s minds when the demo was shown. Thankfully, Microsoft’s Mike Ybarra has […]

  • Microsoft is looking at offering PC to Xbox streaming

    Having announced Xbox One to PC streaming as part of its Windows event last night, Microsoft said that making the process a two-way street is on the cards. Microsoft’s Phil Spencer sat down to do a group interview following the Windows event and talked a little bit about the firm’s plans for streaming, including a […]

  • Watch John Romero play Doom

    John Romero made DOOM, and now you can watch him play it, dropping many a delightful gem of insight regarding one of the most important shooters of all time. This video was organised by Double Fine as part of its Devs Play series, a thing I only just discovered and now want to marathon all […]

  • World of Speed has gotten fairly pretty over the past year

    World of Speed has produced a new trailer, showing off the racing MMO’s progress over the past year. Announced one year ago, World of Speed is looking pretty damn shiny now. Check it out in this trailer, which introduces the Mountain Spiral Road location and teases several yet to be revealed. World of Speed comes […]

  • Minecraft user data leaked in plain text – change your passwords

    Minecraft users should change their passwords and those of any accounts using the same log-in details. Minecraft’s user data servers have apparently been compromised, with user names and passwords leaked online in plain text. 1,800 Mojang accounts were affected. The news comes via German source Heise and The Guardian and has been treated quite seriously […]

  • Resident Evil: The Final Chapter will commence filming in August

    The sixth Resident Evil movie is back on track. Resident Evil: The Final Chapter will begin filming in August, having been delayed to accomodate star Milla Jovovich’s pregnancy. In a Facebook post, Jovovich said she’s currently being very mindful of gaining enough weight to ensure a healthy birth for her second child, without the risk […]

  • Nintendo bosses “do not really understand modern gaming”, says former executive

    Former Nintendo executive Dan Adelman has provided frank insight into the Japanese platform holder’s inner workings. Adelman, who was one of Nintendo’s most important developer liaisons, left in August 2014. One of the first things he did was say that Nintendo had issued a gag order on his social media use, and shortly thereafter called […]

  • Sony’s 10% apology discount doesn’t apply to pre-orders

    Sony has updated the terms and conditions of its apology discount to exclude pre-orders. PSN members have been offered a 10% discount voucher as an apology for downtime over the holidays due to DDoS attacks. In an update to the PlayStation Blog announcement post, Sony clarified that you can’t use this for pre-orders. So. That […]

  • 343 to beta test Halo: The Master Chief Collection matchmaking fix

    Halo: The Master Chief Collection is still broken, believe it or not. The next Halo: The Master Chief Collection update is, like most of the others so far, designed to resolve the shooter collection’s ongoing matchmaking woes. 343 Industries is determined to get it right, apparently, as it’s gone so far as to elect to […]

  • Here’s the release schedule for Star Citizen’s story and first-person modules

    Star Citizen lead Chris Roberts has shared release windows for several modules of the space simulation sandbox. Star Citizen was the focus of a BAFTA Masterclass presentation yesterday, during which Roberts outlined the game’s current development milestone goals. Polygon captured the details. The first person shooter, planetside and social elements on the game are expected […]

  • Destiny: Crota’s End Hard Mode has already been beaten

    Destiny’s toughest challenge got extra tough today, but a troop of willing Guardians stepped up to the line of duty. Destiny developer Bungie has verified the identities of the first Guardians to beat hard mode for the Crota’s End raid, which launched earlier today. Bungie User Research has confirmed the World First finishers for the […]

  • All maps and modes for Battlefield Hardline detailed

    A third map and mode has been announced for Battlefield Hardline which means all modes and maps have been revealed. The new mode is Crosshair, a second competitive mode in which a former criminal “turned state’s witness” is on the run. His former buddies, who are criminals, are trying to kill him and the cops […]

  • Alien: Isolation has sold over 1 million copies

    Alien: Isolation has sold over 1 million copies, Creative Assembly and SEGA announced today, and probably in joyous fashion, although PR mails never denote the writer’s mood. The quote included from creative lead, Alistair Hope does sound as though he is super pleased with the milestone. “It has been fantastic to watch the reviews come […]

  • Fable Legends launching on PC alongside Xbox One with cross-platform play

    Fable Legends was announced for PC today during Microsoft’s Windows 10 event, along with the news it would contain cross-platform play with Xbox One. The game will allow you to play with up to four of your friends online across both platforms. A video from the team at Lionhead, which goes into more detail, was […]