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Pachter deems Wii U a “mistake” Nintendo can’t recover from

Monday, 18th February 2013 16:13 GMT By Dave Cook

Wii U was a mistake that Nintendo may not be able to recover from, according to Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter.

It comes as Wii U software sales only accounted for 1.6% of the UK’s total games market spend in January.

Pachter has since labelled the UK games market “a joke”, due to the ferocity of retailers under-cutting each other for a guaranteed sale.

Speaking with GamesBeat, Pachter said, “I think [Nintendo] misfired on the Wii U. It’s just not that different from the other two [existing] consoles, and the gameplay isn’t as unique as the Wii. They made a mistake, it’s something they probably can’t recover from.

“I think they have made a costly mistake. And their handheld business can’t save them in the face of cannibalization from smartphones and tablets.”

As a comparison, GamesBeat offers that Nintendo failed to sell over 100,000 Wii U consoles in the US through January, while some 281,000 Xbox 360 consoles were shifted by rival Microsoft in the region.

The site adds that Wii U console sales in the US are currently down 38% on the original Wii.

What do you make of Nintendo’s situation and the performance of Wii U so far?

Thanks Destructoid.

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75 Comments

  1. Erthazus

    I think we are starting to see Nintendo going the way of a SEGA with it’s Dreamcast.

    Still, they have chance to show games at this E3.
    and this is a sign that people are less interested in console gaming. Next gen Sony and MS need to prove that console gaming is still relevant.

    #1 1 year ago
  2. OmegaSlayer

    I wonder who’s the seasoned gamer that didn’t expect this situation.
    Expect the situation to get worsse in the very next weeks after the PS4 reveal.
    Who’s gonna put money on a current gen console when a new, more performing one, will be released in few months?
    Pachter didn’t mentioned that the problem of the WiiU is “TOO LATE”

    #2 1 year ago
  3. Froseidon

    I’m not the only one that thinks Patcher talks out of his arse a lot of the time, am I?

    I know the Wii U is doing bad, but they surely have enough income left from the Wii, or at least, some for any sort of shocks the company may face.

    I don’t think Nintendo will fail because of this, it’s just a set-back it seems.

    #3 1 year ago
  4. stevenhiggster

    @3 Most companies don’t keep a lot of spare cash, it generally will all get spent on r&d and shit like that. If the WiiU continues to bomb then they could have to make huge changes. I do t imagine they’ll go bust or anything as severe as that but they definitely will have to change their plans.
    On the plus side though for all Pachter goes on about smartphones and tablets, the 3DS is still selling by the ton.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. Phoenixblight

    @3

    You would think so but when the 3ds was doing horribly what did the CEOs of Nintendo do? They reduced their own paychecks in order to afford the price cut of 3ds in order to persuade people to buy the hand held. Very honorable but what seems to be Nintendo’s problem is they release a system without any titles so hardcore fans buy the system then have to sit on their hands as they wait for the next first party IPs are released.
    You can’t sell a system without software. You would think they would have figured this out by now with PSOne and Ps2 have proven this. Wii was one of those perfect storm things because the wiiMote was innovative and everyone wanted to have it. Tablets don’t have that similar effect especially if there are no games to show the asymmetrical gameplay.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. daytripper

    Starting to agree with him

    #6 1 year ago
  7. Jogo

    @2

    “Who’s gonna put money on a current gen console when a new, more performing one, will be released in few months?”

    100 Millionen people that Bought the original Wii. Tzzzz.

    The WiiU has just the same situation the 3ds had at its start- than: pricedrop (which will happen for WiiU this christmas) plus hitgames like mario kart (which will be mario 3d, possibly mario kart etc. for WiiU this christmas too) and now it is supposed to be the best gaming system out there and possibly selling as much as the ds did in lifetime sales.

    So not so quick everyone.

    Remember: Don’t fuck with Nintendo… Gameplay matters.
    Why do people always forget?

