John Carmack praises PS4: “Sony made wise engineering choices”

Ofc, because it is a PC now. LOL

I hope people will open it so you can install Windows 7-8 on it just for fun.

There is a lot more to the engineering side of things than making it from similar components to a PC.

@2 +1 Even because they’ve said (I guess, did they?) that it’s a SOC (System On a Chip) that is very different from a usual PC.

Explaining the advantages of this solution would take a very long post but, trust me, it’s a very efficient architecture!

@2,3, PS4 is a supercharged PC. End of story.
Even their guy at the stage said that.

It’s microarchitecture is almost the same as on my PC right now.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/inside-the-playstation-4-a-balanced-approach-to-building-a-game-console/ – Fact.

There’s pro’s and con’s to everything and designing anything is about compromises but from what I’ve read he’s dead right. Now, if only he’d get back to making Doom4 and perhaps Quake5 (if only to satisfy my own selfish wants and needs )

“Quake5″

I want it to be like Quake 3 so much and maybe something from Quake 2 singleplayer. Would be fantastic.

Great, now there is no excuse to make garbage games like Rage.

@6 Yeah, I agree there, but I’m also in two minds. The other part of me wants Quake 1 darkness and pace but maybe that’s just my fond memories of high speed gaming.

@3, That’s just what AMD brand as their APU, my laptop has one+ a discrete GPU that is capable of crossfire with these APU. I guess you could also claim that Intel uses SoC with their Intel HD bullshit. I’d imagine that they designed it with an additional discrete GPU on there PS4 because I don’t think any APU will be individually capable of those kind of graphics for at least 3 years.

@4
CPU is a PC CPU. GPU is a PC GPU. Engineering is about how all the components are designed to fit together, communicate and work together.

You said it was a PC first, now it’s a supercharged PC. How do you supercharge a PC if the components aren’t high end and aren’t upclocked? Through good engineering and architecture.

@1 since when became installing Windows fun?

@4 Fact: you don’t know what you’re talking about.

well maybe he can make a game that’s actually good this time.

Who cares whether or not PS4 is a PC?
If it helps developers make more games for it that look and run decently enough, then it is a winner. If it makes the development harder and results in a PS3 vs 360 support situation then all the tech and architecture uniqueness in the world won’t matter.

So far, PS4 has shown some seriously strong support for developers (From PC guys like Carmack to console devs like Square) and that is a huge plus.

It’s not a PC. End of.

On another note, Carmack’s blessing is high praise indeed!

Same stuff as on CVG and probably everywhere else.

Saying “made wise engineering choices” does NOT necessarily contradict “Sony and Microsoft are going to fight over gigaflops and teraflops and GPUs and all this. In the end, it won’t make that much difference”!

It can also very well mean “they assembled the fairly low tech hardware in the best way possible”, prioritized in the right ways, etc.
Not that it is great overall.

@16

“they assembled the fairly low tech hardware in the best way possible”

I’m guessing you hail from the year 2021. Welcome future traveller.

@15 Then you don’t know what a PC really is. Kind of sad…

@15 to be fair #18 is right. Here’s a quote for you:
‘A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator.’

Now if it were purely games, then thats not general purpose. However, you have a camera, text, video and voice chat, movie viewing, internet browsing (I guess), music playing……Blah blah blah. That makes it general purpose I’d say.

ps4 emulator on pc. that’s what it comes down to. the closer the architecture, the easier to achieve.

Says the guy who made Rage… great..

This is bad. Really. If this guy says system is good – you bet your arse it’s shit.

GODDAMMIT! I’ll have to move to PC next gen…

Pc gaming and p gamers the borg has turned console gaming into a pc the Borg!

We are The Borg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8

@15 a blessing from john carmack mean garbage he is a has been in the gaming Industry. His last game was a flop and he hates his fanbase.

PC architecture makes it easier on developers who cut their teeth on PCs. Easier means more quality software in less time, and lower cost. It’s really that simple. It took Sony a while longer than the competition to figure that out. But figure it out they did, and I’m very happy about it.

Carmack`s a clever cunt he knows what hes talking about from time to time. The PS4 looks pretty good i guess. But i have a feeling Microsoft are going to wipe there arse`s with that presentation when they reveal whatever they reveal or it will be so monumentally in the other direction that they will kill the xbox brand balmers head will crack like a runny egg.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-22-ps4-pc-like-architecture-8gb-ram-delight-developers

Sounds like devs in general are positive about it.

Which is very refreshing to hear after the PS3 debacle of being so difficult to develop for.

PC is more than a CPU. For example, to be considered a true PC the BIOS must meet certain criteria that specific to the PC platform. I don’t think the PS4 meet these specifications…

Instead let’s say the PS4 use common PC parts, but they are put together in a way that is different than true PC specs, like type of bus, memory controller, etc… There’s much more than just CPU.

I just want to add thiss hare this here ps4 from angry joe

Angry Joe – PS4 Vlog Impressions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l15nv-09h5c