    #7 1 year ago
  8. OmegaSlayer

    @Froseidon
    Let’s assume you bought a WiiU and realize it’s a failure.
    Let’s assume Nintendo realizes it’s a failure and releases a new console in a year and a half/2 years and stop supporting the WiiU.
    Would you purchase the new system?
    Nintendo could not crash economically but just in the consumer’s mind.
    Nes/Famicom and SNES/SFamicom were great but then?
    After those Nintendo didn’t release a single console that could appeal to every non-Nintendo fan.
    So Nintendo has an history of failing with consoles.
    If it wasn’t for grandpas and grandmas buying the Wii, it woulkd have been a flop too.
    Just look at the CORE sales of an hardcore title like Xenoblade.
    Nintendo was dying before the WiiU.
    It’s crumbling to pieces.
    IMHO it’s unacceptable to see a Japanese company apologizing for delays, it’s so NOT Japanese.
    Nintendo would better go multiplatform on home consoles (since this could really be the last gen of consoles) and keep manufacturing succesful handheld devices.

    #8 1 year ago
  9. Night Hunter

    Big Mario, Zelda, etc. and Nintendo is in the green. Maybe they won’t make as much money as with the Wii but still. Everything Pachter says is taurus faeces

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Jogo

    How quick huge succes gets forgotten by people that dislike a certain company…

    Nintendo is now! still the LEADER IN SALES in mobile and home consoles. The new consoles from microsoft and sony haven’t released yet. As soon as games will be there for WiiU it will sell, as always, why do people forget so quickly.

    don’t let your opinion be influenced that easy from someone whoh clearly has his own interests..

    #10 1 year ago
  11. fihar

    The minute a new Zelda/Mario/Mario Kart/SSB comes out, I’m pretty sure the WiiU will somehow bounce back.
    The WiiU was never going to be able to replicate the success it’s predecessors had, but I wouldn’t necessarily call it a mistake.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. BlockheadBrown

    When’s the last time Pachter was right about Nintendo? Actually, when was the last time he was right about anything? More misfires than direct hits. He honestly doesn’t deserve the attention.

    #12 1 year ago
  13. mistermogul

    @4 – Nintendo are a cash rich company and I think they have in the billions of dollars in reserve.

    I agree with Pachter though when he said Wii U is too late to market. It should have been out 2010/2011 in my opinion and with a much stronger launch. I’m not sure why Nintendo took so long to market with WiiU. I think the sudden death of the Wii took even them by surprise…

    #13 1 year ago
  14. Jogo

    Pachter on 3ds after proven wrong :

    “Now that we are seeing more first party titles at a lower price point, sales have increased. It’s definitely turned the corner.”

    This same comment in a year for WiiU – - Guaranteed.!! :) HaHa

    http://mynintendonews.com/2012/01/04/pachter-admits-he-was-wrong-about-nintendo-3ds-pricing-3ds-will-never-catch-nintendo-ds/

    #14 1 year ago
  15. theevilaires

    I agree 1,000,000,000,000,000% and you all know its true or you’re just blind by your own delusion.

    #15 1 year ago
  16. daytripper

    Wish some of you would fuck right off with this persecution complex, it’s moronic. There are people who simply dislike the direction the Wii U took, like me, who have no “hatred” or automatic dislike for Nintendo. How narrow minded, labelling people haters, when you don’t exactly love something you are a hater too then, if that’s your logic.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. DrDamn

    @8
    “Nintendo would better go multiplatform on home consoles (since this could really be the last gen of consoles) and keep manufacturing succesful handheld devices.”

    Beginning to agree with this. Though I think they have a big chance at E3 to show some good, playable and interesting stuff too. They still have a lot of time before the new consoles from MS & Sony really kick in. They do need to do a better job of showing what you can do with the WiiU with their own software though.

    #17 1 year ago
  18. Cobra951

    I’m beyond sad. If they released *one* must-have classic-Nintendo game, they’d still have a chance. I can’t get over the lack of *anything* to motivate the masses to buy into this. How is it possible that they made this huge investment without a killer app? After all these years, you’d think they’d know that software drives the hardware.

    @4: Actually, Nintendo is historically very conservative with cash, keeping a lot in reserve. They may be able to weather this, if they can turn things around in time.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. M. K.

    @1: You’re missing one point, SEGA had a great console with great games, which Nintendo doesn’t ;)

    #19 1 year ago
  20. OmegaSlayer

    It’s fun to see these Nintendo fanboy comments.
    How old are you kids? 15?
    Because to me it seems you don’t remember past stuff too well.
    NES sold 69 Mil
    SNES sold 49 Mil
    (and they had only Sega as contender)
    Nintendo 64 sold 33 Mil
    Gamecube sold 22 Mil
    Wii sold 98 Mil

    If you see the trend…Nintendo lost ground with each new console, except the Wii that was something different…for me it’s hard to call it videogames console…

    So, for what regards home consoles, Nintendo does crap numbers.
    Wake up and study history kids, or shut up and don’t say Nintendo will start to sell.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Hirmetrium

    There are ALWAYS ways to recover.

    Nintendo could re-purpose the Wii U into a newer console and withdraw the old models (with an upgrade service, or something). This would be easy – keep the controller design and beef up the internals to match what Sony/MS are promising. Granted, its early days but the sooner the better. That would rapidly bring them up to par, although its a flimsey idea.

    Much easier to cut the price and get some good software out. That’s all we need. I guess the problem is, new games are probably 2 years in development at least if they started at this point in time from scratch.

    Nintendo NEEDS third party developer support WORLDWIDE. They can’t rely on their Japanese partners. They need to network, get some deals going, and get some software out.

    Hell, they could revive project HAMMER and get it out there, get some games on the shelves.

    The Wii U has arrived both too soon and too early. And its suffering. Don’t need an analyst to tell us that.

    #21 1 year ago
  22. theevilaires

    For the record I love the Wii U. Its the console I wanted Nintendo to release after the Gamecube, motion controls or with out I didn’t care. I don’t hate Nintendo but you can’t help but realize they boxed themselves in a stupid spot they are in now.

    You have to realize and accept that they ultimately made a mistake by not releasing the Wii U in 2006 instead of a weaker “lite” version to compete with now current HD consoles. Its not hatred if someone is trying to shine light (truth) in your eyes and you refuse to focus on logic.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. Jogo

    @ 16

    People just disagree that the wiiU is labeled as a failure etc. already, its too early to say.

    All the nintendo fans surely aren’t happy that there is no software too.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. Bomba Luigi

    Yeah… you know, its kinda funny. Everywhere People who know for sure that the WiiU will be failure, or a Hit, just because they all so süüüüüper Smart, Übermensch and so.

    Thats not something you just can’t know now, no one here can see in the Future. Of course at some Point of Time one of the two Things will happen and some People can Hugh themself because they so smart they can even see the Future, but they just had luck. Because something has to happen, and there will always be some People that predicted that. But it still is just a lucky Shot.

    Only time can Tell us where the WiiU will be in 1,2 or 3 Years. So lets wait and see. But nobody can see the Future just because they have Internet.

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Francis O

    @1 If you really think Nintendo is going to go the way of SEGA…. your a idiot.

    Pachter said the same thing about the 3DS. And look at it now. This is the same guy who said the PSP will crush the DS, the PS4 will run games at 240 FPS, ect. He’s wrong a majority of the time.

    #25 1 year ago
  26. daytripper

    @23 The manner in which they disagree you would expect from a five year old

    #26 1 year ago
  27. absolutezero

    I fucking despise arm-chair analysts.

    Utterly detest them.

    Once again : http://youtu.be/TE7kXJe0PUs

    #27 1 year ago
  28. theevilaires

    “People just disagree that the wiiU is labeled as a failure etc. already, its too early to say”.

    People said the same thing about the PS3 and look at it huh…right ;)

    …but guys you’re forgetting Nintendo isn’t SONY. Third party supports SONY far better than Nintendo because 3rd party does better on that platform. Plus SONY has way more mega hit 1st party titles than Nintendo’s rehash mixes every gen.

    So the whole doom and gloom its too early to say this about Nintendo can go both ways but the it seems like the “haters” have better reasoning and logic on their side when comparing the Wii U to the PS3 at launch.

    PS3 always had potential from the gate. The Wii U’s potential has already been slashed in half by the original Wii and being taken bits and pieces apart by the smartphone and tablet also. Not to mention I will never buy a third part version Wii U game because I’m too vested in my trophy collection now.

    Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is $40 at target this week on all consoles and I have yet to buy/play it. Guess which console I’m going to buy it for even though its the same game across all the three platforms.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. daytripper

    @27.man the level of ignorance in that video is shocking, especially the uncharted comment

    #29 1 year ago
  30. DrDamn

    @25
    “your a idiot.”

    Quality.

    #30 1 year ago
  31. Bomba Luigi

    @28 “Plus SONY has way more mega hit 1st party titles than Nintendo’s rehash mixes every gen.”

    I would not say that. Look at the Sale Numbers of NSMB Wii or Mario Kart Wii. Sony Exclusive don’t even come Close to that Numbers.
    Still love PS3 Exclusives, but in Terms of “Big” when it comes to Sale Numbers, there are not many Games that can Match that. And they do that with Mulitplattform (CoD)

    #31 1 year ago
  32. mistermogul

    @18 – Well said dude.

    I am quite confused myself how Nintendo managed to let the Wii die yet have nothing to replace it with until last November.

    They were far too late with the WiiU and even when that did launch it felt rushed with many issues and a lack of games.

    What I want to know is wtf have Nintendo been doing since 2008 with regard to their home console business? It seems they completely mis-judged the Wii’s lifespan or simply were too ignorant to believe it’s early demise.

    I hope they turn the fortunes of WiiU around like they did 3DS but right now things are looking pretty shaky imo.

    Looking forward to seeing what MS and Sony have in store though!

    #32 1 year ago
  33. silkvg247

    I really don’t know where they were going, releasing a new machine at the end of current-gen which is on par with current-gen but far behind next (imminent) gen.

    Also the price point is an off putter for such outdated hardware. People bought the wii cos it was cheap, not just because it was innovative.

    They’ve brought nothing appealing to the table for anyone. Wrong hardware. Wrong price. No spectacular platform exclusives.

    #33 1 year ago
  34. Cobra951

    @33: The Wii had the right price, but that alone would not have made it such a runaway (short-term) success. It was unique and innovative with its motion controls *and the popular software* to take advantage of it (Wii Sports). This brought in the large casual crowd. Unfortunately for Nintendo, casuals don’t stick around. Only real gamers do.

    The WiiU gimmicks don’t capture the imagination of potential buyers like the Wiimote did. And as you said, no compelling software.

    #34 1 year ago
  35. OlderGamer

    “People bought the wii cos it was cheap,”

    Price means everything.

    Being a WiiU owner, I can tell you the tech/graphics whatever you want to call it is very good. That isn’t an issue. The GamePad is excelent, that is a great feature, and isn’t an issue. It boils down to price.

    WiiU is just too expensive. Vita has the best feature set of the dedicated handhelds. Has the best graphics. Has the best tech. Has the more ambitious core games. And it gets out sold by the 3DS. Tech and hardware power isn’t the issue there either. It is price.

    “Consoles are, ultimately, the AAA platform. They’re the platform where expensively developed games with high production values are sold at a high cost to consumers who care deeply about the pastime and are willing to devote significant disposable income to it. That’s fine, and it’s a lucrative corner of the industry – but it’s not enough”

    and

    “The problem consoles face in the next generation isn’t that people are playing simple casual games on phones – it’s that developers of complex, interesting and engrossing games are bringing them to phones, tablets and PCs rather than jumping through the ludicrous hoops it takes to get a game onto a console.”

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-15-playstation-4-must-demolish-the-walled-garden

    My point is that the mass market gamer, the less dedicated(but still representing a large revenue slice of the pie) simply has more option today. And those options are cheaper. And often on a device that said person deems having more value then just playing a game. A tablet is a handy device. Cell Phones are “needed”. And you can do so much more with a laptop. For people like this games are less of a priotrity and more of a bonus. Models like Free 2 Play flourish. Small, cheap impulse purchases games become the norm. These are the people that(in the past) would have supported a system(like WiiU/PS4) after the launch. After the dedicated fans have all rushed to the stores and collected their preorders.

    They are the true Mass market in every sense of the word. And, I think, they have been moving away from dedicated gaming platforms for years. I think that is why MS(for example) is trying so hard to offer so many diverse things. We all know that more people watch Netflix then play games on XB360, and that more people use PS3 for Netflix then use xb360 lol. The result is that while many of us here are avid and dedicated gamers, the truth is much of the user base of PS3 and XB360 aren’t.

    Again they represent a large slice of the pie. I don’t think they want another serving. I think they are happy with what they own, and I think they will stay with their current platforms or wait for the new ones to dramticly reduce their prices.

    I think that is why WiiU, Vita, and 3DS are having(or had, 3DS) post launch struggles. People are happy with what they have, and upgrading is too pricy.

    #35 1 year ago
  36. Cobra951

    @35: You can buy something like a Roku box for, what, $60? No one is going to buy a $300 console just to watch Netflix. They buy them because they can play their games, listen to music, and yes, watch video. But the key selling point is the gaming, not the media. I don’t care what the stats say. Take away compelling gaming, and expensive consoles fall flat, even if they become the best media boxes in creation.

    #36 1 year ago
  37. OlderGamer

    Very few people buy Roku boxes either. They aren’t sold in stores. Most people wouldn’t even know what one is.

    “I don’t care what the stats say.”

    Well ‘Nuff said I guess.

    If you do look at the stats more users put more hours on Netflix and other such apps then on games collectivly.

    #37 1 year ago
  38. foxmulder555

    As a nintendo fan I think patch is right this time, its looking like the cube again, it had mario sunshine,kart,2 zeldas,Metroids and it bombed! I think they they misjudged the market and what it wanted, theyve priced themselves out of casual,theyve marketed it wrong, no games of any real interest on the horizon bar Zelda remake,No HD up conversatiom, controllers priced 100+euro , from what I read shabby on-line service, no purchasing games after 11pm …In all fairness it just reads like a disaster story.

    I dont see them pulling back the hardcore now at this stage and it must be damage limitation at this stage. I can see Mr Iwata gone by the end of the year (resigned) ,price drops dont really wont have any significant impact against ps4/720 and only the 3ds keeping them above board at this stage. I would hedge my bets on a new CEO cutting the WIIu and making a drastic decision which may lead to new hardware in 3 years

    #38 1 year ago
  39. Cobra951

    @37: My point is that the stats say nothing about why people buy stuff, only what they end up doing with it. I’m not questioning their validity, but rather their (lack of) use to predict future sales of new hardware. Why would you spend hundreds of dollars or pounds on something when you can serve your needs for a fraction of that? People may not know about Roku, but that was only one example. There are many ways to deliver Netflix to your living room, sometimes even the TV itself.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. Fin

    Pachter’s on the ball again.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. Gekidami

    “its looking like the cube again, it had mario sunshine,kart,2 zeldas,Metroids and it bombed!”

    The “One game and its saved!” people should take note of this. Sorry to break it to you but Nintendo arent going to turn this around with 3 or 4 games. As i’ve already said, they’ll spike sales, sure, but they’ll fall right back down later.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. Clupula

    I think the only way Nintendo can recover from this is if they’ve been working on competition for the PS4/720 this entire time. If they can release a new console that can play with the big boys in the next year or two, then they have a chance of staying in competition. The Wii U is the system Nintendo should have released about two years ago, not now, when it’s outdated and silly.

    I normally disagree with Patcher on just about everything, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Nintendo, I think, could absolutely thrive as a third party publisher, though. A PS4/720 Zelda Collection or new Mario game would sell even among people who aren’t diehard Nintendo fans, just so they could see what the fuss has been about.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. Clupula

    Also, I’d take Nintendo opinions from someone named Bomba Luigi about as seriously as I’d take Sony opinions from NathanKratos4Ever or Microsoft opinions from MasterChief360. I mean, of course, you’re going to say it won’t fail. You’d need a whole new screenname if it did.

    #43 1 year ago
  44. silkvg247

    @41 Sunshine wasn’t a true mario game, zelda and metroid came too late. If they’d bundled Zelda with it at launch it would have flown outta the door.

    Also I loved the ‘cube. :)

    #44 1 year ago
  45. foxmulder555

    @41 and it looks like there gonna be just as late this time :(

    #45 1 year ago
  46. Cobra951

    @41: The Gamecube bombed? That’s news to me (and to Nintendo as well). Not a raging success, to be sure. It still sold enough to keep them going into the Wii. Plus no game collection is complete without the titles you mentioned. You can also play them on a (fully featured) Wii, which is what I do these days. One less gadget to hook up.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. Gekidami

    @44
    …What? Both Metroid Prime & WindWaker came out within the consoles second year. By that logic the Wii U has already missed the window, so i guess its already a confirmed, unsaveable with games failure.

    Next you’ll be saying SSB Melee was “too late” to save the NGC.

    #47 1 year ago
  48. mistermogul

    @38 – “no purchasing games after 11pm”

    It’s worse than that old boy. You can’t purchase adult games UNTIL 11pm!

    11pm – 3am to be precise (I think?)

    #48 1 year ago
  49. Clupula

    Are people actually revising history that much that they’re saying the Gamecube didn’t bomb? What’s next? Saying the Saturn was a raging success?

    #49 1 year ago
  50. Clupula

    “The Virtual Boy swept the industry on a wave of good feelings and high sales!”

    #50 1 year ago
  51. Clupula

    “The Atari Jaguar and 3DO blew everybody away! You couldn’t keep them on the shelves, the sales were so high!”

    #51 1 year ago
  52. manamana

    I pull off a pachter and predict by this time in a year they will have the software to keep them alive.

    #52 1 year ago
  53. theevilaires

    @31 I’m not talking about sales, sales mean shit….look at wii sports…need I say more?!

    “Fact” is no one has better 1st party titles than SONY…NO ONE! Thats what I meant about mega hits. Talking in term of great quality. SONY has way more 1st party franchises than Nintendo that are AAA grade.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. livewired500

    I think Patcher likes to say this crap so he can short the stocks because investors won’t know how much he is full of shit 95% of the time.

    He could be right, or wrong? Doesn’t matter. He should have lost all respect in the gaming community by now.

    #54 1 year ago
  55. reask

    What about the gamers Ninty disregarded with the wii?
    My first real venture into gaming was ps2.

    When I decided to go next gen it was a toss up between 360 and wii.
    Luckily for me I opted for 360.
    So what,s my point you may ask.

    I like games like gears,uncharted,halo,cod,killzone,fear etc etc.
    I like shooters for the most part and adult looking shooters with decent on line play to boot.

    Where are those type of games on the wii in any real quantity?
    Nintendo seemed happy enough to disregard that type of gamer with the wii whilst it was selling gazzillions.

    I remember been out at my local store at the time and the wii was been advertised with cod 3 on the billboard and I was really tempted.

    I know folks say there are plenty of gems on the wii and I aint going to try and claim otherwise but when I eventually got one for my daughter I think I played 1 game on it which was mario kart racing or something like that.

    Way too kiddy for me and it eventually got traded in by my daughter for her own 360.

    Say what you want and I at the time knew very little about gaming companies except that PS was the man and MS had this thing called xbox on the market which some people claimed it was better than ps2 but it didnt seem to sell a lot.

    For that reason I would not get a wiiu as I expect to be catered for so you have to wonder how many more millions that bought the wii feel the same.

    Best of luck to Nintendo but I know atm anyway I would have no intention of making the same mistake I nearly made first time out.

    Psst…………
    It,s all about the games Ninty.

    #55 1 year ago
  56. kaffikjelen

    Wii U sales might pick up come autumn, when some new titles have been released, though it’s hard to tell given that PS4 and X720 probably release then. I hope Nintendo make it through fine, as they can act as a nice counter-balance to Sony and Microsoft.

    #56 1 year ago
  57. Sini

    the fastest nintendo becomes a third party in console space the better for everyone, nintendo including

    #57 1 year ago
  58. nhowell14

    #54 No doubt, It’d be a truly nice change of pace for him if he actually provided some statistical assumptions and not just what he thinks personally.

    And I’m sorry, but its freaking Nintendo. The Wii U may not be the Wii-level hit as Nintendo wants it to be, but it will most def do better than the GC. Everyone knows as soon as this new Zelda and 3D Mario come out, there wont be enough to go around.

    Correct me if I’m mistaken, but wasn’t the 3DS a “flop” as well? Look at it now, and willing to bet my whiskers that as soon as Poke=man X and Y are released, the smartphone/tablet threat won’t be so drastic. Not to mention, people are probably getting quite tired of phones and tablets. It’ll be wearable computing next. Just you watch.

    #58 1 year ago
  59. The_Red

    Why are people comparing Wii U to DreamCast?

    DC was nothing like Wii U for it’s time. It had a much more advanced hardware compared to rivals (N64, PS1) which meant its games looked a lot better. DC was also ahead of the curve with an online system and semi-MMO games, something that rivals at the time didn’t have (Again, N64 and PS1, not the next-gen systems like PS2 and Xbox). Wii U does not have the semi-generational leap in graphics and by no means is ahead in terms of online.

    That being said, I don’t think it’s gonna be that fatal for Nintnedo. Sega had been failing with 32bit, CD and Saturn before DC sealed the deal.

    #59 1 year ago
  60. dreamcastnews

    Dreamcast was a competitor for PS2, GameCube and Xbox. They are all 128bit systems with not an amazing amount in the capability differences.. The Wii U isn’t the ‘Nintendo Dreamcast’ there is a wider gap between PS4, Xbox and Wii U (or so they say)

    We aren’t even close to seeing what any of these machines can do, I’m not sure what radical changes you all expect from these new machines.

    Nintendo are fine.

    Get over it.

    #60 1 year ago
  61. fearmonkey

    Nintendo’s Biggest mistake was launching with a multitude of titles and no major Killer app, like a mario 64, Zelda, smash bros, etc. They released a large selection of games, some that had already been out on other consoles, but nothing made me go out and buy one.

    I was completely set to get a wii-u last year, but the launch line up was meh. If they could have a mario or Zelda title that looked and played amazing to go against Sony or MS, and both of them have meh titles at launch, then Nintendo can do well. If MS or Sony have a killer app or some amazing titles at launch then Nintendo could be in trouble.

    #61 1 year ago
  62. Fin

    Nintendo main mistake wasn’t lack of a killer app, or lack of first party games, or even the lack of quality third party games at the moment.

    It’s the hardware.

    The Wii succeeded because it was easy and accessible just as casual gaming exploded. The core went and bought PS3 and 360, those who bought a Wii certainly didn’t use it as their main console.
    So now the casual audience has moved to mobile and Facebook. They won’t buy the Wii U in the same numbers, that leaves the core audience.
    Unfortunately the difference in power between Wii U and the true next-gen consoles is going to be so huge (the same as the difference between Wii and PS360), third parties simply won’t do primary development on Wii U once PS4/720 arrive (what’s the point developing for a single system when you can develop for two core machines + PC at the same time, for the same cost) – it’ll be left to B-teams and ports, as the Wii was. The core will pick up a PS4/720 as before, only this time, Nintendo won’t have the casual audience to pick up the slack.
    They’ve neglected the outright power arms race, and despite what they (and others) say, graphics and power do matter. Without power (close-to) parity between systems, the Wii U will get left behind.

    It’s not going to outright kill Nintendo, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this was the last generation we see Nintendo console hardware.

    #62 1 year ago
  63. foxmulder555

    @60 I think weve seen all the wiiu can do , perhaps there is a little extra under the hood compared to ps3 /360 but it will be of little use compared to the 8 core beasts around the corner I’m afraid. Im sure there own titles will look superb but I doubt when Zelda hits probably xmas 2015 it will stand up against uncharted 4 or 5 or what ever it maybe

    #63 1 year ago
  64. dreamcastnews

    @64 It won’t concern me too much, if the PS4 is £300, I’ll have one of those too, I’m all about the games and not the system, I’m just disappointed that most users here are more about the system.

    The Nintendo ranting seems real silly, I think it’s well documented that most of the mainstays here wouldn’t touch another Nintendo product but they just go on and on and on about it. I think we all get it.

    #64 1 year ago
  65. Clupula

    @64 – The Nintendo ranting seems real silly, I think it’s well documented that most of the mainstays here wouldn’t touch another Nintendo product but they just go on and on and on about it. I think we all get it.

    No, if Nintendo had created an actual next-gen system, I would have definitely been checking it out. As it is, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem has me interested. But the system would need another 18 great exclusives before I’d give it a go and I don’t see that happening.

    As it is, whenever they do become a third party publisher, I’ll probably check out whatever Zelda title they bring to PS4.

    #65 1 year ago
  66. dreamcastnews

    I can assure you they’d sooner make games for mobile phones.

    I think the core of it is that most of you wouldn’t buy a Nintendo format, no matter how powerful it was.

    When did this become about graphics over gameplay anyway? Didn’t Sega try that shit in the 90′s with the Mega CD and the people voted with their wallets and bought the Megadrive because the gameplay was there not the aesthetics.

    #66 1 year ago
  67. Fin

    @66

    Gameplay and graphics aren’t mutually exclusive any more.
    It only became an issue with Wii as the console playing field had been fairly level up until that point – the same thing would’ve happened if the N64 hadn’t been 3D, or whatever.

    Show someone the same game twice, once in HD, once in SD (or, these days, once on cur-gen, once on next-gen), guess which they’ll chose?

    #67 1 year ago
  68. manamana

    I’m buying it next to the PS4 once the good titles are out. Same goes for the next xbox. Only games can cater me. Don’t need any of the film/video/music/webbrowser stuff on modern consoles.

    #68 1 year ago
  69. theevilaires

    Awesome post there Reask. I felt the same way just like many others. Nintendo you need to create new IP’s and get mature with it. I feel like SONY has been the only console that has aged along with me game wise (Crash-Jak-Drake). While Nintendo is still at that 10-12 year old level.

    #69 1 year ago
  70. Moonwalker1982

    I don’t usually take Pachter very serious, but i DO see that this is very plausible, which is sad. I don’t want to see Nintendo leaving. But i honestly can’t say i’m too happy and excited about anything for the Wii U really. I find it a very bad move to come with current-gen technology when the competition are basically ready to move into new and further technology.

    However, graphics are not everything. If they can blow us away with some great titles at E3 it should be fine. I am always excited about a new 3D Mario game, hopefully Mario Kart can become interesting and FUN again, Smash Bros should be great and of course the new Zelda will always be nice. But what i want to see is new exclusives from both Ninty and third party. It’s definitely not over for Nintendo yet, and maybe it won’t at all.

    #70 1 year ago
  71. Telepathic.Geometry

    I don’t think Ninty will fall out of the hardware business THAT easily. And I also think that if we have learned one thing over the years it’s that love them or hate them, you can never count Ninty out.

    That said, the business is much more troubled and in greater flux now than it ever was before, so I think Ninty is really feeling it now. I’m sure the higher ups are shitting their pants. Maybe a scared Ninty is a good Ninty for the gamers…

    Bottom line though is, a games industry without Ninty’s imagination, invention and occasional ballsy moves would be a very sad place. Even if they go third party, I would hope that they end up saddled with someone who recognises that those guys really know games.

    #71 1 year ago
  72. ManuOtaku

    I think the main reasons are price and games more than power, all the previous generations prove that power alone is not a factor anymore and i think this will be the case in future generations, is a combination of a lot of things.

    The wii had one advantage this gen, it didnt required a new tv set in order to play games, keep in mind the hdtv rate adoption really took a hughe percent of the market in 2010 and beyond, alongside with the increase in the adoption rate of the HD consoles, but prior this the wii was with a very low price in itself, without the extra added TV cost, this combine with the new way of play put the wii on a good value level, from a gamers perspective, of course.

    This is something the Wiiu doenst have, both new consoles from their competitors do not require any additional equipment like this gen with the tv sets, in fact is quite the opposite hardcore gamers will need to buy the pro controller, which is a more core controller than the tablet gamepad, for the rest is the same as the wii was, great bundle game that demostrated the capabilities of the console, a new way of gaming, etc, i think both are pretty much the same philosophy, with the exception of the price, i believe with a price cut and strong nintendo games it will fare better, better than the gamecube, but not as well as the wii, i think it will be like the N64.
    p.s and also please bundle the pro controller free boxed in every new WiiU and it will do better

    #72 1 year ago
  73. Jogo

    Pachter clarifies his statement:

    My comment about the Wii U being a “mistake” from which the company “may not recover” was intended to say that if Wii U sales don’t materially improve, Nintendo is unlikely to be profitable. They have around ¥1 trillion (around $11 billion) in cash, so they aren’t in danger of going out of business for decades.

    Than on page 14:

    I don’t think Nintendo is going bankrupt, ever.

    Source:
    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47894562#post47894562

    #73 1 year ago
  74. taylorlauder

    I predict no one from the gaming community will miss pachter when he’s dead 50 years from now.

    #74 1 year ago
  75. Joe_Gamer

    God I hate this fucking guy, he’s a financial analysts who doesn’t give two shits about gaming. He uses his position to trash Nintendo because IT BENEFITS HIM FINANCIALLY for Nintendo to do badly. His shitty “advice” and commentary is based solely on what benefits him and his clients the most.

    #75 1 year ago

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